Alexander Ovechkin Suspended Two Games For Knee-To-Knee Hit On Tim Gleason
Capitals forward Alexander Ovechkin was suspended two games by the NHL for his knee-to-knee hit Monday on Carolina Hurricanes defenseman Tim Gleason.
Ovechkin was given a major penalty and game misconduct — the second time in three games he was ejected — on the hit, and both he and Gleason were hurt on the play. Gleason returned to action, while Ovechkin has been listed day-to-day by Washington.
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I asked this over in the game recap, but most people will probably read here first-if his injury somehow keeps him out for just 2 games, does that count as his suspension? Or would he miss an additional two games?
He’s going to miss the next two games and that will serve as his suspension. The injury may require it as well, but it will count as the suspension. The only case would be if Ovechkin was out longer and had to be put on the IR. That couldn’t be done until after the two games are served.
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I’m definitely sympathetic to that point of view, I just don’t know how you enforce it. If that was the rule the Caps would just say he’s ready 2 games before they thought he was ready. How do you guard against that? Realistically this is the only way to do it, IMO.
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I’m not sure how it would be enforced either. Maybe have him come back and play a game, then sit out two? :shrugs: It’s one of those things that is weird, but likely unfixable.
Some people on Japers’ speculated that maybe that’s why the Caps had him take a token skate today. Just to show the NHL “yeah he’s healthy enough to skate, he’ll play the next game” so that the suspension would kick in immediately as if he were healthy. I have no idea if that’s true or not but I do think there’s no better system than immediately implementing the suspension. (How would you feel if you were the team he played the one game against before the suspension?)
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Like I said, it’s something that I think people would like to see fixed, but we know that there really isn’t a way to do it. My question is this: if he’s injured for 2 games (that equals his suspension) does he still have to give up his salary for those two games? If he was injured only, he wouldn’t. If he was suspended only, he would. What do you do when he’s listed as both?
He loses that money for sure. That’s the easy part. If he is suspended for two but injured for 8 then there’s a legitimate argument that he wasn’t suspended, and I don’t know how you address that.
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yea
unfortunately there is no wayto police when players are “well” so his ambiguous health will be just good enough to have played for the next two games even if he really isnt ok
imo
if a player gets a suspension,
he should have to be active on the roster.
meaning that his team is hurt by the suspension in more ways than just the loss of his play.
this would make suspensions more formidable, as now they dont really mean much.
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I’m just happy that Ovie will have to be in the lineup come the 11th. Let’s see what happens when you run at a guy on the last place team. Guys with no other reason to play love to hold grudges.
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So not embarrassing themselves isn’t a reason to play? Or for their jobs?
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Why are you here, Fehr and Balanced?
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 1, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Just checking the response. Same reason some of you all come by Japers’ on occasion. I haven’t even gotten controversial yet and you’re already defensive.
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Fehr enough, but please would you clarify how
1 – my inquiry was “already defensive” and
2 – why it made you defensive.
Last – if you’re “just checking the response” then how did you end up with over 20 comments on this story in an hour, many of which were just a tad combative? Moreso, your comments to Harwood were well below the usual standard of JP’s group. IMHO, “just checking” would imply being a little less conspicuous.
And – at the very least, I was expecting some comments about Backstrom > Staal, even counting secondary assists. ;-)
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 1, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I may have jumped the gun on your defensiveness, if I misinterpreted, I’m sorry.
Ha. At Japers’ Rink I did make a comment about Backstrom > Staal, but didn’t think I needed to bring that up here again.
My comments to Bob Harwood are only standard because of Bob’s tone. I think J.P.’s group does a really good job of having civil, fact-based discussions, but you may have a different opinion of it.
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2 Games is ok...
Should have been 3-4 since this is the 2nd time recently and the 3rd time in the past year.
how could they not suspend him.
im not happy with this situation, call me over annoyed,
but the league knew that they had to suspend him and two games is like oh ok, well we will just make it small.
even though because of the media onslaught we HAVE to suspend him.
i dont think this changes the leagues obvious bias.
Jinx
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Just goes to show
that the NHL continues it’s bias. slapping stars on the wrist and punishing lesser known “less important” players. Colin Campbell should be fired in favor of someone less biased.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions
AO and Briere got 2 games. So did Kaleta. Seems like you have the full spectrum of Star to Goon on that list.
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Yeah, after AO already committed a hit he should have been suspended for. Then after that he would have been a repeat offender and received a longer suspension.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not exactly.
In a world where the hit on Kaleta deserved a suspension (choking back laughter), Ovechkin’s not playing the “no-reason-to-HurriCanes” game. Cause he’sm y’know, suspended.
Of course he would be suspended for the game with the ’Canes, but that wouldn;t stop him from playing his reckless style against another team, later in the season, and the same thing happening.
I’m a fan of AO and his exciting play, but even if this play was against a team I hated, I would think he deserved to be suspended and for longer than 2 games.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Slewfoot, chump change. Kaleta, a misconduct. Now, two games, $98K. I think Ovechkin keeps doing the same thing and the fine keeps doubling.
Fedorov, BB, the shoulder, the league — Ovechkin is getting lots of messages to temper his game a bit. I believe it’s nonsense to label him a “cheap-shot artist” and that two games is about right. Take a look at what you have to do to pull a 5-game stint
League phone call—
Colin Campbell: hey Ovie, I hear your knee is sore, how long do you think you’ll be out?
Ovechkin: couple games me think
Colin Campbell: Ok, consider yourself suspended! yuk yuk yuk
Bruce Boudreau: But he was leading with his shoulder!
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by Bob Wage on Dec 1, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Groan.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
rec’d for the skit. (i guess you guys/gals don’t do that around here?)
well done with the broken ovechkin english.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 1, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
let me say it again. what do you guys think?
if i player is suspended for a single digit number of games, he should be active on the roster during the games in which he is serving his suspension.
thus not allowing the team to dress someone in his place.
this would mean suspensions woudl REALLY matter
what say you?
for instance
rutuu suspension would have mattered much for, cause wed have not had space to add boychuk
2 games? I guess that’s enough that they can say “hey look, we suspended him”, but not enough to send him any kind of message, in my opinion.
Well at least we know where OV gets his caring and kind attitude:
lgc_com Really? How Classy. RT@dchesnokov Ovi’s mom thinks it was Gleason’s fault. She said the Canes forward should wear glasses next time.
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The Japers Rink tweets are pretty smug. They’re thrilled he won’t be gone long.
Then there’s the query if anyone has asked Alzner about Joe Corvo.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 1, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions
I didn’t see anything malicious from Alzner on that, looked like just an awkward play.
Then again, some guys are sneaky. You never know sometimes.
Definitely. No way Alzner meant to do that. He’s been a class act his entire career according to those that have covered him and he’s just barely getting himself comfortable in the NHL; he’s not at the point where he can nefariously pull off that kind of move and not make it obvious. I’m not even sure that it’s possible for anyone to do that.
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JP is a good guy, I met him once a few years ago at the RBC, back in the days of the Southeast Shootout blog. I can’t knock him for loving Ovie, but the tone does get a little breathless at times.
JP thought three games was reasonable.
by Cory Lavalette on Dec 1, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad they suspended him. Something needs to do something to attempt to reign his reckless play in. That’s part of his game, but unfortunately that part also happens to be dangerous. I think 2-3 is pretty much deserved for the suspension.
To those saying 5+ was deserved I have a few comments. It is known that the NHL takes into account history and injury when looking at suspensions. Laraque got 5 games for a more egregious knee to Kronwall. Laraque has a far longer rap sheet than Ovechkin, even when taking into account the previous non-suspended hits that Ovechkin has, and Kronwall’s injury is far worse than Gleason’s. Keeping those in mind, and that which the NHL takes into account in its disciplinary process, how does the NHL justify giving Laraque and Ovechkin the same suspension right now?
And to the multiple statements against Alzner that I’ve seen in this thread, and others, how paranoid can people get? He wasn’t looking as he was skating away from the hit with Corvo. He turned to go back to the bench and his leg was pinned. Definitely an unfortunate hit, and I hope the best for Corvo’s recovery, but seriously, let’s not be ridiculous and look for intent on that play when there clearly was none.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+a zillion.....
…for your name alone! That is awesome.
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by Douchebag St John on Dec 1, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t mean to imply for a minute that Alzner’s involvement in Corvo’s laceration was intentional. But still, maybe there could be an acknowledgement about being the one who puts one of the League’s most valued D-men out till Feburary or March. I dunno, guess it’s the southerner in me.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 1, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
What would he acknowledge? Did Rick Nash say anything (about Ward or the Ref, I honestly don’t know because I didn’t follow)? I’m not even sure what Alzner would say. I’m sure he’d acknowledge that Corvo hit him and his skate came up and caught him but I doubt he even truly realized what had happened in the heat of the moment.
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" Sorry 'bout that "...
….is never a bad thing, but this isn’t like Beard(Berard ,Beer Ard?) getting his eye cut out. I don’t think Alzner really owes anyone anything, it was a fluke that was not even due to reckless play.
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by Douchebag St John on Dec 1, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not expecting a press conference, but Caps’ PR might conjure up some verbage expressing concern on his behalf. Add it in to the release on Ovie’s suspension. This is a pretty devastating injury for both Joe and or franchise.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 1, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
2 games? That’s it? The second time in 3 games he pulls the same crap, gets kicked out of both games and only gets a 2 game slap on the wrist? Ridiculous.
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Actually, they were completely different hits. And the one against BUF was a bogus call and I’m sure the NHL is keeping that in mind.
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I SAW that hit I watched THAT GAME, it was a dirty hit, NOT a bogus call
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I was not with Garth....
…who was calling for Ovie to be suspended for life but that was at the very least a reckless play, which the spirit of the rules also cover. You have to take you are responsible for your opponents safety, that’s why kids have stop signs on the back of the jerseys.
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by Douchebag St John on Dec 1, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
There’s also a huge distinction between kids and pro athletes.
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Correct...
…..which is why the should be held to a higher standard for hits from behind and why, the play in Buff was not a " Bogus " call.
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by Douchebag St John on Dec 1, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. No. Pros can assume a higher degree of risk, and since they are being paid and at the highest point I tolerate a higher degree of violence. I don’t want little kids making more dangerous hits because you know you could ruin lives of people that never had a chance of getting to the NHL. Your logic is flawed. And AO hit Kaleta on the shoulder.
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It must be nice to be a homer....
….it has to be like living in a fugue state where one is blissfully ignorant of the reality. Sort of like watching " Lost Highway " on mescalin.
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by Douchebag St John on Dec 1, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Because I agree he should be suspended for the Gleason hit, but still maintain the Kaleta one didn’t deserve one, I’m a homer. Good job. You want me to cherrypick some homer comments around here? Argue on the merits, calling names won’t get you anywhere.
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Yawn.....
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by Douchebag St John on Dec 1, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Request – how about you make a post or even two or three about how you feel instead of responding to EVERYONE else’s comments about how wrong they each are? It would save you a TREMENDOUS amount of time… and me a tremendous amount of time sorting through them. Just a suggestion.
For the record
I think AO deserved two games for this hit because it was reckless and dangerous. I don’t think there was any intent to injure. I don’t think he’s ever shown intent to injure but he does have several reckless hits and that behavior needs to be curbed. He’s not even close to being among the dirtiest players in the league, doesn’t deserve to be demonized, and considering how many hits he throws every season it’s not fair to say he’s a cheap shot artist or tries to hurt people. He plays hard and hits whatever he can and crosses the line sometimes. I think he’s basically Dustin Brown with a ton more skill. Dustin Brown gets all this credit for being physical but people overlook his occasional over-the-line hits because he’s on the west coast, isn’t polarizing, and isn’t a star.
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Pronger also is worth mentioning in that breath. Great player, HHOFer, but his questionable dirty hits tarnish his record. I love watching OV play. He and Crosby are one of the many reasons I purchase Center Ice every year (as well as those sexy French feeds!!). But, one thing I don’t like to see is OV leaving his feet when he delivers a hit, or widens his stance on open ice hits. He does this ALL the time. He now has a suspension on his record. If OV does this during the playoffs (like when Pronger delivered a high elbow to Homstrom several years ago) he WILL get a game suspension.
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He always has a wide stance, it’s not just when he hits, but point taken.
As far as stars with snarl, how much did the questionable incidents of Maurice Richard and Gordie Howe tarnish their record? How do you think Peter Forsberg and Eric Lindros eventually go down in the record books? People remember these people for their amazing skill and their additions to the game. The other stuff is an afterthought.
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And concussions and feet…
Also the wider stance gives him a lower center of gravity, allowing him to get more leverage to move the other player off the puck and not get knocked back himself. That’s not trying to be dirty, it’s called being an effective hockey player.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Eric Lindross will be fondly remembered for having an asshole as a father, not skating with this head up most of the time, and a prima-donna nit-wit! Karma’s a bitch.
Rocket Richard and Gordie Howe style of hockey was way back when. Different game and era. I still remember the time Bobby Hull got cold-cocked by John Ferguson (leafs) who broke his jaw. Bobby wasn’t expected to play the next game at home (against the Leafs no less). But there he was. Little old ladies were flinging pennies on the ice trying to hit Ferguson (who didn’t play the last half of the game). Like I said, different era, different game.
AO is a great player. No denying that fact. How he is to be remembered for his additions to game is yet to be seen. Should he continue to be “reckless”, and God I hope not, he’ll still be great, but people will qualify that greatness with “he played a little dirty”. Being a physical therapist and kinesiologist, I am awed by AO’s kinesthetic awareness of his body moving at high speed, dangling the puck, falling on the ice and still scoring a goal. If he can have this control over his body/puck, then he can surely control the hits he gives. Hit ‘em hard, for sure. But let’s be clean. He’s been a bit careless of himself and others lately.
Here’s some great players who don’t have that to tarnish their careers: Gretzsky, M.Lamieux, Brett Hull, P. Esposito, M. Dionne…………. I’d like to have AO on this list.
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His stance is always wide. Now that is an issue from a body control standpoint, but he doesn’t widen it just to make a hit.
As for part about how history will judge him, I’m fairly certain it will be kind. Guys have had fairly poor reputations and are thought of quite highly down the road. Time has a way of taking some of the emotion out of such things.
A man gotta have a code
Agreed. I don’t think it was intentional. I think it was stupid… but not intentional. I, personally, think 2 games is fine.
Ovechkin is one of my favorite non-Canes. I think he brings a lot to the game, and I hope he’s not hurt. That said, I do think he’s immature, and I think he and Boudreau badly misplayed the situation with their comments to the press. Ruutu’s hit on Tucker was also stupid and not intentional, but he manned up. It would be nice to see Ovechkin do the same.
That’s my take on it.
Sounds like fun.
1.Ovechkin’s headlong style is what makes him great, but recently (Heward-Gonchar-Kaleta-Gleason) he’s shown what you might call reckless disregard.
2.He deserved 2 or 3 for the hit on that Lady Byng candidate of yours, and he got it.
3. Booing an injured player: Tacky, tacky, tacky.
I think the booing was unfortunate, but Canes fans are a little fragile right now. Cam’s thigh got sliced open, and Staal was out for two-three weeks. The team lost 14 games in a row and had just given up five goals in the third periods of back-to-back games… add that to seeing Corvo go off the ice with what appeared to be a serious injury, and then Gleason gets sprawled out by Ovechkin…. C’mon, give us a bit of a break.
Amortization
I can see where watching Ovechkin might be one reason tens of…people showed up at the rink. And you were booing Alex for stupidly cheating you of that experience? I guess I hadn’t thought of it that way.
Let’s see your team model that hard, clean game y’all so prize, when you visit next week.
Oh you saw that game?
Then clearly I should rethink. Guy saw him coming, AO hit him on the shoulder, not a dirty hit. 2 minutes for boarding was what the call should have been.
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Great line
Where’d you get it? Mind if I borrow it?
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and I hope the next time he pulls one of his goon moves he ends no ones career but his OWN!!!!!
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
Keep the class coming. He’s never ended anyone’s career, and it’s low as you can get to wish for anyone to have a career ending injury.
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Hmmm- ya sure about that?
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 1, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, until Bob drops the ban-hammer on me. If he feels I deserve it then so be it. I think it’s clear that when people want to have civil discussions I’m more than willing to engage that way. There are even a few examples in this thread!
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In point of fact, I got me a ban-hammer too. Just sayin’
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
never said I wished for it, I meant if he continues to play in this careless manner, I hope he is on the short end of the stick…
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
I’m pretty sure saying:
and I hope the next time he pulls one of his goon moves he ends no ones career but his OWN!!!!!
is saying you wish for the end of a career. Hope and wish are synonyms after all.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone think the Molsons will change the broadcasts to English now? I hate the games in French.
Change of pace?
A
The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
I actually enjoy watching games on RDS...
…something about watching the Habs in French feels " right ".
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by Douchebag St John on Dec 1, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Hey F&B, you brainiacs still can’t figure out why Ovechkin was booed off the ice last night?
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fans are supposed to cheer when a cheap shot artist knocks out one of their defenseman with a knee to knee hit?
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Nice Bubba...
…here I was thinking I was still posting on French and now " Holding The Stick " is sitting all by its lonesome.
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by Douchebag St John on Dec 1, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
+∞
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
You know what he meant. Come on now. You are better than that Bob. I don’t even agree with F&B on this one and stated so over at the Rink However, his point is at least a valid one.
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A man gotta have a code
I don’t think it’s ever OK to boo someone when they are injured, or to wish for an injury. Would the VC crowd do it? Maybe, but I’d condemn them for that too. I hated Michael Irvin as a player but was disgusted when the Philly fans booed his injury. Clearly you come down on the other side of that. Even the guys at Broad Street Hockey don’t think that stuff is cool (except MarioD).
We braniacs do know why the Caniacs booed AO, we just think it’s classless. And, FWIW, Cory seemed to agree. I see who the brains of this operation is. You love calling names and being condescending and dismissive, but you seem to have a hard time responding on the merits. Like BlogFather like blog sons I guess.
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It would be different id AO hadn’t gone out of his way to make a dirty hit. I would never boo anyone who was hurt, or cheer for an injury for that matter, but in this circumstance our player was also injured and it was by the negligence of AO.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
That’s fine. I’m not even disputing that he caused his own injury and deserved his punishment. What I’m saying is that in all my years as a hockey player and fan I’ve seen lots of players taken off the ice injured, including very unpopular players, and I’ve never seen fans boo like last night. I thought it was a basic human response that you don’t wish or applaud injury on other humans. You don’t need to like the hit, I don’t even like the hit, but that’s not a classy way to carry yourself.
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Neither is committing such a play then saying in the postgame press conference that you think you did nothing wrong when your playing style continues to endanger other players.
I like Ovechkin, but he needs to man up and realize he needs to learn when to pick his spots. Even Boudreau said that.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
And yet, despite BB saying that there are still comments in here ripping on him. Fine, AO thinks his hit is good, so did Laraques and basically every other NHL player ever penalized. That’s not new, and it’s not even relevant to the booing point. AO said his piece in the press conference, and you can disagree (and I do). Aaron Ward also said his piece and then watched his teammates go and goon it up for the third period. It goes both ways and nobody’s perfect. I don’t see why this makes AO so evil that his injuries should be outright applauded by fans.
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It doesn’t make him evil and I can’t defend the comments of my fellow fans that AO should be booed, and at that, any harder than the likes of Laraque, etc., it’s not even AO I’m really mad at. It’s Colin Campbell and his continuing bias for Star NHL players. And it’s probably not even him, it’s the league, knowing that they stand to lose money if a star sits.
I had friends who went to the game, excited to see Ovechkin play. I can’t fault anyone for a gut reaction to a dangerous play when they feel like they shelled out good money to witness him, purposefully or not, maim one of their team’s players.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’m totally with that. I get outraged with NHL discipline as well. I would love to see some consistency. I could even understand booing on the initial hit but after AO was down for so long and in such obvious pain coming off the ice the serenade was very unnecessary.
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Fair enough.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
You must not have a sense of hockey history...
…or have not been to very many hockey games. Remember when Rangers fans rocked the ambulance outside the Garden that was supposed to take LaFontaine to the hospital after a concussion? What’s worse – booing a player when he’s down, or that? How about cheering when Hospadar’s jaw got broken by Nystrom? Or fans chanting “Beat Your Wife, Potvin, Beat your wife” after Potvin had marital problems? Or throwing bags of powder over the glass at several different players who had cocaine problems? You are way too sensitive, Fehr. I have watched hockey in MANY different cities, and have never experienced fans as fair minded, classy & sympathetic as in Carolina.
Rocking the Ambulance?
That was horrible. But Rangers fans are often terrible. Do you really want to be known as slightly better than NYC?
I’m sure Carolina has many great fans but the booing was bad. Not one of their more endearing moments.
I’m pure class – I hope AO gets hit by a bus!
by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 1, 2009 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pure class alright
all of it third.
by redlineblue on Dec 1, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yep, cause I’ll be drivin’ that bus!
:)
by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Careful what you say – you might get party vanned like that kid in PA. :p
by harehareyukai on Dec 1, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
F&B
Brainiac is name calling? wow, are you sensitive.
I didn’t start with it anyway. you guys started with all the “classy” and “jealousy” and “redneck” comments.
question for you. Is Ovechkin a “classy” player? In my opinion, the fan response matched the action of the player. Normally, I would not condone booing an injured player, but he brought it upon himself with his actions.
GM of CanesCountry.com
Check out the guy pounding on the glass near the end of this clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5×3-dufZHg4
greaticepectations.blogspot.com
by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Braniacs, in the context you used it, did seem to be condescending. The implication was that we aren’t smart enough to understand why he got booed. We know why he got booed, we’re just upset that you would condone it.
Not sure about the redneck comment. I don’t remember seeing that. I’m also laughing at how many people are calling me sensitive. I’ll stick up for my position and hold it until someone challenges it based on facts and logic, not dismissive condescension.
AO will never win a Lady Byng, but I don’t think he’s classless or dirty either.
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
F&B
if you think he is a classy player, not much more to talk about. Many players in the league, let alone fans, would disagree with your assessment.
GM of CanesCountry.com
As far as I’m concerned there exists a difference between being classless and not being classy
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Is that like “known knowns, unknown knowns, and unknown unknowns”, or is that more of a “depends of what your definition of is is” thing? What’s in the water up there in DC? ;)
I don’t know what’s in the water in DC (I live in Maine), but I guess it probably comes down to a definition thing for me.
Classy is someone that is respectful and gentlemanly — the Lady Byng trophy winner — which Ovechkin ain’t.
Classless is, to me, someone who frequently shows a lack of respect and seemingly attempts to injure another player — Avery, J. Ruutu, Ott et al — this also doesn’t apply to Ovechkin.
And then there is the category of not being classy — a group that you can’t describe as gentlemanly, but they also aren’t the ones that are showing an intent to injure — and to me this is the group that applies to Ovechkin.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. It’s not as black and white as “is he classy or not?” Is Ryan Getzlaf classy? Do you have to be a Lady Byng candidate to be classy? If you follow the NHL you know that some of the most violent players on ice are considered some of the classiest players off the ice.
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
Bob said:
Normally, I would not condone booing an injured player, but he brought it upon himself with his actions.
Want to weigh in here. I was in the arena last night. I booed. Mainly because given Ovechkin’s propensity for theatrics, I felt his actions on the ice after the hit were less about being injured and more about being a drama queen. Perhaps if I had thought he was seriously injured, I would have shown more restraint. When you’re known to pull those types of histrionics, I guess you get to deal with the consequences of them. I’m sure he had some pain, but glad to see he was well enough to get walk back into the arena today for practice and walk out with zero noticeable limp (per Puck Daddy).
Before I lived here I lived in DC and supported the Caps. I was there during their SCF run. I was there during the Jagr years. I was there when “Simon’s Soldiers” invaded here. I’m a huge fan of Ted Leonsis and Olie the Goalie. When I moved here and bought tickets to support the local hockey team I continued to follow the Caps, and I loved Ovechkin when he first entered the league, to the point where I think I actually once commented on a message board that I wanted him to be my baby’s daddy. I loved his talent and his love for the game and the exuberance was contagious and I thought he was good for the sport. But his flamboyance has started to wear thin, to the point where he has become a caricature. And what disappoints me most is that he appears to have very little respect for the others who play the game, and it’s more and more apparent in his words and in his actions, and I don’t consider that good for the sport.
Just my humble opinion, of course.
SISU
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 1, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
AO has a history of faking injuries? Really? Care to point out other times when he has been “known to pull those types of histrionics”?
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 1, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say he faked injuries. You did.
SISU
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 1, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry, let me say that again because it didn’t come out right and there’s no edit capability here. I never said he faked an injury. You brought that subject up, not me.
SISU
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 1, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t get that either. Maybe just comparing AO to one of those histrionic soccer players that cave when they get bumped. I’ve never seen him do that. I did watch him score 4 goals with a broken nose, though.
Go Canes!
by ivyleager on Dec 1, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What I inferred, and correct me if I’m wrong LTD, was that you we’re saying perhaps Ovechkin exaggerated how hurt he was on the play, maybe to make it appear more like incidental contact rather than a poor choice of hit by himself.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 1, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’ve said it better than I did.
SISU
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 1, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well you said that he has a tendency towards the theatrical and that he was more being a drama queen than actually experiencing real injury. Whether or not you meant to imply that he often fakes injuries, that’s a logical assumption from the combination of those two comments.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you’re right. He’s not theatrical at all. What was I thinking?
SISU
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 1, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Congratulations! That has no bearing on my statement what-so-ever. I was stating how your argument could logically and reasonably be assumed to mean that Ovechkin frequently fakes injuries.
I never said he wasn’t theatrical. He has a tendency to do things that are theatrical and ridiculous. But faking injuries is not among those things.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Richards disagrees with you.
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
Mike Richards can eat a fucking porcupine.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I’m away from my photo archives right now, but I have some shots from one of the games last season where he tangled with Brind’Amour around our net and went down writhing in pain until he realized he wasn’t going to draw a penalty then he hopped up. I think it was the game where he couldn’t beat Joe Corvo, coincidentally, to the empty net at the end of the game. I’ve seen him do that several times in our arena.
I think there was another incident with Dustin Brown that I recall.
Sorry I can’t be more specific, but I can think of those two off the top of my head.
Like I said, just my personal opinion that he’s theatrical. Y’all wondered why we booed so I told you why I did.
I’ll regret the extra sleep I lose by your questioning my class.
SISU
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 1, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I felt his actions on the ice after the hit were less about being injured and more about being a drama queen. Perhaps if I had thought he was seriously injured, I would have shown more restraint. When you’re known to pull those types of histrionics, I guess you get to deal with the consequences of them.
So if I’m not supposed to interpret that as you thinking he was acting with regards to his injury (and has done so before), how am I supposed to interpret it?
What are the histrionics are you talking about that he is known for?
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 1, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Are you seriously arguing that this guy isn’t dramatic? I’m not saying he faked it, but I can see why people think he did.
There’s a gigantic difference between doing something ridiculous with a player from another team in a meaningless game that is held solely for revenue and entertainment, and has no bearing on the season (unless you ask guys like Horcoff and Richter) and an injury in a game that actually counts.
These two really can’t be compared. At all.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but you guys asked for examples of when he was a drama queen. I’m just saying that it’s indisputable that he is.
First of all, I didn’t, I just pointed out how what LTD said could be considered as implying Ovechkin has a tendency to fake injuries.
Second there’s a difference, at least in my opinion, between being a drama queen, and things such as the the ASG09 event (or even the Tampa Bay event). And personally I had no problem with the ASG event, as that game has no ramifications for the schedule and is purely for entertainment.
As for the goal celebration against Tampa Bay last year, can’t say I was a fan, mostly cause it was stupid and contrived. Just because someone acts in a ridiculous manner doesn’t mean they are likely to fake an injury. Someone that comes to mind is Clinton Portis. Ridiculous? Hell yes! But I can’t recall, off the top of my head, a single time he faked an injury.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I figured this was the type of thing that would be brought up, and yes, he loves to celebrate and play to the crowd. I don’t see how that is it all relevant to the claim that he was hamming up his injury. It takes a huge and not very logical leap to say that since he loves to celebrate he embellishes injuries. They are completely different things.
Also, when you are claiming a guy embellished an injury by saying he is “known for those types of histrionics”, it’s best to back up that claim with an example of “those types of histrionics”.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 1, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think I actually once commented on a message board that I wanted him to be my baby’s daddy.
If you listen really quietly, you can almost hear a Finn’s heart breaking. :D
hahahaha thanks for bringing the smile!
Naw, that was a looooooong time ago, and I assure you that it was only in reference to his incredible talent and skill. I’ve since seen the error of my ways. Besides, to me, Ovechkin looks like he doesn’t even bathe. I bet he smells. Ewwww…..
The Finn has nothing to worry about.
Nothing.
SISU
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 1, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I bet he smells. Ewwww…..
Find me one that doesn’t. Isn’t exactly the most pleasant smelling profession, that’s for sure.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
I have classic middle child syndrome-I have break the tension with a joke
Plus the Finn has all his teeth. And shaves every now and then. :)
I am sure he’ll sleep much easier tonight knowing he’s still number one in your heart. LOL
and still looks GREAT when he doesn’t shave…
:)
by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
not sure that any would argue that. Unless they were arguing that he looks even better when he doesn’t shave. I have heard that before… once or twice…
by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 1, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I really didn’t have the heart to tell these guys that we weren’t actually BOOing….
;-)
And in this case there is really no wrong answer in the shave or don’t shave question, now is there? JMHO…..
SISU
by Jamie Kellner on Dec 1, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously? With the goo-gahing?
greaticepectations.blogspot.com
by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 2, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I was at the game last night. Had 4 Craps fans sitting in front of me. I boo’d the jerk and was proud of it. My reason for boo’ing was he made a reckless hit that injured one of our players. I could care less if he got hurt. He made the hit, he brought it upon himself. As for the 4 Craps fans who were sitting in front of me.. they left and never returned to their seats. I guess they got tired of hearing all the names I was calling Ovie. :)
Live & Learn
As for the 4 Craps fans who were sitting in front of me.. they left and never returned to their seats.
Just like the other 50% of the arena, right?
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
Check the Caps attendance numbers in 2006, 2007, and 2008. you know, before they started winning and the bandwagon filled up? Caps fans should be the last to throw stones about attendance.
http://www.japersrink.com/2009/12/1/1181277/mama-ovechkin-gleason-needs-to-get
GM of CanesCountry.com
Yeah, what was the attendance 1/3 into the year after they went to the SCF? What about all that “We are EC Finalists and ready to take a step forward” talk? Sure lost interest quickly. Caps attendance wained after several years of incompetence and a fire sale. Coincidentally, after we locked up AO it picked up quickly. Didn’t you guys recently sign one of your stars long term? Love the enthusiasm.
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
So, with all the great attendance, a superstar, all the other talent on the team, blah, blah, blah… tell me, how many Stanley Cups do the Craps have now?
Live & Learn
Craps
It just makes you sound immature. Being rational in debates is how you win. Please don’t make this petty.
Tient le bâton
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Dec 1, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions
while are are on the "classy" topic
another link
classy statements by OV’s mommy
Mama Ovechkin: Gleason Needs to Get Himself a Pair of Glasses
and Caniacs are the classless ones? The apple does not fall far from the tree, for sure. One of these days the guy is going to cripple someone, then it will be the victim’s fault of course.
GM of CanesCountry.com
Even if she were completely without class, what would that have to do with the lack of class shown in booing an injured player off the ice?
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 1, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Because it is impossible for more than one party in any event to show a lack of class, obviously.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 1, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
knuckle draggin’ gulag whore…
Oh did I type that, dammit…
I’ll bet she looks like a troll, too.
The Crapitrolls of washington….hmmm has a ring to it.
A
The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
It only shows how strongly people feel about AO’s… personality. This is literally the only time I’ve seen such a thing in the RBC center. Every other time someone’s been hurt, the crowd has gone out of their way to applaud when/if they’re able to get up.
Everyone in the stadium was able to see the replay immediately, and could see quite clearly on the giant HD screen that he led with his leg, so you can imagine why we might boo…
by Raccoon Fink on Dec 1, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
That is pretty ridiculous. It would be like if a biased third party called a star in the league a joke for a hit that he hadn’t even seen.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 1, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, we didn’t quote it and make an article of it here and remark how wonderful he was and how right he was, did we?
GM of CanesCountry.com
and remark how wonderful he was and how right he was, did we?
Bob, WTF? Where in the Japers’ link does it condone her point of view? It’s a translated interview. J.P. publishes those things all the time without comment. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don’t. Usually it’s found in the comments (which I haven’t even looked at yet). Are you trying to distort the truth, or is it just second nature for you at this point?
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
I was talking about the classy comments, obviously. why do you come here if I just distort the truth. Would seem like an awful waste of time.
GM of CanesCountry.com
Careful, don’t use such big words, you might just confuse him and then he will conjure the birthday God and take yours away…
A game with the crapitrolls is like stepping in dog pooh. It’ll stick with you, but is curable with a little hygene..or a shoe scraper.
A
The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
That’s a good one. Suggest that I don’t understand the words that I used. Capitrolls is also hella clever. Maybe your next job should be designing a logo that doesn’t look like the toilet your season is flushing down.
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
by Rob Parker on Dec 2, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can you imagine such a thing?
A mother standing up for her son? What is this world coming to?
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
ummm…it’s his mom. what were you expecting? i know when i would bring home a bad grade, it was never my fault (always the teacher’s, my girlfriend’s, etc).
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 2, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like people in houses shouldn’t throw stones in general.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Really this whole “classy” crap is just pointless. There are jerks in every fanbase.
by hip_check on Dec 1, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True – I went to a canes game in DC and the fans there were pretty darned nice, even when the canes won.
by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 1, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I will completely agree with that. I was just hoping the jerks would be called out here, not defended.
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
You have more faith in humanity than I thought you would.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
According to your tagline, you don’t care about people’s opinions on Ovechkin anyways. ;)
by Raccoon Fink on Dec 1, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
F&B just likes to argue (and i say that with absolute respect). it’s good for the mind, good for the soul.
though the lawyer-to-non-lawyer ratio at japers’ rink is getting a little out of control.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 2, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
This is getting really boring.
greaticepectations.blogspot.com
by Great Ice-Pectations on Dec 2, 2009 12:14 AM EST reply actions
Weak sauce
In this thread…
I’m pure class – I hope AO gets hit by a bus!
A game with the crapitrolls is like stepping in dog pooh. It’ll stick with you, but is curable with a little hygene..or a shoe scraper.
And somebody’s mother was called a…
knuckle draggin’ gulag whore…
And you banned Fehr & Balanced? Weak sauce, Harwood. Weak sauce, Canes fans.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 2, 2009 1:31 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Weak sauce if you take a couple of people’s smack talk in a freakin’ comment thread as indicative of an entire fan base.
Hip_Check is correct if you quote me and try to use it against this board or as an examplar, you are way off base. I am barely tolerated around here, mainly to the classy nature of most of the folk. I have met Andrea’s Evil Twin and can assure you she is a top shelf human being and hockey fa,I on the other hand I am lower than whale shit. You may want to research the people you quote and use, you will end up looking like al gore if you don’t.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Or, we could look at the reaction of that same fanbase in the arena. They booed an injured player off the ice. In large numbers. That goes far beyond a couple of comments in a comment thread. At the same time, condoning and encouraging that behavior is the very epitome of classless behavior.
You can separate behavior in one incident from character and I’m not saying that the entirety of the fanbase misbehave consistently or are classless. What I will say is that from the evidence I heard on TV (the boos) and what I’ve seen in this blog, this was an incident that reflects very poorly on the fans of the Hurricanes, irrespective of how you feel about that hit.
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
And as I pointed out elsewhere, we all saw the replay. I am not normally a booer; I wouldn’t have booed him if I hadn’t seen the reckless/dirty/however-you-want-to-characterize-a-bad-hit hit, and I’m sure there are many others who feel the same. Not that I’m claiming it was a classy thing to do, but at the very least understandable given the circumstances.
If Avery did the same to one of your last remaining uninjured D-men, I suspect you’d hear the same in the Verizon Center.
by Raccoon Fink on Dec 2, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Booing the hit is understandable (and justified), booing the player off the ice in that situation is not.
I would not boo Avery off the ice in the same circumstance. There are probably many who would, and it would reflect just as poorly on the Caps fanbase in attendance as it did on the ’Canes last night.
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well, except for Washington, the cultural and moral armpit of the country, I hear alot of talk from other teams that “it’s about tima AO got it”. Maybe your fancy little goon got his come uppins? If it hurts his or his momma’s feelings getting booed, you may want to warn him, he’s probably gonna get it next time too. Injured or not.
A
The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Thank you for not addressing any of the points in my post. Thank you also for painting my home town with a broad brush that’s totally inaccurate. Not to mention totally irrelevant.
AO gets booed anytime he touches the puck anytime he plays against a team in the Atlantic division. He probably cares || that much about what you think.
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
That seals it!! ANybody ignorant enough to stick up for DC has no grasp of reality.
So if booing isn’t a bother why bitch about it? Actually why even come here? Are you so cretinous that you actually think you will sway anybodys opinion here? Maybe you just want to rub our fans noses in the failure…hmmm, not unlike booing a goon…
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
The double exclamation points really sealed the validity of your argument, spot on. Except not. You’re using this the same way people use the ad hominem fallacy, except this is even less relevant to the point under discussion. I’m impressed with your ability to break the rules of reasoning.
My distinction, the entire time, has been that booing the play and the player is fine under normal conditions, booing him off the ice and hoping for a career ending injury is not fine. It’s not fine when you do it, it’s not fine when anyone else does it.
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Well, here’s a triple exclamation, I hope the troll is crippled and your team goes right back to sucking ass!!!
While you may find me impressive, i find you to be tedious, untruthful and being pretty much a leech on the patience of the people that run this blog.
You and your horse, pal.
A
The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
That’s because we’re spoiled with good commenters at Japers’ Rink
by red army line on Dec 2, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I just so happened upon this, and, for goodness sake, it’s a game, and other team’s fan bases hate teams who low brow them. Is it so much to expect some kind of anger as a response?
The few times I’ve looked into Canes Country were during last years playoffs, and throughout their injury riddled season so far to hear their thoughts on what’s up. Just because one guy from your team throws another recorded cheap shot and people get bad about it isn’t some kind of a free pass to take a jab at any fan base.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for Deking a Duper Deke that made a Duper Duck.
I can’t figure out what you’re trying to say here.
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I’m saying the guy is trying to throw a team’s fan base under the bus by nit picking comments from people mad over one of his own player’s cheap shot. The simple response would have been, “What in the hell do you expect,” but I suppose I’ll leave the more confrontational stuff up to you guys at this point.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for Deking a Duper Deke that made a Duper Duck.
I don’t accept your cheapshot categorization, but we’re going to disagree on that. You see it your way, I see it mine.
I’m saying the guy is trying to throw a team’s fan base under the bus by nit picking comments from people mad over one of his own player’s cheap shot.
It’s one thing to be angry, it’s another thing to condone what happened in the stands and another thing still to wish career ending injury or death on the player responsible. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to call people out for the latter, especially if those same people are angry at a perceived lack of class.
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Again, my response is what do you expect after your player did something even your own fan base doesn’t think was a clean hit? I don’t approve of a single thing Flyers fans do when Crosby plays in Philadelphia, but I know their boards here are full of great people who we never run into problems with. Of the whole fan base, and after a dirty hit, you should expect a few melodramatic voices to call for his head, just as I do every Brett Favre highlight I see as a native of Wisconsin.
You wouldn’t have expected him to have been cheered like a hero for what he did if it happened in Washington or anything, so I don’t why you call people classless for a player you support doing something just as classless.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for Deking a Duper Deke that made a Duper Duck.
You’re avoiding the point. I don’t care if they boo his play. I do care that they condone and encourage booing injured players, irrespective of who they are. I do care that they wish career-ending injuries or death on that player. It’s wrong here, it’s wrong in New York, it’s wrong in Philly, it’s wrong everywhere. Just because you expect something doesn’t make it good, mete, or right.
You wouldn’t have expected him to have been cheered like a hero for what he did if it happened in Washington or anything
What does this have to do with what happened?
so I don’t why you call people classless for a player you support doing something just as classless.
I call the hit reckless and I absolutely do not support it, as I pointed out above. There’s a distinction between supporting the player and supporting a specific action.
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Excuse me, not above, rather below. But still prior.
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not avoiding a thing as much as you haven’t understood what I said from my first comment.
It has to do what happened because you keep coming back to this notion of booing and jousting, and I think you should speak on behalf of your own fan base in regards to such a thing as that. All fans do it, and all fans have their sour grapes over certain players or circumstances. I’m not justifying any of that, but I find it bizarre you’re apparently in search of some kind of fan base Utopia where everyone is happy being happy.
All I’ll say on Mr. Ovechkin, is I don’t think he ever intends to do what he does, but he does want to put hits on people and is so aggressive to get those hits that it can lead to someone getting hurt badly. When that happens, I’d expect the other team to be ticked, and, just as well, their fans.
Simple question you should ask is this: If I’m a die hard Carolina Hurricanes fan, what do I think? If you are able to tear yourself from your own affiliation, you should be able to see where some people can just be too angry for their own good. Personally, I went from saying Alex was amazing to watch, and showed class for his gestures to Gonchar last year, to wondering why he has to do things like this when he’s as great of a player as he is.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for Deking a Duper Deke that made a Duper Duck.
That was several very lucid posts, Lavender. I pose to you that the duck isn’t really trying to have arational conversation, more like trying to be an eloquent troll.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Seldom Right, Never in Doubt
About the guys who come by from Japer’s Rink: Seems like they generally love to stir things up – they particularly consider the Canes as their favorite target (or maybe the Pens, Rangers, Flyers, umm, who am I missing?). While not trolls, the folks who post on opposing teams sites just love the battle – is it coming from a world where politics and verbal attacks are the key to power?
Reminds me what my brother says about lawyers: Seldom right, never in doubt. (apologies to the 1% of lawyers who are rational and restrained)
I guess if you like the sparring, enjoy. Otherwise, ignore.
Hurricanes Hockey:
Never for the faint of heart.
Nor for the weak of stomach.
by Carolyn Christians on Dec 2, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm spar or ignore….spar or ignore…
on a rainy dreary day with nothing much to do…spar or ignore…
could write a country song like that..
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Ignore.
To quote Steve Czaben, “Don’t argue with the unintelligent. They’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Just thought I’d have a say, because this is one of the couple SBN blogs I look over, and never see any issues at all.
PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for Deking a Duper Deke that made a Duper Duck.
Let’s review; I’ve been responding to posts via direct quotations, you’ve been bringing weak ad hominem and other unrelated arguments. Who’s trolling again?
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Explain jousting?
but I find it bizarre you’re apparently in search of some kind of fan base Utopia where everyone is happy being happy.
Even if I were, would expecting the best of people be so wrong? Even so, I’ve been condemning specific behaviors that go far beyond the pale and far beyond the norms of human decency.
All I’ll say on Mr. Ovechkin, is I don’t think he ever intends to do what he does, but he does want to put hits on people and is so aggressive to get those hits that it can lead to someone getting hurt badly. When that happens, I’d expect the other team to be ticked, and, just as well, their fans.
Glad we’ve reached agreement here. This has been my position.
Simple question you should ask is this: If I’m a die hard Carolina Hurricanes fan, what do I think? If you are able to tear yourself from your own affiliation, you should be able to see where some people can just be too angry for their own good.
Like I said before, I understand anger. I also understand being overcome with rage at the events that happened. What I do not understand and will not condone is booing an injured player off the ice, then having the gall to talk about class, or wishing for his demise via bus collision, or wishing him career-ending injury.
To put it another way, I hate Sean Avery as much as I’ve ever hated anyone and I would not boo him being helped off the ice because he couldn’t make it under his own power. Ever. I wish he’d stop being a douchebag and I’ll boo him mercilessly every time he takes the ice or touches the puck, but I don’t wish him personal injury.
Personally, I went from saying Alex was amazing to watch, and showed class for his gestures to Gonchar last year, to wondering why he has to do things like this when he’s as great of a player as he is.
These sentences are not mutually exclusive; they can both be true at the same time.
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I do care that they wish career-ending injuries or death on that player.
It’s a big jump to go from “booing a bad hit” to “wish career-ending injuries or death on that player.” I can’t speak for the other booers, but I don’t wish such a thing on AO, I only wish for him to learn to be less reckless, and without consequences like a suspension, he’s going to continue to think his recklessness is a net win. There are always a few people who say “OMG I HOPE HE’S HURT FOREVER” but I suspect most people, and even the majority of the booers, are not those people.
I booed his behavior, and that is all.
Booing the behavior is all well and fine, as I’ve said before.
The taking umbrage with wishing career-ending injuries or death on a player is pulled directly from this thread in multiple instances across multiple posters and there have been few, if any, internal condemnations of that kind of garbage. Indeed, there’s been agreement and encouragement in some quarters. Not cool and certainly not classy.
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
F&B says when he tries to post he gets a message that says "Sorry, you are no longer allowed to comment here." Sounds like a ban to me.
And I’ll amend “Weak sauce, Canes fans” to “Weak sauce, Canes Country.” Didn’t mean to impugn anyone who wasn’t here. But I am not limiting myself to just the folks who posted those things excerpted above. Some of you have always been very civil — Cory and hockeymomof2 stand out. You write with passion, but in control.
But for all of you — if you saw the phrase “knuckle draggin’ gulag whore” fly out there, or if you saw someone wish death upon a hockey player, and you didn’t step up, then you deserve the community you have. The best SB sites police themselves. Do you really want this to be that kind of place? If you don’t, then call someone out.
And Paladin, your “I’m an asshole, so I can say whatever I want” defense holds no water with me. You wouldn’t last two days on other SB sites. You’re what the banhammer was made for.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 2, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Can’t speak for others on here, but I chose not to give those posts you’re talking about any more life than they already had. It goes back to that old saying “I’m not going to dignify that with a response.”
by caniacgirl on Dec 2, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’ve been sucked into that particular vortex before. FWIW I don’t think anyone on here genuinely wants anyone dead (just like when someone says “I’m going to kill you” they don’t mean it 9 times out of 10).
However, I think everyone (on both sides of the great OV debate) needs to keep in mind that emotions are running a bit high in Caniacland right now and nerves are frayed. Things tend to come out much harsher than originially intended when this is the case. Then when you add in opposing fans, it’s a recipe for disaster. It’s unfortunate, but true. We’re generally a pretty fun group of people on here-I think you caught the collective us at a really really bad time.
Not to mention some of the collective us are prone to hyperbole at the best of times.
Everyone will get over this, and leave us to wallow in our shared Caniac misery.
well, F&B is either a liar or mistaken. I warned him. That was all. Even Cory said that he was not banned, and he stands out, right? Or is Cory a liar too?
Do you really want this to be that kind of place? If you don’t, then call someone out.
I don’t want this to be a place where fans from other teams come just to start trouble. You guys are having a great season. Why don’t you go enjoy it?
GM of CanesCountry.com
I don’t want this to be a place where fans from other teams come just to start trouble. You guys are having a great season. Why don’t you go enjoy it?
I totally understand your point in the first sentence. If someone comes trolling onto your site just looking to start trouble then by all means deal with them. However, I think what Gould was referencing was the tone aspect of things. I myself personally feel that some of the comments made towards people, players, and my hometown have crossed the line civility wise.
I first came over here prior to this season when there were discussions on how the SE Division was going to end of going this season. I ended up having some fruitful discussions, especially with Cory. I have twice come on during this season and mentioned how I don’t think the Canes will stay in the basement all year. I also, commented on the Ward signing as well, as I am a big believer in Cam. Heck, the day of the game when many Canes fans were posting about how worried they were about a blowout I cam on and reassured that I expected a close game.
If by me being a Caps fan and commenting occasionally on your site bothers you then I certainly will not comment and/or unsubscribe if asked. I don’t ever want to go somewhere I’m not wanted or respected.
A man gotta have a code
All I am here is a commenter, but I welcome your participation. Some people come in and immediately get into arguments, but others get into fruitful discussions, and it’s the same with our group here — some people will engage you, others will be harsh. It’s the same everywhere. I post at Japer’s occasionally and have never gotten into anything, because I look past the insults that, yes, do occur. Hopefully you can look past the people who throw insults here & find some community with those looking for a place to exchange intelligent ideas.
Thanks.
Trust me if I see you commenting at Japers and think that replies are distasteful I will definitely jump in and put in my 2 cents. I’m all for good natured ribbing, but there is a line. I like it even less when its one of our own crossing it.
I can definitely look past the insults. Heck, I don’t even mind some of them. It’s when its just all name calling without discussion that I can do without.
A man gotta have a code
Oh, come now… I was just giving Fehr what he wanted to hear, since this thread had descended into shit-slinging, I thought I would try to reflect his impression of us and stir up a little more shit. I don’t really give a rats-ass what he thinks about us if he’s going to come on here and throw shit at us caniacs. Does he expect us not to throw shit back?
Of course I’m mad about that hit, and part of me does want AO to get hit by a bus. I feel it’s perfectly within reason to completely disrespect him because of the way he plays with such reckless disrespect for other players. If I felt that he was just a hard player that played with respect for his fellow players then things would be different. You show me that man, I will not wish for pianos to fall on his head.
by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 2, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I applaud all who booed ovechkin
The only reason to leave your leg on the ice like that is for a knee to knee collision, with the intent to hurt. If Ovie gets himself hurt on the play, well, that is his own fault.
well, sure you do.
I mean, what else does a ’Canes fan have to applaud?
by redlineblue on Dec 2, 2009 6:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The only reason to leave your leg on the ice like that is for a knee to knee collision
…or to maintain balance and leverage as you put your shoulder into someone.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 2, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Ovechkin kneed Gleason. Both players went down. The RBC showed a replay. Ovechkin was obviously at fault. The Canes fans booed. Both players went off. Gleason came back to the game. Ovechkin stated he didn’t think he was wrong and skated that morning. Boudreau initially defended the hit. Ovechkin got suspended anyway because the NHL deemed it was illegal. Some fans in both teams’ fanbases think it’s a bad decision. Some think it’s fair. Can we move on?
The Canes fans booed. Both players went off.
And continued to boo the injured player as he was assisted off the ice by the training staff, clearly unable to skate under his own power.
Boudreau initially defended the hit. Ovechkin got suspended anyway because the NHL deemed it was illegal
You’re expecting a coach not to defend his own player who was just injured and hadn’t yet been evaluated in the media? Also, what bearing would that possibly have on the NHL’s decision to suspend him? A suspension was forthcoming (and justified, in my opinion) whether or not Boudreau said anything at all, either in defense or in offense.
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 2, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
This topic is getting old. People in the stands booed when they showed the replay, at the same time that they were helping Ovie off the ice, after taking out one of our best players. It happened. People were not booing Ovie as a person, they were booing the replay of his hit, and the fact that he hurt Gleason. It was an unfortunate cooincidence. I’m genuinely sorry that your feelings are hurt by that. But it’s time to move on.
Wow - I missed all this last night
I guess we’ve found our rivals for the season.
This has the makings of a wonderful dramatic re-match on the 11th. Wardo back, Gleason pumped, and David meets Goliath.
Road-trip?
Hurricanes Hockey:
Never for the faint of heart.
Nor for the weak of stomach.
by Carolyn Christians on Dec 2, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions
Yawn
Warning: DC’s full of attorneys that like nothing better than to argue, just to hear their head roar.
Guess they feel sorry for movie villains, too, when they do something stupid and get themselves hurt…or, they’ll sure argue that you should “respect the injured villain”, particularly if you’ll take the opposite view.
I didn’t boo, but I sure thought “what a jerk!”, even as he was being “helped” off the ice. Agree that the guy’s such a drama queen that you never really know…or care.
I used to like him. Now, not so much.
I’ve stayed out of this conversation but equating movie villains (people that aren’t real) to actual real people? That’s some terrible hyperbole right there.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 2, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
DC’s full of more than attorney’s…
And the real pill is they live in Va. and dilute our voting base. Wish they’d stay in that crap hole of a district.
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I think DC’s great, had a lovely time there this past weekend. Let’s maybe try to avoid the ad hominem stuff.
by hip_check on Dec 2, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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