Nagging Injuries Mount for Carolina
Erik Cole has missed five of seven games. Joni Pitkanen has also missed five. There is little doubt that the absence of those two players has adversely affected the scoring output of the Carolina Hurricanes. And the lack of scoring is a concern.
The Canes have already been shutout twice this young season, while they were only shutout once in 82 games last year. They have only scored more than two goals in one game of seven so far, and that was against a Florida team coming off a week's break after two games in Europe.
It seems that Pitkanen has returned to the fold, (although he missed practice Sunday), and the powerplay should start to improve now that he can help to quarterback it. But leading goal scorer and face of the franchise, Eric Staal has missed several practices in a row and there is little doubt that some type of injury is affecting his play. How bad is the injury? No one is saying.
Needless to say, Eric Staal is important to the success of the Carolina franchise. As he goes, the team goes. The Hurricanes were 22-3-2 last year when he scored a goal and 23-27-5 when he didn't.
While he could definitely be doing better, it does not seem that playing an injured Staal is necessarily hurting the club. The center has had some of the team's best scoring chances in the last two games, but he has not been able to finish them. He just has two goals and two points so far this season, but he did just score a goal in Tampa Bay three games ago, so he is not riding a prolonged scoreless streak.
The coaching staff probably feels that Eric Staal at 70% is a better than any other option they have right now. But is it better for the player or for the team in the long run to keep playing him at 70 or 80%?
Would Staal be more effective later if he took a couple of games off and came back refreshed? Does he keep re-aggravating his injury every game while pushing himself, playing at less than 100%? The rumor mill says that he has a groin issue and a groin injury can be a nagging problem for a prolonged period of time if it does not get enough rest. The Canes have been resting him during practices, but he is still playing about 20 minutes a night in games.
There is no questioning his heart and mental toughness. He has played in 343 consecutive regular season games, the longest, or second longest active streak in the NHL. Just recently, he had 20-30 stitches in his ear after he took a puck to the side of his head and still came back to finish a game which was already out of hand in Boston.
But should this be like a Brind'Amour situation where he is told to take a night or two off?
Another thing to keep in mind, if you do bench Staal, who plays in his place? Michael Ryan has been injured and was recently placed on the Injured Reserve. Probably the best option would be to recall Brandon Sutter.
A reader posed the question to me yesterday, should Staal still be playing at less than 100%? My honest answer is that I don't have enough information about the nature of the injury to make a judgement. Bottom line, I think we have to trust the coaching staff, trainers, and the player himself to make the proper decision.
But what do you think? I believe fans have a variety of opinions about this so I will create a poll and see what the majority has to say. If you do not see your exact opinion listed as an option on the poll, feel free to leave your opinion in the comments.
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Yes he should play
If he can skate let him play, other teams see him as a threat and sometimes double up on him. Even if you have to prop him up in the corner like a scarecrow, that way other teams will keep an eye on him. Just like a scarecrow you never know when they’ll come to life (and maybe score a goal).
by canescup on Oct 19, 2009 7:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Disagree as I think that scarecrow.....
is stuck upon their perch. Sit Stall until he’s better. Playing hurt is a good to do the following:
1: Hinder your team
2: Hurt yourself even more
3: Be “sub-optimal” for an even longer time
4: Make your fans hate you
Staal needs to get better and get healed.
A conservative is someone who wants to get rid of all illegal immigrants,
Just as soon as those guys finish mowing his yard and building the shed
I just hate the Canes fans are soo quick to start bashing Staal. Does he have to have a 4 point night every night for everyone to appreciate him? And I think that playing over 300 consecutive games definitely make you a pussy, hands down.
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was that to me?
I don’t expect a 4 point night from anyone. I do think though that Staal is only hurting himself and his team if he really is hurt and he’s not able to play at even 90%
A conservative is someone who wants to get rid of all illegal immigrants,
Just as soon as those guys finish mowing his yard and building the shed
My bad. This was before my morning coffee lol
by DavioParker on Oct 19, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You already know my opinion on this one Bob (I like being the anonymous reader). And you make a good point about the severity of the injury having an impact on whether he sits or not. If it was something career threatening I feel pretty safe in assuming that the coaching staff would duct tape him to a chair in the press box before they would let him play. But on the flip side of that coin, if it is a groin issue, him pushing himself may make it more severe to the point that he can’t play when we need him the most.
I still say sit him until he’s better. If they do it to the mighty Brind’amour then why not to Staal?
I went with “trust the coaches et al”. But I can see the wisdom of Stall missing the trip to the Island, and joining the team in Colorado – 4 more days of rest and physical therapy might do wonders.
And it’s not a long trip from Albany to LI….(but I wish there was some other place for Brandon to re-appear remembering his last outing)
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions
Staal not Stall
is there some sort of spell-check over-ride that has both me and lcd spelling it Stall, not Staal. Must be too early to see clearly.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
I think it’s a subliminal message on our part.
So long as “Stall” is hurt and not playing well, he’s “Stalling” the teams chances.
Or I could just be a terrible spellar.
Or there’s truth to both.
A conservative is someone who wants to get rid of all illegal immigrants,
Just as soon as those guys finish mowing his yard and building the shed
I know CG
would like a venue that has “Brandon” showing up in some rural place with flowers.
;)
A conservative is someone who wants to get rid of all illegal immigrants,
Just as soon as those guys finish mowing his yard and building the shed
Actually, I doubt it.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Neutral my chickens feathers. Women are geneticly wired to destroy netrality…. I bet you have an opinion…
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Like I believe that....
Neutrality? Are you Swiss?
A conservative is someone who wants to get rid of all illegal immigrants,
Just as soon as those guys finish mowing his yard and building the shed
Hey how come he gets to post a pic, you didn’t tell me I could stalk yet!!!
A-dejected and probably degenerate
You can post it too. It’s my profile photo. ;) And now that you’ve said it, you have to wait even longer.
Hmmm…and here I was thinking it was safe to leave my black leather boots at home.
For the record, I’m kidding. :)
I thought we covered the “I’m kidding”?
Any chance of a pic of you in them thar boots???
I promise I won’t let LCD post it!!
;-)
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In a lecherous sort of way…
;-)
Man, ain’t squat for hockey on tonight, gonna have to see what’s on regular TV or maybe jam and go to bed early. Mondays suck.
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Right up there with boils, rashes and intestinal malfunctions.
“Just kidding”
Not really, no, none of the games really float my boat and I’m sure the one that seems even remotly good to watch will be on vs. and I don’t get it. Nope I am watching Ghost Whisperer/Bones and just tuned up my 6 string for the first times in about 6 months. Gonna fiddle with it some and then crash.
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I think that’s the ghost whisperer chick. Hey, she’s easy on the eyes, plays a good solid charecter (albeit super natural), has a good relationship with the hubby charecter (he’s too good to be true) and it always has a happy ending. Well at least the half dozen or so I have seen.
and yes I’m gonna look up the Hewit chick to see if it’s her.
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Yankess just got out of the 10th with the Angels having 1 out, bases loaded. Going to the 11th in LA
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees as in baseball – in case you were looking for alternative sports viewing. (Heck I’m sure Cole and Ward were watching – that’s hockey related isn’t it?)
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I’d better post something tomorrow so we can find something to talk about rather than Monday night with no hockey…..
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. What is she bad or something? A sabres fan? Hell I feel guilty liking the show. It ain’t no oscar winner and the plots are weak, but it’s kinda feel good as the endings I have seen are always happyish (dealing with dead folks it’s a fine line))
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No. As far as I know there isn’t anything wrong with her. I just knew for sure she was in the show. I’ve been told that she goes beyond “easy on the eyes” and is the main draw for the show.
Yea probably agree with that. It just has been a feel good thing here since I got TV. Haven’t had many happy endings the last couple years and this corny show kinda had some drama and finished off with good conquering evil. So in a round about way, I get a good vibe and she is pretty.b Got a crappy wardrobe though. Hey, I am what I am and like what I like. Sorry if I dissappoint. I kinda like Bones for the same reason, Bones and Booth always come true. Much stronger charecters and better stories. The series I LOVED was Firefly. I think it was about the best ever. I dunno, I spent a year off TV and I can’t stand watching the news anymmore and am looking for some mindless pulp.. It works for me when there ain’t hockey.
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What it’s Halloween some wicked hot chick talks to ghosts, I thought it was rather seasonal… Kind of a mushy thing to it, too. Bones is a forensics thing with a not as hot skeletal chick, but good cast.
Look man, I’ve been in the woods for a year now, most of it with no electric or water. I just got TV a few weeks ago for the hockey. I’m still learning what’s cool and what ain’t. Sorta figured the ghost thing was trendy.
I take it you are not a fan? If it helps I really have crappy taste, I like Bruce Lee movies and Clint Eastwood. Sci Fi is a reall favorite, so I’m really a geeky dork kind of guy.
Pissed away my shot at seeing the boots huh?
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Yup, pretty much as soon as you mentioned Ghost Whisperer. :) Although, Bones is a really good choice. They’ve actually incorporated quite a bit of hockey stuff into the more recent episodes, which I am all for.
Anyone notice how small this column just got?
Pretty crazy, huh?
I don’t know how to feel about Staal… I wish he would just show the hell up. Staal at 70% SHOULD BE better than most other players in the league….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Oct 19, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes me wonder if the injury is even worse than we think it is.
But then again, I always had an issue with Staal drifting in and out of games.
What injury? Did he seperate a clavical, does he have gas, maybe somejock itch??? I only partially agree with this squat for disclosure crap. Hell I dunno, still looking for that happy ending and jeezuz that so isn’t me….
I still say if the kids hurt, sit him out. I’d rather lose ten games than see him get a career ender. Shades of Tannabe. PK and JR may not be on board but pushing this kid is fine, but if he breaks no money in the world was worth it.
sorry a little emo, been playing guitar, but it’s true and how I feel. Kicking a dead horse is one thing, nursing a horse back to health is another.
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Dude no offence but you ain’t gettin it and didn’t. It’s not time frames, it’s frames of mind. You have to play the cards you are dealt and when a women gives birth the world around her changes. If you are part of it, you gotta roll with it. Staal may have some issues to deal with but if the relationship is strong, he is stronger from it.
I’d kill every man, woman and child on the face of the Earth for my son under the right scenario. I cried like a girl when he came home from the circumsizing. Maybe I ain’t good at it, but serious family stuff is for real and to the bitter end.
Maybe Staal is just looking for that base and we are gonna see another Getz when he finds it.
Hell I don’t know. I know I have done good things and bad things and ZI know there things I am good at and bad at.
“A man has to know his limitations”
I always like your posts and didn’t mean to shit o your life exper. Actually I am better off knowing you have that exper.
I hope it has been as good for you as it has for me.
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Wow, they say a picture is worth a 1000 words
In this case, it’s worth 50+ posts.
A conservative is someone who wants to get rid of all illegal immigrants,
Just as soon as those guys finish mowing his yard and building the shed
Of course,
though she looks a little like my youngest from that perspective.
A conservative is someone who wants to get rid of all illegal immigrants,
Just as soon as those guys finish mowing his yard and building the shed
I would have picked that option, but I’m not so sure they’ve made the right decision or are even the ones making the decision. I don’t know the ins and outs of how much say stars have in when they play and when they don’t. If it’s the coaches saying he’s good to go, then I have to trust their judgment. However, if it’s Staal pushing to play when the coaches and trainers are hesitant to allow him to do so, then I have a problem.
I wonder when we play Calgary (or if?) this year – seemed to fluster Brent the papa/coach when his boy was on the ice in the enemy colors.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We play Calgary once this year in an Away game on February 3rd (Wed.).
Facing Doug Weight as the #1 line’s opposing center would indeed be young Sutter’s fate were we to bring him up as Staal’s “replacement” for the next game.
One of the many reasons to just say no to that idea.
Y’know I think Sutter would be a bit intimidated but from what I heard about Weight’s reaction to that game, I think Weight would be even more hesitant. Still, rather distracting.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Doug Weight is more at the #2 center level than #1 (no offense, Dougie!), but such is the fate of the Islanders these days.
So, Sutter facing off against him isn’t actually that scary of a thought. I believe he’d acquit himself well.
It’s facing those #1 defensive pairings and true #1 centers like Ovechkin, etc. that would be more of a concern.
As is often the case HM speaks for me on this one. I voted to trust the coaches as well. If Staal’s ailment is one that could improve significantly with full rest, then the NYI game does seem like an appropriate time to rest him, the layover between last Saturday night and this Friday night is a schedule luxury we don’t often have.
Based on what I heard from Tom Rowe’s interview with Tripp yesterday at the STH practice, they practically have to hog tie him in the locker room to keep him off the ice for practice.
I think between Staal & the coaching staff, they have the experience to make the decision whether he plays or not. That being said, what happened to all the secondary scoring this team was supposed to have? Is there no one to step up? One of the great aspects of this team was supposed to be depth, and the fact that almost anyone could score a coupla goals. The only other player who has stepped up seems to be Whitney. Where is everyone else?
Staal is hands down our best forward, and 80% of him is still better than most of the league. If he can play, I feel he should, the team needs some jolt to get the scoring going, and I dont know if sitting him for any amount of time is the right idea for such jolt. He’s a tough man, i.e. taking that Cullen shot to the ear vs Boston, getting several stitches, and coming back and scoring in the 3rd. I think this whole injury bug just boils down to the shortened pre-season, and players not being in top shape. This causes rotating lines, which causes chemistry to not develop. One they get healthier, and the lines become more solidified, I believe the scoring will fall right back into place. BUT, I don’t think sitting Staal is a good move at this point in the season, nonetheless.
Its now or never
If you would ask the staff, they probably would tell you that they already should’ve sat him. But, the longer we go without winning a friggin game, the farther we get behind, and the less likely it becomes that they’ll sit him. If they dont sit him soon, then they wont unless hes unable to skate.
I agree with Briney. I also think Rod has an influence on Staal in the locker room (not the hot tub..) Rod is a machine in his work out routine and how hard he pushes. I think Staal looks up to that and trys to push himself as hard. The trouble is when the bod hurts, it’s telling you something. I think he should take a breather and get right. I also think it would be good for Mo to have the luxury of him not being in the locker room during ass chewing time. Which is where I think they are. Bring up a kid, Sutter does seem like a good choice. I also say just insert him in Staals spot, don’t screw with the rest of the lines. Sutter has played plenty of PK minutes in the NHL, he’s faced top lines and D pairings, he with the help of Ruutu and Ray can keep the the first lines off Cam enough to maybe get 2nd, 3rd or even 4th line help. You go jumbling the lines and what little chemistry has been built goes away. Not too mention if anygame is one to have a little faith going into it’s the Isle’s.
My take on not skating in practice is if you can’t prctice because it’s too bad, then a game is worse. Nobody is trying to kill him at practice, where out on the frozen field of battle he doesn’t have that luxury.
I say screw the streak and sit him and see what happens. When he’s back to normal turn him loose.
I also disagree with whomever said a 70% Staal is better than most all other forwards. No he’s a friggin’ anchor and doing his job. He’s not earning 70% of his pay, he has to be 100% to be the Staal we need and are paying for. 70% makes him a target not a distraction.
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I don’t think this has anything to do with the streak. It’s more about a desire to play. IMO, he’s a guy who could care less about numbers as long as the team’s winning. Now, if you wanted to make the argument that trying to make Team Canada is part of it, I could at least see some logic to that.
Couldn’t agree with you more here Cory. I don’t think it’s about Team Canada, or at least fully about Team Canada, plus being fully healthy and putting up more than 2 – 0 – 2 and a -2 would help him make Team Canada more than continuing to play. I think he is a competitive young person who always wants to play. I think his youth, he is only 25 for a few more days, is what is hurting him here. He’s still young enough to believe that he is invincible. That’s where the trainers and coaching staff needs to work with him. If he continues to play this way through these injuries he’s going to do something to hurt himself long term.
5 seconds left.
Do you believe in miracles?
YES!!
If you dont practice, you cant play....
Let look at the logic of this. The guy is already hurt and he is not practicing, which means him reflexes/strength/chemistry with the team/ and mind set is NOT where it needs to be to play in a game. He is risking further injury, and is not playing on par with what we need.
BUT… I chose the “trust the staff” option. Why? I really do not know…. because stars are the exception to the rules? Staal and Ward are our stars.
by packpigskinfan25 on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
wow.....
it is WAY to early to be typing.
by packpigskinfan25 on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
just to put it out there:
Staal, Cullen, Samsonov and CWard all sitting out practice according to Chip A’s tweets. AWard is back.
Wonder wussup with Sammy and Cullen?
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions
They caught the "suck" virus...
I kid I kid!! =)
by packpigskinfan25 on Oct 19, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Might be a bad idea to sit Staal, just for the simple fact that when he does return, it’ll take him a while to get back to game speed. Staal is a warrior, and he’ll probably wait till the olympic break to take the time off.. or he’ll play for team Canada? Damn you Staal!! put this team first!!!!
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
Everyone wanted Joni back before he was “ready”, but the staff or Joni (or a combo of both) decided to rest him ‘till he was close to 100%. His first game back, he plays pretty well – skates back to help deny a breakaway & sets up staal for a golden opportunity in the 3rd (actually – after the play where Joni set up Staal, I read Staal’s lips, after the missed chance, to say nice “freaking” pass Joni)
Point is – why wouldnt they take the same approach with Staal? Rest him till hes healthy.
I wanted Pitkenin to stay away until he was healthy
things seem to get worse when you don’t take the time to heal properly.
(Note to self, if the ankle is swollen, don’t go running on it)
A conservative is someone who wants to get rid of all illegal immigrants,
Just as soon as those guys finish mowing his yard and building the shed
Thats the wimpy way out. If the ankle is swollen, just attempt to land squarely. I used to wonder about people who would twist an ankle 20 miles into a 100 miler, then pull out after fifty miles. Wasn’t it painful the whole time? But after a year of running the trails near my apartment at all hours of the day and night, I have gotten used to twisting an ankle in the first mile and finishing the rest of the five mile run. Usually helps with the attention paid to the trail.
Stay the course...for now
Fortunately, it’s the pros’ choice, and not the amateurs’, as to whether he skates or not. And, that was my vote, to have it be that way.
Despite opinions to the contrary, Staal’s been a handful for the opposing team’s defense every game this year. If he, and the staff, thinks he can skate, then he’s welcome to do so as far as I’m concerned.
And, realistically, we just do not have a #1 center in the system ready to drop into his place. Even a field promotion of Cullen is suspect, since he’s out of today’s practice and hasn’t looked 100 percent to me. That assumes he could handle the stint even when he is hitting on all cylinders.
Further, while Sutter would be a good replacement for Cullen, should that field promotion occur, he’s not a candidate to replace Staal’s role on the top line.
So, if Staal can keep going and rest the practice days, then my guess is that will be the way the org decides to go.
None of the Above
I go with a different view than those stated above. I don’t think he should be put in the press box (unless he truly does need to sit), but at the same time I think part of the problem is how much he’s been playing. If he’s got a nagging injury 20 minutes a night is not good.
Just look at this last game against NJ. The Devils get a 5-on-3, and who is the forward on the ice? Staal. He did good, but how much more taxing can you get on a guy than that? There’s no way he should be out there for any PK right now – not that he’s not good at it (amazingly, his d-game has improved greatly the past several years) – but because they ought to rest him. It’s not like the Canes don’t have any players who can play the PK.
Keep the chemistry on the other three lines, and cut down the TOI for the first line for now unless Staal shows he can play more at a higher level. That’s what they need to do.
Now I do like this reasonable approach.
You have an excellent observation about maybe skating him for his 5-on-5 and power play unit minutes, but questioning do we have to put him out there in ALL situations.
I agree that surely we can field a decent PK unit from the defensive-minded forwards we have on the team without adding those minutes to his TOI time.
Good point.
Good point above about limiting minutes. It seems contradictory to hold a guy out of practice because of an injury, but still play him in all situations about the same number of minutes he normally plays come game time.
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Especially when you go six deep at forward with your kill rotation
by Cory Lavalette on Oct 19, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
is it just me or does Staal seem to take it to another level late in games when the team is down? Ive noticed it the last 2 years and most recently in the 2nd half of the 3rd period against the devils. This team definitely plays a more intense and urgent style when they are up against the wall which makes me wonder if Staal sets the tone for that style. Mo needs to brainwash these guys into thinking theyre down 2 before the game starts.
I agree – or maybe wait till they need to win like 80% of the remaining games to even make the playoffs and then see the real deal.
Or only win a series in game 7 to advance. Why do it the easy way? Makes better TV.
Seemd to work last year.
Argh!!!!
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 19, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Tripp Tracy seemed to allude to this when he made a comment during the Jersey game that certain “stars” in the league hold energy in the tank, waiting until they really need it at the end of games. I assumed he was talking about Staal, without actually using his name.
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I will preface my attacks by saying that Staal is the whipping boy in times like this. Stars shouldnt turn on the gas late in the 3rd when a loss is staring you in the face, consistency is a problem with Staal and the whole team. We all know that the team mirrors Staals play so when he picks and chooses when to go all out, it does not set a good tone for the rest. For those thinking Staal should wear the ‘C’, this has been and will continue to be my argument against. If you think Staal plays his hardest the whole game, then we will have to disagree.






















