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Canes Send Zach Boychuk Back To Albany

Rookie forward Zach Boychuk was reassigned to Albany this morning after collecting his first NHL point last night, an assist on Tim Gleason's third-period goal in the Hurricanes 3-2 loss at Columbus.

With both Carolina and Albany off until Wednesday, the Canes must be banking on Ray Whitney being ready to return to the lineup when the team hosts the Kings at the RBC Center. 

Here is the release from the team:

HURRICANES REASSIGN ZACH BOYCHUK TO ALBANY

Forward played in Carolina's last two games, earned first NHL point

RALEIGH, NC — Jim Rutherford, President and General Manager of the National Hockey League's Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that the team has reassigned forward Zach Boychuk to the Albany River Rats of the American Hockey League (AHL).

Boychuk, 20, was recalled to Carolina on Thursday, Nov. 5, and made his NHL-season debut on Friday against the Toronto Maple Leafs at the RBC Center. The Airdrie, Alb., native then collected his first NHL point on Saturday at Columbus with an assist on Tim Gleason's third-period goal. Along with the assist, Boychuk (5’10", 185 lbs.) registered six shots on goal and an even plus/minus rating in the two games, while averaging 14:35 of ice time per game. He returns to Albany where he has scored four goals and earned five assists (9 points) in 12 AHL games thus far in this, his first full professional season. Carolina drafted Boychuk in the first round, 14th overall, of the 2008 NHL Entry Draft.

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OH, come on… Really?
Gah! The ability of this franchise to frustrate…!

by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 8, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Second to none eh?

by caniacgirl on Nov 8, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well…. they need to be good at something…….

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cory – do you see this as just a roster move? When do they need to decide what to do with Yelle?

Some of this seems pretty technical as to why they do things the way they do. Surely Cam goes on the IR – how does this effect the numbers? And is Staal on the IR? How does that affect our cap calcs???

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Yelle thing was just an effort to shed his contract. I don’t think they have designs on moving him to Albany yet.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 8, 2009 7:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Surely the brain trust is going through a major season assessment right now. Business decisions are being made.

I wouldn’t be looking for them to max out either the payroll or the cap hit, unless part of a very temporary transistion strategy to accommodate a player shuffle. Not when many fans are already deciding to just watch on TV instead of going to the game.

Expenses must match revenue. Draft picks are available. Prepare to dive?

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

When a player is on IR, I know he gets paid. But does that come out of the teams accounts, or is it covered by some sort of insurance?

I mean how do the Islanders survive something like DiPietro? or Huet in Chicago? Or in the other professional sports leagues where one player might make $20mil a year? That’s a lot of risk and I’m thinking the business must have some way fo leveling that risk out.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Surely there’s insurance coverage of the salary and probably 100 percent of it.

That’s why I’m not panicking too much over the extent of the leg injury. I just think everyone’s being ultra-cautious, as well they should be.

No need to rush moving him, and yes I expect him to be driven home.

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Still, assuming Cam is coming back at some point, why hire a third goalie and have three goalie salaries on a nearly maxed out team?

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would assume Cam is probably out for the season or a majority of it. JR wouldn’t be talking about trading for a goalie less than 24 hours after the injury unless it’s ALOT worse then what they are saying. At this point who really cares who’s in net the team team is the laughing stock of the NHL this year. We can’t manage more than a goal or two per game, so you can’t expect to win hockey games. Alot of teams this year are avg. 4 to 5 goals per game.

by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

where are you seeing JR talking about trading for a goalie? id like to read about that.

by Blacklisted on Nov 8, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So far, the only place is here:

Canes general manager Jim Rutherford said today that goaltender Cam Ward would remain at a Columbus, Ohio, hospital another day and that the team may look to trade or sign another goaltender.

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I care if Cam’s seriously hurt.

I also don’t think we’re the laughing-stock. At this point, I think other teams are confused why we’re losing every game, just like we are.

by yeaus on Nov 8, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what I wanted to say. Using terms like “laughing stock” is way too strong.

I was listening to Mo in his comments last night, and I think he really cares about Cam. And I think his voice breaking was as much about his concern for Cam as it was the season. Probably more. (remembering how well he handled Scotty Walker’s PR after the punch last year).

Mo may have his problems, but I think he really does love his team. He wants them to win for their sake (kind of like my kids’ coaches), not just to save his job. I heard that in his bitterness after the Florida loss.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Listening to that postgame was almost more heartbreaking than watching the actual footage of the injury.

by caniacgirl on Nov 8, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"laughing stock"

Trust me we are the ‘laughing stock’ and I don’t enjoy saying that. I know a lot of hockey fans who pull for other teams and they’re laughing. You should know this if you’re a Canes fan because throughout the league we’re just hated for what ever reason.

by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever – I actually don’t care what other teams’ fans say about the Canes. I care about the Canes. I am a Canes fan, and as a Canes fan, I care more about whether Cam Ward’s effing thigh is gaping open.

by yeaus on Nov 8, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody said they don’t care about Cams leg…..he’s one of the best goalies in the league ( that’s when he’s on his game, lately he would lose in the AHL).

by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I took your “At this point who really cares who’s in net the team team is the laughing stock of the NHL this year” as not caring, but looking back at it, I realize you’re not really talking about Cam. No harm done.

by yeaus on Nov 8, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

None taken, trust me I was trying to throw Cam under the bus.

by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

?

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, that should be was NOT trying to throw Cam under the bus. We need edit keys on here!

by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

pretty sure that’s what you meant – that’s why I asked….

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They’re not confused at this point they look at us as an easy 2 points.

by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 2:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

They also know when they score to start shooting again while the announcer calls out the credits for the their previous goal. Repeat ad infinitum.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because WE ARE an easy two points……..

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

teams are only allowed to cary insurance on certain players….. and they have to be out for a specific amount of time…. A couple years ago they used an insurance policy on Justin Williams (or it was at least reported in the N&O.

Cam Ward would be a candidate if he is out the rest of the season…. but Ray Whitney is not….

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"brain trust"???

Are you watching the same team I am?

by DidJussiThat? on Nov 9, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

'02-'03

Shades of that tragic season. Terrifically surprising Cup run the year before. Entire team returned, with the exception of Gelinas (who, like Yelle, had been waived earlier in that season, only to score critical goals, including the conference-winning one in the Toronto series).

Alas, key injuries plagued that ‘02-’03 team, including losing Brind’Amour early for the remainder of the season with a hand injury. This at a time when Brind’Amour was our number two center behind Francis and key penalty killer.

Dead last in the league, we lost the lottery, but ended up with our targeted player (unless the fears of JR drafting Fleury after drafting Ward the year before were true) in Staal.

Still, it was a entertaining year for the fans as waves of players came up from the Lockmonsters to play. Became quite a tradition for each to score in their very first NHL game. One broke his arm celebrating that first goal and was out for weeks. Good times, good times.

However, there’s an eerily similar feeling to that season so far this year.

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

One broke his arm celebrating that first goal and was out for weeks.

As sad as that is, it doesn’t sound completely unlikely for this year’s squad. Which may be even sadder.

by caniacgirl on Nov 8, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More memories of '02-'03

It was Damian Surma that broke his arm celebrating his first NHL goal in his first (and only) game with the Canes that year.

Also that year, we witnessed enforcer Jesse Boulerice being knocked out of the season with a single punch.

Kapanen and Battaglia, heroes the season before, went months without goals.

Should have known the season was snakebit when Kevin Weekes passed out on the ice while in goal during a Season Ticket Holder only preseason practice.

Cole broke his leg, Svoboda separated a shoulder, Hereema broke his wrist, Pavel Brendl had knee surgery, Hlavac broke a finger, DesRochers an arm.

What a season.

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow- I hadn’t moved to NC yet. I’ve heard tell, but never listed out, what went wrong this season. Deja vu all over again.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Broken leg-check
Knee surgery-check
Possible wrist injury (Staal?)-check
Enforcers getting pwnd during a fight-check
Passing out-almost-Nicky looked woozy last night during Cam’s skate to the bench

And it just keeps getting more depressing.

by caniacgirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

u said pwnd

by Gillimus on Nov 8, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL yup. It was for HM’s benefit.

by caniacgirl on Nov 8, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TYVM

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL…. I remember watching that play…. On the previous play Damian Surma had absolutely flattened a player from the other team…. and when the whistle blew he actually skated over and helped the guy get up (I have never seen anything like it before or since then).

My friend and I commented that perhaps he was trying to conjure up some good karma….

And then he skated down and scored his fist (and only career) NHL goal…. and injured his shoulder by celebrating…. never to play in the NHL again……

Good karma, eh??

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn’t a season ticket holder only preseason practice where Kevin Weekes passed out. It was the first practice of the season and open to the public. I know it’s a bit nit picky.

5 seconds left.
Do you believe in miracles?
YES!!

by C-Leaguer on Nov 9, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

should have kept boychuck

big mistake. he’s fast as hell and worked well with cole. get rid of the oldies..they just can’t do it.

by emmarose on Nov 8, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

 I’m hoping it’s just paper voodoo and we see lil chuck up here on Wed.

Just when you thought it was safe to hope….

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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...

by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oops – you forgot. It’s not safe to hope till October 2010.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yea, like next is shaping up to be a smoker!!!

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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...

by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, you think this all started with Cory’s post in September?

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Most likely wizard is good to go so they r sending the kid back down. Just as well, the luck surrounding us, if he stayed up he’d probably end up getting stabbed of run over by an Olympia……

by wylde4canes on Nov 8, 2009 2:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Right. There’s not top nine minutes for Zach right now, so he’s better suited in the AHL.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 8, 2009 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they don’t trade the farm in a vein attempt to salvage the season. That would be the worst thing they could do. At least at this point we still have our prospects.

by Caniac1026 on Nov 8, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yea but the FA farm is what I think they need to start selling and trading. Pick the path and walk the path. The last one they boned. So figure out how to proceed and gut this pig while you still have a shot at some return. When the FA’s hit the market, they are gone or cost money to keep. Now if we can trade for anything, we are ahead….

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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...

by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell, they might as well play for the lotto now. I do expect many of these guys to be traded in the coming months. There is no way this team is making the playoffs this year. If you think they are, then kudos to you for keeping faith, but that can only go so far. Guys like Whitney, Walker, Cullen, Samsonov, Corvo, and others (depending on contracts) I think will be traded for prospects.

It has become painfully obvious that this team is not forming the way we thought it would. There is no chemistry, no tricky play, poor offense and defense, and an increasing losing attitude on a team that already has no confidence. They are also the oldest and slowest team in the league. I loved what I saw out of Boychuk. They kid does have a bright future in the NHL, as does Sutter. Not to mention we have some terrific prospects in Albany right now ready to play for the Canes. Now, I think the best thing that could happen is that we have a horrible year (yes, I know how that sounds), but be able to draft a terrific, young, scoring winger how can come in and immediately play with Eric Staal on his line.

I think that is the thing Staal really needs right now. He needs a scoring winger, not a guy who scores a goal in a blue moon and occasionally is a power forward (cough Cole cough). And just imagine a second line with Sutter, Boychuk and possibly Bowman or some other guy who can score. And the defense looks to have a bright future as well with McBain waiting for his chance.

I really think that this year is a rebuilding year for us. We are all going to have to endure the pain of it though. But I expect this team to be better because of it. With a younger, faster team, with a proportional mix of rookies and vets, we will be a helluva team next year.

I just hope they don’t begin to play well because we won’t have that top 5 pick in the draft. Just my 2 cents on this situation.

Member of Canes Country and the Cat Scratch Reader

by Ivan459 on Nov 8, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone wants the Canes to give up on the season

but the group mind, led by Paladin, is leaning towards giving some young guys their shot and prepping them for next year, and that will probably involve moving some FA vets that wouldn’t be resigned anyway due to the massive financial loss that PK is about to endure.
Mrs Gillimus and I have 26-game tickets, and these are the players that we are excited to see (that aren’t hurt) as we’re heading into the Big ATM:
Sutter
Boychuk
Jussi
Pits
Whitney.

2 minor-leaguers, a D man, the wizard, and a Finn. That’s it. I have a Ruutu jersey, but since his suspension I’m muttering “Ruuuu?” instead of hollering “RUUUU!!” There’s one level where the GM has to put together a team that’s competitive and fits into a budget. There’s another level where the fans -paying the freight, since the NHL has no TV contract - need to be interested enough to spend considerable amounts of money to go to the games. JR has proven to be pretty good at the former; can he now produce the latter?

by Gillimus on Nov 8, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, technically that’s two Finns LOL.

Ruuty’s pretty banged up himself right now. He has been rather invisible since he’s been back, but I suspect it’s more about playing through some injury and less about mental hesitation to lay a hit (at least I hope so).

Sisu

by LTD on Nov 8, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps it’s a little of both?

by caniacgirl on Nov 8, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

gillimus

how did JR go so terribly wrong? do you think he could have foreseen the disaster of his picks and their complete lack of chemistry? did anyone foresee this? will Mo be here for 3 seasons but that will be it? after 3 seasons will Mo be gone or will the franchise put him in a different position in 2012? and who will become the new coach? someone from the albany river rats? read your crystal ball gillimus.

by emmarose on Nov 8, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

emma, I really think that JR felt the team would be good bringing back the old pieces. He’s just as surprised as we are that he was wrong. In my opinion, Mo would be better served as a coach teaching the young guys to play the NHL game versus trying to motivate the vets, but that’s just conjecture on my part. The team will not pay Lavi and fire fire Mo. Since Francis is reluctant/unsuited for the head coach position, the Canes don’t have a lot of options for their head coach.
I no more have a crystal ball than anyone else, and this team will be drastically different in 2010, much less 2012. Keep being a fan, keep posting. No one listens to us, but it makes the wins sweeter.

by Gillimus on Nov 8, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do we have a goaltender yet?

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

JR said he’s getting ready to sign someone but names yet.

by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing canescup is referring to this twitter update
ice_chip23 minutes ago Hurricanes are expected to sign a goaltender. Rutherford did not name any names but a best guess could be Manny Legace.

Note-Legace is Chip’s guess.

by caniacgirl on Nov 8, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct!

by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 6:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Chip has trouble finding his left ear…..

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hockey Fans

I am a relatively new hockey fan. I actually blindly started going to games because of my son’s interest in the team during the Cup year and have become a ravenous fan since getting spoiled with a cup my first year out. I have dealt with the doldrums of the two seasons post cup and the weak Nov and Dec of LY, but have never dreamed of such a funk as the team is in now. Having said that, I have a lot of respect for the sport and the fans…especially Canes fans. It takes a lot of dedication to be a solid member of the Caniac faithful…ie. STHs, bloggers, airport meeters…etc..during a time like this. I, however, am dedicated in mind and heart ( as well as wallet STH and Center Ice and NHL Net subscriber) to sticking with the team…by the way..so is my son 12yr old. He is already looking for the lotto, but keeps telling me that we are only 10 pts out of 8th. Hang in there Caniacs!!!! Believe Canes!!!!

by Caniac233 on Nov 8, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Uh oh.

vai the Twitter of Aaron Portzline,

    CAR G Cam Ward had surgery late Saturday/early Sunday to repair a lacerated muscle in left thigh. Still in Cols. hospital.

by darman1484 on Nov 8, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know how reliable this is, and I will wait till I hear something more, but if this is true, it is a total disaster.

by Iggy Reilly on Nov 8, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This Portzline guy covers the CBJ for the paper there. From what I’ve been told (thanks HM and LCD) he’s the real deal.

Still though it would be nice for some confirmation from the team.

by caniacgirl on Nov 8, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Being discussed on the Cam Ward Injury thread.

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lesse, the league has under stated every injury for how long now? These are the folks that call a gunshot to the head an UBI.

Let’s think about the real possibility Cam has nerve damage and he’s done. What to do now?

 The money picture goes out the window acrrying his contract due, the team will not be able to get an equivalent goalie period. Any hopes of a rebuild just included a goalie of a caliber that just isn’t out there.

 This whole franchise could of just been dealt a deatrh blow.

 I am very deprerssed about this.

I feel for his family.

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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...

by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa, step off the ledge. Per JR, it’s not even a season-ending injury. Back in a month, says he.

Per others here, that’s about right for a muscular laceration.

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Posted moments ago
nhl_canes – Cam Ward will remain hospitalized tonight to guard against infection. The goaltender is expected to miss a minimum of 3-4 weeks.

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s think about the real possibility Cam has nerve damage and he’s done. What to do now?

Absolutely don’t do this. Eek – there’s plenty of problems without borrowing trouble. Don’t worry about things that haven’t happened yet. Go get some sleep, Paladin.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The lack of forethought to a worst case scenario is how JR got us into this mess. All I’m saying is this league is the biggest bunch of sandbagging liars about injury I have ever seen.

What if Cam is screwed or let’s say he does a Vladinator at some time. That kid is the one irreplacable guy on the team. Top tier forwardsd and D men can be bought, but that level of goalie cannot.

We’ve all been bitching about send or don’t send a kid down, trade this guy, fire that guy.

Even if Wardo is only out 2 months, the whole playing field just changed. If he’s out “indefinatley” (not sure why the article was titled that when it then says 3-4 weeks) then what?

At this point bitching about stegery and what not is like trying to cause a flood by pissing in the ocean.

I don’t need sleep, I am wicked concerned. The other issues were all work outable. Throw this into the mix and I just don’t see this team having a whole lot of anything positive coming up soon. Leights obviously ain’t the go to guy. I don’t think Peters is either. So now what resources were at disposal to fix JR’s debacle will now have to be diverted at least temporarily and maybe permanently else where.

 The gravity of this has been sinking in over the last 24hrs. I was amused at bantering and BS’ing with everybody about my kids and all. Now we just lost the one piece we knew could carry this team on any given night. Granted he hasn’t last few runs, but he has shown he can.

I was wrong, We went from last place with Cam to last place with hope of recovery this year. The month or more it takes to sort this out will end any hopes of a PO run.

I guess in the back of my mind we still had a prayer of playing some good games this year. I think now I got my wish. I don’t see any alternative to a massive roster change to compensate for JR’s lack of forethought, the teams utter failure and a key injury to THE key guy.

Sleep hell, I feel that certain itch in the back of my throat only a 12ga can scratch.

Think about it. These guys slide farther into the shitter attendence is done, even STH have better things to do. The nickels dry up, our talent already has.

Man it’s a gloomy ass picture unfolding.

I’m totaly bummed out.

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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...

by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All I can say, Paladian, is that I am so proud how you have embraced the concept of paragraphs to express yourself in your posts. And perhaps you’ve been in denial and bargaining, and none of us recognized it. It’ll get better. Times heals all.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He never had any hope to be in denial…
:)

by Andrea's evil twin on Nov 8, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I should get a T-shirt:

“Hopless to even reach denial”?

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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...

by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i am on board with bitching about stegery

by Gillimus on Nov 8, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not! stegery is totally off limits. You just can’t go there.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Strategery on the other hand… ;)

by caniacgirl on Nov 8, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pppppppffffffttttt!!!

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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...

by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At the Crossroads

The org has to be going through some intense soul-searching right now.

Is this a salvageable season (ie. playoff position)? 2-11-3 after 16 games (about a fifth of the games) for 7 total points to date, when we should be at (16 games x 1.1 points/game) = 18 points minimum for an eighth-place slot playoff pace (forget the division for the moment).

So we’re 11 points off pace. That’s going to take a couple of substantial winning streaks to overcome, but it is doable. Doable by last year’s post-break team, that is.

However, JR’s short-term goal was to just get to 0.500 by Christmas, presumably then turning on the afterburners early next year. Now even that goal is doubtful. Cam’s out for over a month and may not be in top form when he returns. Staal’s out for a bit and is this the kind of injury that could recur unless given an off-season to fully heal?

So, double-down on the goalie budget, plug the hole with an unsigned FA goalie, put your head down and play your way out of this? Or, just go with the org’s goalies in hand, Leighton and Peters, and see where we are when Cam and everyone is back?

Lots for the front office to discuss.

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good point to step back and look at the big picture. Brings to mindf that comment made in the presidentail campaign last year: “Never waste a crisis”. I think we are at a franchise- defining moment. JR – this is all on you to steer us through. I think you’re up to it. Anyone else agree?

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no, I’d like to see something substansive. He spent alot of money and players to fail this complete. Yelle on waivers, two kids up, one kid down. He ain’t even earned a D yet. If he can’t muster better and like last week, I think he’s lost alot of pull with the rest of the league. So those seemingly miracles he’d pull off now and again are going to be out of reach.

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I told you not bringing the kids up was a mistake...

by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m taking comfort in the single greatest positive change in the org over the last few years, short of the development of depth for the first time ever…the brain trust.

At least JR will not make this decision in a vacuum. There are lots of bright, experienced minds available with which to discuss options and strategies. Two heads are indeed better than one (the pearls of wisdom within the oysters of pithy sayings).

One person alone can delude themselves horribly, making all kinds of short-cut assumptions and bad logic decisions. Unless surrounded by yes-men (which I do not believe is the case here), collaborative thinking will at least get us to a defensible solution (because it has to be defended to the peer group).

Thus leading to the Universal Excuse if it fails: It seemed like a good idea at the time. :-D

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t that ignorance incarnate?
No plan B in a game with as many variables as warfare? The fog of war?

The brain trust went brain dead and they have not revived yet.

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by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, they absolutely have a Plan B. Had it from the beginning, and we’ve talked about it.

If things went awry, it was to trade the FA’s by the deadline, collect picks/prospects, and draft early and often.

Question now is Plan A1 (Plan A is gone) salvageable by retooling? Or is it pull trigger on Plan B?

by Elsker on Nov 8, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the plans were well thought out and lucid there would be no question, it would be a flow.

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by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So if Cam is only going to be out for “3 to 4 weeks” Does it really make sense to sign a goaltender or trade for one???

To me it does not make sense unless they expect Cam to be out until March or April.

If they sign a goaltender on Monday…. then he plays (or rides the bench) for 3 to 4 weeks and then Cam comes back and we suddenly have 3 NHL goaltenders using cap space and payroll (we could use to trade for a good forward) until the trade deadline…..

It just does not make sense to cary 3 goaltenders until the Trade Deadline….

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

So give up a month or better?

Ugly choices, none are good.

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by Paladin6 on Nov 8, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we gave up the last month…. what would one more hurt…????

And it’s not as if Cam being healthy would suddenly save the day…. so unless they are planning to sign someone who will be the new #1 (and savior of Nazarene proportions) and have Cam be the backup when he is once again healthy….. then go ahead….

But 3 to 4 weeks (even at a minumum) is not that long…. Cole was out for 4 weeks…..

And we would still end up w/ too many goaltenders.

Now… if cam is out 3 to 4 MONTHS then YES….. actually PLEASE sign someone and do it in a hurry……

I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Chip “the goober” Alexander didn’t mean to print 3 to 4 MONTHS and wrote WEEKS instead (after all…. he had football to watch)

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a minimum for 3-4 weeks.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 8, 2009 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, I can’t figure why sign another goalie at this point. I know this season is over but when Cam comes back your stuck with three goalies. Even if you could sign one with a two-way contract there’s no room in Albany for him either. It makes more since to try one of our Ahl goalies for Cams backup next year. Hell, bring up half the river rats as a test run they certianly can’t do any worse.

by canescup on Nov 8, 2009 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

True. Might as well just bring up Peters. Its not like Legace would magically save our season. He cannot score goals. Just bring up Peters, and roll with the numerous punches that are to follow.

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by Ivan459 on Nov 8, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The kids are probably begging to stay in Albany…. they don’t want to lose any fingers or toes…..

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

IF you have NHL Network

Turn on NHL On the Fly – they’ve got a long segment on Ward’s injury, JR’s options, and a pretty good Q&A with Luke DeCock on the phone. Maybe 10 mins worth. (I put more about the highlights on the game summary post after this one)

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They’re interviewing David Brown

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was from about 8:10 to 8:20, I believe it repeats ever 30 mins. Wait till they get past the ATL STL game.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so around 8:40?

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’d think – but they’re doing the EDM COL game now….? Wish I knew how to transfer from my DVR to the computer…I’d say keep it on, surely it will come up again.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I need picture in f-ing picture (I’m grumpy this evening…)

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

grumpy, really?

by jenniwa30 on Nov 8, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well my friend you are in the right place!

by jenniwa30 on Nov 8, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually…. I wish it were late enough to just go to bed… and not wake up until f*cking Thursday…. and then drink a 6 pack of Dos XX Equis and then go back to sleep and not wake up until f*cking December just in time for New Years Eve…..

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok… now they are doing injuries….. (whatd’yaknow… another head injury)

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

here is the Cam piece….

That guy just pronounced Raleigh as RALLY… classic….

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that was actually a good piece…. thanks for pointing it out….

They have until Wednesday to do something.

I still feel like this season is a bad dream… it almost seems impossible for everything to be going so wrong…….

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NHL Network and Luke DeCock's Comments

I thought Luke made some interesting points. It does appear that Jim Rutherford is leaning toward signing Legace; but I agree with those fans who argue for trying Leighton and Peters first. If Leighton lacks whatever it takes to be a solid back-up goalie, let’s find that out now and move on. It would be horrible to be in the middle of a Stanley Cup run with Leighton as the second goalie and then find out he is a disaster. On the other hand, Cam’s injury is Leighton’s career opportunity. Leighton has shone in the AHL. Either Leighton rises to the occasion and the team rallies around him or his is a lifetime AHL/KHL goalie. Similarly, with regards to Peters, he deserves the chance to show what he has. This organization needs to find out whether Peters can be Cam Ward’s understudy. In addition, the question is how much better would Legace be than what we have. It isn’t as if NHL teams are in a bidding war for Legace and many NHL teams need goalies. If Legace was the answer, I suspect he would already be in the NHL. Specifically, I would be extremely disappointed if the Hurricanes traded for a goalie rather than trading for the wide-bodied, fast, and physical power forward the team desperately, desperately needs. Having somebody who crashes the net with authority and has net presence, especially on power plays, is this team’s first priority. With even a halfway decent power play, the Hurricanes would be at least .500 this year. The best goalie alive can’t win games if the team can’t score. This team has to score consistently on power plays to win consistently. If the Hurricanes score enough goals, the team doesn’t have to depend on a goalie standing on his head every night to win.

by abramsdoug on Nov 9, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay a rebuilding year is among us.

Winning was fun but know it is time for a reality check in Carolina and man it has hit us right in our face. Cam Ward is out for most of the year now basically that is our worse case scenario. Manny Legace ? Are you kidding me. Trade C. Larose, N. Wallin or Scott Walker and get a goalie that has some upside and dump M. Leighton for sticks and helmets.

Canes are hurting and boy I don’t know what they are going to do b/c we are the highest on the cap then we have ever been and we are getting nothing to show for it. Paul Maurice needs to be gone as well because he is the worst coach currently in the NHL today.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs ?

Traditionally, it takes 93-95 points to get the 8th spot. Let’s say we need 94pts. ‘Canes have 7 pts with 66 games left. So we need 87 pts in 66 games. So imagine a 40-20-6 record to finish the year and we’re still short a point. And we’re not gonna finish like that. We’re done. It’s just math at this point.

by drifterscape on Nov 8, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think I heard Mike Manicalco doing that same math a week ago. He came to the same conclusion as you have, and that was before we lost 3 more games. That’s when I realized I needed to remember the other reasons I love the Hurricanes than just my dreams of a deep run in the playoffs.

The next several games will be very interesting. If you thought the Scotty Walker Boston series story was gut-wrenching, this ought to top that by a mile.

So I'm guessing this would be "bottom"?

by hockeymomof2 on Nov 8, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can he punch Award again?

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by Paladin6 on Nov 9, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Something wierd about posting today???

Can Walker punch Award again?

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Zach Boychuk 11 C 10/4/1989 185 5-10
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