Hey Nascar Country!
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 8:57 AM EDT
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What you guys do not like being refered to as Nascar country? I remember a few Caniacs jumping all over Pittsburgh fans for calling Canes fans "Nascar fans". But it now appears that the perception is not exclusive to Steel town devotees.
"It was, you can hit, but you're not allowed to ... like we say in NASCAR country, there's no rubbing allowed," Maurice said.
The full article can be found here.
Tough to shed a stigma when your own folks are presenting that image to the northern media. I guess you guys need to write a "This is how you get back at a Canadian" post.
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Point is your coach is putting this image out there for people to hear. So it isn’t just Pittsburgh fans being “derogatory”.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
Maybe carolinaeasy should go read the discussion re: Mo and his wit on the noon chat article.
by hockeymomof2 on May 21, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand this may have been a “tounge in cheek” comment. But can you blame Pittsburgh fans for having that “Nascar” notion when your own coach is putting it out there for the media to spread? The article says nothing of Mo’s wit.
And as a resident of South Carolina I can honestly say that YES! This is Nascar country.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
As a resident of South Carolina
Who’s lived longer in North Carolina, I can honestly say that the two states are completely different. And the triangle area is completely different from the rest of NC and is definitely not NASCAR country. It is college basketball country with the Canes a close second.
It’s a geographical issue. Charlotte is 2.5-3 hours from here. It’s kinda like saying Pittsburgh is known for its Buffalo wings. Or it’s close by Charleston or Columbus. Coach Maurice is know for being tongue in cheek, surely that’s what he was being.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Well the image it projects is that the majority of folks in the Raleigh area are Nascar fans. Sorry but that is the truth, and your own coach is the cause of it.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
While I am at it, I can tell you that I know it is a stereotype. Just like the stereotype that Pittsburgh is nothing but a bunch of blue collar steel workers. It is not the truth, but that is the image that the city, and its celebrities put forth to the nation so that is what people believe.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the enlightening post
Could you add something of value if you are going to attempt to high jack my post?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I also find it ironic...
That the same person who wrote the brilliant, thought provoking fan post"This is how you get back at a Pens fan", would come on this post and and proclaim believing quotes by a NHL head coach that are printed in a respected newspaper makes you dumb.
But I digress…
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
You should probably regress...
Because I was referrring to people who believe Raleigh is nothing but NASCAR hicks and Pittsburgh are nothing but poor steel workers. Those people who believe that…are dumb. I’m not trying to argue anything with you, but you keep trying to instigate.
Dunno how you can stay Maurice started it when this has been going on for years. Pens fans didn’t unearth something new with the NASCAR stuff. It’s more old and tired than anything.
I’d venture to say there are as many people living in Raleigh who aren’t from the South as ones who are … so not everyone was bottle-fed NASCAR (myself included). To even further confuse things, NASCAR is becoming more and more not Southern, as in the behind the scenes people like crew members and even a lot of drivers.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say he started it
But he is spreading it, and when a member of your team, and more importantly a coach makes these statements it causes folks to attach value to the statements being made.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Well the image it projects is that the majority of folks in the Raleigh area are Nascar fans. Sorry but that is the truth, and your own coach is the cause of it.
You said he caused it, no? And again, this isn’t the first NASCAR mention. It restarts with every series. He was being dry, which is his M.O. Figured the hockey-crazy, knowledgeable people of Pittsburgh would know that .. just like I knew Therrien has a rep for being a creep.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I could get into an arguement about the definition of IT. The context of my quoted statement says the image that the quote projects is that the majority of the folks in Raleigh are NASCAR fans and that your coach is the cause of the projection of that image.
You can take what you want, but in this series YOUR coach is projecting that image in the Pittsburgh press. What more is there to discuss? I didn’t say he started this 4 years ago, just that he is the first in the press to mention it to my knowledge. Find another article and prove me wrong. I will be glad to eat crow. But as of right now your coach is promoting this image.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to think that someone in Pittsburgh got the joke.
by Iggy Reilly on May 21, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Mitch Albom was making Mayberry, moonshine and NASCAR jokes in 2002.
The Canes’ site is even referencing it.
On a side note, I always find it funny when the national media considers Raleigh "NASCAR Country". I am a native of the Carolinas, and I did not have the racing knowledge that many of the Canes players in our locker room possessed…guys who are all from very diverse backgrounds and nationalities.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
What the hell does this even mean?
the image that the quote projects is that the majority of the folks in Raleigh are NASCAR fans and that your coach is the cause of the projection of that image.
Get a dictionary and a thesaurus and then learn what those big words mean before you use them.
by DidJussiThat? on May 22, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and the image you project is that the majority of Pittsburgh fans are buffoons with a lack of understanding of either hockey or irony.
Where do we go from here?
by DidJussiThat? on May 22, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, sounds like you are a bit touchy about living in the south. I see it all the time. Yankees (and I am one) come down here to live, and have this love-hate relationship to the area. They LOVE the cost of living, low taxes, great weather, beautiful beaches; but HATE the poor school systems, lack of education, double-wides and single-wides, pickup trucks with gun rack and good ole boys. Their hate is really prejudice disguised.
Moreover, can you blame folks around the country for thinking Pittsburgh is just dirty rivers, and blight, with the only redeeming quality being Carnegie Mellon University?
Go Canes!
I have never understood why some outsiders try to make such a big deal about NASCAR in Carolina. There are NASCAR races run all over the country, including several places up North. I have friends in NY who are bigger NASCAR fans than anyone I know here in Carolina.
What’s the point?
GM of CanesCountry.com
It’s not so much that the NASCAR thing bothers me, its the idea propagated that Carolinians will never be knowledgable about hockey.
Ask most Carolinians about hockey
“Oh it is soccer on ice, I don’t watch that crap”
Or “we don’t do Ice down here”
I live here I hear it all the time.
There are fans who are wonderfully educated hockey fans, who are die hards. It has lit a fire under a fanbase, but the sad reality is it is still a Niche sport in the Carolinas
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
A niche sport that is more healthy here than it is in more “traditional” hockey markets.
The average yob doesn’t know anything about anything. Ask the average carolinian about NASCAR and they won’t know shit.
by Iggy Reilly on May 21, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Hockey is a niche sport everywhere except Canada and a few select U.S. cities. It was going nowhere in Pittsburgh in recent years until they landed Sid. That’s like saying Pitt basketball stinks b/c they’re not in the ACC.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It was going nowhere due to poor management decisions in the mid 90s that left the team crippled
and turned them into the NHLs version of the Pirates. People wouldn’t pay the prices they wanted to watch a glorified AHL squad. When the Mario group refocused the financial goals of the organization from win now, to sustainability, and the Pens won the Crosby sweepstakes to compound the good fortunes that were being sowed.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the third largest US market in terms of TV viewership, and a club with over 100 straight sell outs is a niche sport.
But since you live(d), or have relatives in the Pittsburgh area you must have insight that I don’t having the same connections.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Third largest? IIRC, Pittsburgh is about the same as Raleigh … in the 20s.
Sellouts happen with wins and superstar players. Ask Tampa Bay.
Do you live in Raleigh? Have you been to the RBC?
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh
in terms of market is larger than Raleigh…also chew on this
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
chewed on that some time ago … Canes were among them, too:
The five fastest-growing brands in the NHL, according to Forbes, are the Penguins, the Edmonton Oilers, the Montreal Canadiens, the Carolina Hurricanes and the Buffalo Sabres.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
thats why i call shenanigans on anyone who says the canes are failing because they are in the south. they arent failing. teams in the eastern conf final are suceeded and exceding expectations. bottom line is if you get someone who has never watched the game before and force them into a seat at the igloo or rbc they will walk away at the end of the game happy and come back for more
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 22, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way...
The fact that you exclude Candian cities from your argument doesn’t really make your supposed viewership fact that impressive.
Well we are discussing the NICHE comment here buddy
Hockey is a niche sport everywhere except Canada and a few select U.S. cities. It was going nowhere in Pittsburgh in recent years until they landed Sid.
Does this clear up why I omitted Canadian markets?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha...
Really? It was sustainability that got them Crosby and the wins they have now? No, it was sucking for a good 5 years in a row so they could get crazy high draft picks. Which is why they have Crosby, Malkin, Staal, MAF. If anything the Penguins proved that the way to become a successful franchise is to suck consistently for half a decade. Who needs a good GM when you can pick 1st or 2nd overall all the time.
The reason they sucked
was that they owed so much back pay to all of the stars of the 90s. How do you think Mario bought the team? It was the only way he could ever get any value out of his contract because he was owed so much money. With a lack of money and no salary cap in the NHL the Pens couldn’t keep top talent and were running on a very tight budget. (see Jagr, Martin Straka, and Alexi Kovalev)
They shifted their financial priorities when Mario became owner and yes they sucked for awhile, but they also paid back all of their debtors during that period and became financially able to resign the current crop of big stars, unlike the Pens teams of the recent past.
The sport is not a NICHE sport in Pittsburgh, I would love for you to find the stats that back that claim up, but Pittsburgh is the 3rd biggest TV market for hockey in the US. That doesn’t sound so niche to me. Since the resurgence of the club in the past 3 years the team is embraced by ‘Burghers more than the Buccos. But hey it is fun to make unsupported claims isn’t it?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said Pittsburgh was a niche market.
So go have that argument with whoever it was that said that. As for Pittsburgh being this amazing beacon of financial hockey success…I seem to remember Crosby’s first year in the league the Penguins bought and overpaid for a lot of aging mediocre free agents and they sucked pretty bad that year too. They aren’t this amazing franchise with an amazing GM like the Patriots or something…they just sucked for so bad for so long that they got all of this great young talent handed to them. That is THE primary reason the Penguins have been any good the last 2 years. In fact, the only reason why they’re not continuing to overpay for overrated players is that they have to tie up too much money in their young stars that they recently drafted. You do realize that the Penguins are like the Tampa Bay Rays of the NHL right?
They also only signed all of those FA to one year deals
if they aren’t doing well and become sustainable how are they building a new building? How are they profitable again, while not selling out the future? The new ownership has created a success both on and off the ice, and as I said before:
When the Mario group refocused the financial goals of the organization from win now, to sustainability, and the Pens won the Crosby sweepstakes to compound the good fortunes that were being sowed
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
b/c they were going to move if they didn’t
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Mario wasn't going to move, he admitted that in the media this year
It was a tactic to help get more public financing.
Why are you guys so up in arms over this? It isn’t like I knocked your ownership, or business model, or even questioned your success? Why do you have to hate on the Pens?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
and that’s why they got a new building. You asked why … b/c Mario threatened to move.
You seem to change the subject whenever I point out you’re wrong or misinformed.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No I don't I answer the points you present.
Sorry I am burning your ass and you can’t handle it on your own site.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
doesn’t burn my ass … just pointing out you’re wrong and educating you. Consider it a free lesson.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
thats awfully nice of you buddy…
Where does your expertise on Pittsburgh come from?
Please explain? You make tons of claims but offer no proof or cite any examples, a lack of sources really shoots your claims down.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, I give examples and you ignore them. Denver had hundreds of sellouts in a row when they were winning … now they don’t as a losing team. But you ignore the facts, so….
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Denver is still a profitable hockey market, and sell outs aren’t the only indicator of success, as you seem to focus only on this point I thought I would point that out.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Also I hardly think three straight years of success is like the Rays
You don’t have thirty years of history, and several legends of the game, and two cups and be the Rays. Sorry but that analogy doesn’t fit.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about the Lightning. We’re talking about hockey. Another example: Denver.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize that the Penguins are like the Tampa Bay Rays of the NHL right?
Well can you see where the misunderstanding originated at?
The lightning analogy doesn’t fit either. Sorry, see history, HOFs, Legends, and cups.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
see above … Denver. Not selling out anymore.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So how do you refute the fact that Pittsburgh for the past 20 years has developed into a region with a booming youth hockey scene, and a loyal tv viewer ship?
That is the original point of emphasis in this discussion before you attacked other points and redirected it. Pittsburgh has been a hockey town for years.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a football town. It didn’t get City of Championships b/c of two Stanley Cups. Montreal, Toronto … they sell out no matter what. They’re hockey towns. The Pens were in deep trouble, to the point of possibly losing their team.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It is also a Hockey Town
If you lived there, or had relatives there or even spent some time there you would know this.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
then why were they thisclose to losing their team … twice.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh America’s other Hockeytown
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You said yourself you’re in South Carolina. Don’t extrapolate whatever godforsaken backwater you’re in with the experience here in the Triangle.
I didn't realize Hilton Head was a backwater
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 22, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t understand this argument or the fact that it offends Canes fans. Perhaps its because a lot of Canes fans are from the North as well, so you have the same prejudices against NASCAR as those who attack us?
I watch NASCAR. I even went to the All-Star race in Charlotte last weekend. I like Hockey too. I guess I missed the memo that says I can’t like both sports?
Still not a crook!
Perhaps its because a lot of Canes fans are from the North as well, so you have the same prejudices against NASCAR as those who attack us?
I would have to admit to being guilty of this, yes. I am from the midwest, though I suppose it’s worthwhile to note that I knew more NASCAR fans there than I do here.
Ask half of america to find Raleigh on a map and see what you get...
ask half of America to name one fact about Raleigh and see what you get.
Ask America about Pittsburgh, and you will get TONS of info…The City of Champions might be among them.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t think of one fact about Pittsburgh. Steel workers come to mind, and you said that’s a poor perception of the city.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol I guess you are an uneducated southerner then.
But Steel workers were a big part of the history of the city..So you know something about the history of the town…What can most people name about Raleigh’s grand and glorious past?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I threw the LOL in to show it was
“tongue in cheek”. You are familiar with that parlance of the term?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I got lunch see ya'll in a bit
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask most people in the United States about Raleigh and they will say:
“I have a family member that just moved there from some god forsaken blighted Northeastern post-industrial hellhole. They say it’s nice. Wish I could get a job there.”
by DidJussiThat? on May 22, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask America about Pittsburgh, and you will get TONS of info…
Yeah. The place where the river caught on fire.
America’s unemployment capital.
Where West Virginians go on their honeymoons.
Hmmm…. what else?
by DidJussiThat? on May 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
All hockey fans should rail against the big NASCAR machine. In fact, beside’s NFL, they are the only other sport that can demand their own terms in TV deals. Why would that be? Surely, it’s not just because NASCAR is exclusively a southern thing. I daresay it is because it is viewed all over the country, even in little ’ole Pittsburgh.
Go Canes!
Still doesn’t negate the fact that both Philly and Pittsburgh are blight filled, cesspool cities.
Go Canes!
More tongue in cheek?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and if you believe that I gotta bridge in brooklyn to sell you
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy CarolinaEasy
Hey, big boy (assumption on my part). I am really glad Pittsburgh still has their team. Mario sacrificed a lot to make that team into what it is today. He deserves all the kudo’s in the world for doing what he did to make sure the Penguins stayed in Pittsburgh. Rather disheartening now to see how much the NHL is backing and supporting the Coyotes, when they really only did the minimum in assisting Mario. But, Bettman sucks, and we’ll leave that for another day. So, everythings great, you have Sid the wonderful (who I actually root for, unless he’s playing against us) and life is great for Pens fans now. So, go away, and STFU.
Go Canes!
CLASSY!
So, go away, and STFU
They taught you such eloquent terms in the Ivy League?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No, downtown Chicago gave me the language capacity to score 720 on my SATs. The IvyLeague education now allows me to sit by the pool, eating bon-bon and retire at the age of 47. Still, STFU.
Go Canes!
Great class
enjoy retirement. I will get there at 55 myself.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Carolinaeasy
what is your point? Are you here to talk about hockey, or which city is best?
FYI, read Forbes sometime and find out where the top places are to start a business in the USA. Read any other publications, and see where they say are the top places to live. The top places to raise a family. The fastest growing states in the USA the past 10 years?
If your legislature didn’t pass a bill legalizing gambling, you wouldn’t even have a franchise anymore, so I’m not sure why you come here with your attitude.
You might want to read up on Ron Francis and see why he decided to move here and not Pittsburgh. It wasn’t to watch NASCAR.
GM of CanesCountry.com
I wasn't comparing cities
I was defending the Penguins franchise, and if you read I never say one disparaging word about your Canes.
To your credit I did step out of line by questioning the name recognition of the city of Raleigh, but never once said it was a bad place to live or anything else along those lines.
I am sure it is a great place, and I know it is a hockey mad house. The original post questioned the hypocrisy of attacking others for associating your area with NASCAR, when your own Coach does the same thing.
Sorry your readers took this WAY to personal. They started attacking the Pens franchise and I stood up for it by pointing out facts. Read through the posts and see who is being reasonable and attacking cities. It isn’t me.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You got testy about the “niche” comment … which is true. The NHL, in the U.S., is a niche sport. It is here, it is in Pittsburgh. That’s why it’s TV deal stinks.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not a Niche sport in Pittsburgh
I lived there for 23 years. I think I would know if it was Niche or not. Public schools offer it as a sport. Youth leagues exist. More people follow hockey than don’t.
It is not a Niche in Pittsburgh sorry, find some proof. I lived there I know what it was like.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you said you lived in South Carolina? If it’s not niche in Pittsburgh, why were the post game interviewed delayed there until the Pirate report was over? Face it, when you’re behind even the Pirates, it’s a niche!
Go Canes!
Read what I said.
I lived there for 23 years.
That means past tense. People move for reasons. That is your only support for niche, the Pirate report? Are you serious? LOL weak argument pal
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely you learned grammar in the Ivy league
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But you may just have had bon-bon in your eye so you didn't see that the first time when you tried to zing me.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, but to be after the Pirates? That’s gotta hurt. It’s not too bad to be after NASCAR down here because, well, it’s NASCAR. But to be second banana to the Pirates?
Go Canes!
That is all you have! LOL
It is rather funny watching you cling to that.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
For a non-niche market, it’s not funny at all to be second fiddle to the Pirates. When exactly did the Pirates last get into the playoffs? And here the Pens are, stroking away now for 2 years running. Hell, they even got into the SCF last year. What did that get you? An after thought to the Pirates.
Go Canes!
That's all you have.
It is sad, but funny. Really, we get it, one night the Pirate Report was underway and they let it play out for an additional 15 minutes rather than cut live to the press conference, which was still aired in its usual complete fashion. Sorry I don’t follow your logic that says that one isolated incident is more telling of a fact about the state of hockey in Pittsburgh, than the high school leagues, youth leagues, hockey clubs, and the tv ratings all season long.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh course you have good TV ratings, you have Sidney Frickin’ Crosby that the NHL promotes until their nose is so far up his ass they can’t see straight! If Sid was down here (I know a wish for sure), but we’d be getting high TV ratings too. Most of the other hockey markets call NBC, the Nothing But Crosby network. It’s irritating to be sure, but you gotta sell what sells. And Sidney gives good face. Without Sidney, Pittsburgh would likely NOT have a hockey team.
Go Canes!
Speculate all you want.
None of us were privy to the negotiations, and the thoughts and intentions of those behind the scenes. But what do you gain in this argument? Putting down another good franchise other than your own? Really has anyone put down your fine franchise? Not that I am aware of.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And Sidney Crosby
established all of those youth leagues, and high school teams, and hockey clubs and arenas ten years ago? I missed how that happened.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
z
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
While the Pirates may suck in their recent history.
They have arguably on of the best ballparks in America, and a great past with many star players. It is nice having a hometown baseball team even if they do suck. We can still have some civic pride and Pittsburghers can watch big league ball without leaving the state.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that not Durham?
Seriously I don’t know the answer. Is Raleigh and Durham kind of a urban sprawl center where the two municipalities are blending into one another?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That is all you have
personal attacks on my typing and the Pirate Report. NICE!
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And all you have to hang your hat on is uneducated comments about Paul Maurice’s press conference. When anyone who knows what they are talking about (or even listens to NHL broadcasters lament on how funny Mo is with his quick, dry whit), would know that Mo is being ironical and facetious.
Go Canes!
You are going from Niche to comments
Way to follow along in a coherent fashion. Face it I pwned you and you can’t handle it.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Owned would necessitate that we were on equal ground to begin with. Your time is over. Punked.
Go Canes!
LOL
Have your last word then, anyone who comes and reads this will see the flaws in your logic, and the weakness of your argument.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
like most everybody else
who has ever lived there, you left to find a better life.
I understand.
by DidJussiThat? on May 22, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The National TV Deal
is not indicative of the individual markets. That is like saying all American Cars are gas guzzlers, despite the fact there are numerous exceptions.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
by Stanley Cup of Chowder on May 21, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions
That is freaking funny.
Great find.
But NASCAR and Carolina have NOTHING in common other than regional geography!
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, so what? The prejudice of Northerners is amazing. Why is it that a sport that is much, much more successful than the NHL is used as an insult towards Southerners? If you want to talk about stupid sports that Northerners like, what about Curling?
Still not a crook!
I just think it is funny how sensitive Canes fans are to the NASCAR jokes. Then it turns outs the Hurricanes sponsor a car and Mo is making NASCAR references.
I have never played curling, but it looks like fun. No one in the in the lower plays curling (curls?).
by Stanley Cup of Chowder on May 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
as do i. maybe blaming “northerner prejudice” for not being taken seriously is a sterotype or perjudice all in its own. hmmm now theres a deep thought.
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by oldtimehockey09 on May 21, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the same thing as me saying, “HA!! Pittsburgh fans like football!!” It doesn’t make sense. Yes, I like NASCAR, so what’s your real point?
The underlying implication in calling us NASCAR fans is the kind of person you perceve to watch NASCAR. You think NASCAR fans are ignorant hicks and that is why you get delight in labeling Hurricane fans NASCAR fans.
Still not a crook!
Like I said, I am not offended by being called a NASCAR fan. Just like you wouldn’t be offended by being called a football fan. Those who make the NASCAR jokes and the ones who are offended by it share the same prejudice.
Still not a crook!
o.0
we have a winner
gold star for a valid point +1
" I AM CAPATIN CHAOS, and this is my trusty Sidekick cato. Say hello Cato"
Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 22, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I still stand by my comment comparing the Pens to the Tampa Bay Rays
Of course there are differences, I mean the Rays are still a relatively new team to baseball and they haven’t won championships like the Pens have, but how can you NOT see the analogy?
Both teams were bottom dwellers for a few years in a row garnering multiple top draft picks which were used on the best talent in the draft and said players formed the basis of the team that has now been successful.
But the Rays
futility was not because of a financial mess, and they will most likely become in a mess if they try and keep all of those players in the long term. I get your analogy to an extent, but the Rays fans came out of left field. The Pens have had a good base for many years.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 21, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Pens attendance … last in 2004 (before Sidney)y.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2004
25th in 2003, 22nd in 2002
Even 20th in 2006 in Year 1 w/ Crosby (when they were losing).
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
they’re their when they win … that’s true of most places (Raleigh included). That is my entire point …
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No… Do a little research on it. It was generally accepted that the team was leaving town so the casual fan didn’t get attached. They had Crosby and were not paying much to set themselves up for either…
A. a new arena elsewhere
B. a new arena in PGH
Since it was general knowledge that it was likely to be option A people kind of stopped going.
So wouldn’t that mean that Pittsburgh isn’t a “hockey city” since everyone gave up on them (according to you). Don’t cities usually fight for their teams?
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmm I won’t even try to hide it. We’re Steelers 1st Penguins second. A lot of people did fight. did you miss the part where I said “casual fans” stopped going. Those are the ones that don’t know enough to fight. Quite a number of people fought which is why the team is still here and there’s pretty good reason to be proud of that.
If you read thru the entire thread, that’s my whole point. That Pittsburgh is a football town. That hockey is a niche sport there. It’s a niche sport everywhere in the U.S., for the most part. That’s not a slam on Pittsburgh .. it’s just the reality of the situation.
by Cory Lavalette on May 21, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not a niche sport
I thought I pointed that out to you time and again. The public schools offer it as a sport! There are youth leagues, college teams, hockey clubs. There is a big hockey culture that has been there since the 90s. That is NOT a niche Yes it is a football town, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a hockeytown either. And the attendance stats you pulled are also part of a larger, league wide trend. Those years are just before the lockout, the Pens were still paying off their debts from previous owners. The team had a glorified AHL team, if any team had those issues you could forget fans coming. That is reality. To say it means Pittsburgh is not a hockeytown is absurd.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 22, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
is Hockey a niche in Detroit?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 22, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
nope … but that state has the worst economy in the entire country, which is why they had a hard time selling out even as a great team.
by Cory Lavalette on May 22, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Lacrosse is offered everywhere … so is soccer. Just b/c it’s in high schools doesn’t mean the professional league doesn’t need to find a niche. The Pens almost moved TWICE. Not once, twice. It’s a good hockey market, a city I’m glad didn’t lose their team. But honestly … we’re not talking Toronto here.
by Cory Lavalette on May 22, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
your order is wrong friend.
steelers
pens
pirates
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Dom Deluise 1933-2009, Cannonball run
by oldtimehockey09 on May 22, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
He thinks he knows Pittsburgh
he claims over and over that he knows the hearts of the Burgh
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 22, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
your team nearly folded
Bankrupt. Kaput. No more. An ex parrot.
If you hadn’t legalized slot machines (otherwise known as gambling for idiots or stealing money from retired people) you wouldn’t even have a team, and Sid Crosby would be playing in Hamilton, ON, where he would probably be happier, since he could at least have a decent beer.
by DidJussiThat? on May 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This is going to blow everyone's mind, but...
I’m in a Nascar fantasy league and the league commisioner is from….Pittsburgh!!!
Still not a crook!
LMAO!!!
I have lived in PA and NC and can assure you that there are just as many “rednecks” and NASCAR fans in PA as here in NC.
by packpigskinfan25 on May 22, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
There are NASCAR races all over the country and NASCAR fans just about anywhere you go. That being said, apparently the entire country is NASCAR country then. Let people say what they want about hockey in North Carolina, but we have won a more recent Stanley Cup than Pittsburgh and frankly any team from the north besides Sweden (I mean the Red Wings) , and I believe that is enough said on that. Other than the Red Wings, we have been the most successful team in the NHL the last five seasons. Who cares where we live as long as we keep winning, and it looks as if we are doing a pretty dang good job of that. Go Canes!!!
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