Mellon Arena is House of Horrors for Carolina
by Bob Wage on May 19, 2009 2:39 PM EDT
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Watching their favorite players being injured in Pittsburgh is nothing new for fans of the Carolina Hurricanes. While all teams suffer from the ordinary injuries and bruises that come from participating in a rough and tumble sport, the Canes have been the recipients of more than their fair share of devastating injuries while playing at "the Big Mellon".
In March of 2006, Brooks Orpik hit Erik Cole head first into the boards. Cole ended up with a broken neck, missed about three months of action, and arguably, will never be the same player. Orpik was suspended for three games.
In October of 2006, Trevor Letowski was knocked out cold when Colby Armstrong took advantage of him cutting across the blueline with his head down. Letowski was carried off the ice on a stretcher. He was never the same player either and is now playing in Europe.
In October of 2007, Jarkko Ruutu gave Scott Walker a crosscheck into the pipes while both players were positioning away from the puck. Walker ended up with strained rib cartilage and missed several weeks.
In January of 2009, Scott Walker was completely blind-sided by Matt Cooke. (yes, that Matt Cooke) Walker battled concussion-like symptoms for two months. Cooke received a two game suspension.
In May 2009, Tuomo Ruutu is injured as he becomes "entangled" with Mark Eaton. Erik Cole is helped off the ice as his knee came into contact with Matt Cooke's.
Amazingly, not a single Penguin player was injured by a Carolina player during this entire time frame. Not one. For all the accidental and well meaning hits, they all ended up one-sided as far as injuries go.
So, what's the explanation? Bad luck? Evil karma? Or has some witch doctor from Carnegie Mellon placed a spell on the Hurricanes, perhaps for signing away Ron Francis? Maybe they have a Stormy doll and they are pricking it with pins and needles?
If the "witch PHD" is upset about "Ronnie Franchise" getting away, wait until they find out who ex-Steelers coach Bill Cowher is cheering for back in Raleigh.
Hint- It ain't for the "thugs" from Iron City.
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Well….. I guess it’ll keep happening as long as they get away with it…..
The Ruutu injury looked like an accident….. But the Cooke hit on Cole needs to be reviewed by the league….. he meant to hurt him….
But you know…. they are the Penguins…. and As long as Cindy Crysby can get his beautiful face on some networks for as long as possible… then the NHL doesn’t care how many people his team mates ruin…..
I always hated teachers pets…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on May 19, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
Crosby got jobbed by the NHL because they promoted him way too much before he was worthy of it. I mean, he was always a phenom, but that’s an awful lot of pressure on an 18 year old. And he certainly whined a lot (he earned it for sure) in his first 2 years. But I would bet you that by the time he is 25 (amazing to think he’s only 21), he’ll be one of the most respected players by his peers. Whether fans completely change their tune or not, I don’t know. But you already are starting to see a change in the way other players see him, as well as some fans.
I certainly don’t think I could have ever handled myself so well when I was 21. I was a freakin idiot like everyone else…
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That Crosby is good
excellent, awesome, above average, etc, is not the question.
What is the question is how much does he get “help” from a league that wants its superstar to sell tickets.
One of the major reasons I stopped watching basketball.
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I honestly haven’t seen the ‘help’. His first game in Philly, he lost three teeth and was bleeding all over the place when Hatcher high sticked him. And while no penalty was called on Hatcher, Crosby was called for ‘Unsportsmanlike’ because he complained to the refs for them missing the call. Hence, the ‘Crysby’ started. Hardly fair, but…
Look at the Ovechkin call? That was clearly a severe kneeing that probably warranted a suspension, but they couldn’t do it. It would ruin the league promotion of Crosby-Ovechkin! Or Walker not being suspended (even though a Canes fan and rooting for them in that series, I cannot believe they didn’t suspend him. Actually, it’s in the rules that it is ‘automatic’). The upper echelon in my mind proved that they had become a joke with that whole situation. How can you possibly think the fix is in when they prove to be completely inept all of the time. And as a side point, how can you possibly think that the NHL wanted the Canes to remain in the playoffs and not the Bruins? Boston is a huge market. NHL definitely would have wanted them in it, and a Pens versus Bruins. Yet they make the opposite call? If the ‘fix’ is in, explain that situation!
Calls were missed on both sides last night. Equally. To whine about it is exactly what people yell at Crosby for. And yet he was not the recipient or involved in a single call in last evening.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were a penguins fan I would have been PISSED about the penguins call…. he should have been suspended…. but that is how the league operates…. Don’t expect any of their stars to get in any sort of trouble……
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on May 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So here’s the question: If you were Buttman, wouldn’t you market your best players? If you were the NFL, would you trash Brady? Or LeBron if you were the NBA? You use what you have. It’s plain and simple.
I seriously think that guy effed up a lot of hockey – how you cannot sign with ESPN and you go with VS. is beyond me…but he has to promote Ovechkin and Crosby. Do I think Ovechkin would have been suspended if he was anyone else? Yes. Do I think it affects calls during a game? No.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Marketting is one thing
but again the perception is that there is far more to it than “marketting”.
Game 5 vs the Wings forcing it into overtime for a Game 6 is an example.
I was hoping that was an aberrant act. It doesn’t seem like that to me anymore.
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Dude, happens every game, no matter who you are. The team that is losing always gets the calls. It’s one of those things in hockey that I don’t like.
Canes get legitimate power play at end of game. And then refs let 2 obvious penalties go by Staal go? So predictable. It’s not a ‘Penguins’ problem. It’s a ‘systematic’ problem.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I will never try to deny that Crosby is an amazing player…. possibly even the best…..
But all the skill in the world doesn’t give you any heart…..
he can be named one of the most beautiful people in the world by some magazine…. and that is all well and good…. But the League needs to treat him and his team mates the same way they treat every other player on every other team…. The same rules that go for the guys like Tim Conboy should apply to guys like Crosby….
That’s my gripe…
When the Penguins player was kneed by Ovenchicken…. there was all kinds of outrage and outcry from Penguins fans…. AND RIGHTFULLY SO….. if it would have been anyone other than AO who put the knee on your guy then he would have been suspended….
But the league wouldn’t dare suspend Ovenchicken…. lest players w/ true heart and determination get some face time on the networks….
I’ve said it before…. it’s all about the ratings…. and as long as the NHL can have Cindy Crysbys pretty little face on the TV as often as possible for as long as possible…. then they don’t care who gets hurt in the process….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on May 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say Crosby as much or more heart than any player I know. If you have watched him and hockey at all, you would know this. He was recently called the ‘most talently grinder’ of all time. What exactly are grinders, but guys with heart, grit, and determination? Where did Crosby score most of his goals this post season? Perimeter shots? Or in front of the net where the guys with ‘heart’ go?
How does the NHL treat him ‘better’? What called went for him? What call went for Crosby that didn’t go for Conboy? And if they want him on there so much, why not suspend Ovechkin?
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Good ol’ Ronnie. Love that guy.
Bill Cowher? So ‘old news’. Pittsburgh has moved on. Rumor has it there wasn’t a teary eye in the joint when Cowher left the Steelers. He was like that girlfriend that you just couldn’t reasonably dump (you didn’t have any good reason, but you just weren’t in love with her anymore), so you were so happy when she left you. And the next girlfriend turned out to be so much better… :-)
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
really great analogy!
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by pascaldupweevil on May 19, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t wait for the new place to open up. Still another year away.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Rod Brind’Amour blew out his knee last year against the Pens too, I think Georges Laraque hit him. Must have happened in Carolina, but it is odd how a lot of injuries pile up. Almost like hockey is a contact sport or something.
The contact sport is not in question
whether or not the Pens, or so the perception goes, get favoritism and have higher thresholds to get a call on them than the rest of the league seem to be at issue.
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whether or not the Pens, or so the perception goes, get favoritism and have higher thresholds to get a call on them than the rest of the league seem to be at issue.
What, do you mean like that time Eric Staal knocked Fleury’s stick away from him twice in the sequence that got Carolina a goal?
There’s really no favoritism (look at the season long numbers) the refs just blow it. Sometimes it just screws one team over more than the other but it always evens out in the end.
Again, after the refs had put away their whistles
the end of the game was nigh, and the Pens were up by 2?
After the Canes took twice as many penalties (4 to 2) than the Pens?
Like I said, you can have that one easily if:
1: It is two players from the Pens who are hurt by “accidents”
2: The Canes won game 1.
It is mighty powerful winning is when it comes to “forgiving things”.
Tell me as I forgot, when Gonchar was hurt, did OV get a penalty? Did the Pens win?
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Game score. Pens 2-0 vs Canes.
Kennedy moves in on breakaway, and is clearly hooked causing him to lose control of puck. Blatant call. Clear penalty shot. No call.
If fix was in, the refs call this no??
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh there's far more
first, I dispute your description of it. Hooking occurs on the hands, no hands it is almost never called.
Besides, the refs already had them up 2-0 as you describe.
Tell you what, I’ll go home, re-watch the game and give you a laundry list tomorrow. how does that sound.
How bout Gill on Whitney reaching around, hook ON the hands no call?
The few you’ll bring pale in comparison to the crap the Pens get to take.
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Right, the refs gave Satan that penalty so he would come out of the penalty box at the exact right time to accept that breakaway pass. And the refs scared the Canes so much that the Canes has a bad line change resulting in Malkin’s goal. Clearly the refs are at fault.
Pointless argument. You can argue all you want, and there will never be a resolution.
For every game, for every team, you can point to to an equal call on the opposing side. It’s just the way of the game. Plain and simple.
To suggest that there is a mandate from the NHL to save Crosby is immature.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
As can you
but I get the very strong feeling that you’ve seen this way too many times before from many fans of many teams.
Way more than other teams seem to get.
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we have heard it. and it always sounds this stupid.
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by pascaldupweevil on May 19, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
But it continues and it seems to be
pervasive no matter who the Pens play.
It is only “stupid” as you don’t like the implications.
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Did the league pay Eric Staal to whiff on the puck in front of an empty net with less than a minute to go, so that the legacy of Crosby could be upheld? Woulda tied the game… But you know, based on your absurd rantings about the league’s favoritism, that’s the only way it could have happened.
“But it continues and it seems to be pervasive no matter who the Pens play.”
It’s pervasive in your imagination no matter what logic is applied. You will point out that you are not the only one. It’s not stupid because of what I believe it implies. It’s stupid because it’s stupid. It’s absurd. You should drop it.
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by pascaldupweevil on May 19, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's stupid because you don't like the implications
you’re distancing yourself from the possibility because if it is true then the Pens while good, have their run indelibly tainted.
That I can understand.
And for what it’s worth, I hope I’m wrong as I love hockey way too much.
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That’s why these idiots will continue to insist that the fix is in! LOGICALLY, YOU CANNOT PROVE A NEGATIVE, YOU CANNOT PROVE SOMETHING THAT ISN"T! SO DON"T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH IT. Being unable to logically prove a negative renders their assertions mere speculative frivolity that is disheartening as a fan of hockey and utterly ridiculous as a human with two brain spheres. I guess as a fan they only use their right sphere, haha, logic resides on the left. Are the cardiac cannes headed for an infark, or has paralysis from their stroke at mellon already incapacitated them?
This is so retarded! The league has in interest in promoting the Pens, what B.S. Pittsburgh is small market team, they consistently sell out games and continue to be among the fastest growing Brand names in all of sports. They do not need any help. They don’t need to win the cup for the sake of marketing and profits. Even when Crosby is injured they continue to sell out. If the fix was in, the large maket teams that aren’t doing well financially would be the benefactors, or even some of the Canadian teams who havn’t won anything for quite awhile. Other fans complain about the pens in playoffs for a few consistent reasons: 1. They’ve been winning quite a bit (other teams do not like to lose) 2. The pens are fairly disciplined when it comes to taking penalties. Some of the ticky-tack stuff can go both ways, but in the high value areas of the ice and high value times in a game they remain very diciplined.. in the playoffs those are the situations where penalties truly get called, consistently. I respect the cannes organization and most of the fans seem pretty cool compared to Flyer fans and Caps fans…but geez, some of you constantly complain about officials. last series the fix was in for Boston, before that the Devils. Get over yourselves. You need some puck luck to win and that includes officiating, health of players and injuries, and some fortunate bounces of the puck. From what I’ve seen, the cannes have had just a little bit more luck than either the Devils or Bruins (not to take anything away from you guys, the cannes have been great, and played some memorable games, but come on) The pens cannes series will be fast-paced exciting hockey, just enjoy it!
ONE LAST COMMENT, PENS CANNES LAST MEETING OF REGULAR SEASON WENT INTO OVERTIME, A GAME WHERE THE WINNER (EITHER TEAM) WOULD CLINCH A PLAYOFF BIRTH. OVERTIME COMES AND PENS ARE CALLED FOR A PENALTY AND THE CANNES SCORED ON THE PP (A ANTON BABCHUK ROCKET) IF THE FIX WAS IN WOULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED? AND ALSO, AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED. ERIC STAAL SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED FOR INTERFERENCE FOR PUSHING FLEURY’S STICK FURTHER BEYOND HIS REACH (TWICE) AND HE WASN’T. ALSO, KENNEDY WAS SLASHED/HOOKED ON HIS BREAKAWAY JUST LIKE WHITNEY WAS SLASHED BY GILL EITHER WAY, KENNEDY WAS ON A BREAKAWAY AND WHITNEY WAS NEAR THE BOARDS LOOKING TO MAKE A PASS, ONE CARRIES MORE WEIGHT; JUST LIKE OV’S HIT ON GONCH WAS MUCH MORE SEVERE AND RECKLESS THAN COOK’S HIT ON COLE1
Blame the refs all you want. I for one haven’t read a single article where the Canes are blaming the refs for a loss.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And they won't
never do, never will
Unlike Crosby, they don’t cry to the refs.
I’ll be more than happy to call it out for them.
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Hmmm. No video from last night of Crosby crying to the refs. But you are crying about the refs. Interesting.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Crying?
no
livid at the lack of calls on the golden one and his team?
YES!
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and fyi the pens are were one of the most penalized teams up to this point in the playoffs. your arguement is shenanigans
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it kind of does help his case for this series…..but it has just been one game. well see how it shakes out over the course of a couple more games.
That's true
hopefully, with sports writers making observations on the things in the game and how they went down, see Michael Farber’s article, the calls won’t be as bad.
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one of the most penalized?
um…if you look at PIM per game, Pens have the least, with Detroit right there with them.
by keeperdude2209 on May 20, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
then they havent had a single penalty called against them since the philly series when they were ithe most penalized
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 20, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
here you go
If you were to work out the math, the Pens and the Red Wings have the least PIM/game of all playoff teams.
by keeperdude2209 on May 20, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't the Pens
rack up a lot of those penalties playing their cross state friends the Flyers?
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yes
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 21, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm done
It’s like reasoning with a 4 yr old. Just won’t happen. Carry on with your whining.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
funny
I was thinking the same about you
As for whining, if you mean pointing out double standards and hypocrisy, I’m your Huckleberry.
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-1 for failed tombstone referance
and you are whining. again, both sides got jobed its not the refs fault the canes could muster any offense untill late in the third period
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That's nice
while both sides may have gotten “jobbed” as you stated, one side was jobbed out of a goal and perhaps the game.
As for Tombstone, gotta love Val Kilmer’s Doc Holiday. Especially with the tin cups.
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must i post the nhl rule book referance……
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
OBTW
The Cane’s mustered most of their offense in the 2nd period.
Scoring 2 goals, oops, 1 goal that was allowed.
Until Ruutu and Cole went down and so they started off slow in the 3rd.
But the 1st round wasn’t too bad for them either.
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Rule 56 – Interference
Body Position: Body position shall be determined as the player skating in front of or beside his opponent, traveling in the same direction. A player who is behind an opponent, who does not have the puck, may not use his stick, body or free hand in order to restrain his opponent, but must skate in order to gain or reestablish his proper position in order to make a check.
A player is allowed the ice he is standing on (body position) and is not required to move in order to let an opponent proceed. A player may "block" the path of an opponent provided he is in front of his opponent and moving in the same direction. Moving laterally and without establishing body position, then making contact with the non-puck carrier is not permitted and will be penalized as interference. A player is always entitled to use his body position to lengthen an opponent’s path to the puck, provided his stick is not utilized (to make himself "bigger" and therefore considerably lengthening the distance his opponent must travel to get where he is going); his free hand is not used and he does not take advantage of his body position to deliver an otherwise illegal check.
Restrain: The actions of a player or goalkeeper who does not have body position, but instead uses illegal means (e.g. hook with stick; hold with hands, trip with the stick or in any manner) to impede an opponent who is not in possession of the puck. Illegal means are acts which allow a player or goalkeeper to establish, maintain or restore body position other than by skating.
Pick: A "pick" is the action of a player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent who is not in possession of the puck and is unaware of the impending check/hit. A player who is aware of an impending hit, not deemed to be a legal "battle for the puck," may not be interfered with by a player or goalkeeper delivering a "pick." A player or goalkeeper delivering a "pick" is one who moves into an opponent’s path without initially having body position, thereby taking him out of the play. When this is done, an interference penalty shall be assessed.
Free Hand: When a free hand is used to hold, pull, tug, grab or physically restrain an opponent from moving freely, this must be penalized as holding. The free hand may be used by a player to "fend off" an opponent or his stick, but may not be used to hold an opponent’s stick or body.
Stick: A player or goalkeeper who does not have body position on his opponent, who uses his stick (either the blade or the shaft, including the butt-end of the shaft) to impede or prevent his opponent from moving freely on the ice shall be assessed a hooking penalty.
56.2 Minor Penalty – A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who interferes with or impedes the progress of an opponent who is not in possession of the puck.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who restrains an opponent who is attempting to "fore-check."
A minor penalty shall be imposed on an attacking player who deliberately checks a defensive player, including the goalkeeper, who is not in possession of the puck.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who shall cause an opponent who is not in possession of the puck to be forced off-side, causing a stoppage in play. If this action causes a delayed off-side (and not necessarily a stoppage in play), then the application of a penalty for interference is subject to the judgment of the Referee.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who deliberately knocks a stick out of an opponent’s hand, or who prevents a player who has dropped his stick or any other piece of equipment from regaining possession of it.
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yup and here:
56.2 Minor Penalty – A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who interferes with or impedes the progress of an opponent who is not in possession of the puck.
Is where Gil could have been called on it as well.
Got to get my rulebook out and look up “Dive”. Most likely will have Gill’s picture on it.
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A player is allowed the ice he is standing on (body position) and is not required to move in order to let an opponent proceed. A player may “block” the path of an opponent provided he is in front of his opponent and moving in the same direction. Moving laterally and without establishing body position, then making contact with the non-puck carrier is not permitted and will be penalized as interference.
you done yet? thats in the body position para
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
So Gill was just standing there
dove and got the call.
Yeah, that means that any contact, no matter how trivial can be interference.
Good thing Gill sold it so well.
Again, you see it that way and nothing I tell you will make it different for you.
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A minor penalty shall be imposed on an attacking player who deliberately checks a defensive player, including the goalkeeper, who is not in possession of the puck.
A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who deliberately knocks a stick out of an opponent’s hand, or who prevents a player who has dropped his stick or any other piece of equipment from regaining possession of it.
theres your first dissallowed goal and the goal that should have been disallowed at the end of the game. again i call shenanigans on your arguement
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, again
E Staal’s interference came with the game almost out of time and the Pens up 3-1.
The other part is handled in 56.2
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which directly resulted in a goal. a penalty should be imposed when it creates a scoring chance as staals stick incident did
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Again,
The non-call on Staal, yup, it happened. The non-call for interference and Diving on Gill, yup, it happened.
The difference is a 2-2 game in the 2nd period vs a 3-1 game, then 3-2 with less than, what 2 minutes to go?
Tell you what, take the goal from Staal but give it back to Rosie and then start play from there with the game 2-2, 2nd period.
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Uh the difference being that Staal actually commited two penalties and got away with it, knocking the stick out of his hand THEN pushing it away, the interference call ACTUALLY happened and was valid.
Like I said
Staal’s play was interference
Between Cole and Gill, there was interference, it was called on the wrong guy and a point in the 2nd period when the ’Canes were coming back and tied it was a real mood killer.
Gill dove as well. Two penalties there.
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read the rule
dude it says very clearly that every player is intitled to “his ice” when cole moved gill into flower that is interferance
A player is allowed the ice he is standing on (body position) and is not required to move in order to let an opponent proceed. A player may “block” the path of an opponent provided he is in front of his opponent and moving in the same direction. Moving laterally and without establishing body position, then making contact with the non-puck carrier is not permitted and will be penalized as interference
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The rule is not in question
What is in question is who was doing what.
Gill was bumped. He then threw himself at Fleury. If bumping is “interference” then there is no touching allowed in hockey.
I say it was Gill who interfered with Cole
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bumped? are you serious? he got flat out bulldosed. but whatever makes you feel better i guess. let us all hope that there is some decent officiating next game so i dont have to hear the complaining and insane inuendoe like the league is trying to hand crosby a cup….
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
As you said,
I think it was you at least, I see it one way and you see it another.
I feel my interpretation of what transpired on the ice is correct.
You undoubtedly feel the same about your POV.
Peace?
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while the rest of the game
the Pens got the most no calls, again.
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i also dispute
because it wasnt a hook, it was a good ol two handed chop to his hand. icd, seriously both sides got jobbed. the canes couldn’t muster any significant offense untill late in the third when the game was virtually decided, then the ref decide to pull the whistle out of thier pocket and give the canes a pp. they promptly put the whistle back in thier pocket as eric staal chops flowers stick from his hand.
and to quesiton sid’s heart, are you serious? you dont play at his level in the nhl at 5’10 190. nor do you take your happy butt to the goal mouth and take a pounding game in and game out.
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care about Sid's heart
that’s someone else.
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Become Evil!
i know, i was just throing that out there also
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
that's nice
don’t know why but I’m sure there’s a punchline there somewhere.
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by pascaldupweevil on May 19, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
I find answering reguraposts like what I’ve seen here from some Pens fans and you know keeping the facts on top is a good thing.
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by pascaldupweevil on May 19, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That is why bringing things into the light
is a good thing.
There’s a saying but I won’t quote it about that very subject.
I feel there’s something to it. But I already stated my opinion on that to you above.
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Ohhh a secret siren blower?
I wanna know where the Chin’s Canes jersey is?
Tomlin wears His when he is at the games with His kids behind the GLASS.
Tomlin is the best. I was shaking my head when I saw they hired him. But wtf was I thinking? There’s a reason that I have been around for almost 4 decades and Steelers have only had 3 coaches in that time. It’s almost silly…
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Coach Cower sits two rows behind me in section 110
and he wears a sweater
by DidJussiThat? on May 19, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Are they as ugly as they used to be??
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
sweater, as in Canes sweater
Hockey players wear sweaters, not jerseys.
Noob.
by DidJussiThat? on May 20, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Lmao – if you knew anything about Cowher you’d know that he is notorious in Pittsburgh was wearing the ugliest sweaters, and not the ‘jersey’ kind. They were hideous.
Thanks for the name calling though. Proud of you.
by The Merovingian on May 20, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
dont really care who cowher cheers for we have a better coach now, cowher choked in big games, hhhm? mainly afc championships, hopefully this reflects on the canes
by crosbykillsflyers on May 19, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
lol – that was awful. I’m not throwing him under the bus. I just don’t think people in Pittsburgh care who he roots for anymore. I think everyone got tired of him, fans and players alike. Just stating a fact. I personally like the dude. But I just don’t think anyone cared that he left…
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
My comment was mostly in reference to the “choked in big games” comment.
Also, clearly it doesn’t reflect on the Canes, they have won a lot of big games this post season already. Not a single Game 1 though. They love to make it interesting.
Oh, true about that choking thing. I mean, his record in AFC Champ games was absolutely atrocious. No big time, hall of fame coach should be 2-5 or 2-6, whichever one it was…
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Looked it up 2-5 in AFC Champ. 1-1 in SB. 3-6 in the big games isn’t really going to get it done if you are a ‘great’ coach.
I always argue that at least he got them there year after year, but it’s tough to argue that record in the big games. :-(
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No objective fan is going to say that Cooke is not dirty…Eaton, not so much.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the AP photo above showing Gill “defending” Ray Whitney. These AP photos are like a Canes fan took them. :-)
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y all the crying from canes fans, ur more like philly and washington then i thought…every series is oh wer getting screwed out of this one because the league wants crosby in the cup…gimme a break man, like ive said to them how can u guys watch or be fans if u think ur boss is against u
by crosbykillsflyers on May 19, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
They had Cowher on WDVE local radio station in pittsburgh, he is a sell out, he grew up in Western PA and he is abandoning his home town, good riddance, we got a coach now that didn’t take 40 years to win a super bowl it took 2. So you can have him…
As for house of horrors, you better believe it’s a house of horrors, and you made a mistake by trying to cage the beast because now Crosby has to make up for lost time and explode with a good performance thursday.
(not even going to acknowledge the meaning of this post about us being dirty players)
u girls know what im saying your just going to be retards, its ok because the league is against u and no matter what we cant lose LOL
by crosbykillsflyers on May 19, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
Has any body seen Eric Staal ????(and why he didn’t play last night). I’m thinkin him and Crosby left before the first period maybe a date or something.
If that's the case
won’t Malkin be jealous?
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Become Evil!
Yea but he had a goal last night. We may shut Crosby down but you have to watch Malkin who I think may be a better player.
Crosby would have had 3 or 4 assists if Wardo didn’t keep on jobbing Guerin and others with huge saves…
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
REFS CALLS?
Why is everyone hung up on the calls, Pens didn’t even score on PP until the delay of game penalty. They let alot of calls go both ways. Need to focus more on offense or the lack of by the canes. We’re not going to shut down the Pens scoring like we did in the first two rounds. If that game was us stepping up were in trouble. Need to score at least 3 or 4 goals a game to win this round.
just the one that took away a goal
that one got under my skin.
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Here's another one for oldtimehockey
“So say we all”
Knowledge is Power!
Power Corrupts!
Study hard,
Become Evil!
That's my job
what can I say
I’m such a fan
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niether team should get too hyped or down about this game. the pens didnt execute well at all and the canes seemed flat after fluery made some huge saves early
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Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ward was 2-0 with a GAA under 2.00 against the Pens this season. Don’t get too high on yourself buddy.
Still not a crook!
niether team should get too hyped or down about this game.
what is it with people only reading set portions of a post?
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Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn’t so much the refs calls… as much as the non calls…. two knee-to-knee hits that take out two important players….. that pretty much sucks…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on May 19, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t be a troll and have some class. Make us other fans look bad.
by The Merovingian on May 19, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I was impressed he knew Erik Cole had a k (and that Eric Staal was with a C). I’ve seen that detail missed in a lot of national press. Other than that , this guy’s in the same category as 99% of the Bruin fans. Boy-oh-boy, it’s nice to be done with those folks.
by hockeymomof2 on May 19, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone’s really worked up, eh?
Refs blew it last night, but not b/c of the calls made or not made, but rather calling a couple soft ones early (setting the plot for a tightly called game) then abandoning it. It ruined the flow. Regardless, Pens were the better team and won. It’s one game, and I fully expect us to be in a pretty long series.
It didn’t help being down two top forwards. But they had the better goalie (on this night) and held the play a little more. I figured Carolina would need to adjust after playing two defense-first teams. I expect Mo to send the forwards in on the D more Thursday … chip and bang them, especially Gonchar. He’s having a hard time turning and retrieving, and I think they need to tire him out and bang him and get him off his game. Same for Letang … find out how much hitting he can take.
by Cory Lavalette on May 19, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
MAF
has a habit of playing of only doing whats needed to win. if a shut out is needed then thats what he is going to shoot for. i think he just wants to match ward because of all the pub ward has gotten and the fact that maf beat ward out for a position on the canadian national team some years ago.
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s deserved recognition. It’s not like Ward has had praise heaped on him all year. I don’t remember the exact number, but THN ranked Ward like 21st in “The Goalie Issue,” which was just silly …. Florida and Boston had two goalies each ahead of him.
MAF is extremely talented, but he needs to find a level of composure like Ward has. I think MAF has more natural talent, but Ward has that ice water you want running thru a goalie’s veins. I look at good goalies like Hiller … very talented, but he’ll get beat on a goal and he’ll throw his head back in disgust. Cam let’s a goal goal before the puck is dropped again.
by Cory Lavalette on May 19, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
thats one issue that maf has worked very hard on. see the philly series where he got lit up for 6 goals. next game he comes out and is just insane stopping 40 of 42 if i remember right. virtually the same thing happened in the caps series, he would have a bad game and rebound with a solid performance. but i dont know how long both goalies can play like they did the other night. tend to tire you out a bit when one side has that much pressure on all the time
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Y’all heard the story of how Wallin “blessed” Gleason’s hockey stick before the NJ series?I’m think in order to end this curse, the players need to “bless” the building in the same way. Just saying………………
Go Canes!
its has already been blessed, twice. 1990-91 and 1991-92
:D
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The final blessing will be when they tear it down.
by Cory Lavalette on May 19, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as there are three banners to hang up in the rafters of the new building, i could care less. i went to a few games there as a child. the sound sucks, back then there were a lot of areas with bad views, but it had and still has its own charachter
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 19, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
if there were blogs...
…in the 80’s and early 90’s to post our safely anonymous opinions, all of the things said about Crosby/Bettman/Officiating would have been said about Gretzky, Bossy and Lemieux.
And if you believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories, fine, but could you spare me the lame nicknames?
For the love of god, would the Blackhawks please step it up?
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