Epic Fail: Thrashers 6, Canes 4
by Bob Wage on Nov 28, 2009 12:15 AM EST
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The Carolina Hurricanes dominated the first two periods, jumped out to a 4-1 lead, and were cruising heading into the third period before they totally collapsed, allowed five consecutive goals, and lost to the Atlanta Thrashers on Friday night by a score of 6-4.
The Canes looked about as good as they can look in the first 40 minutes. They generated scoring chance after scoring chance. They peppered Atlanta goalie Ondrej Pavelec with a variety of shots. They played solid in their own end. But that effort was all wasted.
Instead of remembering the great play of Erik Cole, the perfect pass by Tom Kostopoulos to Matt Cullen for a shorthanded goal, and the hustle play by Stephane Yelle, fans will probably only remember how the team folded like a mighty mite team in the third.
Is it even worthwhile to talk about the first two meaningless periods?
The breakdown in the third period was about as bad as one could be. Most of the players after the game were speechless. Paul Maurice blamed it on turnovers in their own end, lack of skating, and a feeling like they had already earned the two points after the second period.
When asked about the turnovers the coach said that maybe it was "arrogance". But this is not the first time it's happened and seemingly absolutely nothing has been done about it.
While the coaching staff and players won't call anyone specific out by name, there does seem to be one common theme to most of the goals that were scored tonight. Number 4.
Here are the players who were on the ice for each of Atlanta's even strength goals:
- 4, 13, 16, 34, 41, 59
- 4, 13, 16, 34, 41, 59
- 7, 8, 15, 34, 36, 77
- 4, 7, 12, 14, 26, 34
- 4, 6, 12, 14, 26, 34
What number do you see most often? Aaron Ward.
Most were pleased when Jim Rutherford was able to "steal" Ward from the Boston Bruins for Patrick Eaves. Most of us wondered why Peter Chiarelli put Eaves on waivers afterward, making it look like they got rid Ward on purpose, just for a salary dump. And many of us wondered if their acquisition of Derek Morris in his place was really an upgrade.
The early return is that the Boston GM knew exactly what he was doing when he dumped Ward for nothing. And Jim Rutherford did him a huge favor by picking up Ward's 2.5 million in salary cap. But that's all water under the bridge now. The only remedy is to wait things out and hope he improves, or put him on waivers.
In his defense, Ward has been injured and it's hard to blame any loss completely on just one player. But there are some defensemen in Albany who would have had a much better game. Ward's -13 so far this year is the worst on the blueline, and that is probably no surprise to anyone.
For a complete rundown of the game, check this link.
Game Notes:
- Erik Cole had his best game of the year and looked like the Erik Cole of old. He had new found "jump" and created several opportunities.
- Tom Kostopoulos also played well, as did Matt Cullen. They teamed up for a perfect shorthanded goal, the team's second of the year. TK scored the first of the season.
- Joni Pitkanen was injured again and left the game after the second period. To say he was missed would be a gross understatement.
- The powerplay looked better and showed much more movement and purpose.
- The Canes allowed two goals in less than a minute again, the 12th time they did that this season. They also allowed three goals inside of three minutes.
- Rod Brind'Amour was called for hooking about midway through the second period and barely saw the ice after that. He finished with 6:06 of ice time, low on the team.
- Stephane Yelle scored a goal and continued to block shots on the PK.
- The team as a whole was not as physical as usual and only had 14 hits for the game compared to 30 for the Thrashers. Aaron Ward led the team with four.
- Eric Staal led the way with six shots on goal. Erik Cole and Matt Cullen had five each.
There is no rest for the weary as the Canes travel to Buffalo for a match with the Sabres Saturday night.
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Epic indeed. There’s almost nothing more to say.
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 28, 2009 12:23 AM EST reply actions
I got a list….
’course been preaching it since July.
Epic, utter, biblical, dismal, pathetic, oh the adjectives.
Utterly, completly, unfailingly, totaly, oh the adverbs..
One could go on, but my grammar and spelling “suk” so… “I’m a pot hole..K….bye!”
I no longer accept JR taking respo. One should learn from ones mistakes and make amends. All I see is the same old shit. A toilet is rather consistnt as to how it flushes. Eerily similar as to how the ’Canes suck and can flush any lead.
I have felt they went into this eason rife with blind stupidity and now I am sure.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Reversal of Fortune ?
Indeed. Now can we once and for all time stop with the playoff pretending ?
Get to Acceptance.
I can. Up until now I’ve held out hope that we’d turn it around. After being at the game tonight I lost that. The facts are plain and simple: This team is going nowhere.
by caniac4ever on Nov 28, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Is there any chance Brindy will retire mid-season? I love the man for all he has done for our team, but he shouldn’t be on the ice anymore and it’s gotta suck for him to end his career like this. I really feel bad for the poor guy, but what are the options? Maybe if Aaron would retire with him it would be easier for him???
In all honesty it only frees up his minutes (which would be the only good thing Rod is capable of producing this year…oir any forthcoming). The team is still on the hook for the coin. Rod is the deepest, darkest black hole in the NHL. He is +/- wise the worst player in the legue and has a cozy contract that is for all intents and purpose iron clad. I look to see if he tarnishes his career and keeps at it or ponies up and trades out or something to help this team. he obviously doesn’t have the ability to do it anymore.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
If he retires, the team is stuck with his cap hit since he signed the contract post-turning 36, but we don’t have to pay him the cash. That matters, especially since we’re obviously not getting that playoff boost to the bottom line this year, and next year was going to be rebuilding no matter what.
Yank the C and see if he takes the hint. It’s time.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
Brind’Amour only had six minutes of ice time in this game and only took two shifts in the disastrous third period. Can’t put this loss on him.
GM of CanesCountry.com
I agree here too. But he can’t like having this role on the team. A captain is there to lead. He can’t do much of that when he never sees the ice.
Brind'Amour a Leader?
That’s the point. To only be able to play a 39 year old, $3,600,000 cap hit and a $3,000,000 a year drain six to eight minutes a game; and not to be able to put that player in as the team dissolves on the ice speaks volumes. When that player is the team captain, how can the captain provide anything close to leadership. If your point is that Brind’Amour was not on the ice for only two periods during the third period that point is well-taken. On the other hand, what other team can people name who have a captain that deserves two shifts in the third period.
Don’t forget in that amount of ice time he took a penalty…
I think it boild down to the fact we have to pay, where does he do the least amount of damage?
I say strip the C and send him down or sit him in the press box.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
In defense of Brindy, I thought he was unlucky to get called for that hooking penalty. And I think Bob is right to point out that Brindy simply didn’t have anything to do with the third period collapse.
You’re correct that it’s a drain on the team to have someone who takes up such a significant chunk of payroll only play 6 minutes a night. I think this business of stressing “leadership” is a red herring, though. The problem last night was not that the Hurricanes lacked “leadership.” The problem was that Maurice decided to change his game plan in the third, and players slacked on playing team defense.
What good would stripping the captaincy from Brindy do? It would be a purely punitive measure with little positive effect. If anything, I worry that it might destroy what little confidence Brindy has left. Furthermore, who would you give the captaincy to? What player on this team deserves that role?
Waiving Brind'Amour -- what effect on the Cap?
Under the CBA, what would the cap effect be if Brind’Amour were to be waived. Let’s forget for the moment the issues of team politics, etc.; and consider the impact on the cap. I am not familiar enough with the CBA rules to know the answer. Does anybody know the CBA well enough to be able to speak to that question?
Well stupid me decides at the very last minute we should pack the kids up and head to the game (did I mention it’s a 2 1/2 drive?). What a freakin debacle! I can say the highlight of the evening for me was meeting CG & Andrea, and hanging out with my family, oh and Timmy looked really good tonight! Um, yup, thats about it. It’s useless complaining about who sucked more than who (A. Ward, you suck buddy, sorry) this dead horse has been beat time and time again. Maybe, just MAYBE someone will wake up after this HUMILIATING loss and decide it’s time to blow it up…
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
I’m really starting to feel this is a coaching problem. We all know we have alot of talented players but for some reason they’re not showing up. Maybe they don’t like his style, his attitude, or his ties but for some reason they don’t play for him. I’ve said all along that if they would’ve let Peter stay last year we would had finished the same way. Mo didn’t turn the team around last season the players did (maybe they felt bad for getting Pete fired).
A. Ward sucks
N. Wallin sucks
R. Brind’amour sucks
T. Gleason Hot and Cold
M. Legacy Hot and Cold
E. Cole Hot and Cold
C. Larose Lost
J. Corvo borderline suck
R. Whitney Fans a lot
B. Sutter Keeper
T. Kostopoulos Keeper
T. Ruutu Hits
A. Albert Hits when he feels like it
S. Samsonov just shoot the puck
E. Staal shoot first pass second
J. Pitkanen made of f**king glass
J. Jokinen Keeper
M. Cullen Keeper
S. Yelle waivers again?
What team would even want our left overs? Looks like were stuck with what we got unless JR is a miracle worker. Ok I’m done for now.
Amen.
A TRUE CANIAC......YES I AM........
by canescup on Nov 28, 2009 1:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The team looked damn near this bad last year before Lavi was fired — we just didn’t have the injuries to push the results from merely bad to awful. Last year once he was hired, Mo fixed the defensive screwups, but he didn’t have time to beat the offensive instinct out of players, and the result was an outstanding tear.
This year, Mo had time to do his thing. Unfortunately, we’re stuck with him for at least another season. Add the injuries, add a little bit of excessive loyalty from JR (one overpaid Cole or LaRose would have been fine, not both), add AWard turning the suck on full-blast, and here we are. 2011-2012 can’t be so far away, can it?
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
sorry but they never looked this bad under Lavi....no way no how!
Lavi was a winner he had much less to work with and still managed to produce wins, JR and PK refused to spend money to get players when injuries happened but Lavi won with 4 to 6 AHL players in the line-up down the stretch in 2008 with Whitney, Williams, Walker out long term and others in and out of line up.
Lavi has a Career winning record because he is a Winner! Mo has a career losing record because he is not a Winner (I am trying to be nice) just look up the bios and compare there Career accomplishments and records….there is no comparison Laviolette’s record and accoplishments speak for themselves…ironically Mo’s does as well and we are seeing what Mo hockey is for the second time. Laviolette should have been kept, his firing was all about JR and PK desire not about coaching ability…they set him up to fail by refusing to spend money on salary and by undermining him with team. Now they spend all the way to the Cap for their buddy Mo and he rewards them with most horrendous start in Franchise history and yet they will not even hint at replacing him what a joke!!!!!
Sorry I missed you guys tonight… Not sorry I missed another “Epic Fail”. Ugh.
greaticepectations.blogspot.com
by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 2:16 AM EST reply actions
Trade for Picks
It is time to take the “sacred cow” label off any player on this squad and make some pick trades and rebuild. Bring up the Rats and let us have fun watching the future develop instead of the past die. PERIOD THE END
Cane's
What is it going to take for the Hurricane’s to win a game? Last night’s game was blacked out in my area of N.C. and to be honest with you I was glad it was. Because I figured the cane’s would figure out some way how to lose the game, and I was not disappointed.
robert
I hope everyone in this organization from PK on down is embarrassed this morning. There is some kind of dysfunction going on that the fans can’t see, whether it’s the players tuning out Mo, being resentful of Rod having the C, or being controlled by aliens that won’t allow them to play 60 minutes of hockey. To play so well in the first two periods and then just to lay down in the third is mind-boggling.
There is no suggestion that has been on this board about retooling the team/coaches/seating arrangements on flights that should be off the table at this point. Knock out the bottom two rows of seats and make the rink euro-sized. Change the logo and the team colors. Don’t use a goalie and play with 6 forwards at all times. Have the coaching staff do ten push-ups at center ice after each goal we give up.
The thing that frustrates me the most (went to bed mad, woke up mad) is that we played our best two and our single worst period in the same game. Forslund talks about how fragile their confidence is — I call BS. PK talks about being .500 by Christmas — I call BS. Mo said post-game that maybe the players thought they had 2 points in the bag and that some of the turnovers were caused by arrogance — I call BS.
PK has to wake up this morning and see the financial bloodbath this season is becoming. Attendance under 14,500 last night on a holiday-weekend Friday without any HS football or monster truck pull to compete with. JR’s famous pimp-hand is now tied behind his back because all the other GMs know he’s dealing from a position of desperation.
So, after getting waxed by the Buffaslugs tonight and giving up 6 goals to Ovechkin on Monday we’ll be on a 5 game skid. I sense I’ll be waking up angry a lot as the season rolls along. Can someone fax me some acceptance?
Have the coaching staff do ten push-ups at center ice after each goal we give up.
YES!!!
You need to fax your anger to the players. We’ll try to scrounge up some acceptance for you.
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 28, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Have the coaching staff do ten push-ups at center ice after each goal we give up.
In their boxers and ugly ties
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
lol! nice!
I was thinking we could hang the coaching staff by mo’s ties, but your idea is even better…
we can throw shoes at them at the same time…
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 28, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
it was our end of the arena, person hit the protective netting, or it would have landed on the ice…
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 28, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Ah. I knew nothing landed on the ice. Did the man get his shoe back or did he have to leave the game like a drunk co-ed with only one?
not sure – I was under the impression that people that threw things on the ice (or tried to) got the boot from the game. but I never figured out who threw it, so I don’t know what happened
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 28, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Why is it when Pitkanen is out (which is happening a lot) We crumble?
Can we get ANOTHER Pitkanen? Because we need more than 1 defenseman to rely on.
You asked the question I came here to ask myself this morning. WHY does the team crumble when Pitkanen is out of the lineup? A. Ward needs to go. He is a complete failure. That was an embarrassment to see my team up 4-1 at the beginning of the 3rd period to lose 6-4 by the end of the 3rd.
Live & Learn
Nothing to add. With full respect to all we have the current which we paid for this summer.
All above is my personal opinion.
Thanks,
Andy_S
by Andy_S on Nov 28, 2009 9:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
will the shoe drop?
I am anxious for something to happen. Anything frankly. I was there last night. This was, by far, the lowest point for this team and the fans in this very dissapointing season. I have checked several sites all morning expecting some news other than lurid suggestions about Tiger’s crash and reported affair. Somebody tell me that the SHOE WILL DROP soon!!! One other thing….why is the RBC crowd so polite to this team? Other than section 328’s normal …M O hating antics, nobody seems willing to BOO this poor performance. Canadian and NE fans will absolutely let a team that is not performing have a full measure of verbal abuse in the press and from the stands. We are supposed to be the NHL’s best fans according to ESPN. Let’s be dedicated attending fans, but be sure they understand our pain.
by Caniac233 on Nov 28, 2009 9:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Epic Fail.....
Maybe this whole season is Obama’s fault. Maybe.
A TRUE CANIAC......YES I AM........
by canescup on Nov 28, 2009 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Get rid of Rutherford
It’s Rutherford’s fault we have Aaron Ward and Stephane Yelle. We should have kept Seidenburg at the very least. Corvo just doesn’t have the heart anymore and he only really played good with Dennis. :(
You may get strung up for blaming his holiness, Father Rutherford. They will tell you he is great, he doesnt suit up, he’s incredible,……….. blah, blah, blah will come the replies.
Personally, I couldn’t agree with you more.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 28, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
More Corvo
Everybody has their heroes and villains in this. But I respectfully disagree with your take on Corvo.
The guy’s played every game this year. Big minutes against the top lines. He makes some glaring mistakes but so does Gleason and Pitkanen and, well, most D-men on bad Teams.
And speaking of Pitkanen, the knock on him was he too fragile. Last year he seemed driven to disprove that theory. And I think he did. Which just seems to highlight what’s happening this year. Joni seems to get hurt a lot. The Joni of old ?
by drifterscape on Nov 28, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Corvo
Corvo never played with Seidenberg. Gleason and Corvo have always been paired together. Corvo was brought in as a offensive defensemen and he has turned out to be a steal. He is playing against the top lines every night and rakes up 25 minutes a game. From a guy in Ottawa who was buried alive to a guy that is playing top pair minutes. I’d say he isn’t the problem.. He was never suppose to be our #1 defensemen , Pitkanen is suppose to fill those shoes and if he is out of the line up for everything from being sore to a common cold he can’t be a #1 defensemen.. Yes I said common cold, he missed a game earlier this year for a common cold.
Now that the team doesn’t have Seidenberg and Babchuck there is a lot of pressure for pitkanen and corvo to provide offense.
rutherford is a joke
hey guys im new to this blog but have been a life long fan of hockey, born and raised in new haven, ct. so ive followed the whalers then the canes and i can tell you if it wasnt for the cup run in 06 and some dumb luck rutherford wouldnt have a job. everybody praised him in the off season for all these great moves, im pretty sure he was the genius behind the francis trade, and lets not forget trading pronger for a bag of pucks. anybody that thinks he has hockey sense probably has none at all
by the way great site with some great fans that support their team
i told you i followed the whalers, im used to heartbreak, at least you guys got to see the cup
by brassBonanza on Nov 28, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, yes, yes,…. please further educate my brothers and sisters as to how inept that blundering windbag has been over his entire career.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 28, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
what does it say about a mans evaluation of talent when he trades someone away ( Glenn Wesley, erik cole etc) just to bring him back to the organization a couple years later. all i want to know is when justin williams is comming back, hes putting up numbers in LA maybe he wants to come back
by brassBonanza on Nov 28, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Could you enlighten me with what years the Francis and Pronger trades were that you reference ?
Humpty dumpty sat on a wall.....
by drifterscape on Nov 28, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
i was ust researching that to make sure i was accurate, the francis trade was the gm before rutherford, the pronger trade was early 90’s, 92 or 93 i think
by brassBonanza on Nov 28, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Fact checking
Knew you were blaming JR for some sins performed before his time.
Francis trade preceded his watch by a few years (’91 vs. ’94)
Pronger trade was on his watch, but after Pronger’s barroom brawls and drunk driving incidents the year before, the trade for Brendan Shanahan probably looked pretty good.
You know, I just posted elsewhere...
…about how much this felt like watching hockey in the Mall again… and now I almost expect to hear Brass Bonanza when I see the ‘Canes take the ice. While Rutherford has made some major blunders, I don’t think ANYONE saw a season like this. In hindsight, Seidenberg was a mistake, but he did “take care of” the problems that EVERYONE was complaining about. Unfortunately, he was (again) shortsighted enough to ONLY take care of the defensive toughness problem. I guess he forgot about the aging players problem.
Hindsight is 20/20.
You're right, Paladin...
…I do remember you being a voice of dissent on this. I remember last season, though, the majority of fans (here and at the rink) saying the blue line needs to get tougher… and that would be all that is needed for this team. I agreed, and have been proven wrong.
I do feel the same way this season, though as I did when the Whalers would take the ice.
I also would like to see some of the Rats move up to the big club.
I was mad last night. This morning I am just…I don’t know if I have the right word. Embarrassed is close. Humilated seems too strong, but I think it’s more appropriate. We should be talking about all the great things that happened last night because those first 40 minutes were FULL of good things. That was the team that went to the ECF last year. Then the team that got swept in the ECF showed up for the third period and we ended up here talking about how massive changes are needed (even John agrees with us on this one).
It’s like the whole post-season last year wrapped up in one game – and like the end of last season, we get to go home and cry cause we just don’t understand what happened…
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 28, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
true – at the end of the season I was drinking heavily. Last night, I just cried…
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 28, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
As I was leaving last night, I saw a guy wearing a brown paper bag on his head that said “Mo Gotta Go”. We applauded him.
I think the paper bag thing is a good way to go. I’m not going to waste my energy booing or screaming and chanting negative things.
Humpty dumpty sat on a wall.....
by drifterscape on Nov 28, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s a bit harsh to point the finger so directly at Aaron Ward. Everything that has been said about his lack of speed is true. However, on the 5th goal last night, the forwards (specifically Eric Staal) simply didn’t backcheck. It was a 2-on-2 situation, and Gleason and Ward had it covered. Unfortunately Staal decided not to play defense.
A further point about Staal and coaching decisions. It’s been correctly noted that Sutter has been the lone bright spot for the Canes. Prior to Staal’s return a few nights ago, Sutter was up to about 20 minutes of ice time. But last night he only played 16 minutes while Staal played 21. I realize that Staal is the superstar of this team, but in my view Sutter deserved the 20 minutes more than Staal. For all of the offense that Staal can create, he is a defensive liability (see his +/- ratings over the past 5 years). On the other hand, Sutter plays very intelligent defense.
If I still lived in Raleigh I’d come stand outside the RBC and sell all my old shoes to people going in so they could have something to throw. That’s kind of like when I sold “black eyes” to people following Jeff O’neals OT game winner in 02 against the Leafs.
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
I think this epic failkure calls for flaming sacks of poo being flung (who flung dung?)
Just my .02
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Just like the flaming shit that flies out your fingers onto your keyboard? Just my .02
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
No more like that septic tank you call a mind…..Cock full of it!
Opinions aside, you can’t be pleased with the team?
Wouldn’t you like to see some things change?
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Wanting something to change and how to go about expressing it are two different things. There are people who would like to participate on this board that don’t want to see their favorite players bashed in the manner you employ. The change I would like to see is the players living up to their capabilities. I think there are injuries I don’t know about. I don’t necessarily think Mo is doing the best coaching job ever, and I don’t think Ronnie Franchise is the answer behind him.
I’m just not as angry as a lot of people are. I don’t understand the anger. I understand the hurt and disappointment, but why so much venom? This team has proven time and again that one bad season doesn’t necessarily transfer to the next. I hate watching these rapid fire multiple goals against them in under 2 minutes against them, but I don’t know what’s going on. It doesn’t make sense. I just don’t like the way you go about expressing your anger with the team. I think that if you are going to do it that way, then there should be no problem with me expressing how I dislike your manner of expression. You can take that all personally if you wish, but I respect you as a fan. I respect the love you have for the team. I just don’t care for the constant extreme negativity and “told you so’s.” It makes it hard to be a part of this thread and I want to be here.
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Not “this thread” but this board, is what I meant.
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
(and I don’t mean to imply that you don’t…)
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 28, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t take it that way, but why is anger the answer? Anger is usually a mask for other emotions. I just think expressing those emotions would be much more cathartic.
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
if you feel like it, puke and cry. youtube it and some clever editing showing it’s the Hurricanes fault would make it a classic.
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I would agree with you in most cases (I’m not a person that gets angry very often), but I think in this case it’s the only way to truly express how we’re feeling. It’s hard to type disgustedly without it coming across as anger. Same goes for frustration, disappointment, and in some cases embarrassment.
I think there are other emotions being expressed, but the internet makes it hard to get those emotions across without anger being read into it.
Well, I agree to an extent about how the internet makes it hard to read emotion because I am mis-understood often. I think anger is the intention in a lot of the posts I’m talking about, however.
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Well that’s really something only the person typing the post can decide. I just think it’s a slippery slope assuming things about posts when all you have to go on is a few lines of black and white text.
I think we’re also angry because as fans there isn’t a whole lot we can do about this situation. We are powerless, which breeds anger, frustration, depression etc… and there’s not an awful lot we can do to resolve the situation.
I’d rather lash out at the players/coaches/organization than at any of my fellow caniacs, and I’d prefer to avoid puking and/or crying…
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 28, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
And I don’t know why, but I think show throwing is an acceptable form of protest against their play. I think the message of unhappiness among the fans would be loud and clear.
Maybe it could be shoes for charity or something. Like all the shoes collected off the ice could go to people in need. I dunno, but a rink full of shoes during one of their patented collapses would be hilarious. I’m thinking about the rubber rats at the Panther games years ago. I think the rats were a positive thing while this would be a voice of disdain.
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Now, I can’t type today. “Show throwing” of course, was meant to be "shoe throwing. Dangit. I’m not bothering proofreading my posts today. Oh well.
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
In my case and I speak only for me, is because I saw this coming and whined all summer about it. So vitiolic words I use come from from many things. Being correct, being impressed in how badly I underestimated the failure even though I saw it coming, how complete the pickle JR created was from players to cap, the utter failure of our supposed “good” players (Rod, Staal and the like), the seemingly blind conceded eye the franchise took to the kids (Sutter, Boychuck, Rodney, etc.), the ignoring this systemic problematic heap of dung at least until now.
Look I’m gonna get yelled at and glared for the run on, bottom line, I hate a loser that doesn’t try to better themselves. I don’t see much of any effort on the teams part to fix the probelem of being last in a pack of 30. PK has spent a good pile of nickels and we deserve better as fans.
I agree my prose is abrasive, but it is also provoking. I think your last post is one of your best.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Well, as far as the kids go, I’m in total support of them staying Rats this year if at all possible even in the face of injury. The plan all along was to have them up next year and I can wait. I never saw this type of play coming but I’m not that surprised that it’s happening. Laviolette would have his teams stomp on the gas pedal with a lead. Mo has always gone into a “prevent defense” shell.
The franchise has a history of bringing kids up too soon and they are trying to go about it the right way this time. I support them. Some players are ruined coming up too soon and I don’t want them to take any chances. As a person who is never conservative in any facets of my life, this is one time I will be.
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
We are in total disagreement there. I don’t see how anybody can think sending one of the top goal scorers to Albany can in anyway help either Sutter or the Canes.
Maybe a topic for another day..
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
And thanks for the props, but I posted much better content last year in the playoffs. Especially on the Bruins board. ;-)
Love, love, love the 'Canes!
by Caniac Jack on Nov 28, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I’m guessing Pits is out for tonight since they called up Rodney? Lucky for him he doesn’t have far to travel…
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
would it even matter? sorry I’m in a pissy mood today
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
What did you think of Sutter last night? He seems to have been sucked in to the black hole. I’m thinking maybe he’s hurt, from the Dallas game, perhaps?
Hurricanes Hockey:
Never for the faint of heart.
Nor for the weak of stomach.
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 28, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
He crashed into the boards at one point and seemed to be wincing. Possibly his shoulder.
by Iggy Reilly on Nov 28, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn’t bad but he certainly wasn’t himself. He didn’t have the same jump he’s had in the past and looked like he was hurting. He couldn’t even avoid hits like he’s been able to. It was painful for me to watch. He didn’t get any PK time (that I can remember) although he was on the first PP unit with Staal for a while. Makes me think the coaches are trying to protect some sort of injury.
I watched via DVR this morning. To make it worse, I had the extra torture of taking a long “pause” at the second intermission to pick up a child from a sleepover. I was bragging to him how the Canes were up 4-1. The sun was shining; Hurricanes hockey was at it’s finest. Came home and hit resume. You know the rest. I have no words. Please see my signature line.
To try to make an excuse, I think they did play so strong and hard the first 40 minutes that they ran out of gas from the jet-lag Wednesday night. And Atlanta, sensing weakness had the talent to capitalize. In that sense it was a 20 minute encapsulation of the ECF series vs the Penguins.
I have no answers. I’m not mad. I never was daring enough to think they had a chance at the playoffs. I couldn’stand the disappointment. It’s one game at a time for me.
I do feel very badly for these guys, many of whom don’t deserve it. I want more from Staal. Is he really 100%? Hossa is out 2 months and returns against San Jose, the top team in the NHL to score 2 goals Wednesday. I think this is a problem of 20 players, 4 or 5 coaches, and a GM.
Booing at the RBC? Chip Alexander is describing JR’s predicament with dismay, no longer sounding like an honorary member of the Storm Squad.
This is new and totally uncharted territory for this franchise.
Hurricanes Hockey:
Never for the faint of heart.
Nor for the weak of stomach.
I don’t think they ran out of gas HM. I think they were already on the plane heading to Buffalo before the third period even began. They sat back and played not to lose.
It was either really loud and violent (the way the lockerroom sounded after the game) or deathly quiet.
probably a little of both, good thing its a short flight, imagine if they had to fly to the west coast?
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
Nice seeing you guys last night (caniacgirl… good to meet you)
Unfortunately… and don’t take this the wrong way…. That was the best part of the night…. because it was all downhill from there…
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 28, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Nice to meet you too! And no offense taken-it was the highpoint for me too. We were good luck for them in the first intermission, but I guess we got greedy there in the second. Lessons learned I suppose.
LOL… yeah…. I’m never speaking to you and Jen during intermission again… LOL…
I ran into my boss after I saw you guys….
And I had to go all the way over to 104 to buy nuts… which is not normal…
but these collapses go beyond superstition…
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 28, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hossa v. Staal
As to Hossa’s two goals, I would ask you to consider who Hossa’s linemates are and who Eric plays with.
Humpty dumpty sat on a wall.....
by drifterscape on Nov 28, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
well now that would depend on Mo’s line of the moment, changes so frequently no one can keep up
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
LOL. Funny and true. I think Staal played with at least four or five different guys last night and that’s not even counting the PP.
Our lines are more confusing than an E.E. Cummings poem…
by East of Here on Nov 28, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m upset with this team because we all deserve a better product on the ice. The maddening thing is is that all of these guys on this team either know how to play or how to coach a team. The funny part to that is that neither side is showing up for their job. Who can you blame for the lax third period here? Coaching? Players? There is no quick fix to that problem or to this entire crapshoot of a season and pointing fingers is a waste of time anymore.
I simply do not understand how a professional team can just sit back and let 5 goals happen, but that occurs every year for numerous other hockey teams. Only difference with us is that we happen to be the worst team in the league and we are all frustrated as hell because we know they can play better than this.
I think we all need to just look forward to next season and hope for the best. Unless JR does something super drastic, such as firing Mo and recycling Lavi (crazy, but hell it’s JR), Mo will be back next year. The only thing we can hope for is that it is the players fault as to why we are doing so bad here as of late, because the coaching staff will largely be the same as this year. If it is the coaching, then God help us all.
And if any of us need advice on how to handle a losing, basement feeding season, might I suggest talking to a NY Islanders fan? Granted they are winning now, but how bad seasons did they have?
Member of Canes Country and the Cat Scratch Reader
I didn’t get to the see this game, I just got a text from my friend that said “This team befuddles me.”
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions
You should consider yourself lucky-I would have willingly given up watching the first 40 to avoid having to see the last 20. The losing part wasn’t the heartbreaking part-I’m used to it by now. It was the epic and utter failure in the third period that got to me. To collapse like that at home is just unacceptable.
I felt a microcosm of it just while reading the box score. Okay, up 4 goals to one going into the third…..WTF!?!?
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
That was pretty much the reaction in the stadium. I think we saw it coming before the guys did, but were still just as shocked when that fifth goal went up on the board.
It’s like we’re a 4 year-old whose big brother gives him a head start, and even then our tiny legs can only get us so far before he catches up and smokes us at the finish.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Or we’re the hare that decides we’re so far ahead we can just take a nap only to wake up and find the tortoise crossing the finish line.
Okay, that was a much more intelligent analogy. Thanks for showing me up.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe you meant “intention” and not “attention”? Yes, I feel better about myself now! :)
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ah note to self-don’t type and watch your football team massively fail at the same time. Or just proof read before you hit post.
No worries, it happens. I had a submission posted on yahoo the other day in which I said “consonants” when I meant “vowels”. Ouch.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
About halfway down the page, enjoy my embarrassment:
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wow I had no idea that was you. I love the jersey fouls segment. But leave it to the crack Puck Daddy team not to even notice. LOL
Yeah, the fact they didn’t notice either was some consolation.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Well there were alot of fans leaving after the 2nd period. Maybe they know something some of us didn’t. Maybe they know the Canes only know how to play for 40min.
A TRUE CANIAC......YES I AM........
I kind of wish I would have gone home after the 2nd period…
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 28, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
need to run to the store to stock up on liquor for tonight
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
+100 proof
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Looking Forward to Taylor Hall can ease the pain, somewhat
I find looking forward to Taylor Hall on the Hurricanes is helping to alleviate the pain and agony, somewhat.
????????
Why the F have they not fired Mo yet???? What are they waiting on?
Send his ass back from NY. They should have stopped him from boarding to start with.
I took a break from this crap this morn but was holding hope for a nice announcement this afternoon. No such luck.
Short answer?
He is the golden child. Oh, and the fact that they signed him to a 3-year contract at the end of the year. Suck or not, Mo is here to stay. Get used to it.
by East of Here on Nov 28, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
?????
Really? PK has the money and how he loses money this year is what is important. He’s gonna lose it either way.
Save face with the fanbase and lose money by pushing him upstairs. Serve $11 beers, whatever.
Mo’s salary counts against the cap. It is not so easy to remove him, even if they wanted to. Mo will be the last thing thrown under the bus.
by East of Here on Nov 28, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
!
Promote Rowe…..or bring Nolan in….he’s still getting paid by Islanders, right?
If we hired Nolan, then we’d be on the hook for his salary. Just like if Lavi got hired in the NHL, we’d be off the hook for his salary.
And we could promote Rowe, but he would want a raise, which would count against the cap. So in order to make room, somebody (player) would have to go.
by East of Here on Nov 28, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Just some input, the coach’s salaries do not count toward the player’s salary cap. The CBA is an agreement between the players and management, not the coaches. They could pay the coaching staff any amount they want to, and it has nothing to do with the salary cap.
I love the EE Cummings analogy though!
GM of CanesCountry.com
Thanks for the clarification.
But I would’ve sworn that the coaches salaries were somehow tied to the cap. Maybe I am mixing sports or something. If that is the first time I am wrong today, it still won’t be the last…
by East of Here on Nov 28, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
the Mo will not go my bro
Just not gonna happen. JR is not going to fire him. We suffer from a potential not met leading to leadership paralysis syndrome. If you were PK would you allow more spending on a team that has the highest payroll we have ever seen VS the cap? Would you go Obama/Pelosi and provide formless stimuli and try to spend out of a crisis? See it is Obama’s fault. If I see a “yes we Cam” poster one more time, I will puke and cry and throw the bucket on the ice.
by Caniac233 on Nov 28, 2009 1:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m stealing this.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I do a lot of photochops to stay sane. If I post them, anyone can feel free to use them. The only thing I ask is that you do not take credit for my work. You do not have to expressly credit me if you use it somewhere (as I do this for shits and giggles, not recognition or commercial purposes). But I’ve had people “steal” my ’chops and try to take credit for doing them, and that kinda pisses me off.
by East of Here on Nov 28, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Of Course, I just meant for my computer’s desktop. Nice job though.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I try to have fun with it, and hopefully make somebody laugh every so often.
by East of Here on Nov 28, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
hope and change
I guess we can play the blame Bush errr..I mean Lavi game and take no responsibilty for the current economy…err..I mean poor team. Or we can go on the world…errr..I mean…NHL apologize for America…errr..I mean the Canes tour. Or…we can dither for 100 more days leaving our troops…errr..I mean fans swing in the wind.
by Caniac233 on Nov 28, 2009 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hope and Change = Dump and Chase
This too will probably get photochopped at some point…
by East of Here on Nov 28, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
HERE IS AN IDEA
We have Lavi still being paid – Mo has 3 years – Brindy has 2 years
What can we do to make the best of the situation? Move Mo upstairs – put Brindy as head coach with Francis – give the “C” to Staal
Any thoughts?
Just one:
Give the “C” to Gleason instead.
by East of Here on Nov 28, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Why Not Slapshot
Reggie the player/coach. What the hell.
roddy
I know I’m a little late on the Roddy conversation, but he’s the nhl’s version of Brett Favre but with one team. His career is obviously over but his love for the game has made him blind to that fact. He was good back in the day but his glory days have passed. I think he wants to stay because he wants to play but knows we’re the only team stupid enough to keep him around. And yes Joni Pitkanen is definately missed when he’s gone. Actually anÝ defensemen that gets hurt and causes Aaron Ward to play more is greatly missed.
by Caniacinthestand on Nov 28, 2009 1:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
RODNEY CALLED UP
Just saw on Canes website that Rodney is on the way to Buffalo!!!!
And that’s because Joni is a piece of glass! And I hate to say this but Bryan Rodney did have the turnover in the defensive end that led to the overtime loss to the Islanders earlier this year…he’s got some of the team’s fail in him..
by Caniacinthestand on Nov 28, 2009 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think I’d like to see Rodney stay even when (or if sigh) Joni gets better, and maybe put A. Ward on the healthy scratch list. I hadn’t seen us actually score on a power play until Rodney got here.
by narwhalcavalcade315 on Nov 28, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Here's an Idea -- Dress A.Ward; But Don't Play Him
Here’s an idea. Dress Aaron Ward, but don’t play him and only say you did. Literally, it can’t be worse to have double shifting on defense as opposed to having Ward give up goal after goal.
I like the way you think A.Dog (do you mind me shortening your name to that?). Maybe a few of these suggestions could find their way into Mo’s hands after a game. Bob or Cory-you up for the task?
Wow that’s a good idea. We definately should do that to Aaron Fail Ward
by Caniacinthestand on Nov 28, 2009 2:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
There is such a thing as too much loyalty
I know a lot of the older players and the coaching staff are friends, but giving your best friends all the minutes is obviously hurting rather than helping. I know everyone was so excited to have Staal back, but I almost barfed when I heard about Sutter’s minutes being reduced so much in order to accomodate Staal’s return. Sutter and Ruutu are the only offensive bright spots for me, and I just… wanted to “have a little chat,” so they say, with the coaches about who they should be putting out there.
by narwhalcavalcade315 on Nov 28, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions
You’ll find no arguments here. The thread on Staal’s first game back was filled with outcries about Sutter’s dip in minutes with Staal, allegedly on the 3rd line, getting so many.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Be he had just over 12 on Staal’s first night back. It just goes to show that Mo isn’t working by any rules at this point, even something like “you earn your ice-time”. And I understand you have to look for any way to win when you are as low as we are, but at the same time if something or someONE is getting it done on the ice, it seems ludicrous to reel them back in and give a guy who has been out for 10 games more time.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Nov 28, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
My guess is that Sutter got pretty banged up during the Stars/Ducks slugfests, particularly in Anaheim.
Hence, reduced minutes that game (mostly in the third period) and back to about normal in the Thrashers game. But, yes, he looked like he was skating a bit tenderly to me, too.
It happens. So, I’m reserving judgment on the minutes for another game or two until some healing time has passed.
Don't improve
I think it would be bad the Canes to “turn it around” and scrap and claw their way to 10th place by the end of the season. This team needs some very high draft picks and a serious house cleaning (thank goodness there are 8 or 9 UFA’s) for next season. There are benefits to being very bad every once in a while. Just ask Pittsburgh, Washington, or Chicago.
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