Movin' On - What if LaRose Doesn't Sign?
by Bob Wage on Jul 8, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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A good General Manager always has a plan B if the best laid plans don't work out. If Chad LaRose gets a huge payout in arbitration that the Canes refuse to match and he moves on down the road, who else might be on Jim Rutherford's radar screen that probably would meet the GM's salary criteria and who has had similar stats and skills?
Here are a couple of players still available who might fit in the 4rth line and would probably sign for 4rth line money.
- Kevyn Adams
- Randy Robitaille
Each of these players brings something unique and would be a nice addition if Rosie isn't available.
Jim Rutherford has admitted that LaRose is asking for 3rd line money, and might just deserve it. Regardless, the Canes don't have it in their budget and already have their top three lines intact. It's been reported that the Canes budget for 2008-09 is about where it started out like last year, 45-46 million.
Some fans might be asking themselves where the 10% increase charged for season tickets during the coming season will be going. It would seem to make sense that the budget would be increased by a similar percentage, which would put salary totals closer to 50 million.
Instead, the Canes seem satisfied with keeping the budget closer to the league minimum of 40.6 million.
Chad LaRose is an extremely popular player and losing him as well as Erik Cole in the same season probably won't help to sell more of those higher priced tickets.
But winning will cure all ills.
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Quick look around the NHL-
The Tampa Bay Lightning continue to make moves and signed Mark Recchi to a contract last night. Those new guys continue to shake and bake and are anything but boring and predictable.
While the Dan Boyle trade was something of a fiasco because of the way they finagled their way out of the defenseman's no trade clause, I think the trade was a benefit to the Lightning and the team will be tougher next season because of it.
After signing Gary Roberts, Ryan Malone, Radim Vrbata, and Vaclav Prospal to contracts previously, Recchi will fit in as another question mark who is just as likely to have a great year as lay an egg. Whether good or bad, one can only wonder what the Tampa owners will do next.
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After the first Winter Classic on January 1st, I posted an article discussing the dream of holding a classic in Raleigh, (although apparently it would be a nightmare for some). I also hypothesized about future Winter Classics in other venues.
It seems like at least one of my crazy suggested locations will come to fruition. It's been reported that the next classic will be played between the Detroit Red Wings and Chicago Blackhawks at Wrigley Field.
No doubt it will be a sell-out and it should be a highly rated affair on television as well. Let's just hope the NHL bigwigs don't figure out a way to mess this "Winter Classic" thing up.
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The war of words between feuding GM's Kevin Lowe and Brian Burke has certainly been highly amusing and entertaining. Burke blames Lowe for escalating salaries, especially related to RFA's, while Lowe has called Burke a media whore as well as a moron.
Is it possible for both of them to be right?
Gary Bettman recently stepped in to put an end to the nonsense.
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Skating shadow Todd Bertuzzi just found a new home. After being bought out and kicked to the curb by best buddy Brian Burke, Calgary GM Darryl Sutter is taking a chance on the unpopular forward.
How unpopular is he? Puck Daddy has a nicely researched article with at least one Calgary site denouncing the addition.
Will Bertuzzi be booed by the home team ?
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Next up is the Hurricanes prospect camp preview.
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I’ll grant you that losing Erik Cole might have a slight influence upon ticket sales, but I doubt very much that anyone cancels their season tickets because of a Chad LaRose walk-away. I doubt even more that any prospective STH will let the LaRose arbitration hearing predicate whether they make the plunge.
I think the Canes are gonna acquire a fourth line guy and shed some salary when they deal Kaberle. And I do think that’s a when rather than an if.
by dlee on Jul 8, 2008 2:32 AM EDT reply actions
I didn’t say that anyone would cancel their season ticket holder package over the LaRose decision. I simply said that the combination of losing both of the most popular players on the team “probably wouldn’t help” to sell any additional.
by Bubba on Jul 8, 2008 9:58 AM EDT reply actions
if we get Kevyn Adams again will he be a alternite
by canescup on Jul 8, 2008 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
if we lose Chad LaRose what draft pick do you think we will get
by canescup on Jul 8, 2008 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
canescup If we walk away from the arbitration award I think he becomes UFA, right?
by wylde4canes on Jul 8, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
canescup-
I doubt Adams will be back, I just used him as an example in case LaRose isn’t signed. If he did come back, I don’t think there is any way he would get an “A”.
If LaRose isn’t signed at this point, the Canes would not get a pick. Filing for arbitration prohibits other teams from submitting offer sheets. WFC is correct. If Carolina walks away from the arbitration award, he becomes unrestricted, free to deal with any team he wants to.
You asked yesterday which other teams might be interested? I really have no idea on that one. Could be anybody.
by Bubba on Jul 8, 2008 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
what imeant about larose is what other teams would he be a good fit
by canescup on Jul 8, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
Can the team walk away from the arbitration award and still sign him when no one else gives him the money he wants?
by Douchebag St John on Jul 8, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
Bubba,
About any team in our division or others would be interested…
Depending on the price.
Remember Tannabe.
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by Paladin6 on Jul 8, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
I think he would actually work out really well with the Tampa Bay Hurricanes. He already has such great chemistry with all of their roster!
I keed I keed!
I think he would be a great on an offensivley challenged team where he could see more ice time. Rosie could turn into a secondary scorer with the right ice time. Emphasis on could.
by wylde4canes on Jul 8, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
RE:
The soon to be annual outdoor game. Anyone have a breakdown of the teams that just can’t pull it off?
Atlanta, the Florida teams, Phoenix, LA, SJ, probably us.
Be real hard to have NHL level ice outdoors here on some years. Others maybe.
Anyone?
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by Paladin6 on Jul 8, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
Anaheim and Nash-Vegas would be pretty iffy.
by wylde4canes on Jul 8, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
The increase in ticket prices + the cost of gas (I live in Wilmington) is what will keep me away from games next season. I don’t care who is on the team, as long as they are winning! I just want to see a good team playing good hockey.
by John on Jul 8, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
canescup-
I think any team who didn’t make the playoffs would be interested, but they would be interested in paying as little as possible.
Douch-
I can’t find anything that says the former team can not sign him, so since he is technically a UFA free to sign with anyone, I’m going to say that he could sign with the Canes afterwards at a lower price.
by Bubba on Jul 8, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
Winter Classic in the second city vs. the Red Wings will work as long as the…. “somebody bring back Stan Mikita” Blackhawks get some sorely needed exposure.
Regarding the Lowe v Burke issue I have to say that I found Lowe’s remarks a long time coming as Burke has been popping off for some time without so much as a word from Lowe….until last week and now it’s a surprise!! Gimme a break. Lowe let Burke hold it and all I can add to this rivalry is when do the Oilers play the Ducks?! Nothing like some bad blood to make for good gamesmanship.
What happens if Chad LaRose won’t get picked up after the salary arbitrators are done? Well after my last posts with Bubba on this-I agree there are way too many unknowns for us to share anything further on the issue. We can only speculate so I will (pardon my indulgence) possibly LaRose has got $$ fever and wants 1 to 1.5 million a season, maybe he wants a 3+ year deal too early, or both, and finally LaRose really has fallen off the priority list for JR and another small pesky forward is just a Ryan Bayda away. In any event if he gets another offer from elsewhere I say bag a draft pick or two.
by Eman on Jul 8, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
Bubba,
I will second, not confirm.
I believe that he is a UFA at the end of arb. He does come out with a price that the “powers that be” feel he is worth. Bummer is that only a team will decides what he is worth.
Again the Tannabe example.
I think he would of been FAR more valuable is the team treated him as such. I think his “paper” value will be above what his agent will command.
The bitch is the kid fit, he faught for the team, he bled for us.
I look at this with eyes open. It is what it is.
If wore the pants, I would of diff. I think he earned it and as a statement of “my” team I would of respected it.
Not unlike Cole. Was an ugly choice, but was in the interest of the team. I still don’t get this..
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by Paladin6 on Jul 8, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions
I would think that some of that 10 percent increase in ticket prices would go towards stopping the millions of dollars in loses that Karmanos claims the team is bleeding.
by repenttokyo on Jul 8, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
Not a claim. Nor is his vision the cure. He’s ina bad spot.Some peoplpe make good choices in a bad spot others don’t.
We’ll see where this leads us.
BTW, “some of that 10%” may go into his pockets, but it ain’t in ours and in all honesty, it’s ours that counts. His pockets are fine, it’s all about how much of ours is at stake.
with the 10% sodomy, just pick the games you want to be at. Don’t pay for more. As season tickets sales decline, the worse the situation is. We have a voice and they ain’t hearing.
I like the team, I think we deserve and could have better.
I dare Ron and Rod to be asked.
For the piss ant budget, we have a great roster.
For a contender team, well……
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by Paladin6 on Jul 8, 2008 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
how can you say that our pockets matter more than his when he is losing millions per season?
by repenttokyo on Jul 9, 2008 9:27 AM EDT reply actions
Owners can be replaced. A fan base cannot. We quit going, his pockets will dry up and it’s over. Look at the Pens, the fans kept coming, the team is still going. The Ducks are doing OK with some owner issues. It’s all about the fans. Our pockets are far more important.
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by Paladin6 on Jul 9, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
I guess we will agree to disagree.
People complain about the costs of going to games because of fuel costs rising – but what about the travel costs of the team? That comes out of the owner’s pocket. Those have skyrocketed, as have many of the other costs associated with running a franchise. In inflationary times, prices go up for almost everything. The NHL does not operate in a vacuum.
by repenttokyo on Jul 9, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
P,
As I remember the Pens were playing to mostly empty house for many years until they drafted Sidney Crosby. This team was a good a moved until Mario stepped in and saved the day.
by Swenk on Jul 9, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
If playing to an empty house meant moving, then how come the Florida Panthers, Islanders or Red Wings haven’t been moved.
We’ve covered this ground already ;)
I’m just saying, people are quick to think of their own pocketbooks, but slow to realize that other people’s costs have risen as well.
by repenttokyo on Jul 9, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
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