Dany Heatley Anyone?
by Bob Wage on Jun 10, 2009 11:33 AM EDT
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The latest news from Ottawa is that All Star winger, Dany Heatley, wants out of the capital city. Heatley scored 50 goals in two consecutive seasons for the Sens, (2005-06 and 2006-07), and has totaled 362 points in the past four seasons. When his mind is right, he can be one of the dominating forces in the game.
But before you start drooling about the possibility of a Staal/Heatley combination, the winger comes with a healthy price tag. He earned 10 million last year and has five years remaining on his contract, (to be paid out 8,8,8,6,5). The cap hit for the Canes would be 7.5 million each year. Couple that with Staal's cap hit of 8.2 million for seven years, and you start to have Tampa Bay type nightmares, highly paid superstars at the top and no money left over for anyone else. If I was Bryan Murray, I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for a call from Jim Rutherford.
Although playing devil's advocate here, it is possible that a deal could be made. The Hurricanes are always a budget minded team, but if they dropped enough salary this year, they could afford him. Eric Staal's contract is backend loaded and the team drops a lot of salary after 2010. Supposing the Canes traded Kaberle, (2,2), Ruutu, (2.5), and the rights to Babchuk, (1). If Erik Cole wanted too much money, (over 3 million), the Canes could pass on him, take a chance on "Heater", and end up close to where they were in their budget if they had to pay Cole and the others.
Of course there are several unknown intangibles. Would re-signing Cole and Ruutu at higher salaries be better for the team than acquiring Heatley? Would Heatley even be happy in Carolina? Would his ego fit in the Hurricanes dressing room? Would he mesh with Eric Staal? The winger has a no trade clause in his contract, so he has the power to approve or nix whatever deal Murray can put together.
Trading for the superstar would solve a problem many fans have been complaining about, adding someone with the skill set to compliment Staal. And putting them together just might create the most powerful duo in the NHL. While I'm not sure I would make the deal myself, it's an interesting thought for a boring summer day.
What do you think?
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I would LOVE to have Heatley as a part of this team!! Anyone who wouldnt is nuts! However in reality it will never happen without getting rid of at least 2 of the 3 guys we want the Canes to sign so badly…. (Ruu,Jussi,LaRose)
by packpigskinfan25 on Jun 10, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Not unless
Ottawa picked up some of his contract. I would rather have Ruutu, Cole, Jokinen, and Babchuk; think we could sign all 4 for what Heatley is paid. Think about this…JR could sign an entire three man line for what Heatley is due. If you are going to spend that kind of money please spend it on a bonified #1 Defenseman, or two…
+1
Dani sounds like he wants to be “the Star”. I think there are other places he’d fit in just fine – but I can’t see how he’d earn his paycheck in Raleigh.
The Canes will win with a team not with one superstar.
(BTW – did anyone elso happen to catch the Canes/ Edmonton Game 7 from the 06 SCF on TV yesterday? NHL network had it on as a vintage game and I got it on the DVR. Hard to believe how much has changed in 3 years – eg: Kaberle and Wallin are the only D holdovers. And Roddy was such a dominating force. Staal was kind of wild. The style of play was so different from now (almost no passing amongst the forward lines – just drive the net solo and pound on the rebounds) Cam Ward was just as phenomenal as we remembered.)
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Jun 10, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that an option in the NHL?
I’ve never heard of a team sending salary.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe when they put them up on waivers (thinking how the Stars will be paying Avery to wear a blueshirt for a few more years). I’d like to know if it could be done in this sort of situation.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Jun 10, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't really know if its possible or not
Just thought that would be the only way we could absorb his salary. Pretty sure it happens in waiver situations and buyouts, ie Whitney played for less money due to buyout from Redwings after lockout. Heard of it in other leagues….NFL and MLB. Also this was my round about way of saying…it will never happen
I’ve never been a fan of signing or acquiring a super star type player….
I’d rather have a TEAM where everyone clicks and plays together……
Not that I wouldn’t take Heatley… he is one hell of a hockey player… and has matured a lot since his time in Atlanta… I would have him on the team…. but not at that price tag….
And…. could you imagine the pressure of living up to that contract in Canada? No wonder he might want out!!!!
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Jun 10, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
Ahhh, Bubba, you opened a can of worms here for me! Now the only thing I will think of is if the Canes would just take the time to even see what the sens would want for him (if they are actually shopping him).
I would definitely go after Heatley, but our $$$ situation will probably just make this a fading dream…….
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Although I don’t think this deal would ever happen, I think it would be a tremendous move for the Hurricanes. The Canes’ biggest problem has been their reliance on Eric Staal and this past postseason proved it even more so. If Eric Staal was slumping, so too were the Canes. With the digression of Rod Brind’amour it will be harder and harder for the Canes to have a legitimate chance at a cup without a bonified number 2 offensive threat; a person who can score 30+ goals. I’d like to see it happen because I think it would bring alot out in our powerplay (which desperately needs improvement) and in Eric Staal (who continues to fall short of his ’06 season). We may lose a bit of depth in the process, but we do have some young, cheap prospects who could fill the voids. Aquring a sure fire offensive threat is a better option than paying similar money for several middle-of-the-road players whom we are banking on for having good seasons.
As for the argument that Heatley may be too big of an ego or may desire to be the number one star, I think you can pretty much throw that out of the window if he accepts a trade to a small market like Carolina. Him accepting a trade here from a place like Ottawa would show that he has much more desire to win a Cup than to shine in the spotlight. Hockey is not like Basketball. Teams like Detroit and Pittsburgh prove that there is plenty of room on a hockey team for multiple superstars. In fact, it is what makes teams elite.
That being said, it will never happen. Too much going against it. Our limited budget will prevent Rutherford (and perhaps rightly so) into tying up that much money in just two players (although Pittsburgh is showing what can be done with two stars and a couple role players). I highly doubt Heatley would ever want to play in a small market like Raleigh and would probably nix the trade. And in order for the trade to happen, we’d have to do it sooner rather than later, because a lot of our free agent decisions would hinge upon it occuring. And that’s assuming that the Senators would even be willing to trade their star player (highly doubtful).
I don't have any issues with him coming to RDU......
……just don’t let him drive any teammates around town. :(
Satan is just a coping mechanism for monotheists.
Low blow, man, low blow.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it is. Two of Carolina’s teams (Hurricanes and Panters) are know for being class acts and don’t put up with crap like that. When Jeff O’Neil had his problems after his brother was killed and got his DUI, the Canes quietly let him go to Toronto. Although what happened to Heatly in ATL was a while back, it was still a stupid thing for him to do that cost another mans life. If he doesn’t care anymore about himself or his team mates than that, we don’t need him.
Christ...
Hope you never made a mistake in your formative years, lest ye be judged by somebody with your mindset.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 11, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
mistake?????
that’s spilling your milk, dialing a wrong number, or forgetting a birthday. But, to get into a vehicle and drive over 100 mph, lose control, and kill another human being and almost killing yourself, that, my friend, is not a mistake. Am I perfect? Absolutely not, but, I also don’t have another human beings blood on my hands because of a stupid and irresponsible decision. I don’t cut him slack, just like I don’t cut Steve Chaisson any. These guys are/were adults, and neither one made a mistake, but willingly chose to break the law. Both by speeding excessively and one while intoxicated……yep, I’ve never made a “mistake” like that, and never will either.
I stand by my statement, we don’t need someone on the team that is that selfish.
You've never sped? EVER?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 11, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Steve Smith has also punched two teammates in the face… but the Panthers NEED him and know they can survive any mistakes he will make.
People make mistakes dude… some are worse then others.
Now I am dont want some TO-like cancer on a my teams, but I dont want some team of softie do-gooders either.
Heatley made a mistake- he is no PacManJones.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jun 11, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
From a newspaper article (for the few who may not know about what happened)
In late September 2003, Heatley drove his Ferrari approximately 130 km/h down a narrow, two-lane Atlanta road when he spun out of control and smashed into a brick and wrought-iron fence. Heatley was charged with second-degree vehicular homicide, driving too fast for condition, failure to maintain a lane and speeding. Heatley would have faced up to 20 years in prison and fines totalling $5,000 US if the case had gone to trial and he was convicted on all counts.
Yep, you’re right, I’m wrong, he was forced to go 130mph on a narrow winding road, he had nothing to do with it, totally not his fault. Dan Snyders death, insignificant really, I mean, he was only in his 4th year in the NHL. Lets sign him up.
Speeding is one thing, Driver while under the influence, another..but homicide – that is in a whole different ballpark. Procton, ask yourself how many people have received a speeding ticket during their lifetime versus killed someone. A lot more have received the prior than the latter.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64521-2005Feb4.html
Kinda reminds me of MacTavish. I would like to say that mistakes are mistakes, but someone is in a grave right now because of his…
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 11, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"neither one made a mistake, but willingly chose to break the law"
Nobody is forced to speed.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 11, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
breaking the law can range from a $10 parking ticket to first degree murder and the death penalty. That is why the crimes code in each jurisdiction list different penalties for each crime. Have you ever gotten a parking ticket? Ever accidently gone left of center while driving? I would find it hard to believe that you yourself have never broken the law- despite whether or not you intended to. Intent only matters when it comes to certain crimes. Kinda like weighing on the civil side an intentional tort (assault, battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress..etc) vs. negligence (duty, breach, causation, damages). People can speed because they arent paying attention, not because they intend to break the law.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 11, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't the one who was acting all high and mighty.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 11, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry if I posted it under you, I thought that it was going under kcljar- just realized it- sorry again.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 11, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It's ok.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 11, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
first off as Cory has already stated- that is 81mph, nowhere near 130mph. I go 75-80mph every day on my way to work… and I drive a 99 Civic.
Heatley made a very poor decision that many young men do. I am sure that his status as an NHL player helped him a bit in court, but not all that much that it became the reason he didnt go to jail. You can think whatever you want but I dont see him as evil because of this. I have had this happen to friends of mine, and have also had friends of mine be in this situation. Heatley likely would have had everything reduced to a simple misdemenor careless and wreckless and POSSIBLY an involuntary manslaughter- which is not even a felony.
Things like this happen every day. Just because Heately is famous does not mean he should pay a harsher price then anyone else. In saying that- what I mean is that he should be able to get any job that he is clearly qualified for.
Get off your high horse and come back to reality. This isnt a case of someone being on drugs or under the influence. This is a case of someone SPEEDING. Accidents happen all the time, speed involved or not. Heatley didnot get off free like you suggest. He probably paid more for his crime then someone with less $$ would have, and I am sure that the death of someone at his hands is on his mind everyday.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jun 11, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You are being ridiculous. You cannot even argue this without the facts of the case…i.e. going 75 on an expressway instead of;
“The MVP of the 2003 NHL All-Star Game, Heatley was driving his Ferrari on a curved road in a residential area when it ran into a brick pillar and iron fence. " (no this is from an article- it is not authority)
And who knows why he pled down from the allegations- the DA maybe didnt have enough evidence to prove their case.
I would see if I can pull the case on westlaw or lexis but am too darn lazy right now to try and do so.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 11, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no… I was just stating that its more of something we all can relate to(going 80mph) when someone tried to make it sound like he was going 130mph.
I knew it was a residential area. I know enough about the case to have an opinion. I dont think Heatley should be banished from ever being a Cane because of what he did, or the NHL for that matter. That is all I was saying…
were you not the person who just typed that long paragraph that started with “breaking the law can range from…” I think we are arguing the same side here…
by packpigskinfan25 on Jun 11, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 11, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Both of those teammates (particularly Bright) have goaded him on.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 11, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
kcljar is entitled to his/her opinion – why bother questioning his/her magnamity? Not like JR reads these forums and makes decisions off them. Me, as long as he keeps his nose clean and plays nice with Staal, I think an owner would be foolish not to consider it.
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JR reads them- I would bet my car on it…wait I cant, lost it on a different bet :)
by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 11, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the Right Fit
It would be interesting to see Heatley in a Canes uniform, but he’s not the right fit for the Eric Staal line. Staal needs a playmaker to help set up what he does best; score goals. Heatley and Staal together would put up big numbers, but it would not be the best fit for either player and be very expensive for this small market team. Staal needs someone like a Semin on his line. A player that is a threat and can score, but also a player that can make a sensational pass.
No - no more dumb moves by rutherford...
Id rather have Kuba if forced to take a senator…we need a tough physical blueliner like, oh, I don’t know – JACK JOHNSON! I mean WTF:
Johnson was drafted by the Carolina Hurricanes in the first round, 3rd overall, in the 2005 NHL Entry Draft. Fearing losing him to free-agency after having him refuse to sign away from college1, Canes’ GM Jim Rutherford decided to get a defenseman that could play immediately. This resulted in the trade on September 29, 2006, that saw Johnson’s rights, along with Oleg Tverdovsky, traded to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Tim Gleason and Éric Bélanger. The trade has been widely disputed as a steal for Los Angeles.[citation needed] It gave the Canes an immediate defenseman in Gleason and made cap room by dumping Tverdovsky’s large salary, but Bélanger was quickly traded away for Josef Vašíček who has since left Carolina. A year after the trade Tverdovsky went to Russia, freeing the Kings of having to pay him his final year.
Johnson played two seasons for the University of Michigan in the Central Collegiate Hockey Association. During his first year, he set the school record for single-season penalty minutes (149) and points (32) by a freshman defenseman. The next year, he set the school record for the most goals (16) by a sophomore defenseman in a single season and was named the CCHA Offensive Defenseman of the Year.2 During his tenure at Michigan, Johnson became a fan favorite for his physicality and end-to-end play.
Yeah, because Johnson has turned out to be AWESOME!
You=
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course Jack Johnson is good!!
That is why JR drafted him in the first place. JR has his pride. Johnson was needed, he declined to sign. Do you really want a team that bows to players or a team that is in charge of the club. I choose the latter. Tim Gleason, while a bit overrated, was capable and ready to skate. That is a good move at the time and I am sure JR would do it again. If the only reason to trade him was to let all prospects know “When this team calls, sign on the dotted line or pack your bags.” then it was worth it. Wait for this guy to develop before you say he is AWESOME. I get the feeling that JR has forgotten more hockey than you have ever known………….AAAHHH that was fun.
If his "development" thus far is any example...
He was way overdrafted and overvalued. I’m very happy with the way things turned out. Being a diva doesn’t make anybodya better option.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 13, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh, michael procton – the guy who knows everything about every sport…please try to give a young defenseman more than 3 years to show you (who’s never played hockey), how “awesome” he is — OK? fact is, we need to continue the selection and development of young talent that may form a cohesive team – not pay a fortune for a half German/Half Canadian little kid who races around in his “ferrari” for fun….Alamo
PS: That looks like one of those little trolls my sister used to put on her pencil…where did you get that?
PSS: NBA = gay
Why?
…please try to give a young defenseman more than 3 years to show you (who’s never played hockey), how "awesome" he is — OK?
Since his entry-level contract is for three years and he is an RFA this summer. Oh, and his father allegedly contacted a KHL official on his behalf. So far, he has brought the Kings 22 points in 120 games over three seasons and a collective -42 and who knows how much longer he will be a King. I’ll take Gleason.
Dunno, if Heatley’s ego is as large as everyone has implied, I’m not sure I like it. I like the canes because they seem to be a TEAM rather than a bunch of egos in a cramped smelly locker room…
:)
It becomes even less palatable considering what we might have to give/pass up to get him (specifically Ruu, Jussi or Rosie). And Ruu might be really happy to go to ottawa, since both of his brothers are there. How would that work – do you trade an RFA? or let the sens make an offer you won’t match?
Bah! Never mind, I don’t even want to think about the three of them not being here next year…
by Andrea's evil twin on Jun 10, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions
myself, would not want him here, but I am not the one making that call so all I will add is that we need 1 or 2 more TEAM players to help Staal and reduce the load on Roddy so we can get the Cup back to the Rednecks!
if i were the canes i would be more concerned about keeping the UFAs then going after heatly.although i would try and contact him to see if he were willing to take a pay cut to play for a contender like carolina. jsut my two cents
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jun 10, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Make Carolina known to be a "team"
and not a collection of stars drawing large paychecks. Eventually as (hopefully) the ’Canes keep being perennial contenders, even some “superstars” choke their egos, take a pay cut and go to a team that wins.
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Someone above mentioned Canadian pressure and that may very well make him want to join a non-trad team. If he’s feeling out of place in Ott then Raleigh has made itself known to be a gettaway for players who can’t find a nitch elsewhere, and it’s a good team.
I saw the post on Blueshirt Banter and the thought of Heater going to NYR made me giggle. I think the days of NYR being the “it” place for pay days is over. Seems like players don’t go there to win, they go there to get paid.
I think dangling a goaltender prospect wouldn’t hurt us here, especially if we’re committed to Ward.
via Puck Daddy
More to the Heatley “I want out” saga with a $4mil bonus due him July 1.
see the specifics in this article (apparently the LA Kings are among a few lukewarm suiters. Justin Williams would like that)
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
There's rumors of Boston being a spot for him as well.
In a switch for Kessel and Bergeron.
It’d save us almost no cap space though, and I’d be curious to see who’d take the gamble on Patrice coming back 100%.
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