Rally Falls Short, Islanders 4, Canes 3 (OT)
by Bob Wage on Nov 14, 2009 2:30 AM EST
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The Carolina Hurricanes fell behind quickly again as they allowed three goals in the first period while only generating three shots on goal, but they fought back and tied the score before eventually losing to the New York Islanders in overtime, 4-3. Brandon Sutter earned two assists, his first two point game in the NHL, and Tuomo Ruutu scored another goal, his third in the last two games, and hit everything in sight to lead the home team.
It seemed for awhile like the Hurricanes might finally put an end to their prolonged winless streak, but instead failed to win for the 14th consecutive game.
The game had another less than auspicious start for the home team as Tim Gleason took a roughing penalty less than three minutes into the game, then mouthed off on his way to the box for an unsportsmanlike penalty on top of it. The Islanders took full advantage by scoring two powerplay goals during the four minute penalty kill sequence.
John Tavares knocked a puck out of midair into the net which came bouncing off the end glass for the first goal. Mark Streit rifled a shot in from the blueline for the second.
Aaron Ward would get called for tripping at about the 11 minute mark and Tavares would score again, just after Ward stepped out of the box to make it an even strength tally. The Canes could only muster three shots on goal, after just putting two shots on net in the opening period during Wednesday night's game.
There was a lot of grumbling in the press box between periods as most felt that the game was as well as over, but apparently Carolina had other ideas. They came out in the second period with some zip and drew a penalty at about the 8 minute mark which gave them the advantage.
Paul Maurice put Bryan Rodney and Brandon Sutter on the ice for the powerplay and they did not disappoint. Tuomo Ruutu put in a shot for the goal, but both youngsters picked up assists. Sutter created the opportunity by getting in Martin Biron's kitchen on the play.
The home team would score again in the period after Ray Whitney re-directed an Andrew Alberts shot into the net. The crowd was really into the game by then and the team had some life as well as some hope. Late in the period, Blake Comeau was called for high sticking, which drew blood on Erik Cole.
The Canes would have over three minutes of powerplay time with fresh ice to begin the third period, but could not take advantage. The Islanders killed the opportunity and took back the momentum. It had turned into an entertaining game though and the Hurricanes continued to try to tie things up.
With about four to five minutes left in the contest, Tim Gleason lost his edge and took a nasty tumble into the end boards. He got up very slowly and was limping, but did not immediately leave the ice. When he did make it to the bench, most folk probably thought that his night was over, but he returned to the game and with two and a half minutes left, rifled a seeing eye shot past Biron to tie the game.
Carolina was buzzing after that score and tried to win the game before regulation, but the Islanders had the best opportunity when a puck got past Legace at the other end. The goalie was down and out and had no idea where the puck was, but it was dangerously close to the goal line. Joni Pitkanen saved the day when he took out the closest Islander who was reaching for the puck.
There were just a few seconds left on the clock. If that puck would have gone in, what a buzz killer that would have been.
The game went to overtime and the Islanders had the better chances, but Manny Legace was equal to the task. With overtime winding down, Bryan Rodney tried to clear the puck into the middle of his own zone and Kyle Okposo jumped all over it. He stole the puck, drove the net, and beat Legace with just 15 clicks left in the extra period for the game winner.
The Canes earned a point and they played better, but the streak continues.
Game Notes:
- It was the first game of the year in which Carolina out-scored their opponent in the second period.
- Ruutu's powerplay goal ended a 0-24 man-advantage drought. As mentioned before, two ex-Rats had the assists.
- Ruutu was a beast in this game and was credited with nine hits, six shots on goal, and two takeaways. He led the team in all three categories. Erik Cole had eight hits.
- Rodney was apologetic after the game for his big mistake. He said that he let his teammates down. But the rookie collected his first NHL point and certainly had more positive than negative for the night. Maurice said after the game that he told Rodney not to let the play bother him because he did not want the defenseman to dwell on it. You can forgive a rookie for making that mistake because sometimes the vets on the team have been doing the same thing as well.
- Ruutu set up Rodney for a perfect open chance right in the slot during the extra period, but the blueliner said he barely saw the puck coming and could not get good wood on it. He would love to have another chance at that one though.
- The Canes were not called for a penalty during the second period, just the sixth penalty-free period for them the entire season. (They were called for a penalty in the third)
- Aaron Ward played the fewest minutes, (10:13) of any of the defensemen. He was limping after the game and was obviously hampered by something.
- Chad LaRose played one of his best games of the season. He looked more like his old self, was buzzing around the net making a pest of himself, and came very close to making a couple of scoring plays. He ended up with an assist, four shots on goal, and five hits.
- Niclas Wallin seemed to play better alongside Pitkanen, although he looked lost during the second Tavares goal. He made one very nice hustle play as he caught up to an Islander on a breakaway and hip-checked him out of the play.
- Scott Walker made himself available for the game after it was expected he would sit out because of a wrist injury. Maurice went with seven defensemen anyway and benched Tim Conboy. Walker finished with just 4:47 of ice time. Tom Kostopoulos also had 4:50 of time on the ice. Stephane Yelle sat out as expected.
Next up for the Hurricanes on Sunday afternoon is a Minnesota Wild team which also beat them previously during this long streak. More about that later.
Brandon Sutter and Bryan Rodney gave post game interviews shown below.
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Thank the Hockey Gods for 1 point for a tie!! Otherwise we’d be at 4 for the year. At this rate we may hit double digits by Christmas. Were on pace to bewell into the 30’s..
A loss is still a loss, even with some spark. I still think this team needs a major change.
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Its a start!!
Hopefully we will be able to build upon this, the wild aren’t particularly having a great start to this season either… LETS GO CANES!! =D
Wallin Was Lost
Wallin was lost much of the game. It was laughable on the goal last night. Unfortunately, Wallin is almost guaranteed to let in at least one or two goals a game. The game might as well start Hurricanes 0 opponents 2 when the first period starts if Wallin gets any minutes. It’s not that Wallin wants to be terrible; but time after time the games moves faster than his mind can process and yes, he looks lost because he is lost.
Excellent observation. It’s not a physical deficiency (I was amazed to watch him run down and thwart that breakaway last night).
Instead, he does indeed seem to be processing the visual information around him at glacial speed. He’s visibly more than a half-beat off in reacting to threats around the net.
Also, he tries to get rid of the puck as soon as he touches it, whether it’s a good idea or not. He’s never exactly been a Sergei Samsonov in terms of puck handling, but you can tell that he has no confidence with the puck at all now.
by nomadologist on Nov 14, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
He seemed to have as good of a game as anyone else on the team…
I have never understood why everyone wants to throw Wallin under the bus. I guess because he is quiet and not really a “star” player for the team….
He is not as fast as some of our other Defensive players…. But you never hear the coaches, staff, or any press or media talking about him being a liability to the team…. It’s only fans who are looking for someone to blame…. and…. face it…. it’s just not cool to blame Tim Gleason or Joe Corvo…. or Cam F’ing Ward….
So blame Wallin… it’s the “cool” thing to do….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wallin and his play
I have no animus toward any of the Hurricanes players whom I view as dramatically under-producing. With regard to Wallin, having watched him for quite a number of years, I am convinced his play is disastrous to the team. It is also true that every player will make mistakes over the course of a game or a series of games. I believe the reason the commentators don’t talk about Wallin’s horrific play has to to with the fact that press and media tend to know the players. Wallin is by all accounts an absolute prince of person. He is intelligent, kind-hearted, an active member of this community. He is a great teammate in every respects. I respectfully suggest that if anybody were to analyze Wallin’s play, the inexorable conclusion is that Wallin is lost much of the time. His positioning too often leaves him unable to find the puck, and he reacts very poorly with his puck handling when pressured. I wish it were not so. I also respectfully suggest that if anybody were to go back to the NHL videos of goals against the Hurricanes and narrow those goals to times Wallin is on the ice, a remarkable number of times, Wallin’s mishandling of the puck or confusion over where the puck is located results in those goals. I don’t want to throw anybody under the bus. I certainly don’t take any pleasure in the fact that I’ve concluded Wallin is a master of disaster for the Hurricanes. I can either believe that the media, the press, and/or the coaches or my own lying eyes. I would be extremely happy if the Hurricanes coaches healthy scratched Wallin so we could see whether the criticism of Wallin is accurate or unfair. If the defense were to improve in his absence, we might well have an answer. I suspect, however, that the coaches and management will give us the answer next season. I doubt they will re-sign Wallin; and if that is the case, such a decision would speak volumes about their true appraisal of Wallin’s skill sets as a defender. Additionally, if like Kaberle, Wallin is not signed by any other NHL team, and I believe he will not be signed by another team, professionals vastly more knowledgeable than me will have given their opinions by their actions.
I’m just guessing, but I reckon that shouldn’t be just one paragraph?
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LOL – you are catching on!
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I also respectfully suggest that if anybody were to go back to the NHL videos of goals against the Hurricanes and narrow those goals to times Wallin is on the ice, a remarkable number of times, Wallin’s mishandling of the puck or confusion over where the puck is located results in those goals.
Wouldn’t his career +/- stats reflect that? I suppose you could pro-rate it per 60 minutes played to compare to someone else with a terribl +/- and lots of ice time. (gee, who could I be thinking of?). It’s not great, but hardly the worst.
He also doesn’t take many stupid penalties and is never so stupid to argue with the ref – which is, of course, why Gleason single-handedly cost us last night’s game if I recall your goat argument somewhere in this thread today. (10:48 am)
I think because he is so consistent in his mediocrity, it’s hard to fault him. When Staal and Brindy (even A-Ward) start looking mediocre or worse, that’s when the Canes fall apart. It’s a top-down problem, not the boring predictable journeymen blueliners (how ever overpaid they might be).
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wallin
You are absolutely correct, Wallin as far I can recall has never had a game misconduct for arguing with an official. Wallin’s early career had some insanely stupid penalties, but at present, he has not won my goat of the game award.
Realistically, every young defenseman in the NHL has to go through the painful process of making deadly mistakes that cost the team dearly. Rodney’s very poor choice in the overtime being a prime example. I don’t blame young defenders for making those kind of mistakes because it is the inherent risk of having young defensemen learn how to play in the NHL. On the other hand, I expect the more experienced defensemen like Gleason to use hockey intelligence in their play and not put a desperate team into a deep hole by taking stupid penalties at the onset of the game.
It’s potentially misleading to depend too much on +_/- statistics even though the statistic provides important insights. In addition to +/- statistics, it’s equally important to look at the videos to see the events leading up to a goal. For example, Wallin could be on the ice when a Hurricanes’ goal is scored and might have zero to do with the goal being scored. Similarly, Wallin could be on the ice and have nothing to do with the opponent scoring the goal. It is my observation that Wallin’s miscues frequently are the direct cause of an opponents’ goals. The top-down problem is very well-taken. If the Hurricanes are scoring five goals a game, the occasional miscue by Wallin or other journeymen would not be the difference between winning and losing games. At this point, any goal against the Hurricanes is problematic due to the lack of scoring. Given the fact that Wallin has very little upside ability to make a remarkable play defensively or offensively, it is even more important that he be as error-free as possible. Finally, the disproprortionate salary paid to Wallin really hurts the ability of the Hurricanes to afford the game-changer power forward this team desperately needs.
Wallin
I dont get the “disproportionate salary paid to Wallin hurts the ability of the Canes to get the game-changer power forward the team needs” remark.
Wallin makes 1.7. He makes less than Corvo, Gleason, Pits and A.Ward——right where a 5-6 defenseman should be !!
GO CANES! Go Heels!
Wallin's salary
Given Wallin’s performance this year, I sincerely doubt any other NHL team in today’s market would want to pay Wallin $1,725,000.00. There are other younger, faster, more skilled defensemen available at a fraction of the cost.
TOP DOWN PROBLEM ILLUSTRATED
You are absolutely correct that the Hurricanes’ problems this year start at the top and work down. Here is a chart showing the accuracy of the point you made:
1. Brind’Amour $3,600,000 Cap hit $3,000,000.00 salary 18 games 2 goals 5 assists total points 7 +/- -14 NHL worst)
2. Aaron Ward, 2,750,000 cap hit, $2,750,000 salary, 18 games 0 goals, 2 assists, total points 2, +/- -12
3. Chad LaRose $1,700,000 cap hit, $1,500,000 salary, 18 games, 0 goals, 3 assists, total points 3, +/- -7
4. Nic Wallin, $1,725,000.00 cap hit, $1,725,000 salary, 18 games, 0 goals, 3 assists, total points, 3 +/- -5
There are a number of very talented forwards who would love to come to play for the Hurricanes for a $3,000,000.00 salary; or viewed another way, very few teams would pay somebody with Brind’Amour’s low point production and high +/- numbers $3,000,000.00.
The same analysis would point to the lack of productivity by Aaron Ward and Chad LaRose as being significant problems for the Hurricanes. I did not intend to excuse Brind’Amour, Aaron Ward, or Chad LaRose. In my view, however, if I had $9,000,000 of salary available to obtain talent, I would not spend it on Brind’Amour, Aaron Ward, Chad LaRose, or Wallin. Specifically, when Aaron Ward’s and Wallin’s contracts end this season, I would not spend over $4,000,000.00 to retain their services.
Yes, people are unfairly picking on Wallin because it will gain then some social capital with the in-group.
Look, when Wallin is on, he’s a pretty good positional stay-at-home defenseman. He doesn’t have the most graceful gait, but when he gets going he’s actually a pretty fast skater. A lot of people get frustrate with big European defensemen who don’t hit like Scott Stevens, but that’s not my complaint with Wallin.
He’s just been having the same problems some of the other vets have: he often looks slow and makes poor decisions with the puck.
by nomadologist on Nov 15, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Boychuk$$
So if Boychuk comes up for more than 10 games I know that changes his pro status but does he get more money. Is this why the dumb dumbs up stairs does’nt want him up?
Even John Forslund said he should be up on this team. Offense is the main problem, yeah we got three goals last night but thats just not going to win many games in todays NHL. You can only do that if you have a top goalie which we definitely don’t have even with Cam Consistant Ward.
This week I expect some big moves, I expect it not to be the best deal ever but will start dumping some of the dead weight. I hate to see this because I really like the players we have, they just don’t play well together.
Someone the fans really like will be gone this week, and thats sad. Here’s to the new start and rebuild for next season. If we can finish in front of the Caps next year thats all I ask and that would be nice.
So, all my teams suck!
The problem is the the main pieces that need to be shed can’t be. Rods here “until death do us part”. Wallin is too. Gonna have to cough up a player that has skill or at least potential if you want anything in return. The only other option is to ride it out and let the chips sort themselves out.
I’m starting to think that just riding it out until there is an opportunity for a good trade or the deadline hits is the way to go. Don’t throw good money after bad.
Someone on here once told me they have a plan B. I believe they are/were wrong. JR rolled the dice and went all in. I would think dumping a few players for salary purposes and getting a draft pick may be the best way to go.
Matt Cullen is about my favorite Cane. That said I think he and A. Ward would be an attractive package to several teams. Give ’em up for a prospect or a draft pick and bring up my kids and evry Rat we can fit.
Then ride out the shit storm and sort it all out next summer. We will obviously not have to worry about the PO getting in the way of our club, but some others may need hired help and allow a move to be made.
I dunno, be careful is what I would advise JR. He wasn’t until now, but it is more critical now.
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Yes I remember the Plan B comment.
As near as I can figure from yesterday’s most excellent salary analysis, Plan B looks like: Put high-dollar veteran on waivers and hope someone takes him at half salary hit.
by drifterscape on Nov 14, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I made the statement that there they had a Plan B all along, not because I have inside knowledge, but because a business ALWAYS has a Plan B (and more contingent plans than that single letter). Mine does, and it’s nowhere near the size of Gale Force.
But, what seems to be missing is the appreciation of the amount of time needed to arrange trades. Plan B plays out between “now” and the trade deadline date. It will not be executed by next week sometime.
It takes two to tango and many potential trading partners are only now beginning to perceive and define team needs. We’re only at the 20-game mark in the season. December is usually the opening of trading season, with the real deals right before the deadline.
Patience. GM’s at work.
I trust JR to have us as strong as ever by next season. That’s a bit optimistic so maybe it takes two years. Happens to all teams except Detroit it seems.
But I have a hard time imagining him looking for the file where it says “If player 1 and 2 are injured and players 3-20 basically suck, And you have 0 cap.space, Then do the following….”
by drifterscape on Nov 14, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Drifter I’m gonna throw you a bone and assume…you are young.. From the mid 70’s give or take until the mid 90’s Detroit sucked. Been a fan of the Wings since i was born there. They got Yzerman in the mid-late 80’s and that was looking good. Then slowly, they learned from all the years of mistakes. It took half of Stevie Y’s career to get a winning team.
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I’m actually 5×. But yeah I only dabbled in hockey until 1999 when ’Canes arrived. Been my religion since then. Although I did seen a game in Montreal in 1988 and saw Gretzky play once in ’89. Never lived where there was a team.
My “year or two” to rebuild comment is based on recent history of Washington , Boston, Pittsburgh etc, who all fell Hard and rebuilt relatively quick.
by drifterscape on Nov 14, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha. Detroit was a bad example. They are a recent dynasty. I was born in the mid 60’s in Detroit (ya old goat!!). Hockey was the religion, but we didn’t have much to cheer for. I remember the losing and hate reliving it. By the time Detroit got there shit together I was over seas and got the info. By the time I got back to the states and they were winning I was in Raleigh. Had some some nice times in the 90’s, but I wasn’t a home town fan anymore. Then the Whale kicked and Canes were born. I had a new chance.
That’s why I seem kind of bitter and negative. I just want the home team to win.
Shit now I live 3 hrs away and I’m pretty sure Roanoke Virginia ain’t getting an NHL franchise in my life time.
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Born in Detroit, eh?
That explains A LOT!!!
(calm down… I’m kidding)
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Elsker, I luv ya!! But, you just confirmed the fact, that GF had no plan B. A possible/potential future trade? WTF? It’s impossible to define who’s going to be available, let alone when, outside of FA. They blew it dude. Hoping on Hail Mary trade isn’t a plan B it’s an “oh shit”.
This ortg. bought into this roster hook, line, sinker and tens of millions of dollars.
And they were wrong. No rational intelligent force would allow a quarter of the season to go by with out pulling the plan B. Instead we find ourselves in Oh shit mode. They are diff.
No plan B and plan A failed. One big mongolian clusterphuck.
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Plan A vs. Plan B
Love how you judge the success of a plan before it is even set into motion.
The details of how Plan A (vets lead the way to playoff, with adjustments/additions as necessary on the fly with youth stirred in at the end) fails are not necessary to forsee. All that matters is that the assessment is made that Plan A is not working (Duh! But suppose it were later in the season and not so obvious), so time to go to Plan B.
Plan B is convert cache of seven FA’s and any others deemed expendable into whatever assortment of picks/prospects/trades can be arranged. JR has a very nice pantry of role players for contenders that would fit into any locker room. This plan also lowers the salary hit on PK.
Net result of Plan A = playoff revenue and bought time for player development in the AHL
Net result of Plan B = gain in affordable assets under contract (ie. the “wealth” of the org) and experience for youth in key roles (not fourth line duty, as with a fully-loaded team) and lower salary budget. Rebuilding begins.
Let’s not bet against JR’s trading prowess, given the time to do so.
Paladin, he may be right. Plan B won’t work today because other teams don’t know what pieces they need and we are dealing from a position of weakness. Let’s get into December and see where we are… those UFAs get more valuable as time passes, unlike my 401(k) :)
A plan doesn’t equate to a vacouus assumption. Assuming a trade will happen is not a plan. That’s Branch Dividian math.
Look, I was the lone voice around here that said this would fail and the kids should be brought up. That was a contrary opinion that included a plan. It also allowed for plan C-Z. This plan A has us locked.
Sorry, not buying it.
this org. blew it and blew it in biblical proportion. They were over confident and now are paying the price for no plan B.
Wheres Legace in this plan? How did Sutter fit into it? Where does Boychuck fit? Why is Rod still allowed on the ice?
Plan B my ass.
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Sheesh. Glad you’re not in charge of my business…and that I am.
Well, have fun wallowing in that funk.
Personally, I see a very bright future for our team that just got marginally brighter by being able to stock up on youth this year via trades and draft for even further depth than we have now.
I owned and operated my own business for 15 yrs and what happens 2 yrs from now doesn’t equate, again, to a plan B this year for the Canes despite what out occupations are….
The facts too hard for you to swallow? Maybe still in denial?
Was in psychology for a spell. When one changes the subject and makes a veiled personal inferance there is a reason.
I say again, that there was no plan B, you have no opinion on the matter other than you say you own a business.
Myth Busters call that busted.
Hope business is good.
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and!!! Detroit is up 2-1 at the halfway mark!!
No funk here. You want a funk look at the RBC when the Canes are on the ice.
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Nope, firmly planted in acceptance.
Business is good, but only because I had a Plan B for just such a setting as current conditions.
Degreed in psychology, along with a second, more technical degree.
It’s ludicrous to assert “there was no plan B”. Pretty obvious that you’re just stirring the pot and enjoying it.
Busted.
We all just give Paladin a break around here, Elsker. Poor guy literally has no social life outside Canes Country so we humor him, like some poor orphaned 4-yr old. (Right, AP6? ;) ) (yeah – “stirring the pot” works too)
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well…ugh, cough, shuffles feet…umm, yup, guilty as charged for stirring the pot.
As for the rapper he doesn’t do anything for me……
As for a plan B, if you apply scientific method…..there is none. So torturing me with rap music will get you nowhere.
As an owner of a business how about the ol’ shit happens? Maybe they had a plan B and shit happened that nullified it?
Maybe we are in violent agreement?
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Can’t really say that plan B is a failure until it has been implemented. Paladin, i’ll be glad to admit that playing the young guys was a good idea, and that this team is old and slow. On the other hand, you need to admit that JR hasn’t even started plan B. Let’s all sing kumbayah and drink expansive beer while the season goes down the drain. Go Canes 2010-11!
Whatever….ex-pansive or pricey. This years a wash and no plan will help. So the thought of a plan B that would of righted the ship to get us to the PO’s (which is why PK ponied up mega cash) don’t float. 12 games ago is when plan B should of been implemented. We got Sutter. While I am tickled shitless he’s here, what do you expect from 1 kid in an old folks home? I can’t believe people are actually defending the actions of this franchise and have some form of hope they have a plan. Anything at this point is reactionary and quite frankly more like post mortem nervous twitches.
the seasons a wash. Nobody in any form of sanity drops this kind of coin on a year or team like this. This is not how you rebuild, this is how you piss away a ton of money and a season. Maybe that’s plan B?
Nope, i’m gonna hold my ground like I did all dam summer.
Not only was this org. absolute in it’s conviction they were correct, they were utterly wrong. Proofs been on the ice every game all year. The lack of a plan B is glaringly apparent in the simple fact that at the 1/4 mark of the season, they are still like fish out of water.
That’s what’s pissing me off. I can deal with all of the factors. I even appreciate JR saying he boned it. Now is time to rectify it and and maintain the fan base.
The players are confused, the fans are confused. Why? Cause the org. is clueless. They screwed the pooch in such a manner as to preclude a way out.
God didn’t smite the Jews this good.
JR screwed the Canes this good though.
Most of you are expecting some re-animation next year. Don’t. It’s gonna suck ass for several. Rod “the friggin’ anchor” Brind’amour is still under contract. Sunshine boy Staal even with Binky has pretty much been a none factor for a couple years now, minus a showing in the Po’s. Not to mention the exodus of FA that we will lose.
There ain’t that many Rats and we not only don’t have the picks, the draft ain’t deep and they all won’t be NHL level guys.
When all this actually sinks in lemme know.
This hole JR dug is massive and long reaching. Next year will have a few dynamic kids playing, maybe Staal and Wardo show up, maybe not. About a 1/3 of this team will be gone. Along with all our hopes this year, 10’s of millions of dollars and a whole season.
Plan B my ass is the battle cry I’m sticking with. Bring up the kids was a good one. Time to move on….hint….hint…
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One of the more interesting things in all this to me is that sucking this bad could actually be a blessing. Look at recent history. Tampa sucked, won the draft lottery and took Lecavalier. They then unsucked and won the cup. The Canes sucked, drafted Eric Staal. We then unsucked and won the cup. Pittsburgh sucked, won the draft lottery and drafted Crosby and Malkin (and Staal and Fleury). They then unsucked and won the cup. Chicago sucked and drafted Kane and Toews. They then unsucked and are now legitimate cup contenders. The Capitals sucked, won the draft lottery and drafted Ovechkin and Backstrom. Washington then unsucked and are now legitimate cup contenders.
The point is that other than Detroit, the quickest way to the top is by drafting high (and/or well), then striking while the iron is hot. This has worked in the recent past for TB, us, Pitt, Chicago and Washington. Buffalo also built from within and had great success, though we closed their window before the business side finally blew them up. It is a natural progression.
If we go ahead and let this season run its course (and finish dead last), we can dump a few assets at the deadline for picks. Then, hit the draft hard, bring up some Rats and build a new team around a younger mix of vets, rooks and draftees. Plus, using newly drafted players will cost a LOT less than paying for FA vets. This will leave cap room for making key deadline acquisitions for playoffs over the next few years, if you can get them there. Given the core we have (Staal, Pitkanen, Gleason, Ruutu, Cullen, Cole, Sutter, Boychuk, etc.), we should be able to get to the playoffs and make a serious run in the next 2 or 3 years.
Consider this current period of suckage as an investment in the future. Delayed gratification, if you will. But if we parlay it into a good draft, we will be back on top very quickly.
by East of Here on Nov 14, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Add Philly to your list. I believe they went from playoff team to dead last in East to playoff team primarily by their brilliantly fortunate drafting of Richards and Carter.
by drifterscape on Nov 14, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
The key is to sink all the way to the bottom and then draft all the way at the top. Being a middle of the road team will not get you an Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, Staal, etc. Of course, this upcoming draft is reportedly kinda weak, so maybe we have “sh*t the bed” by sucking this year, but overall, I think my point remains valid.
by East of Here on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t know about the “violent” part, but we are obviously in disagreement.
You seem to be in denial that an org could EVER have an alternate course of action in mind, if events didn’t deliver the result desired by their chosen Plan A. Sorry, but that’s just not realistic. Every org has contingency plans.
Furthermore, from what sense I can make of the rant below, your desired result of “Plan B” is to somehow or another get us to the playoffs, even at this late date. Not going to happen and that’s not what “Plan B” is all about.
It’s a simple flowchart of decision-making:
Prior to the trading deadline, do we A) look like we’re going to make the playoffs? If so, stick with Plan A and augment as necessary.
Or do we B) not look like we’re going to make the playoffs. If so, then implement Plan B, which is trade FA and other contracted talent to 1) lower salary budget to match reduced non-playoff revenue, 2) gain picks/prospects for additional youth and depth of a now rebuilding team, and 3) bring up the kids for some meaningful roles and ice time, now that some of the vets are traded and out of their way.
Good news is that we’re not going to get caught in a quandary around the trading deadline, thinking we MIGHT make it, when we actually turn out missing the playoffs in the last month or so. Instead, the decision path on the flowchart is quite clear.
It was not necessary to be able to predict the level of epic fail we have reached. Only to plan for the contingency that we were not playoff bound, whatever the reason.
Ok let’s walk through it. Let’s start with intent.
What do you feel the intent of the org. was at the say, beginning of the year?
Take into account the sigings, whether or not we agree with them and the amount of money invested.
Quid pro quo.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
???
Sorry, but I have far better things to do than second-guess history by going down some completely different fork in the road with you.
Have fun being a contrarian…but it’s not going to be with me tonight.
No offense, but it proves my point, you have no facts to support you and no ability to carry it through.. You’ve spent some effort tonight writing a diatribe here and there, but when pressed, you fail to come up with anything.
The org. on the other hand has demonstrated repeatedly a lack of foresight with no plan B, an absolute failure in results and the proof is on the ice every game.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Then if they’re so pathetic and inept, how do you remain a fan for so many years? WIth that chronic pattern of poor decision-making you’ve described, you clearly have no respect for the organization. Do you just like them because of your proximity to Raleigh? Pittsburgh, Nashville, Philly, DC – any of those seem appealing?
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
It impressed me how Bryan Rodney owned up to his mistake that unfortunately caused the loss last night. Have you seen Brindy or A.Ward own up to any of their mistakes? Rodney is a rookie, the others are vets. I think Rodney played a good game last night. I hate he feels he has to burden this loss by himself. If Wallin, A. Ward, Cullen, etc played as well as Sutter, Ruutu and Pitkanen did, it more than likely would have been a WIN instead of another Loss.
Live & Learn
This loss goes to Timmy and his tough guy act that gives up two goals. Rodney did have a good game and should’nt feel bad for passing up the middle when he should’ve went up the boards. He want do that again.
So, all my teams suck!
Tim Gleason is Goat of the Game
As much as I like and admire Tim Gleason, he is the goat of the Islanders’ game. A very, very mentally stupid set of penalties, from a player who really knows better. On the quest for the next Stanley Cup, this season is the part of the story, where there are treacherous ice-covered mountains to climb. Gleason has to learn from this awful mistake as part of his growth as a player. If he has to learn that lesson, I’d rather it be this season than in the seventh game of the Stanley Cup finals.
Yes, I remember Hedican’s stupid roughing minor with about 5 min. to in game 7 Cup Finals. And he was an old-timer. Some never learn.
by drifterscape on Nov 14, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Tim Gleason,
SHUT UP GET YOUR BUTT IN THE PENALTY BOX….. Even if it was a bad call!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
at least he showed some passion, some emotion, which is more than I can say for 95% of the team, bad judgement, maybe, poor timing, maybe, but if he gets pissed enough to score a goal every game, I’ll take the penalty…BTW who was on the ice for the PK?? No blame there?
His passion and emotion cost a goal… which is what we lost by…..
The true leaders learn to channel their passion and emotion into something good… I expect that Tim Gleason learned from his mistake…. But you can wrap last nights “L” up in Santa Clause paper and put Timmy Gleasons name on it…. because it belongs to him….
Gleason WOULD HAVE been on the ice for the PK…. but his ass was in the box….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Don't isolate a goat - bad move.
There are a lot more players who have taken stupider penalties at stupider times this season.
Pitkanen comes to mind – more than once. Staal too. At least it was very early and didn’t change the momentum when it was too late to get back on an even keel, like the Walker penalty in the Kings game.
Really. Give me a break – the guy has been the model of discipline and leadership this season (unless you fault him for the 17 mins he got for challenging Carcillo for boarding Whitney Oct 2). Discipline was not something I could say about him last season. Huge improvement in the primary weakness in his game.
The weirdest goal of this weird season bounces off the glass on the first one. And they were reeling like the hockey gods were hurling lightning on them again and they gave up the second goal. Who could have seen that? Whose “fault” is that?
Or Gleason scoring 2 goals in the last 3 games? Think about that? His other “Weakness” – no offensive upside. Got that one workin’ now too.
It’s got to be a total team effort. When you start isolating a player for too much passion, we’re really in trouble. Lose-lose. I think our problem is the players that don’t care/ afraid to try. Don’t fault Gleason, any more than Rodney for the pass that produced the OT goal. Take the good with the bad.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
And I’d even say that you can’t even blame him for the first goal they scored. I mean come on-it bounces off the glass and then falls perfectly for Tavares (who is also perfectly situated) to tap it in perfectly? They could try that a million times and maybe get it right 10. So throw that one away completely.
The second one, fine, blame him for. But he then redeemed himself by scoring to tie it up. Yeah it was a mistake and yeah if he hadn’t gotten the two extra minutes, we may have won. But you can’t say HE is the reason we lost the game. Players 1-21 share some of the blame as well.
And why were we a man down and let it bopunce off the lass?
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
That kind of goal was no less likely to happen in a 5 on 5. Reminded me of the bouncy boards when Leighton was in goal in the last regular season game vs NJD last April. Flukey.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
That goal is the definition of fluke. Unless the extra person would suddenly have made the glass less bouncy or thrown themselves in the path of the puck before it hit the glass, it would have happened during 5 on 5 just as often as it happened 5 on 4.
Or basically what HM said.
I know!: The fifth person would have effected what angle the puck was at when it hit the glass and whether it bounced straight back to Tavares stick or left right or straight up. (If you think Tavares somehow wouldn’t have been parked in the perfect position in front of Legace in a 5 on 5 you missed most of the Kings game)
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Or faulting A.Ward for the penalty that cost us the third goal. Plenty of “blame game” to go around.
GO CANES! Go Heels!
I like your line about not faulting a player for too much passion. Although mouthing off to the oh-so-sensitive ref might be more stupid than passion. So I kind of agree with both of you. I believe Joni had the same call against him earlier this year. It happens, but right now everyhting is being magnified. Sort of like the playoffs in a perverse twist of fate.
by drifterscape on Nov 14, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Gleason
Great points to consider. I suspect Gleason feels the worst of anybody and I also predict in his career he will not take a double penalty like this again. Gleason, Ruutu, and Whitney are trying to put the team on their backs and pull the team out of the mess. They are the rocks of the team. It was a dumb move by Gleason, but reflected his will to win and not defeastism or laziness. He’s just too talented and intelligent a player to let his frustration overcome his judgment. I have much less issue with the initial penalty. It wasn’t the best move ever, but don’t compound the problem.
In my book, he lost the horns with the tying goal in regulation to put us into overtime.
In a time when no one seemed to want to shoot, he put it on goal. Good on him for fighting back.
That’s leadership. He’s my candidate for Captain of the new Canes.
+1 – And Ruutu and Sutter as the "A"s
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
+1000000000000000000000 X 3
(One is for me, one is for Jen and the other is for Andrea-who I am assuming would all agree.)
Oh God too many Wimmin, don’t share your opinion or you will be castrated for sure….
Can’t help it.
Timmy blew it and cost us a game. 1 goal doesn’t make up for 2 against. If he wants to impress me, start making goals on a regular basis or shut the fuck up and take your stupid penalty like a man.
No way he has earned a C.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
You’re just jealous.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
C is for compost.
So, all my teams suck!
by canescup on Nov 14, 2009 10:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You got that right man.
So, all my teams suck!
by canescup on Nov 14, 2009 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK nitpicky thing one-he didn’t earn the extra two for talking. He got it for continuing to go after the guy (the name escapes me at the moment). Who by the way pushed right back at him-seems to me that should have been a penalty as well.
Nitpicky thing two-that was a really weird time for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Even John was a little surprised they called it that early. They normally let more go before giving the extra two minutes. I doubt very much Tim said, “hey you know what would be a blast? Getting an extra two minutes and potentially costing my team the game.” It was a mistake. People make them all the time. As long as they learn from them, you can’t hold it over their head for all of eternity.
Nitpicky thing three-so all someone has to do is score and take their penalties like a man in order to impress you? What about being a leader? What about taking responsibility? What about stepping up their game when it’s needed the most? Seems to me that Tim has done all these things time and time again.
No CG, he made a high hit on Tavares and then pushed and talked shit to at least three other players on the way to the box.
He screwed up bad.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
I’m 99.9999999999999% sure the other guys pushed and talked back at him Paladin.
I’m not arguing he screwed up, but if we ruled out every guy as captain based on one screw up, the only people in contention would be…no one.
If push back = laughing at him, then yes.
So, all my teams suck!
by canescup on Nov 14, 2009 10:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fine, Tim went after everyone on the ice. In fact, he then skated over to the bench and punched every Islander in the face.
Come on. They didn’t just stand there and take it. They skated with him, they talked back at him, they gave a few swings in his direction.
It looked more like they were laughing and giving him kissy faces, I just didn’t see any swings back his way.
So, all my teams suck!
by canescup on Nov 14, 2009 10:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
CG, you apparently missed it. It was a disgusting laughable thing. He looked like a dork. He got called for a bad hit and then was just a chilish moron on the way to the box.
Nobody pushed him back, he just looked like a desperate fool.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
She and I were sitting at then end of the rink, directly behind the net and less than 50 feet away. We saw it – really.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I did not miss it Paladin-I was probably close enough to read his lips. I think that you’re taking out the anger and frustration for a whole season on one guy in one game making one mistake. And that’s just not fair.
Y’know what CG – It’s late on a Saturday night, and arguing passionately with 2 (or 3 since Jen seems to be popping up now) women is about as much fun as he can hope for. Let’s quit entertaining him.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
OK Mrs. Seuss
Timmy got the call because he kept skating to each Iylander asking them to dance. Each time they laughed in his face so he went to the next player. All three girls I mean players didn’t drop their gloves. He looked desperate for a date.
So, all my teams suck!
by canescup on Nov 14, 2009 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you’re misrepresenting how far out of his way he went. The extra two came on the skate to the box. Islanders kind of collected around him as he went on. He didn’t get the first two and then run around the ice trying to pick fights. They came to him just as much as he went after them.
And it was pretty much Standard operating procedure since the beginning of hockey for when a big hitter goes after the new hot rookie. Lots of testosterone and talking junk.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well said, CG. Funny how they think we consider these guys “hot” because they’re “Cute”. Women don’t find attractiveness with their eyes (as I believe has been shown to be 90% of the input on men selecting women). Sutter, Ruutu, Gleason are way far from ever being GQ covermodels. (that would be several other players who get featured weekly in the fanshots) We admire these guys because they’re strong and reliable and responsible. (you can file that under “what women want”)
This dumping on Gleason for the call in the firt few minutes of the game last night is pathetic. You’re compensating as much as the ref was. Move on guys. That dog don’t bark.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Woof! woof!…….Hey, did you hear something?
So, all my teams suck!
by canescup on Nov 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you HM. I’m glad I’m not the only one willing to see that one mistake does not make him unworthy of being captain.
Fine tell Timmy to get in line because we all know Staal gets the ‘C’ after Brindy dies of old age on the ice 20 years from now.
So, all my teams suck!
by canescup on Nov 14, 2009 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Disagree, PK should not allow 2 goals
What Gleason did was stupid, but blame has to be assigned to PK. They should not allow 2 goals in double minor, no way. NYI have 21% power-play, that is 1 goal in five chances, not 2 in 2.
The bottom line is that some penalties will be taken, and PK has to kill at least some of them for the team to have a shot at winning.
If he is one of our best penalty killers…. it is his obligation not to take extra penalties….
you can’t kill penalties if you are in the box….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
He’s also an enforcer and a physical presence. We need that bad. Was the boarding outrageously flagrant and undisciplined or just a ref trying to establish control of the game early…?
Not like it was a holding or tripping like you’d see from the lazier side of the roster when they find themselves on the wrong side of the puck.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Fabian Brunnstrum
Here are the SBNATION on Fabian Brunnstrum if anybody is interested:
Fabian Brunnstrom
Dallas Stars #96 – Right Wing
Born: 1985/02/06 Age: 24
Height: 6-2 Weight: 203
Place of birth: Jonstorp, Sweden
Seasons: 1
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Scouting report:
Scouting Report
Assets
Has good NHL size and blazing speed. Can put a lot of pressure on opposing defenses with his skill and can also score highlight-reel goals.
Flaws
Lacks consistency, especially in terms of his commitment to playing defense. Needs to shoot the puck more and keep his game simple.
Career Potential
Flashy scoring winger.
Eklund link:
While it is suspect seeing as it was Eklund the Stars actually have made it public they are shopping Brunnstrom. They just have no room for him on their top-6. He is a young (24 years old), fast, and very offensive left winger making $2.4 million this year. He scored 29 points in 55 games as a rookie last season, is a RFA at the end of this season, and was the 3rd player in NHL history to score a hat trick in his first game as a rookie. He has some serious potential on a team such as ours that would give him a shot at top 6 minutes.
I really wouldn’t mind seeing him swapped out for Cole. He is young and fast and that is what we need to become.
Brunnstrom for Corvo? Brunnstrom for Cole? Brunnstrom for LaRose and Draft pick
I have a lengthy list of potential power forwards that I hoped the Hurricanes could try to get. Brunnstrom was on that list (along with about 37 other potential power forwards). All in all, I would rather see a Brunnstrom for Corvo trade than a Brunnstrom for Cole trade. From my perspective, the Hurricanes need to increase the team speed and size. Cole has speed and size — even though he is not finishing well. Corvo is in the final year of his contract and although he is playing well, it is not clear the Hurricanes can re-sign him. I don’t know why Cole would be attractive to Dallas unless they plan to use him on a third line.
I agree
I’d rather see Corvo go then Cole at this moment. The only problem I see is our defense is bad enough right now, while I’m not a huge Corvo fan he looks really compared to Ward/Wallin. I’m real glad to see Rodney getting the minutes he deserves, he is playing great (not to mention he is taking those minutes from Ward). It would be real nice if we could dump Larose and Corvo on them for Brunnstrom and a pick or defensive prospect.
he’s not what this teams… we need more consistency!
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Nov 14, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Does Dallas need a Veteran stay-at home Dman with a couple rings? Last name Ward?
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 14, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Key words: “Stay At Home”
Because he hasn’t shown up to any hockey games this season…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
LOL… he is 24 years old… that may be a little to young for OUR team….. LOL
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Brunnstrum
He will fit in with us real well if he "lacks consistency in commitment to play defense, and needs to shoot the puck more and keep the game simple ! "
Just like the rest of our guys !
GO CANES! Go Heels!
Well if so is saying that then I would ban on the opposite
by wylde4canes on Nov 14, 2009 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stupid iPod if ek is saying that bank on the opposite. He is a fraud
by wylde4canes on Nov 14, 2009 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eklund link? Please Jim Rutherford, please find a team that will trade us a big, agile power forward with something of a mean streak (on the ice not in the locker room) who trucks to the net like Bryan Rodney was doing against the Islanders.
There’s this tweet on Twitter.
And this from his latest blog entry:
The Penguins and Hurricanes have serious interest in Fabian Brunnstrom. I wouldn’t be shocked to see this deal go down sooner than later despite reports to the contrary. There is, and has been, a ton of posturing going on for the last week or so already. Dallas is playing hard to get here, but teams won’t stay hot for Fabian for too long. There are more question marks about Brunnstrom than knowns at this point and there is only so much you can ask for a guy who you obviously don’t play very much yourself.
wow.
these guys are playing like a team that hates their boss. perhaps a management overhaul can make ’em a bit more sparky???
by zenhockeystick on Nov 14, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, I have a feeling Jim Rutherford is going to be GM of the Hurricanes until he decides to retire.
by nomadologist on Nov 14, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
A.Ward Limping
He’s probably limping from getting his arse chewed out so much on this site and hopefully from staff.
I had a dream last night....
that LaRose got traded.
He got traded for a player that dosent exist though so I cant give any news there….
It was a guy that looked like an extremely alcoholic Scott Neidermyer…. and he played for Anehiem too…
weird dream.
by packpigskinfan25 on Nov 14, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions
LaRose did get banged up last night. near the end of the game he went down hard and looked like he turned his ankle. He did come back into the game but he might need some maintenance today.
GM of CanesCountry.com
…or maybe he’s being traded for the drunken Niedermayer…I’d take him.
by outlander_caniac on Nov 14, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Last night was the best game I’ve seen out of LaRose all season!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I still like Cory’s idea of trading with Chicago. They’ve got youth and a long term cap problem, while we’ve get experience and a one year cap problem. Trade a couple expiring contracts (Whitney and Corvo) for some proven young talent and a pick. Barker or Versteeg would be ideal.
Still not a crook!
Yes, but I doubt the “and a pick” part. They’ll need their pick if they don’t resign their acquisition.
by drifterscape on Nov 14, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Thoughts. He gives up 5. First 2 periods. Fans blame coach and some D-man.
Dreams.
Mike struggles and gives up early softie. Finishes strong. Canes win. MIke gets hot and goes on to be Vezina finalist. He struggles early in playoffs. Cam takes over, but Canes lose on a bad penalty call late in Game 7 to Chicago in Finals.
by drifterscape on Nov 14, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think we should trade Leighton and Legace for a good goaltender and call up Peters until Cam comes back…
Leighton, Ward, Legace… Hell… Put Trip Tracy in the goal… it can’t be any worse….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t think the goalie is the problem. we were losing with cam, right?
by zenhockeystick on Nov 14, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Leighton -- Another Ugly Loss
I really, really hope I am totally mistaken and will be ridiculed unmercifully about my mistaken views on the subject following a Leighton shutout and a 8-0 Hurricanes victory tomorrow. I think Leighton will be a disaster and will give up two to four crazy soft goals. I hope and wish it isn’t so. Maybe Leighton will use this opportunity to show those like me who doubt he is an NHL goalie that we are completely wrong about him.
At this point we have three goalies all not playing very well. This along with no offense is a recipe for disaster. We might as well let Leighton play just to see what he can do, not gonna hurt now. Until JR finds a way to pull up some of our younger guys and dump salary the winnless streak will continue. Actually I prefer LOSING streak.
So, all my teams suck!
May as well let Leighton allow 5 more goals on 20 shots…. screw up his confidence some more….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 14, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
What we need is more size down the middle. Staal and Sutter is a good start. But there is one man who would put this team over the top. He’s a winner and has the Stanley Cup ring to prove it. That man is…
…Joe Vasicek!
by nomadologist on Nov 14, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
That is truly funny. And, given our history, sadly possible.
by East of Here on Nov 14, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
You know my feelings on Big Slow Worthlessczech, Bob…
by East of Here on Nov 14, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Are Tripp and Gleason going to fight at the Sunset Grill next Thursday? I think it would be cathartic to the entire fanbase (and Gleason) to see Tripp get his ass kicked. Sorry, Tripp, but you need to take one for the team. I’d also suggest that you please wear a black and white striped shirt.
thoughts on larose
I love the guy as much as the next fan, but throughout his entire career I’ve had one huge concern with him.
Quite simply, he can’t shoot.
I love his energy, and of all the players on the team, he always ends up with the best chances (open shots, shots from the slot, etc.) but he NEVER scores on them. I just dont get it. I understand that he was originally touted as an energy guy, and he is great for that, and his energy leads him to these great chances, but can somebody please teach him how to shoot??
As soon as he gets traded, somebody on his new team will teach him and he WILL be a 20 goal scorer
Finishing in general
One of the biggest problems on this team is that we simply don’t have any finishers outside of Staal and maybe Ruutu. Lot’s of great energy and set-up guys, but for a team like that to score goals you really have to roll your lines well and build upon the previous shift. Right now we aren’t doing that, so scoring is tough.
Staal is a great goal scorer, but even he needs help getting his shot set-up. No one on this team can break a game open by themselves.
Still not a crook!
He’s got no shot, but even worse, he’s got no hands. Every goal he’s ever scored has come down to hustle and the hard work to get to where he needs to be. I’ve said this before, but I like LaRose as a PKer and 3rd/4th liner, but not as a top-six winger. He’s got the work ethic, but not the skill.
by nomadologist on Nov 14, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Finnishing
Wouldn’t we add Whitney to the “finishers”, along with Staal and Rutuu?
GO CANES! Go Heels!
Satellite Hotstove on Hockey Night in Canada (11/14/09)
[Following a discussion as to why it is not the right time to be trying to trade Giguerre (can’t get full value this early in the season)]
Mike Milbury: Same thing as is facing Carolina. I mean they’ve lost 13 [sic] straight. That’s incredible. Sooner of later, I think you’ll agree (gesturing to Pierre LeBrun) they’re going to have to pull the pieces apart and start all over again.
Pierre LeBrun: Oh, it’s going to happen. I think in the next few weeks Jim Rutherford will start to putting some veteran players on waivers and see if anyone will bite. They’re going young. They know the season is starting to get lost. And, you know what? If you get a lottery pick next year and add that to the core of Staal, Ward…Sutter? (nodding) Not too bad.
Ron MacLean: And Paul Maurice doesn’t have to worry?
Pierre LeBrun: I think he’s safe right now.
I think Maurice is safe for now, b/c we are still paying Lavi. How can we pay for three head coachs?
GO CANES! Go Heels!
Well they could start by raising the price of a large beer to an even $20 .
by drifterscape on Nov 14, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Lottery Pick
It’s a great assessment of the Carolina paradox. A lottery pick and a few trades totally change the Hurricanes’ landscape and for the better. Adding a top tier draft pick, and especially if the Hurricanes get a top three draft pick, to go with Staal, Cam Ward, Ruutu, Sutter, Pitkanen, Jokinen, Gleason, Boychuk, Bowman, Rodney, McBain, Carson, etc. and the future is very, very bright. Consider, too, the strength of the team if Cullen and Whitney can be retained. Odd that in today’s NHL, losing badly can be a blessing in disguise for the long-term development of the franchise.
now you got me wishing…. this team would look pretty darn good
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Nov 15, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
"there's always next year"
Need to add Cole, LaRose, TKO, Alberts because their contracts are still there. Maybe bring back Seidenberg (wink!) if Corvo goes. Walker will be back too I think.
The future is very very bright. This has all the signs of moving into “acceptance”. I think we’re there. (Not sure about the management and the team though). Not a bad place to be.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 15, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
My best bet about who stays
I am guessing that Cole, Kostopoulos, and Alberts will stay. I am guessing that Corvo is traded. I suspect either Seindenberg or Babchuk will be signed, but that is of course a total guess. I am guessing Walker will not return. I have some tentative forward lines I projected for 2010-2011 that is pure speculation. It includes Taylor Hall and Fabian Brunnstrom.
2010-2011 Hurricanes Depth Chart
Zach Boychuk Eric Staal Taylor Hall
Tuomo Ruutu Brandon Sutter Brunnstrom
Jussi Jokinen Matt Cullen Eric Cole
Taylor Pyatt Rod Brind’Amour Kostopoulos
Taylor Pyatt
Taylor Pyatt is an affordable pickup if the Hurricanes are able to trade LaRose, Walker, and Corvo. I put him in the mix because I believe the Hurricanes probably have considered him among the then available free agents.
get rid of dead wood!!!
after reading these posts, why in the hell do we pay the dead wood vets we pay to do jack shit? they don’t score. don’t assist. don’t prevent goals. and the stars on the other teams playing well are the young guns just outof the ahl or from europe. our vets SUCK for the most part. how in the hell do they make those salaries and can’t score for nought. get rid of them now and get us some young ’uns like sutter who actually freaking scores and busts his ass. jesus.
Ummm. We don’t get rid of them because they have contracts that are legally binding.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 15, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
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