Cam Ward Hurt as Canes Lose to Blue Jackets, 3-2
by Bob Wage on Nov 8, 2009 2:52 AM EST
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Not only did the Carolina Hurricanes lose their 12th game in a row on Saturday night, they lost their starting goalie as well. The team dropped the game to the Columbus Blue Jackets, 3-2. But just when Caniacs thought things could not get any worse this season, franchise workhorse goalie Cam Ward got injured as Rick Nash skated into the crease and cut his leg.
The injury looked pretty serious as Ward left a trail of blood on the ice as he was helped gingerly from the rink. The goalie was kept in Columbus overnight and did not return home with the team but is expected to return on Sunday. The team will release more information as it becomes available.
The hits just keep on coming for this team as all star Eric Staal is presently injured as well as leading scorer Ray Whitney. Erik Cole broke a bone in his leg the second game of the season and missed a month and number one defenseman Joni Pitkanen missed significant time already as well.
The game itself was not much different from others the team has lost during this never ending winless streak.
Erik Cole gave the Hurricanes a first period lead as he buried a one timer off of a nice pass by Matt Cullen. Zach Boychuk helped create a turnover on the play with his pressure on the forecheck. It was Cole's first goal of the season.
The second period was scoreless as both Michael Leighton and Steve Mason made good saves. But the Canes forgot to come out with jump at the start of third period and the Blue Jackets scored three goals in the first three minutes and thirty one seconds.
Turnovers, bad defense, and poor passing, the team committed every hockey sin they could fit into that very short time frame. But they did continue to make a game of it as Tim Gleason clanged a shot off the pipe and into the net at 12:09 to make the score 3-2. The visitors could not muster any other prime chances though and skated off the ice as losers for the 14th time in 16 games this season.
The team will take Sunday off and go back to work on Monday as they prepare for a game against the Los Angeles Kings on Wednesday night.
Game Notes:
- The Hurricanes laid another goose egg while on the powerplay. They had a 5-on-3 advantage for over a minute at the beginning of the second period on a fresh sheet of ice but could not generate a decent scoring chance and looked pretty bad while doing it. They have yet to score while on a 5-on-3 this season.
- Tim Gleason had a turnover to Rick Nash for the Jacket's third goal, but made up for it with his perfect shot from the point later in the third. It was his first goal of the season. Gleason went the entire regular season last year without a goal, but scored a big one against New Jersey in the playoffs. The team wants him to shoot more often.
- Brandon Sutter and Zach Boychuk continued to shine. Boychuk earned his first career NHL point on Gleason's goal and helped on the forecheck before Cole's goal. Sutter almost had another goal.
- Stephane Yelle was credited with six hits, double the next closest Hurricane.
- Michael Leighton played pretty well, under the circumstances. He made 19 saves on 22 shots.
- Depending upon the severity of Ward's injury, Leighton might get a lot of work in the near future or the Canes might look elsewhere for help. If management decides to stick with Leighton, look for another youngster to be recalled from Albany to be his backup, probably Justin Peters.
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Tim Gleason had a turnover to Rick Nash for the Jacket’s third goal
with that exception, I thought he had a great game, Sutter and Boychuk again were very impressive. The power play again a debacle, can’t even convert with a 5 on 3? C’mon seriously. Still not sure why Brind’amour is getting more TOI than any other forward, he only won 50% of his faceoffs during that game and had 1 sog. I just don’t get it. Leights made some pretty good stops but heres to hoping Cam heals vampire fast! and please don’t anyone say it can’t get worse because it KEEPS GETTING WORSE!!! UGH!!
I agree…..no more “well it cant get worse now”. Thought Cole played a good game as well. I think a lot of people bash Cole, but I believe he brings some important intangibles to the team.
Cole
Two theories on Cole’s recent uptick:
1) Always bet on the birthday boy, and Cole was just one day past that event last night.
2) Even more importantly, serving as Boychuk’s mentor and tour guide has re-energized Cole, reminding him of the statement he made with his play during his rookie year that he needed to stick with the team instead of being sent down.
Cole Revitalization
I think Cole has taken Boychuk under his wing (no pun intended). Also, Boychuk is even faster than Cole — which makes Cole able to sprint full out without being offside. It is great chemistry.
F#kin’-A I KNOW IT!!!!!!
Who knew that all this time Staal needed a binky…. that Cole actually needed a Binky too….
This is all too sweet!!!!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly what I was thinking about Cole. THis is a simple and very appropriate assignment for him.Erik: Mentor Boychuk. The rest will all work out.
I just checked that Albany doesn’t play until Wednesday. THey’ve won the last 2 games, w/out Boychuk and Sutter but with the addition of Harrison.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
So Sutter’s FO % was better than Brindy’s, Lil chuck chalks up his first point, good night for my kids. Yelle again is a waste of a uniform and water bottle. Rod looked like he was running in 3’ of snow. I know he’s trying, he just ain’t making it. Ruutu and Pits still look off. Cullen was off his game too. Again nothing terrible, just not at the peak. Binkly showed up. Some good hockey and good effort out of the forward core.
The D on the other hand is a cluster puck. Cam geting hurt wasn’t due to Nash as much as it was to pussy defensive play. Nash bowled through like a , well like a bowling ball and our guys exploded off him like kindling. Nash did what he is paid to do. Our guys didn’t and Cam paid the price.
For having no Staal or Ray, arguably our two best and losing Cam, it was a very good game. Time will tell if we can get everyboday back integrated and on the same page. I think the kids are critical to the teams success. Lil chuck had like 14 minutes and Suttsky had a couple more than that. You folks that are arguing to send one or both back down will be giving up at least a point a game. That’s what they are doing. They are also doing for alot less than anybody else, save Yelle who gets paid shit and isn’t even earning that.
That was another game we could of won, but for a lapse of effort and maybe some luck. I think Mo gets a glove tap for keeping them together after Cam took a powder. He’s about to face his Herb Brooks moment wednesday. Kopitar the Slayer (guess what he’s a kid, too) is coming to town, the Kings are on fire and are taking 2 points like Satan steals souls. I don’t think Staal, Ray or Cam will be in. I say that only because they all have had a good knock and bringing them back against this team could just get them right back out.
I also think that this will weed out the guys some more. lil chucks looking for a reason to rent an apt in Raleigh, Sutters looking for a house. You know Ray and Staal have a spot, so someones gonna have to go. See who brings it hard without the big guns. You know the kids are gonna show up.
I will say the Cam injury looked evil. I’ve had alot of stiches all over. Ain’t never had to be helped walk from a flesh wound. I am very worried about Cam. I’d also like to blow my own horn once again. I was yelling to get a back up goalie worth his weight in at least shit. If Cams down for any length, we got to have someone other than Leighton.
I’d be looking for an acquisition on Monday.
My .02 and worth what ya paid for it. It was another loss, but they played a good game.
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
I tend to agree Sutter and Chuck should stay but a point against it would be that theyre pro development is happening at the highest level on a bad team. This can have its setbacks.
Sutter yes. Boychuk still sticking with no. I didn’t hear his name much last night or notice his play that often. Now, I was watching the game with some friends so I wasn’t giving the game 100% attention. He’s got a lot of skills, but right now, he’s better served in the AHL developing those skills further IMO.
5 seconds left.
Do you believe in miracles?
YES!!
their pro development is happening at the highest level on a bad team.
But isn’t that what happens to all #1 draft picks? Maybe they’re not good enough to overcome it as successfully as Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin.
But even Stamkos, Tavares, Hedman, Duchene, EKane are having an impact…kind of how it works, I thought?
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Thats how it works but the objective was to let these kids develop in the minors. Now the Canes cant win a game so you bring them up for some much needed energy but the same losing results. What are they supposedly accomplishing if the minor league development was such a necessity? I’m not against it at all unless Boychuck ends up getting his block knocked off.
Fair enough. But we may not have the luxury to wait. It sucks. But it’s not the end of the world. Albany has problems too. Hockey careers, barring injury, can last 20 years. That’s long time. There’s a lot of learning to do.
Relevent piece from Puck Daddy on the development of Steven Stamkos
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
He got flattened a couple times last night, just like most of the rest of the team. He gained more exper. last night against real NHL level skill than he would learn in 6 months down in the minors. When you are as fast as he is, you don’t have to put the pedal to the metal in the minors, in the NHL he needs to see if he has another gear.
I still say no better place for him. He got his first point in only his second game.
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
Yelle again is a waste of a uniform and water bottle
Not only did he win 64 % of his FO he had 6 hits which is 3 more than the next best on the team. So I will disagree with with you on Yelle.
He Sutter and Rod all did well against a team that has only one FO guy. Just cuz he stumbled into more people than anyone else doesn’t impress me with any sort of hockey prowess.
Did you even notice him on the ice? I didn’t. Him compared to either of the kids is a hands down get rid of Yelle.
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
no offense but you act like we’re talking about late round draft picks. They were both 1st round picks and supposed to have an impact at any level. Spare me the, “I told you those # 1 picks were good” like your some sort of prophet.
Is it the fact I am right or have been the only one on this board saying it since August that pisses you off?
Or are you compensating?
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
no, its the fact that you keep wanting to let everyone know that you may be right….for once apparently since you are soo proud of yourself. Both of them are playing, and the teams still losing so if they should have been here like you say, for what reason? Are you saying they will develop better on the big squad because you will never be able to prove that.
I think the proof is on the ice. With the kids involved and minus the two best forwards they are playing better hockey as time every night they have before.
Pretty much period.
If it is so obvious they were ready, how come nobody else wanted to do it?
As for rubbing it in FU, I’ve been taking shit over it for 6 months, I’m due.
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
I by no means am saying he was our best on the ice, what I AM saying is there were those even more invisible…and I hope he can keep stumbling into as many as he can as long as they are on the opposing team..
P.S.
Jenni, that’s kinda the way I am looking at it. Somebody has to go to make the roster the right size. I think Yelle is the hands down first choice to be trimmed.
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
From Puck Drops’ Brian LeBlanc
He did go to Columbus and was sitting next to Chip A during Ward’s injury last night. He has a little more info (very little) about Ward’s injury than already out there. His take on the Canes is pretty depressing. If you’re trying to hold on to hope for he season, probably need to skip it. Good luck to you.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Actually, LeBlanc says this about Leighton’s taking over as #1 goaltender :
He’ll do what he can, but the best anyone can hope for is .500 hockey until Ward returns.
Anyone else out there beside me who’d be happy with .500 hockey?
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
For those who missed the game and want to see what happened to Cam, I’m putting the 3 min video owith the call by John Forslund and Tripp “having played the position” Tracy over in the Fanposts. It’s even harder to watch the second time.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
So I’m beginning to wonder who sold their soul for last year’s improbable run, and is now paying the price with the ridiculously bad start this year.
and is now paying the price
*looks at season tickets receipt*
Hmm… I think it’s me. =)
by Raccoon Fink on Nov 8, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
“Cam Ward in stable condition” : http://www.sbnation.com/2009/11/7/1120948/cam-ward (no real new info there, really)
Interesting
Carolina Hurricanes Canes reassign Zach Boychuk to Albany. Read more: http://carhur.com/242
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From the Canes on Facebook. I guess this means Whitney is good to go.
great…. whitney is good to go…. Trade him and keep Boychuck up…. damn it!!!!!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I hate that move.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
“Ward will stay in a Columbus hospital another day, Rutherford said. Canes looking at all options, including a trade or signing someone.”
“Jim Rutherford on Cam Ward’s injury and recovery: ’We’ll have to see how it goes. It appears it will be a fairly long period of time.’”
oh no!
The main artery runs right through there where he got cut, and there was a LOT of blood lost. Also, closer to the knee, you’ve also got several tendons and ligaments to worry about. Dude may be done for the year, depending on what got cut and how bad. Even if it only got muscle, he’ll be a few weeks. But from where he got cut, I doubt he only got muscle damage. But we’ll have to wait and see. They didn’t keep him in the hospital overnight just for some simple stitches…
by East of Here on Nov 8, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Cam Ward Injury
Given the nature of the structure of the blood vessels in the leg, injuries to legs carry risk of throwing a blood clot — and that can be fatal. If I were the Hurricanes, I would bring Cam Ward home in an ambulance when he comes home; and I would not at all be surprised if they do that as a precaution. It’s hard to find a worst place to throw a blood clot than on an airplane.
In terms of trading for or signing a replacement goalie, I really hope they won’t go that route. It’s time for Leighton, Peters, Murphy to man up and show whether or not they are NHL quality goalies. I would much, much rather see money spent finding a power forward with size who can solve the power play disaster. No NHL team can succeed if their power play is useless. All one has to do is envision all the Hurricanes games thus far this season and add a 19% success rate on the power play each game. with that one factor altered, suddenly the Hurricanes would have had a decent record rather than the travesty of a season we have all seen and experienced. If neither Leighton, Peters, or Murphy can play at this level, we know we now have three holes to fill: (1) power forward; (2) fast and large defenseman who can score; (3) back-up goalie who can rest Cam Ward without it being a certain loss.
Manny Legace?
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Oh Manny Legace…I’ve always liked him. Of course he’s about as big as a mighty mite, but hmmm…I wonder if JR has his number.
Manny Legace
5-10, 200 lbs,age 36, 95 NHL games in the last 2 seasons
Manny Fernandez
6-0, 207 lbs, age 35, 32 NHL games in the last 2 seasons.
Kevin Weekes
6-2, 215 lbs, age 34, 25 NHL games in the last 2 season.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Manny Legace is 5’10"? Hahaha and I’m a 6 foot redhead.
I’ve always liked Legace’s game. Fernandez is another one I like as well. I don’t know how much of Fernandez’s success last season was due to the team in front of him though.
Really? I’m a 5-10 redhead, so maybe you just got us mixed up.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
The same measuring stick they use for Ray Whitney at 5-10, 180, perhaps?
Actually I think the NHL scale starts at 5-10. If you’re short, they just round up.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
The great mystery of the NHL.
I secretly want Legace on the team just so I can get a picture of him standing next to Albe. LOL
In the video when they’re helping Cam off the ice in last night’s game, Albe is standing next to lil-chuck. Same idea. (eyeroll)
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Oh I missed that. I’ll take your word for it since I really don’t want to see it again.
Is lil-chuk his official nickname with fans? Because I am partial to what Cole called him-Chuckie.
I believe the nickname is evolving. We used lil chuk last night. Oh, and we liked Suttzy (with the letter Z) by the way…
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Kevin Weekes? He would be a reasonable backup…. he did good for New Jersey while Brodeur was down……
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Would Weekes want to come back under Mo?
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I have heard him talk highly of Mo on NHL network a couple times this season while the rest of the cast wanted to throw Mo under the train…. or bus… whatever you say…..
And He would probably sign for cheap because he isn’t making nearly as much right now as he would if he were playing…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
ice_chip Also saying Boychuk may be back Wednesday. Nothing like jet lag to help his game.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
If he does come back up (and he shouldn’t have left in the first place) in three days, that’s the dumbest move this team has made yet.
maybe it’s about roster numbers. Maybe he doesnt ever get on a plane. No practice till tomorrow anyway. Maybe he needs to get some stuff for the move to NC. Maybe Mo and JR have seen the light….
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe the whole front office and coaching staff have decided alcohol is the only way to get through this season and their decision making reflects that.
Sorry that was a little harsh. I’m a touch cranky this morning. Not nearly enough sleep. I lost my voice at the game last night and think I may have caught a cold or something.
We’re all in shock, GF. You’re good.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think my acceptance of how badly the team is playing just regressed into depression with the Cam stuff.
I would really like them to give us the real story on the injury, but at least we’re getting enough info from Rutherford through Chip to know it’s bad. That’s probably all we need to know.
Y’know yeaus, I really think the injury to Ward qualifies for it’s very own “cycle of grieving”…… this time we’re just a litle more experienced; hopefully it will go more quickly.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
+1 I have not checked Albany’s schedule….. but this is probably strictly a roster move…. Boychuck may not see the inside of an airplane…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Boychuk
I hope it’s a roster move. In three games, Boychuk has shown he is by far the fastest player on the team. I think he is the fastest player I have ever seen on the Hurricanes team. I know others are far more expert than me; and I know the argument/position that the AHL year of seasoning is critical to the development of players. I am using my time playing basketball at the college level; and I know we had freshmen who were already mature enough physically and emotionally to start at the varsity level. It would have made no sense at all to keep them from playing so they could mature. NHL hockey may well be different. Perhaps, the Hurricanes organization recognizes that Boychuk could be a very special player and they want to err on the side of caution to make certain he reaches his full potential.
I’m sure the Islanders have a spare goaltender they could loan us…. they keep five or six veterans on roster because DiPeatro hasn’t been healthy since he signed that billion year gazillion dollar contract….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions
I’m all for a trade if they get rid of A. Ward. But who in their right mind would be willing to take him? He didn’t play this lousy in Boston last year.
Live & Learn
I think he got here and he is still just “sittin’ around at home….” where as when he was in Boston (away from home…. he lives in Wake Co.) it was more like “being at work” therefore he “had a job to do…”
A. Ward has shocked me this season…. he has been awful!!!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
You know who must feel like poo right now? Leighton. To me this screams “we don’t have enough confidence in our backup to let him play the rest of an already pretty dismal season.” Hopefully Leights isn’t nearly as cranky as I am and doesn’t get disheartened by it.
If they sign or trade it would probably be for someone to back up Leighton.
And again…. it may help him to “elevate his game” if he has some reasonable competition….
I have liked Justin Peters since they drafted him…. but I don’t know that he would be the guy to put any kind of “good pressure” on Leighton to play better….. So perhaps if they can talk New Jersey into caughing up Brodeur that could help (I’m kidding)
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think the fact that trade talk came up almost immediately after the injury is what kind of shook me a little-this team is a wait and see kinda team. Then add in the fact that we’re pretty bad to begin with (it’s not like we’re in 1st and trying to hold people off). What’s the harm in having Leights and Peters take the helm? Plus like doug already said it will allow us to see whether there is anything there for either one of them.
Because this is a team that was talking about a trade before our #1 guy went down….. we are trying to get out of the basement….. and Michael Leighton is the type of guy who needs someone to push him.
Leighton is now our #1 guy….. because he is our ONLY guy…. Justin Peters is not ready to compete for the #1 Job… or even the #2 job…. so they may need to trade for someone or sign someone who will compete for the job…..
Therefore causing Leighton to either shape up or ship out…… He will have no choice but to play better…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I think we may be firmly locked into the basement (ah there’s that acceptance everyone was talking about)-it’s just a matter if we end up way in the back by the hot water heater or find our way to the steps leading to the kitchen.
I’m not sure Leights would be shipping out anywhere (until the offseason at least) no matter how poorly he played. And that is due to the very reason you cite for trading for someone. We don’t have anyone else to turn to right now, so even if Leighton sucked they wouldn’t be able to send him down or get rid of him because no one would be around to take his place regardless of whether we traded for someone or not.
I have no idea if that made any sense. Like I said, brain is not functioning today so forgive me if it makes no sense.
The D really hung Leighton out to dry on goals 2 and 3 last night. Maybe he should’ve gotten one of them, but the D let the forward skate right in on him. I don’t think Leighton is as bad as his numbers suggest, but he is not a starter at the NHL level. With more work, his numbers should improve, but not enough to make any substantial difference with this sorry a team in front of him.
by East of Here on Nov 8, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
isn’t that the story of the season…… the D has been leaving our goaltenders out to dry since the Eastern Conference Finals last season…. and we have still only won two friggin’ games since the Boston series……
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yep.
And that has played directly into Cam Ward’s natural weaknesses:
1.) The inability to stop a breakaway, and
2.) Dropping into the butterfly too early and giving away the glove side high.
Cam is not a Tim Thomas kinda goaltender, and never will be. If the shooter gets behind the D, it’s a guaranteed goal. So far, Leighton has had that same problem. Maybe we can hire Gerber back from the KHL. He did pretty well here last time…
by East of Here on Nov 8, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
In fairness to the D, I had to hang the second goal on a mistake made by Leighton.
Although in a big-picture sense, the team D allowed a 2-on-1 breakaway, Alberts did seal off the pass. Boll was so looking to pass that Leighton bought it and started cheating that direction. When the door opened between shoulder/arm and goal post, Boll switched strategies and buried it.
Many a goalie might have bought the same “fake”, so I didn’t deduct too many points from his score for the mistake.
I agree, and that’s why I said he should’ve gotten one of those (goals) in my original post above. And when the shooter is 1 on 1 with the goalie, even the best goalie gets beat periodically. My only point is that 1 on 1 situations are a natural weakness for Cam (and so far, for Leighton) and our bad “D” has played right into this weakness.
by East of Here on Nov 8, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/canes/ward-to-stay-in-hospital-canes-mull-options
“He’s stitched up but he has to stay real stable,” Rutherford said. “They want to be careful about infections and those things.”
“This just goes with everything else that has gone on this season.”
Yeah JR, that pretty much sums it all up.
JR sending Boychuk down is just another dumbass decision he’s made. From this point on JR needs to make a decision and then do the opposite, I think this might work. One of the best players on the ice in the last two games….oh yeah let’s send him back down. Idiot!!!!oh yeah we SUCK, let’s go Canes!!!
by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 11:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
They are sending down Coles binky….. sad….
That’s the best I’ve seen Cole play in years…. and it was Boychucks fault!!!!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Unless I am mistaken, if Boychuk plays 10 games, I think his rookie contract kicks in, and he becomes a free agent a year earlier. It could be that if the Canes believe that this year is over (and it is) and that Boychuk will continue to progress consistently in the AHL, it might be in their best interests to send him back down and maximize his value to this team. Specifically, let him get better in Albany while we kill off the rest of this season, then bring him up for the rebuild next year. Why waste a whole year of his rookie contract on an obvious throwaway year?
by East of Here on Nov 8, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
That’s some pretty complicated thinking for a Sunday morning. I’m impressed.
Somehow I think the JR’s hungover from a fifth of bourbon last night is a more likely explanation….
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Somehow I think the JR’s hungover from a fifth of bourbon last night is a more likely explanation….
So I wasn’t too mean? :D
And your grammer was better…
How’s about that reads: “I think that JR’s hangover from ……”
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Your grammar was fine. I read it as “JR is hungover from a fifth of bourbon last night”.
Which probably says more about me right now than you. At least the Tigers won. I would hate to have caught H1N1 and then they lost.
Hell – you even spelled grammar right….You’ll be fine.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
your mistake….
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
RUMORS RE: Carolina Hurricanes
From Ottawa Sun Article. Here’s the link below. I know nothing more than what I read, but I wanted to pass it on.
http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2009/11/07/11672171.html
PORTION OF OTTAWA SUN ARTICLE
Oh, Carolina
The Carolina Hurricanes are desperate to make changes, but GM Jim Rutherford is finding it difficult. The ’Canes were rumoured to be willing to move LW Ray Whitney, but he has a no-movement clause and that talk doesn’t make any sense. Sources say Carolina has been offering D Joe Corvo to teams trying to improve their power play. Making $2.75 million, Corvo is set to become an unrestricted free agent July 1 and it’s doubtful he’ll be kept. The biggest issue for the ’Canes could be C Rod Brind’Amour. The 38-year-old is struggling and has two years left on his contract with a cap hit of $3.6 million per season. The ’Canes need to get quicker. A move that could be imminent in Carolina: Ron Francis taking over from coach Paul Maurice.
The Ottawa Sun is classic….. isn’t it?
it’s almost better journalism than the National Inquirer …. because Inquiring minds want to know…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Given his sterling work on improving our powerplay, I’d say Francis is a natural choice for a replacement. NOT!!! Besides, in management’s eyes, this isn’t Maurice’s fault. JR already made that clear by omission…
by East of Here on Nov 8, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
LOL…. Rutherford took the blame….. amazing……
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I say fire Francis and Maurice, promote Michael the trolley boy to head coach, and let the players rub his bald egg for luck every game.
Maybe some of the guys need to get Nic Wallin to “rub their sticks” for good luck…….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
They may score more goals that way, but they would be into our own net…
by East of Here on Nov 8, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
It’s sad when the Atlanta f-ing Thrashers are better than we are…..
(Off topic…. I still needed to say it)
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions
I believe every other team in the NHL is better than we are – if you believe the standings. We’re 4 points out of 29th. Maybe the Hershey Bears or Wilkes-Barre Penguins could come to Raleigh to scrimmage?
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Why rub salt in the wound?
We’d probably get slaughtered by them too. And you know who would score the winning goal? Ryan Bayda.
I dunno…
Somethings brewing. I can’t see sending Boychuck down, at least not yet. “Send him down” to clear a roster spot and then trade like the season depended on it.
My guess is that Boychuck stays and we see maybe two forwards and a pick or AWard and a forward move for a goalie.
I think a goalie is a given right now and rather than just buy one, i think maybe a trade to shed some baggage is the way to go.
Though JR’s M.O not his Mo is to send down the kid and buy a guy so we can all but max the cap.
We shall see, gonna be a wild start to the week!!
Poor Dr. Evil has to start a new job and all this going on…
Hope she has internet access.
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
As I said above, they may be trying to save that year of Boychuk’s rookie contract by not letting him play 10 games.
by East of Here on Nov 8, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, that’s the 800# gorrilla. I was hoping for a 6 or more game stretch and he chucks up 4 points and shows his speed and makes it a real bitch to send him down. With just a couple games…
You know where I stand, i think he should stay and we whac k some of the chaff.
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
If he is that good, I say send him down and bring him up for the full year next year and give him a chance to make a mark with a revamped roster. This year is already over. Unless he can carry the entire team (which he can’t), there is no saving this one. Let’s be greedy and keep the kid for an additional cheap year on the big club.
by East of Here on Nov 8, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, neither he nor Sutter or both can. I’m just thinking clear out the roster while we still have control. When the billion + FA are loss we get nothing for them where now the kids are obviously servicable and we can move guys and get at least something in return.
I think we are both talking long term, just diff approaches.
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
Right now I just want to bury my head in the sand, so it might would be better for me if I didn’t have internet access…
Wake me up when November ends…
by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 8, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. I think that they feel that Sutter has nothing substantial left to gain from playing at the AHL level, and maybe they think putting him back there will just stunt his development. Thus, Sutter will stay with the big club and continue his development here.
Boychuk may ever be serviceable at the NHL level, but if he still has some progression that can be made at the AHL level, then it makes sense to send him down and develop him there on the cheap and get a bigger return on the investment by bringing him up next year at a higher level of play and at the NHL minimum salary. If he is that good, he will open up a LOT of cap space for other parts.
Well, if Puck Daddy can keep hope alive, so can I:
“…acquiring a veteran if Ward’s out for a lengthy period of time is imperative if this team’s going to contend for a playoff spot this season.
Yeah, we said it: A team 10 points out of the eight seed, mired in a 12-game winless streak, devastated by injuries and that’s looked simply terrible for most of the season can still contend in 2009-10. It’s a team in the seventh ring of hockey hell right now, but it’s also a team that uncorked a 13-1-2 streak back in February under Paul Maurice."
Oh word of advice to anyone reading that column, don’t read the comments. They will only anger/depress you.
Careful! Do not allow yourself to be seduced by these seeds of hope, CG. It will only hurt you more in the long run. Let it go. Let it go. Focus on the players and the action…..the standings do not matter. repeat.
Wysh just hasn’t been paying attention to the Canes very long (he’s the guy who seemed to get Tuomo sort of mixed up with Jarkko), so he doesn’t yet realize how bad things are in Raleigh. He doesn’t even care enough to be grieving.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
It’s like a bug being drawn to a porch light-I know it will hurt in the end, but the light is just so pretty. I miss hope. I want hope back.
Actually I miss winning too. Can I have winning back?
You ask a lot, young grasshopper. Restrain yourself, then re-train yourself. Focus on simple things. Like not bleeding and un-broken bodies. Only then may you channel your inner Gleason and snarl.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Acquiring a veteran will be difficult, esp this time of year and esp because JR looks desperate to the other GMs. The Canes really have only one option — blow up the team, bring up the Rats, and try to draft well — and it’s just a matter of when it’s gonna happen. Do it now, or do it closer to the trade deadline.
Worrying about rookie contracts is being penny-wise and pound-foolish. Attendance will continue to dip as this team continues to lose (yes, I too have reached acceptance). At this pace, only Whitney and Cullen will be resigned for next year, so why not get some of the youngsters up and get them used to the NHL game?
Financially, the Canes are in trouble. They’ve spent more on salary than ever before with the plan that they would get back to the playoffs and recoup the expense with the extra revenue. If that doesn’t happen, the losses will be gigantic.
Walker (ouch, love the way he plays), Corvo, Award, and Wallin are all UFAs next year, assuming we resign Whitney and Cullen. Package em up, slice and dice em, and get a defensive defenseman in return. Bring up Peters to back Leighton until Cam gets back. Fill the rest of the roster with Rats. Go to the Big ATM and root for a team that’s not very good but at least puts out a legitimate effort every game. Put Roddy on the 4th line and cut his minutes to 10ish a game and let’s see what kind of coaching job Mo and Ronny Franchise can do.
yes, I too have reached acceptance
Welcome, Gillimus. I know you’ve been fighting it like I did. Believe me, it’s much better than the previous stages. Heck – we still have an NHL team.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
We still have an NHL team for now.
by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 4:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ron Francis
I’m not sure why everyone thinks he would make a good coach. He really doesn’t seem to want to coach at all. From what I can tell, he likes player personnel, recruiting….but taking the brunt of losses? Being interviewed? Being blamed? Not so much. And he was offense, why cannot he help out with the powerplays a lot more since they’re not working? He doesn’t seem that effective as a coach to me. I think Mo isn’t to completely blame here. He’s working with what he’s got and with injuries, some elderly players, and no clear powerplays, we’re getting beat. Not whipped. But beaten, yes. I think JR is sort of to blame. And they should absolutely keep Boychuck down here to work with Cole, eventually Staal….he is so fast and hungry. Just keep him. Big mistake to have him go back.
right on
gillimus, you are right on. this team has got to be dissected and have new parts put on. they just do not click together at all. cullen is so valuable. to me, he is consistently the best player even though he is very low key about things. you would even have staal go? wow. i think let at least 4 of the river rats do on the job training with the hurricanes and bring them on permanently NOW. sutter, boychuck, and the other 2 top picks that just missed the hurricanes. obviously sutter and boychuck are putting the canes to shame with their effort and play. seriously. and i still think that ron francis doesn’t really want to coach. if he did, he’d be the coach. he’d rather be in the passenger seat at this point. don’t you agree? poor mo. i think he is sort of getting blamed when some of this is out of his hands. imo.
new lines because it's the last day of vacation
Walker, Corvo, Award, and Wallin are gone.
Staal centering Boychuk and Cole (speed, anyone?)
Cullen centering Whitney and Sutter (smarts, anyone?)
Yelle centering Ruutu and Jussi
Brindy centering LaRose and Kosto
Gleason/Pits
McBain/Defensive Dman in a trade
Harrison/Alberts
All 4 O-lines have some skill. The D, past Gleason and Pits, is a concern. Still, on this beautiful November afternoon, I can see a team I can root for (for which I can root?).
I like most of this, Gillimus
You lost Sammi somewhere. I think he’s been perfectly acceptable this season. (others don’t agree I know). So the 3rd line is the Euro-line (Jussi centering Ruutu and Sammi). Buy out Yelle.
Don’t like Harrison back. Bring up Bryan Rodney. Or Casey Borer when he’s healthy.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
New Lines
Here are my new line combinations, also assuming Walker, Corvo, AWard and Wallin are gone. I am also assuming that LaRose is gone and replaced with a wide-body, net crashing forward
Boychuk/Staal/Cole
Whitney/Cullen/Sutter
Samsonov/Jokinen/Ruutu
Wide-body, net-crashing power forward/Brind’Amour/Kostopoulos
(It is too much an answer to hope against hope that Brind’Amour will retire gracefully)
Defense
Gleason/Pitkanen
McBain/Dman in trade or Rodney/Carson
Alberts/young fast puck-moving forward or Harrison (who is not a fast puck-moving forward)
I also have not included Taylor Hall, Kirill Kabanov, or Tyler Seguin — all of whom are potential game-changer players to go with Staal.
New Lines Edited
TYPO in the one above, my apologies
Here are my new line combinations, also assuming Walker, Corvo, AWard and Wallin are gone. I am also assuming that LaRose is gone and replaced with a wide-body, net crashing forward
Boychuk/Staal/Cole
Whitney/Cullen/Sutter
Samsonov/Jokinen/Ruutu
Wide-body, net-crashing power forward/Brind’Amour/Kostopoulos
(It is too much an answer to hope against hope that Brind’Amour will retire gracefully)
Defense
Gleason/Pitkanen
McBain/Dman in trade or Rodney/Carson
Alberts/young fast puck-moving defenseman or Harrison (who is not a fast puck-moving forward)
I also have not included Taylor Hall, Kirill Kabanov, or Tyler Seguin — all of whom are potential game-changer players to go with Staal.
emma, I’ve seen the same things you have regarding Francis’ less-than-burning desire to coach. If he’s with the team to coach the power play, it’s safe to say he’s underachieved. I agree 100% that a lot of this has been out of Mo’s hands and I am a fan of his. See the roster below and tell me if you think Mo might be energized by the opportunity to coach the game to some new blood instead of screaming at vets that may have tuned him out (Award, Corvo, Wallin).
seriously
i almost feel like the vets are purposely sabotaging mo (paranoid of me i know…i battle that) to get him fired before they’re let go. like a battle of the wills of who is dispensable now. mo will win out. some of his coaching frustrates me, but overall he’s pretty solid. if you have geriatrics (so sorry to use that word) who won’t/can’t move fast, quick, be perceptive and instinctive, there’s not much you can do as coach. i mean sutter is the new face of the hurricanes and no coach has to tell him “try! skate hard! go after the puck”. he just does cause he’s 20 and not worn out or jaded. mo will be here for 3 seasons and i think the second and third seasons will be much less painful. but jr has GOT to listen to what mo and the players are telling him. i still don’t get why brindy is still here. i’m just not loyal to him. i think it’s time for him to retire.
This just in from Twitter:
Pokecheck Yow. RT @Aportzline: Cols. Dispatch: CAR G Cam Ward had surgery late Saturday/early Sunday to repair a lacerated muscle in left thigh.
How legit of a source is that particular Twitter account?
I don’t use Twitter so I don’t really know how to separate the good from the bad.
Not sure. Puck Daddy has re-tweeted Pokecheck, who is a Raleigh resident. Don’t know about Aportzline, other than their profile lists them as from Ohio.
Gotcha. I’m trying to find another source that confirms that before I go one way or the other in terms of worrying.
Aportzline is Aaron Portsline, the CBJ beat reporter for the Columbus newspaper. Their ice_chip. I’d say that’ pretty legit.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
OK thanks. I was given the task of updating Jen and I didn’t want to freak her out if it was a “I heard it from my cousin’s uncle’s girlfriend’s kid’s babysitter” kind of thing.
Time to freak her out then. We got to do it for you last night…
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
From Aaron Portsline's blog...
comes this:
Carolina goaltender Cam Ward had surgery late Saturday or early Sunday at Riverside Methodist Hospital to repair a lacerated muscle in his left thigh, The Dispatch has learned.
I thought it was the right one at the time (kicked), but every report has said the left.
Looking back at the video, I can now see a back kick as Nash went down that probably caught the inside left leg right above the knee.
Also Cam’s head is clearly tilted looking leftward as he surveys the damage and he drug the left leg more than the right as he was being carried off the ice.
Good call HM
I thought it was the toe of Nash’s skate that caught him on the right leg, but it was the blade that caught the left leg. Tripp also threw me off because he mentioned a right leg, but he could have been talking about Nash’s I guess.
I also took Cam’s look to the left to be a look for help and was so distracted by the time they got him up that I didn’t even notice which leg was dragging.
If you watch the video of him going into the tunnel you can see his left leg is limp and he’s hoping around on the right one.
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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...
Yeah by that point I had turned it off. Watching him struggle down the tunnel was more than I could handle.
I won’t cut and paste it but c59 posted something in the comments earlier today (“having been an ER nurse”) on the SBN Cam Ward story about what she thought of the on-ice treatment of Cam. It will upset you and make you want Pete Friesen fired….
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
I just read that actually. Great minds and what not.
The only thing that’s keeping me from calling for Pete’s head on a platter is that there was another guy out there too (I’m assuming he was a team doctor). If the doctor (who has more medical knowledge than Pete) didn’t stop him from having Cam get up then it’s hard for me to blame Pete.
Having said all that, I didn’t post my particular thoughts on what was done to get Cam off the ice because IMO it was secondary to what the team is going to do without him. However, I am a junior health science major and even I know not to do what they did. It’s one of the first things they teach you in basic CPR/first aid classes. Elevate the bleeding body part as high as you can get it (the heart doesn’t like pumping blood above the head) and put as much pressure on it as you can.
NHL On the Fly. They’re talking to Luke DeCock. he says Legace is the best option. He says Peters isn’t ready. Talking about what JR is thinkign and should he decide it’s time to move onto “next year”.
They want to get back to .500 by Christmas.
Luke is recalling 02-03 and said this is worse.
Luke also says: Optimistic about who we have in Albany. Doesn’t think JR’ll make drastic moves before Trade Deadline. Ray Whitney, Brindy, Walker are the go-to guys to get us out of this.
More to it, but these are the highlights.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Here’s who NHL On the Fly says are possibly available to fill in for Ward.
Giguere (anaheim), Fernandez, Legace, Biron (NYI), Toskala (Toronto), Schneider (Canucks)
either as FA (in bold) or via trade.
They doubt that 3-4 weeks is any more than a a wild guess by Canes management, and they might not know for a few days what the realistic recovery time is.
Turn on NHL Network to see this – they spend nearly 15 minutes talking about JR’s options. Maybe just specualtion, but interesting to hear how it sounds looking from the outside in.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
It’s accurate. It’s Aaron Portzline, he’s the beat writer for the Columbus Dispatch.
Sisu
by LTD on Nov 8, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the link to his blog entry, although it really doesn’t say more than the tweet does.
And HM, jinx.
Sisu
by LTD on Nov 8, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
If this is accurate...
Depends on the severity, depth of the cut. But having a son who played the position (really – but I couldn’t resist), you really strain those inner thigh muscles. I’d say Christmas at least.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Reports in that Cam Ward had surgery on his thigh to repair muscle laceration
Here’s the story and link:
Cols. Dispatch: CAR G Cam Ward had surgery late Saturday/early Sunday to repair a lacerated muscle in left thigh. Still in Cols. hospital.
about 1 hour ago from TweetDeck
link:
Tweet-apalooza from Chip all within the last 10 minutes
Hurricanes are expected to sign a goaltender. Rutherford did not name any names but a best guess could be Manny Legace.
Columbus Dispatch reporting Ward had surgery last night for a laceration on his thigh muscle. Rutherford said he could not confirm that.
Cam Ward could be sidelined for a month, GM Jim Rutherford said this afternoon. Not considered a season-ending injury.
This one is from the Canes
Cam Ward will remain hospitalized tonight to guard against infection. The goaltender is expected to miss a minimum of 3-4 weeks.
From JR's lips to Chip's fingers
A series of tweets provide some updates, supposedly straight from JR, although the last may simply be Chip’s speculations:
Cam Ward could be sidelined for a month, GM Jim Rutherford said this afternoon. Not considered a season-ending injury.
Columbus Dispatch reporting Ward had surgery last night for a laceration on his thigh muscle. Rutherford said he could not confirm that.
Hurricanes are expected to sign a goaltender. Rutherford did not name any names but a best guess could be Manny Legace.
Yep, speculation confirmed by Chip himself:
That’s my best guess, not Rutherford’s.
So which one you guys is really Chip Alexander, eh? abramsdoug posts on CanesNow all the time. Maybe Chip’s using that for his SBN pseudonym….
Must add: I called that it would Legace last night in the (post-)gamethread – just for the record. If only Bubba was here to settle us all down with his knowledge and temperament…But then it was his idea to bring back AWard….
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
AbramsDoug and Chip Alexander
I assure I ( AbramsDoug) is not Chip Alexander. I did email Chip when I received a Tweet from one of the Hockey Writers I follow saying that Cam Ward went under surgery. I wondered if he could confirm the surgery. I then went to this Blog to see if the story was picked up here and it was.
Well that's good to know!
I was kind of teasing you. We often speculate that Chip is lurking unbeknownst in our midst….
Please consider this your blogging home as long as you like. A few nuts, (cough Paladin cough) but mostly nice folks who love the Canes a little too much to be socially healthy.
So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?
Well, this made me smile (but only a little). A couple of people tweeted Mike Commodore about going to see Cam and he tweeted back that he’d been by and took him some food.
Sisu
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