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Bryan Rodney Reassigned to Albany

The Carolina Hurricanes reassigned defenseman Bryan Rodney to Albany this afternoon.  It is expected that Tim Gleason will be ready to play against the New York Rangers on Monday night.

This move means that Rodney remains behind Jay Harrison and Brett Carson on the Carolina depth chart, a position many fans might not agree with.  While Harrison and Carson have played well, Rodney is better on the powerplay and has scored more points per game played.  The Carolina powerplay has thrived recently and is rated the best in the NHL during the month of December. 

Time will tell if the reassignment hurts the team's performance while with the man advantage.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Bryan Rodney 10 0 5 5 -4 4 0 0 0 0 14 0.0


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Brett Carson 7 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 5 0.0


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Jay Harrison 17 1 4 5 -7 29 0 0 0 0 12 8.3

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Disappointing.

Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?

by hockeymomof2 on Dec 20, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

Yea, but he’ll be back.

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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......

by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all good....

We’re seeing a lot of the Albany boys and the mixing/matching going on. We’re rebuilding, and despite it being painful at the moment, I think we are starting to get a glimpse of potential for next year. I wouldn’t be surprise to have Rodney back soon anyway. Pehaps A.Ward gets put on Re-Entry waivers and gets picked up.

by Franklnc on Dec 20, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Albany Rats on Defense Next Year

The Albany Rats will be everywhere next season, I think. Defense looks something like:

Gleason/Pitkanen

Carson/Rodney [Assuming Corvo traded]

Alberts/McBain/Harrison

 It looks to me like Corvo will only be traded if another puck moving defenseman can be obtained. The Albany Rats have really done an excellent job under the circumstances. They bring a high degree of “want to win” with them.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see two “former” Rats in the lineup and a third as the 7th defenseman, but I don’t know about three in the opening lineup. I still think the Canes should find one more defenseman that was some NHL experience and ability (unlike AWard on the ability part).

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t that an oximoron? Award has a shit pile of exper. and sucks. rod has a HOF career and sucks. The kids are bringing it every night.

I’d go with as many rats as we can fit. I’d fit a helluva lot more. Don’t figure t hat will happen, but I hope there is a rotations of them. We are already paying them, let’s see what we are paying for!

Buying somebody else at this point is stupid. Shitty performing team in transition is not where you want o bring in a new high dollar guy. Once the trade deadline hits, maybe a more solid structure will appear and then maybe…

On the other hand, how many guys do we have that can fill the teams needs? I think we need to see a lot more Rats before that descision is made..

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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......

by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

So, you would like next year’s defense to consist of:
Pitkanen, Gleason, Rodney, Alberts, McBain, Carson, and Harrison?

I like the Rats, but that would be hanging Cam out to dry every night. The only ones that are really defensive are Gleason and Alberts. I would like to see a young defenseman with some experience (like a Coburn or Barker). Then you can play the kids and not be so problematic in your own zone. Have a combination like:

Pitkanen-Coburn or Barker
Rodney-Gleason
Carson-Alberts
McBain or Harrison as your 7th & 8th

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Uhhh, not sure what you are smokin’ but the total bypass of Award and Wallin is neat. Not to mention the fact that when the kids are in the D is better. Why you include Harrison is odd. I like the no Ward.

As for hanginf Cam out. Hmmm, not like that ain’t been done over and over so far this year…

And gee, he ain’t always been up to the task, now has he?

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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......

by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

hey watch it with the Cam bashing, he can’t help it that the total team suckiness has rubbed off on him…oh, and then you add the freak injury to that

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Is “total team suckiness” a technical term? :)

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

it is in my dictionary ;)

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Add “TTS” to the stats column! If we add enough stats we could be… erm… baseball fans?

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by Raccoon Fink on Dec 20, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO!!! by the way Forslund gave a thumbs up to the poster!!

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome!

Now if he says “Gleason for Emperor” during the broadcast, we’ll be set…

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by Raccoon Fink on Dec 20, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure Tripp could go in many different directions with that

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Tripp would probably want it to be Caligula.

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by Raccoon Fink on Dec 20, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I am torn between wanting to be around for that telecast and wanting to be anywhere else during it.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

On a scale of say 1 to 10 we’d have to be a 10.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not trying to bash Cam, I would just like to see him get a little help. Having a defense next season of half rookies, I just think that would put a lot of pressure on him with their rookie mistakes. All players make mistakes, but rookies usually (and I’m saying usually Paladin) make more than experienced players.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Jen was probably talking about Paladin bashing Cam not you.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

YUP

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, gotta give Paladin a hard time, it’s my job…
I’m just curious about something, why do all the guys think Corvo is gone after this season?? I don’t see it..

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t either. Perhaps prior to his injury, he would have priced himself out of our price range. But now, trading partners would be limited and the amount he’d command in the offseason would be reduced as well. Plus he has a family that is pretty settled here from what I know.

It would be a bit of a stretch if he wants a ton of money or a long-term deal, but I could see JR actively pursuing him more than almost any of the other UFAs.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree the injury has probably cost him some money, but Beauchemin was injuried most of last year and got a $11.4M/3 year deal ($3.8M per). Puck moving defenseman are expensive in this league, especially one’s with a right handed shot.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

   Jim Rutherford tends to trade players who are in the last year of their contract if they want to test the UFA market. Corvo is also 32 years old and Jim Rutherford has said he prefers to go with more youth.

   For all the reasons being discussed, I think Corvo will be traded only if another puck moving defenseman with experience has already been obtained via trade. I am fine with Corvo being re-signed. He has put up tremendous defensive minutes for the Hurricanes.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I see the Christmas spirit has hit Paladin like a stocking full of bricks. I guess I have a better chance of actually seeing Santa on Friday than Paladin having a positive outlook.

I think Corvo is gone because we are moving toward getting younger, he would probably want a decent pay increase (IMO around $3.5M) and sometimes change is good (unlike this season, where we brought almost everyone back).

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Corvo’s injury and the recession will have an impact on the size of his contract. I also wonder what Seidenberg will get as he goes the UFA route again.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but then look at a team like LA who has too many young players and they may be looking to add some veterans to their roster. I think it’s all about balance, I think keeping Corvo will be in the best interest of the team, he can certainly help develop the younger d-men.

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s exactly why I am in favor of keeping a few veterans (not all, but a few). There is something to be said for leadership and experience.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We would still have veterans in Pitkanen, Gleason, and Alberts. Again, I would also like to get a trade for a young d-Man with some NHL experience.

I would actually rather have the kids learn from a player like Gleason than Corvo. Joe is a good player, but like Staal, his confidence is shaken often and I don’t want the young guys learning that. The kids will make mistakes and Gleason’s way would be to move on and work harder. Corvo’s way would be to dwell on the mistake.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

believe me you will find no bigger supporter of Gleason than me, but when you throw in Pitkanen with his “glass-like” physique and he’s out for any amount of time you are looking at a much more inexperienced blue-line, much like what we have dealt with so far this season…

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t talking about Corvo specifically as being the source of leadership and experience, but I get your point. Personally, I don’t consider guys like Gleason, Pits and Albe veterans yet. Whitney, Walker and Wallin are veterans IMO.

I do think that Gleason has the most potential to mentor young guys like Rodney and Carson. But I think we still need guys to mentor the second generation of leaders so to speak. The Staals, Sutters, Gleasons and Pitkanens of the team still need a slap of reality every once in a while. And guys like Whitney (he’s the best example I can come up with) are the ones that will do it.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I get what your saying. I really think we should trade Whitney at the deadline for a draft pick and then resign him this offseason to a 2 year deal. Something like $3M the first year, $1M the second. I also wouldn’t be against resigning Wallin to a 1 year deal if we could get the price around or under $1M. I don’t think he’s great, but I don’t think he horrible either. He’s a third pairing guy that doesn’t play a lot of minutes, but could fill in when injuries occur. Again, that is if we can get the numbers right on Wallin.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting idea on trading and then resigning Whitney. I wonder what the rules about that are. I think what will be important this offseason will be striking a balance between bringing in youth but not completely throwing away everyone over the age of 30. I’d hate for JR to go to that extreme.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The Blues have done it so many times with Keith Tkachuk that they may own the patent. :-D

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think there are any rules against it, he is an UFA and can sign with anyone.

Prospal was traded from Tampa to Philly a couple years ago and then resigned with Tampa that offseason.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What happened to your friend Paladin? He hasn’t made some crazy comment in a while. Did he go to sleep or pass out from the heavy drinking?

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Here are a couple of examples closer to home – Mark Recchi and Doug Weight. Both came here and went back to their respective clubs after they won the Stanley Cup with us.

Not complaining.

SISU

by LTD on Dec 20, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, they were ‘rental players’

by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 21, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if they always had that agreement in place prior to getting traded. Can you even do that?

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 21, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Recchi had a NTC

he waived it. The Canes were doing something and the Pens, well sucked.

Happerry Chrisolkwanaka

by lcd2you on Dec 21, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m talking about next year. See the beginning thread’s title (Albany Rats on Defense Next Year).

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you. We need a real NHL D-man added to the mix.

So, yes, drop Harrison to make room for some real talent.

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is my Lineup:

Gleason – Barker
Babchuk – Pitkanen
Alberts – Mcbain

by JussiJuice on Dec 21, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Carson/Rodney as 7th

by JussiJuice on Dec 21, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Not too shabby

But, lest we not forget Casey Borer who has begun his rehab and skating FINALLY!

Go Canes!

by ivyleager on Dec 21, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

He’s a wash out. Trade material maybe.

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I have an upside, he’s not A Ward…

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

+2

F-N-A!!!!!!

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Raccoon Fink on Dec 20, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

ha ha ha!!!!

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if the Eye would put this on a jersey…

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It was originally gonna be...

“F’IN A. WARD” but it looked kinda weird. That might be more likely to make it onto a jersey though.

Best jersey I’ve seen in the RBC center was a guy with a Toronto Maple Leafs sweater. The back said:

LOSERS SINCE

           67

….Bwahahah!

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by Raccoon Fink on Dec 20, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Very nice!

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

did he have a bag over his head?? LOL!

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Harrison v. Ward and Wallin

Harrison has better stats in 17 games than A. Ward and Wallin. He is playing far better after returning from Albany. I prefer Rodney, Carson, and Alberts over Harrison if I had to choose.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I never had an issue with him even prior to him going to Albany. Considering what his role is (7th d-man or lower), he’s done fairly well. That being said, I would have kept Rodney over him if Gleason is in fact coming back.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss Timmy :(

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I know-me too. But I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t in the lineup tomorrow night.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

So would Timmy. I think he wanted to play last time.

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure he wanted to play against Dallas and in Florida as well. That’s just the way he is.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

My point exactly. Given his druthers he’d be there. so he’s gonna be there lickety split.

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Make sure he sees the poster!!!!! ;)

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I will do my best. I better put it near my purse now or I will forget it tomorrow night.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll Tivo, just in case!!! LMAO!!

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it still a cap balancing act. Rodney makes slightly more than Harrison and we are balancing on the edge of the cap.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually nhlnumbers has Harrison having a bigger cap hit than Rodney. Rodney makes more in actual salary though.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad, the information I had said that Harrison had a $500K cap hit and Rodney had a $550K cap hit.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s their salaries. Cap hit is $415K for Harrison and $376K for Rodney.

I’m never entirely sure on the accuracy of numbers from the internet so we could both be wrong!

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I see what your seeing now. The numbers I listed are their cap hits if they played the entire year. The numbers you are looking at represent their cap hit from the days they have already played through the end of the season. So, Rodney does make slightly more than Harrison, but Harrison’s cap hit is higher because he has more time to date in the NHL.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah. That makes a lot of sense. I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not the cap expert around here so I suspected that there was more to it than I was seeing.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have kept Rodney over Harrison, but maybe Daniels wouldn’t take no for an answer.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

+1, i wonder how much say Daniels has, if any?

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

zero

Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?

by hockeymomof2 on Dec 20, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I wouldn’t go that far HM. I mean he doesn’t get to call up JR at home and demand that they send him player X by such and such a time or else. But he does help the coaches/front office decide who comes up by providing some scouting information. I could also see him politely inquiring as to when so and so might return if we had a few days off.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 20, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

   I like how Rodney and Carson have been playing. I would have thought Harrison would be sent back and Rodney would stay. Rodney has five assists in ten games. Rodney will catch Brind’Amour in total points and possibly in goals this year.

   The team has a much, much better won-loss record when the Albany Rats are on the team. Accordingly, I wonder if Wallin will be put on injured reserve. Supposedly, there are going to be many more trades in February than normal due to the Olympic Break.

   As soon as the money works out, Wallin, A.Ward, and Brind’Amour ought to sit to make room for the Albany Rats.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

dont agree

I think Rodney looked great. A quick skater – not to mention his passing and breakouts from our own end are responsible for several of the goals in the last few games. Carson looks decent but seems to lack confidence. I don’t have an issue with Harrison – he’s looking much better than before he went to Albany.

I’d rather have Rodney than Ward on the backend. Only thing missing would be Wards blocked shots.

by 911junkie on Dec 20, 2009 5:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Put the bong down…

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass pass GOAL!!!!

by 911junkie on Dec 20, 2009 8:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My point was you two agreed on the most part.

I get your point.

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

A Ward cleared waivers, why not send him down before putting him on re-entry??

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Dec 20, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure you can euthanise a player just for sucking. I think he needs to break a leg or something first..

If not, there are several Canes that should get put down

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Off topic

This is off topic, but a post brought this up yesterday. Someone said that with all of the money coming off the Canes books this season, they could go sign a good UFA or resign a couple of players like Whitney and Cullen. Here is what the Canes cap looks like so far for next year.

They currently have $18.63M coming off the books. Whitney, Cullen, Walker, Yelle, Corvo, Ward, Wallin, Harrison, Legace, Conboy, and Leighton’s half. Tanabe’s and Hamilton’s buyout also comes off the books.

They currently have $41.46M committed to 13 players and Kaberle’s buyout. Staal, Ruutu, Brind’Amour, Cole, Samsonov, Jokinen, LaRose, Sutter, Kostopoulos, Pitkanen, Gleason, Alberts, and Ward. So, to fill out their roster they need between 4/5 forwards, 4/5 defenseman, and a goalie. So based on the current cap (which may go up or down a little), the Canes have $15.34M to spend. This was an uncommon year for the Canes, spending all the way up to the cap. I really see PK only authorizing a budget around $52M, maybe $53M. Let’s say $53M, so now our available money for 10 players is $11.54M.

Here is a list of possible fill-ins within our organization.
Boychuk – $1.225 cap hit
Bowman – $0.875 cap hit
Dwyer – $0.500 cap hit
Tlusty – a RFA after this season ($0.941 cap hit – minimum 10% RFA raise)
Samson – a RFA after this season ($0.543 cap hit – minimum 10% RFA raise)
Carson – a RFA after this season ($0.575 cap hit – minimum 10% RFA raise)
Rodney – a RFA after this season ($0.605 cap hit – minimum 10% RFA raise)
McBain – $0.850 cap hit
Peters – a RFA after this season ($0.550 cap hit – minimum 10% RFA raise)
Taylor Hall (project draft pick) – the last two #1’s have a cap hit of $3.725 and $3.75, so lets just say $3.7 cap hit
Lets also say we resign Whitney to a $2.0 cap hit

With Whitney, Boychuk, Tlusty, Dwyer, Hall, Rodney, Carson, McBain, and Peters filling out the roster (that still leaves an open spot for a 7th defenseman). They would account for $10.95M, leaving very little of PK’s budget for additional free agents.

Now, there are ways to gets some more money like trading Samsonov and/or LaRose. We could also buyout Brind’Amour and save some cash. We would probably have to eat about $1M to $1.2M over the next two seasons for Brindy, but we would get about $2.4M in cap space back.

I’m not trying to be negative, just pointing out that unless something is done, we are not going to have much room to sign anybody. That’s why I feel that Cullen and Corvo will not be resigned and we will not be a player in the UFA market.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

So Rod again is the black hole this team needs to shed….

Ironic how that is so bad for some to contemplate, yet so friggin obvious a chicken could grasp it…

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m prepared to shave my palms..

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

City boy, I got chain saws!!!

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by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

+3

Happerry Chrisolkwanaka

by lcd2you on Dec 20, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

UNLESS like rumor has it they drop the cap next year by 8 or 9 million, then your budget goes to hell…

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If it goes that low, there will be few teams in the NHL who can make the cap….what then? (I wonder if there’s a floor on maximum % drop per year? CBA experts – please chime in)

Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?

by hockeymomof2 on Dec 20, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Bettman said at the NHL meeting that depending on the Canadian dollar, the cap will either increase by about $1M or go down by $0.5M.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it is easy to forget that if we indeed get a top 3 overall pick the rookie will cost about $3.5-4 million a year, 3 year rookie contract. However this should also indicate the importance this player will have, this could be a relatively low contract for a potential superstar player ready to contribute next year.

Hall or Seguin could easily turn out to be the top-6 forward we need. If they do anything I’d shore up the defense with a young potential top 4 defender like Cam Barker, Braydon Coburn, maybe even Marc Staal if NY got desperate enough.

by JussiJuice on Dec 21, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

If I had to rank those players, in which one I would want the most. I would put Coburn #1, Staal #2, Barker #3.
I think Barker would be the easiest to acquire followed be Coburn, then Staal.
I would actually really like Staal to pair up with Pits. I think that would be a real nice top pair and allow for Gleason to play with and mentor the kids.

by PackPride17 on Dec 21, 2009 1:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Budget for Next Season

   For the reasons you discuss, I think Brind’Amour will be bought out — for a cap savings of about $2.4 million. Also think LaRose will be traded for a savings of $1.9 million. I think there will be an effort to trade Samsonov. Buying out Brind’Amour and trading LaRose clears enough money to find a an impact power forward and a puck moving defenseman.

   If Cullen and Corvo are not re-signed, the Hurricanes will trade them for prospects or draft picks, although a Cullen for Cam Barker trade is a possibility.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

LaRose’s cap hit is only $1.7M, but anyway. Rod’s and LaRose’s savings would only be $4.1M. You might could get a impact power forward or puck moving defenseman, but not both. Unfortunately, $2M in the NHL now gets you an average player, like LaRose (just picking on him, I really love his heart. If he was only 6’2 and 210lbs – he would be a all-star).

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

or maybe a Ruutu (who’s not quite that big I guess)

Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?

by hockeymomof2 on Dec 20, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right. His salary next year is $1.9 million and a cap hit of $1.7. My mistake.

  The $4.1 million could go for a player of the caliber of Nathan Horton for a $4.0 million cap hit or a player like Shawn Matthias for $630,000 and then a more expensive puck moving defenseman; but you are correct that top tier power forwards are expensive and hard to find.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Horton for you must be like Coburn for me.
Horton would be a nice pick-up, but I don’t believe Florida would trade him to a Divisional rival.
The bottom line IMO is that we overpaid for “our two stars.” I am a huge Staal fan, but I believe his cap hit should have been in the $7M range. JR signed him before the market crashed, when the cap was jumping a couple of million each year. Hindsight is 20/20. I also believe Cam should have been more in line with Miller and Fleury, about $5M. Anyway, now we have two very expensive, but very good players. It is possible to do that, but then you become top line heavy (like Tampa and Washington). If this is the direction we are going, your 4th line and 3rd pairing defenseman can probably only make around $750K each.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Braydon Coburn -- sounds like a player the Hurricanes need

Maybe Larose for Coburn would work,

Braydon Coburn

Philadelphia Flyers #5 – Defenseman

Born: 1985/02/27 Age: 24

Height: 6-5 Weight: 220

Place of birth: Calgary, Alta., Canada

Seasons: 4

Drafted by: the Atlanta Thrashers in 2003 (1st round)\

Salary: $1.4 million and cap hit $1.3 million. RFA after this season.

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/players/55002/Braydon_Coburn

Scouting Report
Assets

    * Moves very well for a 6-5, 220-pound defender and owns both offensive and all-around potential. Is capable of logging big minutes and playing on either side of the ice.

Flaws

    * Doesn’t use his huge frame enough to his advantage, which limits his effectiveness. Is somewhat raw in the offensive zone. Needs to display more consistency in all facets of the game.

Career Potential

    * Big-minute defenseman.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t believe this is how Brind’Amour’s theoretical buyout would work. His contract extension was signed in July 2006. He was born in August 1970. So, he was 35 when he signed the extension.

I’m pretty sure this means his entire salary counts against the cap for the length of his contract, whether he’s bought out or even if he retires.

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think only if he retires, if we buy him out, it would be for 2/3 of his contract

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong, but that is my understanding as well as it relates to a buyout..

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it the same as the F Kaberle buyout?

Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?

by hockeymomof2 on Dec 20, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, ’fraid the entire contract counts toward the cap.

From this FAQ of the collective agreement (and other sources I can see) comes this sentence found in the Contract Buyouts section:

The remainder of this explanation applies to buyouts that took place after July 29, 2005, and assumes the player was not 35 or older when signing his SPC (in which case a buyout does not reduce the cap hit).

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, that’s the way it rolls out.

Elsker, that’s twice in one day, throw me a bone and say Award rocks or there is a plan B…This agreein’ crap is distasteful..

A

The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......

by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummmm….you’re right that agreeing is distasteful. LOL!

Sorry, but that’s the best I can do unless you give me something sane to work with.

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Close…

A

The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......

by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I see! You want me to make a statement that you can jump upon with both feet.

Okay, no problem…LOL…give me a minute and that’s bound to happen somewhere or another in this thread.

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect…

A

The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......

by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Good information! I guess this means that Samsonov and LaRose (maybe Cole) need to be shipped off. If you want me to, I can drop Samsonov off in West Virginia and let him fend for himself. My guess is we would never here from the little Russian again.

I’m joking of course.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

But, if PK is spending below the cap (and I think he will be), then having some phantom cap budget on top of the real cash budget is really not a problem.

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember how JR arranges his signings. Every players actual salary is going up next year except for Rod’s. So everyone’s cap hit is actually less than what their really making, except for Rod and Sutter (Sutter’s because of bonuses).

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s true, but somehow or another nhl numbers has next season’s under-contract salary budget (with bonuses) at about a million under the current cap hit for that season.

I don’t think the two budgets will be badly mis-matched. But, PK could understandably count the $2M out-of-pocket for a potential buyout against what he’s willing to spend on salaries for ‘10-’11.

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a very painful truth because it means that Brind’Amour will be on the team until the end of his contract.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

   Do you interpret that to mean that Brind’Amour can be bought out for 2/3rds of his salary over two years, but the cap hit is still $3,600,000?

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I do.

And, this is why maybe we really should wish the man well, and hope he could fulfill a role for the team, in that all that is really going to happen is clearing a roster spot for a $2M payout over 2 years on the side (with newfound Lavi money? LOL!)

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like another year of Brind’Amour as a wing on the fourth line with seven minutes of uninspired ice time. It would be hard for any fourth line player to go +/- -20 at seven minutes a game.

by abramsdoug on Dec 20, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

new found Lavi money, LOL, like a Christmas bonus!!

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Dec 20, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank God the insane and inane Elsker is back.

Rod is the shit heap of the NHL. Nothign will change that and the barnicle he is on the ass of this ship will be here foir awhile. He sucks, he is done. Any other notion is idiocy.

Balls in your court. I didn’r like agreein’ any more than you did and anybody that would support the worst player in the friggin’ league get’s my vote as out of touch.

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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......

by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Situation A: Buy out Brind’Amour next season for $2M cash over 2 years with a $3.6M cap hit.

Situation B: Play Brind’Amour next season for $3M cash over 1 year with a $3.6M cap hit.

So, only real benefit of pursuing Situation A is now having $1M extra to spend on a replacement fourth line player (at the expense of also having a $1M cash flow increase).

Therefore, the decision matrix says all other intangibles aside, is there a better fourth line player to be had for $1M or under?

Maybe. But, what cost are the intangibles, if so?

This, I believe, is how management looks at their options.

by Elsker on Dec 20, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the way you think. The only problem is; if you put Samson in his place on the 4th line, his cap hit is like $4.1M (because you’re including Rod’s).

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Cloning? I can think of much better way to get baby Tuomo’s.

Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?

by hockeymomof2 on Dec 20, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

duly noted.

Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?

by hockeymomof2 on Dec 20, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

nope – one line and I’m done. Kenrab gave me a softball that simply had to be addressed.

Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?

by hockeymomof2 on Dec 20, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I know several volunteers…

by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 21, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow.....

but what happens to the volunteers when Ruutu’s career starts winding down and people here liken him to an aged warhorse that should have been put to pasture a long time ago?

Happerry Chrisolkwanaka

by lcd2you on Dec 21, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure they won’t care.

by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 21, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Can’t get out of the driveway with anything but the tractororasaurus, so not me, and man I love me some cheap food at the rink!

Be a week or two before I get anywhere. I’ll let you know, need me some company. we shall see.

The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......

by Paladin6 on Dec 20, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Just noticed

I just noticed that Rodney is a RFA with arbitration rights after the season. Maybe JR is trying to keep his playing time down so if he elects to go to arbitration, his salary number will be lower than if he plays a lot in the “N” and puts up some points.

by PackPride17 on Dec 20, 2009 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

On a totally unrelated note – just heard that Taylor Hall hurt his knee in the first period last night in Sweden… they kept him out for the rest of the game for ‘precautionary’ reasons. Our future is already busy getting injured…
:-|

by Andrea's evil twin on Dec 21, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

He’s trying to fit in with his new squad already? What a nice guy.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Dec 21, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

He’s a keeper!!

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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......

by Paladin6 on Dec 21, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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