More On Sutter

This makes me so sad…

This is typical of a midgrade concussion. Unfortunately, I have suffered 3 in my life they get worse and worse. The second time this happened to me, I remember asking everyone in the hospital what happened. I must have asked 50 times. It took 2 weeks just to get my memory of the accident back. Brain traumas are very scary for the victim and his family.

No excuse for this stuff. Hockey needs to address it or they will lose fans….including this one.

1) Sorry, it was a clean hit. We are not Isles/Weight fans nor a Canes fan so we believe we’re objective when we say the incident is Sutter’s fault for allowing himself to get into a vulnerable position.
2) “Keep your head up” is a old time hockey motto for a reason! We don’t need additonal rules to legistlate out hard hitting/body contact. Clearly this was NOT a head hunting incident. Its regretable Sutter was injured, but hopefully he and other young players will learn from this.

Not to start any fights, but isn’t the fact that you have to use the term “hopefully” an indictment of your reasoning? Weight did exactly what he wanted to do. This was his desire. It was legal. And we’re using the term “hopefully”? How is that okay? These are not the same players from thirty years ago. These aren’t even the same players from ten years ago. “Keep your head up” is no longer enough.

Interesting comments from Sutter’s dad.

“Sutter reiterated that he was uncomfortable talking about the hit because it would be viewed as a father talking about his son being injured, but said, "I know firsthand a check like that wouldn’t have happened 20 years ago because you know what the consequences would have been.”

Doesn’t sound like he is absolving Weight from all sin.

I read these comments regarding Sutter getting his bell rung and I’m at a loss looking at either side of this…you know the “keep your head up folks” vs. the “Sure, it’s a clean hit and hockey needs to do something about these type of hits” people. I see the end to all of this being unresolved. No matter which argument you side with this kind of contact is a part of the game. Sure the NHL can attempt to regulate this and they may try. Zero tolerance to any direct attempt at striking a player to the head during a check; but it’s not going to eliminate hits like Weight threw Saturday.
The NHLPA can also get into the act but these are professional athletes and I say good luck trying to tell Doug Weight, Brandon Sutter, or Alex Ovechkin to not go so hard at the puck and oh yeah, back off a bit on rolling pucks when you’re on D!!! Not a chance this will happen.
I feel awful about how this particular hit happened….while watching Brandon get hit I thought for sure that his career was over due to serious neck injury. His head snapped back in a horrific manner. Then you see Doug Weight in front of the Isle’s bench and I don’t care who you are, he appeared to be concerned to a point. While the media hasn’t posted anything to my knowledge I’ll wager that he didn’t go Brooks Oprik …OOPS… I mean Orpik!! By not calling Sutter to express his concerns-thoughts on the incident.
So to what result will we see on this. Not much I’ll bet and I’ll again refer to the Brooks Orpik example; after severely injuring Erik Cole the NHL gave Orpik a minor suspension (3 games if memory serves) which I felt was a slap in the Caniac Nation face. I have always felt that hit was a cheap shot.
So Weight’s hit was truly nasty and the officials say it was clean. OK that’s fine, as again it’s part of the game. No less than the part where each of these players have to make split seconds decisions in an extremely fast game. Being a run down player and eternal fan I can only hope that there is still some of the old school code that players will look out for one another and try to do the right thing.

here’s the scariest part: he had a concussion and was allowed to go to sleep.

Haven’t written since me and sugar pants tangled over on the forum.

I think there are two sides to this deal. Looks like they have been rather well hashed out.

Lemme try another avenue.

I loved when Dougie and the wreckin’ ball came in on the cup run. Never did and stil don’t really like Rech’s. Dougie I always thought was a class act.

I defy anyone to look at the hit and do it in slow-mo. You can’t deny he did his utmost to crush the kid. Legal and clean, had a bead on the little sucker from the other side of the ice and delivered a hit only a skilled guy can.

That’s the God’s honest truth.

Dougie has the ability to pull up or soften the blow right up to the point of contact. He may be getting old but tightening a shoulder and flexing the the whole upper body into a hit like that takes a small amount of time. At any point in that time line he could of gone soft.

I didn’t see the guy I have watched for along time. I saw mean hit. He has the exper. and skill and the history not to do that. He could of splattered him in alot of diff. ways with the angle speed and position and he he took the death hit.

Dougie made a bad choice and made a bad hit. Legal is meaningless. It puts him in a class of players that he didn’t belong in. I hope this doesn’t define his remaining time in the NHL, but he just made a defining play and I think there will be some serious issues made of it.

As I have always whined about, Lavi is a piece of crap and should be drawn and quartered. I don’t care if God, Jesus, Gretzky or anything or anyone was out there. That hit needed to be answered with a team asskicking. Any real hockey person would give up the 2 points in the game to pack 8 guys in the box and score a hundred stiches on the opponents. Lavi again, let’s a fine team mate go down.

I really had a bad gut feeling about this guy, but, I think I get where the islanders were coming from when they put a twist tie around his neck and canned him.

Cullen was one of the more gifted guys we had. He got his mellon mushed. That dude never lost a drop of blood on our ice. Orpick hasn’t either. This cutsie little “style” Lavi thinks he has going is getting our players killed. You have to have balance. Look at the team the last couple years, no balance.

I’m not saying tomahawk dougie, but I think Sutters old man has it right. If this team had a serious leader, screw the penalty, we get some flesh.

I looked at the team and was disgusted. Dougie probably was one of the more concerned people. WTF? Rod, Staal, someone should of gone over and puncuated the issue. Walker is out and it was for that reason.

It looks like he’s the only one with enough stones to say screw Lavi, nobody does that to MY team mate.

I have really lost alot of respect for the ’Canes.

Lost alot of respect for Dougie, too.

I hope Sutter is going to be alright, but this is one of those game changers.

I have never seen a team more poorly coached and managed since the cup run.

I still have respect for JR and PK, but they better do something to protect the assets or this is a waste of time, money and players.

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The look of concern on Weight’s face was “oh crap I hope I don’t get suspended for this” look. Please don’t characterize it with a look of concern for Sutter’s well being. His explanation was his justification of telling the hockey world he did no wrong—-there was no remorse there, just self pity. He saw Sutter’s head go down and told himself “I can take this dude out since he has his head down, here goes nothing Cane” slam-bam. No he didn’t care who the player was he just wanted to look like a bad*ss as an older player to his team and coach, he acomplished just that in a different meaning. It’s ironic that I respected him at the intermission with his speech above loving this team and at the end of the game he could eat crap for all I cared.

I think Lavi should give a public apology to Sutter, this team and it’s fans for wussing out of what he should have done. Of course he’s writing the same justification, poor me, I did what I had to do to win speech as Weight. They right now in my book are in the same highway to—-me.

Paladin and Caron, I disagree slightly with you guys.

Screw the 2 points is a tough pill to swallow when you look at the narrow margin that has kept us out of the playoffs the last 2 years. I think the right answer would have been to tell the boys, if it moves, hit it. Brookbank and Lacouture throwing bombs is not the answer. The answer should have been Gleason following Ruutu’s example and laying some folks down. Like I said in the other thread piggy backing off of Marc’s comments, We need a Milan Lucic. No way weight finishes that check knowing Lucic will have him tee’d up in his next shift.

Wow, those comments are all great. I tend to listen closely to the players. Eric Staal was right there. He said it, in essence, was a cheap shot. I was really proud of Eric for standing up for his guy. He was not swayed by the Cup stuff. A cheap hit is a cheap hit. Weight was not concerned for Brandon Sutter….he did not win the cup with him. The league thinks that they can use intimidation and head banging to slow the Canes down. The rule will not likely be changed. We are left with self enforcement. Bring George Laroque or some other big big guy and I guarantee that hit will not happen. Ok, if the rules allow that type of hit, then lets get someone to take care of business. If the league won’t do anything, the team has no choice but to add a big bruiser to protect its interests. There are millions of dollars and the long term health concerns of people at issue.

No action by the league, OOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKK bring in the beef.

Anyone think dougie gets an asskicking in Jersey? Brent was pretty pissed off and has a beef. Since our coach is gutless, maybe the kids dad will get a little flesh.

I just can’t even put into words how crappy and wimpy the team looked after the hit. It was a betrayal of worst kind. Now if any of the ‘Canes would of gone and pounded dougie or make it fun and go pound the hell out of depietro see what they think about losing assets. I think you could say there was team unity. I’m thinking the habs are going to sodomize the guys tonight. I think the whole team is in dissarray and this event was a capper. I wouldn’t stick my neck out on a play for this team.

Would you?

I hope the ol’ man says hello with a couple of the hulks the devils got. I might even start rooting for the devils…

nah, doubt that. I do like Brent Sutter as a coach. Wouldn’t want him as a neighbor, but, I’d hire him.

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