Tim Conboy on Waivers
by Bob Wage on Nov 12, 2009 2:09 PM EST
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The Carolina Hurricanes placed Tim Conboy on waivers today. The team seems to be making room for someone, but who? Here is Conboy's stat line for this season.
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More pissin’ in the wind…
When are they going to adress a real problem and do something?
Yelle on waivers and back playing = net nothing.
Same with Tim.
Pussy footing around and this is all they start out with, pathetic, just like most of the other choices they have made.
I guess a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. Sure woulda liked a better step, though.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
sutter had a permanent home before Conboy was put on waivers. Unfortunately with a stat line line conboy nobody is gonna pick him up anyway. More changes need to be made than waiving one player and calling up another. This team has not played as a"team " since day one. If you remember the year they won the cup, before the season started they went to a team building camp. This year, nobody knows where the other player is on the ice. Passes going to empty ice, players not backing each other up. I agree with Paladin6, enough is enough, veteran players need to be dealt with. ( Whitney,Brindy, Cullen, Wallin, etc…) I spend to much f’in money going to games when I can sit home and watch the keystone cops.Time to dismantle and begin building for future years. GO CANES!! damnit!!
I could think of 15 other guys I’d put on waivers before I would put up Tim Conboy….
He doesn’t produce goals… (but nobody else does either)… he could play every position and is one of the only guys I have seen who (A) never gives up and (B) Everyone on the team really likes….
Put up Brind’Amour or Rosie…
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions
What do you mean Conboy doesn’t produce goals ?
He only has one less than Cole and LaRose combined.
by drifterscape on Nov 12, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
LOL…. my bad….
and on MOST nights he has looked like he cared to win a little more than Cole and LaRose combined…..
Maybe Conboy should have been in a few games and LaRose in the press box….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I’m amazed at the pass Larose has gotten, so far, on these sites.
by drifterscape on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
If you want…. I can and will make it my personal mission to point out how completely useless he has been so far….
Although…. I guess he is just as useless as every other do-nothing on this team right now….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
hopelessness
Iwas there last night and was almost convinced that at 2-2 the Canes had reached that “turn around” moment. What unfolded was more of the same. 99.9 reported a hopless and broken attitude in the locker room post contest.
I, For one, have been checking websites hourly for the last weeks looking for any stir up that could change the look and feel of this team.
I am truly at the point that I think a move of any type should be made. If we wait until next season to get some of the young players significant ice time, then we will have to deal with back to back tough records riddled with losses. If we go ahead and clear capspace, promote guys like Boychuck, Bowman, Borer, and play a guy like Sutter more often, we will still see more losses than we want, but will gain valuable experience.Forget about equal value when dealing Corvo, Cullen, Alberts, Whitney and Roddy. Draft picks will suffice. Money is going to be a real problem if this team keeps losing with the current roster. Make it fun for the fans to see new looks and talent and buy experience for a team that MUST retool NOW!!!
by Caniac233 on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Corvo is the guy I would like to see moved right now. That guy has the attitude of a loser it seems. Trade him and make sure Rodney continues to get 20+mins a night.
by Iggy Reilly on Nov 12, 2009 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
I’ve said it over and over…. the guy hates playing here and it shows big time…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Would YOU trade for any of the current roster?
Who, on this roster, is tradeable? Next to no one. JR is going to have to start with some small moves in order to make some big ones – this is just one of those first steps. Send Conboy down to create another roster spot, or let someone pick up his salary.
Who would give up a scorer for what we’ve got? Who would wanna take on a Samsonov or a LaRose or a Ward or a Brindy with their salaries & diminishing abilities? We are stuck with what we have, and the only way to make some new room on this roster is to put someone on waivers & send them down.
Either that, or trade some f the young ’uns for some scoring.
JR
There has to be a GM that owes JR a favor. I say JR contact that team and negotiate 4 veterans for 2 prospects.
by THE_NEW_CANES on Nov 12, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I do not know that we ever got anything (future considerations???) from Chicago for Craig Adams…. that is a start….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I really like this move. The only thing about Conboy that was positive was he would fight. We have Gleason and now Alberts to handle that. Freeing up a roster spot for one of the prospects is a great move. The season may be tanking, but that just means we have to rebuild. We need to get younger and faster if our Dump-n-chase routine is going to work. Brindy might be untradable, but Whitney (our past scoring leader) could probably be good bait to a team that needs some veteran prescence up front. And I hate myself for that last sentence b/c I like both Brindy and Whitney.
chicago
Just lost their 2nd line center. They would take a Cullen and Corvo along with a 6 month liabilty in Whitney to dump heavy salaries of Cam Barker and or Bfuglyin sp.
Maybe we can absorb some salary laden contracts to some teams that can make a run with an equal vet like the above.
Plz keep in mind, I am not 100% sure on the contracts in Chi. It’s the concept.
by Caniac233 on Nov 12, 2009 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Chicago is definitely in the market for a center. Some of their fans (take that for what it is) actually wouldn’t mind bringing in Rod to help mentor the young guys. I think Cullen straight up for Barker would be the best deal. We get a young D-man that can play on the PP. They get a 2nd line center whose contract is expiring and slight amount of cap space. Chicago cannot take back more salary, even if it is just this year. They are in bad shape and may have to put some decent players on waivers once Hossa returns.
Barker’s value is way beyond simply Cullen.
by Cory Lavalette on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
It is unfortunate that we would have to trade one of a few guys who actually gives a crap about winning….
It’s too bad that it is always the guys who can’t really do much about it……
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Why would you want two guys that have never done anything at the NHL level ?
Both of those guys stink, plz man come on.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 12, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Dustin b-Lin (not even gonna try and spell that now) led rookies in scoring last year didn’t he?
by Iggy Reilly on Nov 12, 2009 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was impressed with Dustin B. while watching playofffs last spring.
by drifterscape on Nov 12, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
He started full time in 07-08, was a call-up guy a for a couple years prior
he’s a BIG dude that skates pretty quickly, always hustles, plus he’s more than willing to go to the net. He can play D or forward.
If Chicago wants to lose payroll you may be able to give up as little as Rosie to get him.
I’d rather have barker, though – a lot more growth potential there.
Wait
Didn’t Conboy get an empty netter in one game? Did I dream that? Can’t we get something for that damn empty net goal I dreamed? Damn it!
I think you’re remembering this: There was an odd goal in the last pre-season game in Nashville. Actually it was a Predator who knocked the puck in, but Conboy got credit as the last Cane to touch it.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 12, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Question, why waive Conboy to bring someone up, can’t we just put Yelle or Walker on IR, or is there a minimum time frame you have to be on IR?
I (for some reason) do not think that they have even bothered to put Cam on IR yet…. (he is still listed on the roster card along w/ Leighton and Legace)
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ya know what? Conboy=free space.
Walker on IR, whether he’s hurt or not=cap room and free space.
Yelle on IR=see above though the cap space is negligible
I liked Rodney, I think he stays. JR and mini K just had a big pow wow with the other big cheeses I believe. Would appear as if opportunity has brushed the knocker, let’s see in anyone answers.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Walker and Yelle out
Yelle and Walker both missed todays practice with various injuries acquired in the game against the Kings last night. Conboy was at practice today and is not going to be claimed by anyone so he will be reassigned to the River Rats so that the Canes can make a roster move before the next game.
Boychuk more than likely is going to get the call, hopefully for good this time.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 12, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions
He has been burned for the first time in his tenure with the Canes.
All starts with coaching and Maurice has no clue period. He is the real problem here just let Ronnie Francis run the team he knows what to do by know and Maurice has always been crap.
He was crap in Hartford, Greensboro, Toronto, and Now Raleigh. Cut him and these overpaid under-performing players. Walker, Wallin, Samansov, LaRose need to go for sure with Cullen and Cole on the bubble.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 12, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Rutherford has never built a consistant winner, the team probably doesn’t have much better than a .500 record since he has been GM. He is the jacka$$ that hired Mo again after firing him already for not getting the job done. This whole organization is a joke starting with Rutherford on down.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 12, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
3 Eastern Conference Finals or better in last 7 seasons.
Step back from the Ledge.
by drifterscape on Nov 12, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
No chance in 2002 and we weren’t very good, in 2006 we were a good team all year and deserved to be there as well as win. Last year we were barely a .500 team all year, got hot and were barely .500 in playoffs until Conf finals. We got exposed in the conference finals for what we were all season,… not very good. And just about every other year we play golf in April. I’m not on the ledge, I am seeing this team and organization for what they are….
I might not feel as passionate except I waste money every year on season tickets. I want hockey to make it here, I want the canes to be successful but I am sick of this. Next year I won’t be renewing and then I’m certain I’ll feel “more objective”.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 12, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, you really watched a different playoff series against Jersey and Boston than I did…
Still not a crook!
Beat NJ in Seven ( 4 wins, 3 losses)
Beat Boston in Seven (4 wins, 3 losses)
Lost to Pittsburgh in Four ( 0 wins, 4 losses)
Total ( 8 wins, 10 losses)
I can do the math for you but hopefully you see that, as I state, barely .500.
Maybe you’re happy and content but I’m not
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 12, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well Math man, maybe you should try a little logic instead.
We’re talking about the playoffs Einstein. Shit, it took us 7 games to beat a team with the Vezina, Norris, and Jack Adams awards winners! That’s just barely above .500 hockey, we are f’ing terrible!
Not to mention we won two game 7’s on the road. Geez only .500 teams do that pathetic feat.
Here’s some basic math for you, how many teams out of 30 finsihed higher than us last year? One, two, three. That’s it.
We suck right now, yes. But give me a damn break…
Still not a crook!
Well I am looking at all his work not just the select few years you choose to view. We have been a below average team more often than not since arriving in NC with him as GM.
And yes, I am very intelligent and appreciate your acknowledgement. Hopefully one day you will provide evidence of your intellect.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 12, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
A select few years? If every season since the lockout when the rules of the game completely changed is select, then I guess you may be right…
Don’t hurt yourself jumping off the bandwagon, we’ll see you again next time the Canes make a playoff run…
Still not a crook!
Hockey existed long before the lockout and this team wasn’t very good back then. I know because I have been a season ticket holder since they arrived in Raleigh and you have been buying the cheapseats since, I’ll guess, 2006. Your knowledge of the team and facts seems very limited.
Again, if you read what I write, I’m looking at his complete body of work not a few selected years.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 12, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I am so sorry sir. I didn’t realize that the amount of money spent on hocket tickets determines fanhood. I’ll just go back up to the 3rd deck with my poor friends and not bother you anymore.
Still not a crook!
Amount of money spent on tickets doesn’t determine fanhood but then again you don’t understand much anyway. Where you sit doesn’t determine fanhood or loyalty but again you don’t understand much.
When you’re ignorant of the facts, and you are, keep your thoughts to yourself.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 12, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be damned if I let some two-faced fair weather fan like you tell me when I can and can’t speak. I don’t give a shit how long you’ve been a precious little season ticket holder.
I am so damn sorry that I actually defended my team and franchise against an asshole like you who thinks that a stanley cup, two cup finals and 3 conference finals in 7 years is “barely above .500”
In the era of the salary cap and new rules this has been a monumental success story especially for a small market hockey team in the South.
I could give two shits about how long you’ve been a fan or where your seats are dick. What I know is that you’re a shitty, fairweather, bandwagon jumping POS that only gets on here to trash a team he supposedly roots for. If this franchise is so awful find another F’ing team to cheer for.
Still not a crook!
Profanity is the crutch of the conversational cripple
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 13, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Canes Pucknut
I have been a season ticket holder just as long as you have….
therefore I can tell you that YOU ARE WRONG!
now stop being an ass and get back to work….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 13, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Read the crux of my argument and you will see that I am not wrong. This team has been barely average under Rutherford.
Don’t understand how this makes me an ass but I do feel that looking to change management should be looked at through this entire process. As you can read from the lead article today, Rutherford has us in a deep hole.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 13, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
If you mean that they are great one season and them miss the playoffs the next two… then I see your point….
But you keep buying season tickets…. so there must be something worth watching… right?
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 13, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I grew up playing and watching hockey and know what a great game it is. I support the Canes because I want hockey to make it here. I don’t add or withhold my support based on how they are doing.
I love this team and so does everyone else that follows them at Canes Country. We are the most hardcore fans. I just think Rutherfords complete body of work isn’t all that great. He has had some very good years and some very bad years. I just don’t think he should have a free pass.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 13, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not a deep hole. There’s no monstrous salary cap issue going forward. It’s just this season.
by Cory Lavalette on Nov 13, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
“It’s just this season”?
It’s just 56 mill in cap money
It’s just a year of my life
It’s just the Stanley Cup..
“It’s just this season” is the thought process that is hurting this team, I think. Not you, but the players, I mean. That’s why I think the vet squad failed…..
“Do not try! Do or do not”
Yoda
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
8th most regular season wins since the lockout, 4th most playoff wins since the lockout, and 6th most total wins since the lockout. Does that sound like “barely a .500 team” to you?
Still not a crook!
All years before salary cap JR was competing with one hand tied behind his back by owner mandated salary cap. Yet we still managed to make cup Finals once. Which despite the possible lack of awe-inspiring talent that year was one more Cup final than over 50% of franchises regardless of any imposed caps or not.
My Ledge comment was not about your point regarding the mediocrity of this team for 2 of every 3 years. Because factually, you are correct sir. My point is to enjoy the one out of three years we do what most other fan bases can only dream of. Have success in the Playoffs.
by drifterscape on Nov 12, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
this could be the stupidest post I have ever seen on here
Nice job. To beat some of mine, you really had to try hard.
by DidJussiThat? on Nov 13, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Scott walker has been one of our best players…. and he is one of only two guys on the team who is on the Plus-side of the +/- stat (before yesterdays game… haven’t checked today)
LaRose and Cole for sure can get lost….. along w/ Corvo. Mr. Do-Nothing, Mr. Lazy and Mr. Bad-Attitude would be a good trade package for someone who is young and gives half a crap….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna disagree at least the year we went to the Cup against Detroit. Mo was and had to be brilliant. That team was pretty under powered and he took them all the way.
The guy has the ability in him, I know it. I just can’t figure out for the life of me why Mo doesn’t make it work. I agree he’s not making it work and is part of the problem. We have a better chance of getting rid of Rod than Mo, though. So i knda of stick my head in the sand on Mo. No way Francis takes the job, or looks to be able to do the job. So it’s Rowe that it would fall to and they passed hiom by and hired MO, I don’t see that changinging.
The players got to get swapped out first for a group that wants to play win or lose. Some of the current ones just can’t. Ain’t much out there to be had and we have even less to to barter with.
We shall see. It obviously can’t continue without some form of effort being made to stop a losing stream like the one we are on.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Last season Maurice did very well with Laviolette’s players…..
Maybe (since he is on the payroll anyway) they should let Lavi pick the team… and Mo can coach them…. because MO and JR really screwed up the roster this summer……
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why I'm mostly staying away.
I try to see the “bright side”.
But right now that “Bright Side” is into the fire.
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
So, lcd, does tha mean you have arrived at acceptance yet? or still in denial? ;-) When I see this kind of anger I assume it’s the fans who only just got out of denial. Just a phase. Part of the process – nothing wrong with it. Just seems a little late. (shrugs)
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 12, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
None of the above actually.....
That happened a while ago.
Now I’m just don’t have as much to say.
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
anger is love
In this case….how a team like this can have fan chatter and discussion would surprise some. When we get no comments, no anger, and no butts in the seats, we will all need to worry. I think the fans are pissed but loyal. When are we going to let them have it like they do in Montreal or Toronto or even in the NE citied? We expect better from our Canes! We want better! We were not rated as the best fans by ESPN for nothing. ESPN hates the Canes so it must be true. I am pissed 4 sure..how bout u?
by Caniac233 on Nov 12, 2009 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Then they must really !#$^#$^ love us
for if the idea that “You only hurt the one you love” is true, well you’re all smart enough to figure out how much they must love us.
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
Great point! Hockey has really attached itself to Raleigh
I think everyone responds and expresses themselves differently when faced with this kind of crisis. Have you ever been through anything this disappointing as a fan of a sports team? Usually when my favorite team sucks this bad, I kinda expected it but like them anyway.
I can only sustain anger so long. I was angry back with the Colorado game, then some stupid penalties in Minnesota. And sending Boychuk back was a real pisser too. Hopefully that is only a temporary deal.
I do think that the options we come up here are sometimes a little simplified or even naive. (I mean, what do any of us really know about all the subtleties of NHL contracts. Have we read the actual contracts to see what terms may be in there?). We also have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Last, we don’t have the personal relationships and private conversations that JR and Mo have had with these players, which may make some of these cold-hearted but very logical (even obvious) options more difficult for them than it is for us to see as the answer.
That doesn’t mean I’m not passionate (even obsessed). I just don’t have the emotional fortitude to stay angry.
Again, I really really like and respect what you’re saying about the quality of the fans. Great angle on the season. If that’s the silver lining, that’s not too shabby.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 12, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Luckily I have been too busy at work to worry w/ it….
so now it’s night time and I can’t sleep…..
and Yes I am pissed!!!!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Conboy pissed off Mo
The game where he started a fight when it looked as if the Canes were gaining momentum. He had 21 seconds of ice time that night.
Last night, yeah, he was in the line up but I don’t remember seeing him on the ice at all.
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
Does Mo have a vindictive side?
Sure does seem like it.
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
Vindictive For Sure
But also he is a players coach. Meaning he favors the veterans which leads to him not liking who the vets like. Basically calling all the shots around what the vets suggest.
by THE_NEW_CANES on Nov 12, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Mo? Vindictive?
Ask Arturs Irbe…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I"ve heard allusions to this from people who explain why they hate the Canes (NC people). Can you elaborate on this? (or are there links that spell it out without mincing words)
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 13, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
You mean about Irbe?
Irbe was our “run you into the ground” goaltender…. and he LOVED it….
Along came Keven Weekes…. And in the ‘02-’03 season the entire team blew a big one and Mo started giving more time to Weekes…..
Allegedly Irbe called Mo out and said he wanted his net back…. Irbe (like most goaltenders) had lots of pride and wanted more playing time…. But MO did not like his players questioning his coaching decisions…. and JR did not like anyone questioning his precious Mo….
So the following season… Irbe (and his $5.3-million sallary) found himself playing in the ECHL….. He did not make it back to the NHL until after MO was long gone and Laviolette had had it w/ Jamie Stoor (who?) and they were trying to Shop Irbe (who was eventually traded to the Blue Jackets but never actually played for them…)
If they will pay their (at the time) “Franchise Goaltender” $5.3-million to play in the ECHL just for asking the coach to give him a chance to redeem himself and his team…. they will do ANYTHING…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 13, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Conboy was a healthy scratch last night….. he skated in warm-ups but he was not in the lineup….
I thought it was Jay Harrison that started the bad fight…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I thought there were 2 fights started in the offensive zone in the St Louis game? Harrison and Conboy. Here’s Bob’s re-cap.
For ease of reference, here are the relevant comments from Harwood.
•FIGHTING 101: When to fight and when not to fight? Jay Harrison and Tim Conboy both were involved in separate fights early in the game before either team had scored. The problem is, the Hurricanes had the jump at this stage in the game and were controlling play. The puck was in the St. Louis zone when both of these altercations took place. That is NOT the time to be starting fights. The momentum changed a bit after the Conboy fight, especially. The Blues scored shortly afterward and the wheels fell off after that. There are good times to fight and bad times, and both of those fights did more to hurt the team’s momentum than help it. I have also never been able to figure out why a player starts a fight, (or accepts one), when his team is in the offensive end trying to score a goal. Are they trying to keep their teammates from scoring?
•The coaches must have agreed with this assessment because Conboy never saw another shift. He played a total of 22 seconds for the entire game.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 13, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Got ya…. I didn’t actually see that game…. I was relying on the Stat Line…. and on something I heard Trip “having played the position” Tracy say about Harrison….
My bad…
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 13, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Dec 11th or Dec 12th - Canes' fans misery Bar
I would like to say that in 4 weeks I’d finally like to see you all. Right now I can only put a face to a name with Paladin6 and Dr. Evil.
Where: Cary Ale House
When Friday 12/11 or Sat 12/12 and we’ll belly up to the bar starting at 6:00pm
It’s not who “can” but “will” be there, either day. We’ll pick one and hell, I’ll go to both.
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
Well she’s Good, I’m Bad, looks like you is Ugly!!!
Heh, heh, i crack myself up!!!
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Actually you be the ugly one
as the only thing you’re cracking up are the mirrors you walk by.
hugs and kisses ;)
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
Sounds like Staal is coming back soon and they needed a spot to keep Sutter up here. Hopefully they’ve realized the riot that would ensue if Brandon gets sent back down to Albany this season….
Still not a crook!
I had better not see (or even hear the name) Staal until December….
MID-December!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Why – cause you want him 100%? or another reason?
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 13, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Because he has clearly proven that if he is playing at less than (I’ll say) 95% he hurts much more than he helps…. I like the guy…. but we need him in a position to help the team… not hurt them….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 13, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I feel somewhat sorry for Conboy, but this was going to happen sooner or later. He has a very small niche and like someone else said, that role can be filled by others. They still need to make a bigger move. I mentioned before the season ever started, the kids need to be worked into the lineup to gain some experience. The AHL is good, but the NHL is a different monster. For the (hopeful) well-being of next years team: don’t just give the kids a taste, let them sit down at the table.
by PackPride17 on Nov 12, 2009 5:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
maurice
the article in the N&O was bizarre. at least the one i read today. about his conference talk in cary. he sounded brutal.
1. if the captain says his team isn’t good enough, cut his head off. you have to work with the team you have.
2. if a player you’re criticizing won’t fight back, you’re doomed…you can’t pet a dog’s head all day. the dog has to fight back…..???
and the quotes go on and on and they are just bizarre. like he’s instigating stuff with his own players. really weird. and if he yells at them, he wants them to yell back? now it’s chaos.
i was lucky enough to play soccer under anson dorrance and even though i’m a girl, the environment was never like that ever. that’s just weird. it was calm. we had set plays. were familiar with each other and how each other played. and we were respectful of each other. mo sounds a little off his rocker. he just throws crap to the wall and sees what sticks and then wonders why they’re not consistently winning or winning at all.
Emma, that’s Herb Brooks 101. When the team can’t do anything like a team give them something they all can hate. While not my favorite model for team building, it has worked.
I would also pose it is working, Mo is gaining some pretty substantial hatred against him…
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Yep… give them a common enemy that is not each other……
And let Ron Francis handle the mop-up….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think they should put the whole dang team on waivers…. See who stays and who goes….
Sad thing is…. I don’t think anyone would be taken…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ruutu? Gleason?
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 13, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
If it would wake up the rest of the team…. Yes! Anyone!!!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 13, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if there is a such thing as too much character? JR seems to go after these so called character players mainly because they’re cheap and blue collar kinda guys. I think the reason this team fails so often is the amount of character exceeds the amount of talent, too many guys comfortable with each other in the locker room, I know it worked the cup year.. but eventually all things come to an end, so here we are clueless as to what the problem is and mired in a 13 game losing streak. I think JR needs to open a few eyes by bringing in a bigger name player with a little more ego.. maybe then the team would respond by trying to outplay this player (or at least call each other out).. trying to take they’re team back if you will. I don’t know how stupid my theory sounds, but at this point, if I were JR I would be trying anything possible to get this team going again! I don’t know but just an idea. I guess waiving players works too though?
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Nov 12, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions
I like this thought. Maybe the Hurricanes have become TOO much of a family with all of the bringing players and coaches back time and time again. Bring in some a-holes who could give two shits about eating dinner with Tripp Tracy and have something to prove. What we need are more Russians!!
Still not a crook!
How about Sean Avery??? He’s an a-hole that plays well, teams come into a game with him wondering what he could do!
Ah, he's just misunderstood
and he needs the love of a good woman.
Do we know any?
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
Like I said, love of a GOOD woman would do it.....
and we still don’t know of any
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
So the "Bad Boy Image" doesn't always work?
That’s good to know.
I think we found a couple of good women right here.
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
There’s a difference between bad boy and whatever the heck Avery is. I can think of a full colorful adjectives, but none are really appropriate here.
I was thinking of a guy like Brenden Morrow of the Dallas Stars.. he’s they’re team captain, he’s got a mean streak and he leads by example (ie; scoring, and good defensively). He would be my example of adding some umph to this team. I’ve seen him play and always thought this i waht this team needs.
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Nov 12, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Jen…. we could put the Devil himself on this team right now…. and it still could not possibly get any worse than it already is….
Anyone…. i mean ANYONE is an improvement over what we already have……
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Be careful what you say we may end up with a “character player” (veteran) like Jager or I saw Theo Fleury attempted a comeback…….
that’s an idea too.. this team needs an identity! LOL!!!
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Nov 12, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
thats true.. at least we’d have some offense.
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Nov 12, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Here's an idea
How about all players making more than 2M give back 1/3 their salary to the team for (so far) ruining my first year in 1080p
And all STH’s get proportional rebate.
Or, management keeps it and tries to buy some real talent.
by drifterscape on Nov 12, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
would you welcome a system where we paid more money in seasons we have a better record too?
by camwardsaysno on Nov 12, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
WRONG. the XFL had the Cheerleader ads right.....
past that, well I did like the “no fair catch rule”
When all else fails, read the instruction manual.
Better record than this year ? Saudi’s won’t have that kind of money.
by drifterscape on Nov 12, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS TEAM THAT LOSING WALLIN, A.WARD AND BRIND'AMOUR WOULDN'T HELP
As for me, I had one rare moment of clarity as I read all the various posts about the atrocious year we are having:
THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS TEAM THAT LOSING WALLIN, A.WARD AND BRIND’AMOUR WOULDN’T HELP
I’d be hating life as a Carolina Hurricane player if every game I went into the locker room and saw these three (Wallin, A.Ward, Brind’Amour) nice, intelligent, kind, slow-footed, complacent, and essentially non-contact players dragging me down and hurting my chances of winning a Stanley Cup. It’s like having to try to win when the coach puts the athletic director’s twin sons on the team when you know they need to be keeping the stats in the pressbox.
It isn’t really complex as far as the analysis. It may be complex in terms of the personalities and team politics. Banish the players that don’t have it in them to perform and replace them with younger, hungrier, bigger, faster players who see what a privilege it is to play in the NHL.
That is the sanest post I have read in days.
The fish rots form the head. Brindy needs to go. He turns the puck over about 3 times per game. My question is how can you afford to keep him when he is hurting the brand? He never reacts to anything until someone breaks his friggin nose.
Since when did Aaron Ward turn into a big pussy? The only thing he has hit so far is the ice.
Wallin has not hit anything either. Ruutu deserves better……Those guys suck. How dare they put that uniform on. If you don’t care, quit. If you cannot play….quit…..if you have no heart, go play poker if you can’t coach and motivate, go somewhere else.
Aaron Ward doesn’t want to play hockey.. he wants to be a radio personality! Back in Boston, he was on the radio all the time.. and now here, he has a 20 min. radio gig on 99.9thefan. I think he’s dovoted a good portion of his time to radio work. Retirement is right around the corner Aaron!
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Nov 12, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Is it just me or do the Canes have no system? Nothing...what was Mo doing this summer?
JR, are you reading? We hate this team. Maybe we should buy all of them some new Panties. Can’t hurt.
I mean that in the nicest possible sense.
I think JR should get some MMA fighters to come in and beat the living hell out of about 3/4 of the team at the next practice…..
and dare them to whimper or cry…..
bunch of assholes…….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 12, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Game week pricing
Anyone know if this is going to last all season? I used to get a ton of tickets on the day of the game when they were 9.99. Now if you want the cheapies you have to get them at least a week in advance. The canes have always had a great walk-up crowd on weeknight games, but now attendance is plummeting and I think game week pricing in a big reason.
Still not a crook!
JR works for PK
and because of that, like the rest of us that work for someone, he’s constrained by what his boss wants him to do. For JR, his boss wants him to make a profit, or at least not lose millions. Putting guys on waivers — Yelle, Conboy, Harrison, whomever — just means that we have to pay their full salary if no one claims them and they’re sent to the AHL. On top of that, the Rats we bring up on 2-way contracts make a ton more, just increasing the teams salary number when we’re already close to the cap and at an expenditure much higher than we’ve ever had before.
Waiving guys and send them to Albany to call up the kids is financial suicide. PK won’t do it. He’s got cost certainty now and no savvy businessman is gonna piss that away when the season is teetering on the brink of being lost. Even if the Canes go 2-76-3, PK knows what his expenses are. Sure, revenue is gonna tank, but he knows how much the electric bill and the water bill and the cable bill will be every month. Cost certainty.
Trading guys for prospects won’t work. You’re trading proven (if disappointing) NHL players for minor leaguers or 4th liners. Will rolling 2 lines of prospects make the team win more games? Hell no.
Being at last night’s game was an exercise in contrasts. They blew in the first period, and it could easily been 3 or 4-1 by the time the horn sounded. Passes in the skates, losing battles in the corners, getting outhustled to pucks…it was pathetic.
Period 2 and the first 5 minutes of Period 3, the passes were crisper, we were digging pucks out of the corner, we had a little jump, and we outscored the Kings 2-1, outshot them, outhustled them. LaRose was buzzing around, Rodney made some great passes and jumped in on the rush for some chances, Sutter was strong and swift and dangerous, the vets had some fire, and Legace was solid. With a fractured lineup on the ice against one of the top 10 teams in the NHL, they more than held their own. Killing a 5 on 3, guys giving up their bodies to block shots, Ruutu sniping, Rosie and Alberts crashing the net, the Wizard and Sammy dealing and dishing — it was a tantalizing and transient taste of what this team could do.
Then, the penalty and the PP goal, and it was over.
The problem is not the personnel, the problem is the effort. The players know it. Ruutu said it in the interview after the game. They gave up. During the length of this losing streak, there are stretches in every game when this team gives up and that’s when the other team scores 2 and 3 goals in a row. What’s the solution?
Passion. As someone posted earlier or on another thread, there are 4 or 5 guys that night in and night out don’t play like their hair is on fire. Sometimes it’s Rosie and Rod, sometimes it’s Whitney and Ruu and Corvo and Pits. This team, which doesn’t have any true superstars, needs to play with heart and effort and urgency every game because they don’t have the talent to coast. We are a small-market team, and even with the salary cap we can’t compete with NY and Detroit and Washington and Pittsburgh on a dollar-for-dollar basis. We can only compete on grit. Savvy. Hustle. Want.
Fiscally, there is no way to blow this team up (this year). The coaches and the players have to look at themselves and dig for some pride. JR and PK, too.
After all, that’s what the rest of us that have to work for a living do every day.
Sorry about the length of the post. I am frustrated like the rest of you and wish I had the solution. Mrs G and I love the games and want this team to win.
I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t completely agree. Yes JR works for PK and his responsibilty is putting a competitive team on the ice and trying to turn a profit. With putting guys like Conboy and Yelle on waivers, he is only adding to the cap when sending them down and bringing a kid up.
You’re right this team can’t be blown up because of financial reasons. It CAN be disassembled and constructed for the future. We are probably stuck with Brindy, AWard, Wallin, Yelle, and Conboy. LaRose and Samsonov could possibly be traded. Even though they are good guys and players: Corvo, Cullen, and Whitney should be traded for the benefit of the future. Yes prospects don’t always turn out, but some become quality players.
We don’t need to trade everyone right now, but moves should be made to prepare our future for the NHL as this season appears to be lost.
by PackPride17 on Nov 12, 2009 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I read it correctly you’re saying we have the right pieces but for some lack of intensity reason it’s just not working. That is a hockey decision. Could be correct.
But I would respectfully disagree that they can’t blow the team up. That’s a business decision that a forward looking management could take. They could decide that keeping older and/or non-performing players is detrimental to the future develpoment of the organization. They could notice that the revenue stream (the paying customers) are not interested in watching players who should not be here next year or even next month.
Many currently successful teams have had some terrible years and their way out was to stockpile youth through trades and draftpicks. Washington, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Boston, and most recently Los Angeles and Colorado.
Recycling veterans, swapping 3rd liners, and bargain hunting on the waiver-wire is another business decision option. It could also work, but aquiring youth seems the best way. You have to dump salary to offset declining attendance then draft and trade for youth. They make low salary which offsets low attendance while they struggle.
They grow-up, start winning, bandwagon fills, salaries rise. Players age, the cycle repeats.
by drifterscape on Nov 12, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Gillimus – I like how you think. Well-said. I think adding Bob’s piece (Posted after this) really clarifies a lot on these business matters too.
I do think that the over- 30 vets, who already have their name on the Cup (you know who I mean – aka “the band”) just don’t seem to want to go through that again (it is a grueling experience, requiring extraordinary effort and the sacrifice apparently isn’t worth the return- another ring- to them. They’re thinking about their post-NHL careers as retired rich dads on the golf course).
I think it’s the 25-30 yr old guys who got their first taste of the playoffs last Spring, like Ruutu, Jussi and Gleason (maybe add in Sammi, Corvo and Pits, tho they are a little hard to read), who want it BAD. They have a lot to prove to themselves. No sacrifice is too great. Staal and CWard too – they really feel the pressure, maybe too much so. Sutter just wants to stay in Raleigh.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 13, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
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