Two Possible Deals - Would one of these work for the Canes?
by Bob Wage on Jul 22, 2009 11:31 AM EDT
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The Carolina Hurricanes are shopping for an experienced, physical, top four defenseman. But who? Jim Rutherford has indicated that the club's intent is to trade a forward, (or maybe more), for the needed player. There has been a lot of conjecture and postulating about who the new defenseman might be and who the Canes might offer up for his services.
Of course, Cory and I have our opinions about this as well:
Bubba's Take:
Would Jim Rutherford bring back yet another Carolina alum for one more go-round with the Hurricanes? Of course he would. Everyone knows that the Carolina GM loves to bring back familiar faces to the organization if the situation warrants it. That time could be approaching once again. Here is a proposed deal that might make sense for both teams.
Aaron Ward, (one year at 2.5 million), to the Hurricanes for Patrick Eaves, (two years at 1.4 and 1.7 million) and a third or later round draft choice.
The deal makes sense for Boston because they have a serious salary cap problem, (presently 58 million?). They are probably losing a valuable forward in Phil Kessel and will need another body to take his place. Eaves has a pretty reasonable salary and might fit in well with the group. He has played with success at Boston College and would probably be an immediate hit with fans. The Canes throw in a draft pick because Eaves is slightly overpaid for his past results. The Bruins would get a serviceable player, a draft pick, and save some money.
The deal makes sense for the Canes because Aaron Ward brings a physical edge that the team needs. He played top four minutes with Boston last year down the stretch and did well. His contract, (2.5 million) would be close to what the team has allocated and it is only for one year, not tying the Canes down to a long term deal. He is familiar with the players and still lives in the area. Patty Eaves is expendable now that the team has signed Tom Kostopoulos.
Cory's Take:
GM Jim Rutherford has openly discussed the need to acquire a top-four defenseman whose physicality could complement Joni Pitkanen in a big-minute role. Players like this aren't easy to come by. Colorado and San Jose both have a glut of high-paid blueliners, some who match Carolina's needs. But if I were to slip into Rutherford's shoes for a day, it would be a different Western Conference team I'd have on my speed dial: the Calgary Flames.
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I wouldn’t mind having Aaron Ward back, but the question is would he want to come back here? We all know the story behind the “sucker punch” crap, and I’m not sure if Ward would gel with the people on this team after a tough series where he felt the Canes including JR were playing “dirty” (riiiiight….). I wouldn’t mind it, but I just don’t see that being a possibility with possible dislikes between certain players in the dressing room (i.e. mainly Ward and Walker). I am also still not sold on the fact that JR would get a guy with just one year left on a contract. With Corvo more than likely leaving after this year, that would leave two of our top 4 positions vacant, unless we were to resign Ward, and he isn’t young anymore. I really think JR is looking for a longer term option.
Now Cory’s pick of Robyn Regehr would fit that long term bill. But the only problem I see here (sorry, not trying to be a pessimist) is the money. We have yet to sign Ruu and after we do that, we will be very close to that magical 49 million mark. So that means we would have to do a buyout of Kaberle, and ship off a couple of players to ease that amount down a little to fit him into our budget (an I don’t think just Eaves will solve that issue, but please correct me if I am wrong there).
I just wouldn’t want to ship Sutter out. I still think the kid could play for us at the NHL level. Even with Boychuk and Paradis (who I am assuming to be natural Centers, although I may be wrong) in the system, we still have room for Sutter here. With Brindy getting up there age wise and Cully also getting up there, I can still see Sutter centering a line here with Boychuk on a wing. I just don’t want to have to ship out a prospect for anything right now.
I am not raggin on your choices Bubba and Cory just stating some issues I see with the possibilities that’s all.
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One small thing to add … Regehr has a no movement clause. So he’d need to be talked into it.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
Do we have anyone who’s played with him?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of international play with Team Canada, I’m not sure … but if he were to call around to ex-teammates to ask about Carolina, he played with both Cory Stillman and Mike Commodore with the Flames.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
here's from the Flames official site: player: season summary
2008-09 HIGHLIGHTS:
missed the opening game of the season for the birth of his first child (boy) on Oct.9
We all know the Triangle is THE perfect place to raise a family. that’s where you start. As hockeymomof2 I’ll start the email campaign to Mrs Regehr. Just tell me when I can start.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
“First off, no one fits the bill of what Rutherford is looking for better than Regehr. He’s a rugged, stay-at-home defenseman who will punish the opposition and infuse more leadership into the locker room.”
Willie Mitchell fits that bill.
Regehr’s better and younger than Mitchell … and they make the same amount this year.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Cory – did you work the math? can we afford the guy?
I just looked and saw Regehr was born in Brazil. Surely he’d appreciate the warmer climate of NC…? (figuring out where I’d I start my “Carolina is better than Alberta” pitch) I can see the Sutter trade as a useful sweetener. But, boy oh boy Regehr had better be good. Is he better than Seids? I see 122 hits and 79 blocked shots. But at least his /- (10) is decent (Phaneuf was -11 ).
Another question – why doesn’t he show up in the playoff stats?
Bubba: Not so sure about A Ward. That’s take some getting used to. Maybe you’re right about Eaves doing well in BOS though. Would they also want Michael Ryan? (sort of equiv to Cory’s family-tree deal of Sutter to Calgary) Is Wideman not an option?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you find a way to get a guy like Regehr. Karmanos’ budget isn’t a hard one, as we learned last year. If it means going over a little to land him, you do it.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
okay – but my other question: why didn’t he show up in the playoffs?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Knee (MCL) injury in April … he tried to play through it during the season. He was probably going to be ready for the middle of Round 2, but Calgary didn’t make it that far.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Surgery required? Knee injuries scare me – for any sport.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No surgery.
Word on the street (in Calgary) is that he should be a full go for training camp in September.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Ed Jovanovski from the Coyotes? Granted his salary is huge, but he would be a powerhouse for the Canes.
by James The Aussie on Jul 22, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
no way
overpaid and old….and not the shutdown guy we are looking for. He’s more of a puck mover, and PP guy.
I wouldn't go that far.
He certainly plays with size and strength. His +/- hasn’t been pretty lately, but those have also been some awful Phoenix teams.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll give you the younger part. Looking at Colorados roster, they have an abundance of D and are lacking forwards. Could Selei or Foote be an option?
I dunno … Regehr makes Canada’s Olympic team each time out. There’s something to that. Not a knock on Mitchell, I like him, but Regehr, IMO, is a bit better.
Personally, I think Clark or Salei are options. As I mentioned in comments of a diff. entry, they have six D making at least $2.75M, and SJ has seven making at least $1.7M … both would be better off shedding a blueliner.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Also … if you deal with Colorado, do you maybe send Cullen back the other way? Big salary for what he does, but he’s UFA after this year and the Avs desperately need a center.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think, based on how he looked after that foot injury was done, late in the Playoffs, Cullen’s headed for a career year, personally. We’d need to get someone pretty awesome in trade.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again...
It’s hard to bank on a career year out of the guy at 32.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, excuuuuuse me! My fact-checker was at lunch.
So I forgot he was so “OLD” at least in hockey years. =D
(I was thinking 29-30 or so – like Cole)
But I do expect 09-10 to be the best season in the latter stages of Cullen’s NHL career. Next summer will likely be his last big contract. And we need him to shine.
And how old was Brindy in 05-06? 35, yes? That year his numbers matched those he had 10 years early with the Flyers.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the word out of Colorado is that Foote can be had for little to nothing. He’s a big risk because of injury concerns but could also deliver a substantial reward. Not sure JR would take on that risk with his salary at around 2.75.
I don’t think Foote can log 20 minutes a night anymore. He played a touch under that last year, but dropped three or four minutes from the year before. Greg de Vries is a similar player and still available in free agency, but is a third-pairing guy these days.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at who our presumed trade bait is I dont think we can expect too much in return thats why I’m more inclined to go with a player like Foote rather than a Regehr, Selei or Ehrhoff. JR usually flies under the radar with his acquisitions anyway so it would probably be a player that wasnt even thought of. I also find it hard to fathom that JR would be willing to take on a salary over 2.5M, even just for 1 year. Bubbas trade is pretty realistic but the whole recycling thing isnt as exciting.
If they could move Cullen as part of it, it’s not like adding that much salary.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Both deals sound great, I wouldnt mind sending sutter to Calgary if we could get back value like that.
Now on trading Cullen….
The reason his contract is so big, is that we let him walk (he might have stayed for a slightly less).
How long did he stay in new york before we realized that belanger was not the answer to our problems? Next thing you know, he is back in Carolina again. The way he looked with Rosie and Whitney (and even sammie) I agree with hockeymom that he should have a great season.
We have a ton of depth at center in the org. but we do not have a true #2 center. Cullen is a 3 that can play like 2 for stretches. Brind’amour is now a 3/4. Jussi is 3. Sutter is 4. Even if boychuck makes the team he might not even play center and he would not fill in at number 2 to be sure.
So can we afford to give up Cully for a Dman? I dont think so. Im not even sure with out making a move to try to fill the hole we can afford to give him up for a pronger type d man ( i would take my chances though,lol)
Thats just how I see it. Cullen might just be as indispensable as staal or wardo when i think of it in those terms (not in terms of talent, but need)
by CarolinaCanes on Jul 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Belanger wasn't the problem...
He’s about a 35 point guy who’ll win faceoffs consistently and play near 0 for the year on the +/-. Cullen is old, he’s had injury issues frequently of late, and, as I said above, it’s tough to count on a career year from a 32-year-old who’s been hurt a lot.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
belanger was a HUGH problem. You have to remember what we thought we were getting. He was supposed to be the third line center that we lost when cullen went to NY. We were coming off the cup year where we were able to roll three scoring lines. Cullens line was dynamite durring the last part of the season and into the playoffs. (2006 im refering to)
Belanger came in with no upside,was not comfortable with the team (not his fault) and was really only a 4 line checking center. Belanger is NOW playing closer to the guy we thought we were getting. Im happy for him for that, but I for one (aswell as JR) was very dissappointed in his stay here in Carolina.
by CarolinaCanes on Jul 22, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Cullen is a chemistry guy...
don’t mess with the chemistry. tried it once, killed us losing him. i would love to have a. ward back but this regehr guy sounds good too. can we have both please?
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Don't start the Dion chants???
C-Leaguer has never STOPPED the Dion chants. I bet you his eyes lite up like the Vegas strip when he reads about a trade with Calgary.I like Regher over Ward, strictly because of serviceability and age.
Satan is just a coping mechanism for monotheists.
Babchuk
(sorry – but you asked)
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i like babchuk, and i think you all will be eating you words come march next year.
thats my prediction
The guy has some skill, but his attitude is what kills him in my mind. He has been a p.i.t.a. since he arrived in Carolina. BTW, I predict you’re wrong on your prediction.
by Canes Pucknut on Jul 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
pita?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
When he's dashing off to Russia again because his team won't give him enough minutes for his standing as best player on the '08 Hurricanes?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Im going to go with Al Macinnis. He’s too old to help the team much.
Cant get much bigger of a name than that. But i would have to pass
by CarolinaCanes on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Cory’s trade idea better… just would hate to lose Sutter.
Ward would be nice if it wouldnt cause any drama… but I feel like it would. That is the one thing that this team has always been able to stay away from, and I hope they keep it that way.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 22, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
Cory, you think Sarich could also be an option?
by outlander_caniac on Jul 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
I would hope not … why shoot for Sarich if you can go for Regehr instead?
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant him as an option in case Regehr is not availble (which would be awsome!)
by outlander_caniac on Jul 22, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think he’s on a bad deal … paid too much for what he is.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I mean getting Regehr would be awsome
by outlander_caniac on Jul 22, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think brent or daryl are gonna take a one sided trade just to get brandon in the system.
in a movie, that would work,
but in real life people just dont do that.
family is family, if brandon is worth it, then it can happen.
but if the trade is uneven its not gonna work.
or we would have taken jared staal over dalpe. (which i still think we should have done)
But with JayBo now and enormous cap problems, maybe they’d love to find someone to relieve them of both the large salary and more depth than they need…
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think giving up a big-time prospect, plus a young NHL player and a pick is one-sided.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
no i wasnt nec saying it was,
but the trade would still have to be right,
my point was that the super sutter bros arent gonna except a one sided trade.
i dont know if the rest of the league knows how big of a prospect sutter is.
I'm sure they know just fine.
Every team in the league obviously scouted him for his draft year, and they have guys who’ve seen his work both in the NHL and the A.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I really dont think we would have a problem convincing the “super sutter bros” of his value.
We are very high on brandon and we are not even blood. Im not saying they would “over-value” him but the damn sure will not “under-value” him.
I like all the chatter. Nice post. got some action going on an otherwise dead time.
by CarolinaCanes on Jul 22, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno… they probably know more about his attitude and work ethic then anyone. Of course I imagine that is probably an upside, however I would not say that is etched in stone.
They also probably know his weaknesses more then anyone else. There are two ways of looking at that- 1) they would have an advantage of coaching those weaknesses out OR 2) they may not want that for their team.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
or we would have taken jared staal over dalpe
Neither our GM nor head coach was named “Staal”. The Sutters are one close hockey family. (Seems like Brent burn some bridges walking out on NJD just to get back to RedDeer)
In your example, we were just looking at putting brothers on the same team.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree wholeheartedly.
Look at how much Karmanos gets us to spend on his Hartford/Compuware kids in both drafting and development?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to give Sutter a full year to play with decent talent in Albany before we cut him loose. He hasn’t had the opportunity to play with a real prospect yet, and this year they’ll have 3 or 4 (relatively) skilled forwards to match him with.
agree
A strong D man would be nice though…
I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.
I would hate to see Sutter leave Carolina so soon… but if it puts us another step closer to a Cup- I can not complain.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 23, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
To defend my hypothesis a bit, I don’t think “the punch” factors into the decision making at all. Leighton had a fight with Cam Ward. “Can’t-stop-poulis” fought Alberts and Walker fought Alberts. I think these guys put stuff like that behind them pretty quickly. When either Luke or Chip asked Ward about still working out this preseason with the Canes at the Rec Zone, he expressed more concern over fan reaction than anything else.
I like Cory’s creativity and his selection, but in reality I don’t see the Canes spending that kind of money for a “stay at home” guy, plus it ties up too much salary for years to come.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I also think “the punch” was a lot more controversial than any of the fights you’ve mentioned. It was up there with that Kronwall hit on Havlat for a few days there. And AWard and his management really entered the fray – not just the media types. E Cole didn’t seem to like the guy much either when he was interviewed before he signed…? Just talk?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Cole did make an odd remark, something about he expected Ward to be back here, and then he wasn’t. Something like that I think. shrugs who knows how they really feel? In a professional setting, the GM’s do what they think is best for their clubs and the players have little to say about it anyway, unless they have a no trade clause. Alberts and Walker could hate each other’s guts, but too bad for them.
Boston might not make the deal because they do not have an equivalent to replace Ward with. That’s an issue. But it depends upon who they get when they trade Kessel and that could be the hold up on all of this.
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interesting about the Kessel trade as a hold up. It’s all like dominos sometimes, isn’t it?
And I don’t really think you’re a party pooper. ;)
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they'd much rather trade other guys (Ward/Kobasew?) and keep Kessel, frankly.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But were those just fights?
Or did the guy who came here whine about how he got “sucker-punched” and how the ’Canes were full of dirty players for days?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that part of the reason the Flames signed Jay Bo, other than he wasn’t going to play anywhere else, is that with Jay Bo in the line up it frees up Phanuef to be the player he needs to be. Phanuef is a guy who needs to be able to drop the gloves at times. Last year Calgary tried to downplay that part of his game to avoid having him off the ice for five minutes at a time and his play was the worse for it. With Jay Bo, they won’t have to worry as much, and if they keep Regehr they won’t have to worry at all. With Jay Bo in the lineup look for Phanuef to develop in to Scott Stevens.
Calgary doesn’t care too much about offense. Look at the salaries for the forwards. Iginla makes 7 mill, Ollia makes 5.25, and Langkow makes 4.5. No one else makes over 1.5.
No one else makes over 1.5.
Then Eaves at $1.4 ought to fit right in. :)?
Is their cap situation not a difficult as Cory made it sound?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now, they have $20.7M committed to their top 4 D, $7M more to Kipper. The aforementioned big three up front is nearly $17M more. That’s a lot of coin for eight guys.
I’d disagree on the wanting Phaneuf fighting. You don’t want your No. 2 d-man breaking his hand b/c he fights 10 times a year. They got J-Bo b/c, outside of being a great shutdown guy, he can move the puck and run the PP. That means Phaneuf can roam and shoot more when the Flames have the puck, plus line guys up for hits and not worry that his partner won’t be there (presumably J-Bo, maybe Regehr).
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Matchsticks and Gasoline
might oughta check out the Flames blog discussing next summer’s HUGE cap problems in Calgary and even predicts Phaneuf may be the only one who will need to go. Interesting to look at this from the oppostie direction.
Should I go over there and post that we all voted and we’ll do Cory’s deal…just to see what they say?? I’d be interested to see how they react to dangling Brandon out there.
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i like the sound of Cory’s deal a whole lot, especially after doing some research on Mr. Regehr…Cory, I think you should email your idea to the great JR!!!
But seriously – someone in the Canes organization is reading this , no? like media relations, fan relations, etc…Where better to get their finger on the pulse of such well-informed crazies in the Caniac Nation!
But just who is logging in from Brazil??? (It keeps showing up on the sitemeter, at the bottom). Please show yourself! ( and then tell us how to say “Let’s Go Canes!” in Portuguese)
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be me!
And to make you happy: “Vamos lá, Canes!”
by outlander_caniac on Jul 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s up Bubba…nice to hear from you again
just to clarify: I’m not the dude with the blog, I’m just the dude who loves the Canes
by outlander_caniac on Jul 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s gotta to be an interesting story here. Please write up a fanpost. And are you in Rio?
And what can you tell us about the man of the hour, Regehr. Would he be the only player in the NHL born in Brazil..?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I live in Rio.
About Regehr, I’m sorry to disapoint you, but I don’t have much to add. I believe he was born here because his family use to travel a lot . He was born in Recife, which is far away from Rio.
Peace!
by outlander_caniac on Jul 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks – and please do tell us sometime how you came to be a Caniac (a hockey fan even) in Brazil.
Seems like I saw an Aussie on here somewhere today. Small world after all. =D
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, I'm the Aussie.
Moved to the USA in 2003, always had family in Greensboro. I first saw the Canes in Greensboro in their opening year and have been hooked ever since. Now, I’ve been to over 25 games and am a proud card-carrying Caniac.
Most Aussies love hockey, it pretty much plays out like rugby on ice.
by James The Aussie on Jul 23, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I have exchanged emails with a dude from Brazil. He has his own Hurricanes blog that I have been meaning to insert in the team related link section, which I am going to do right now.
http://www.rideforthcaniacs.blogspot.com/
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Heck – I just looked. Someone in Red Deer has been reading too. Which Sutter do you think it might have been?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A Ward - No
A Ward deal doesn’t make sense to me. He has one year left on his contract. He’s already left Raleigh once to go earn the big bucks. So he’s likely to do it again, as is his right. So who do we give up to get an elderly D-man who’s likey to stay one year ?
My take on the “Sucker Punch” issue- wouldn’t mean a thing after the first couple beers.
Well, Cory hit one of my fears on the head. Spend sutter. I think the calgary Sutters would be attracted to just such a deal. Our forward core is weak and spending the future sucks. I also think there are many like minded to Cory’s thoughts. I pray brindy comes back or gets hit by a bus, talk about a cap drain. I kind of think the up and comers for the ‘Canes are too thick and juicy not to spend, ’cause they obviously can’t use them with the rest of the baggage we are carrying. Real shame when the captain was a 4th liner last yuear, the franchise scorer needs a multi million dollar pacifier, Walker, who’s almost in a walker is one of the bad ass’s on the team and the wallin/kaberle anchor could pay for a good replacement if shed. While I think the team is shaping up, there are some issues in hoiuse that need to be handled. Spending some of the kids isn’t the way to go about it. Though I guess if they aren’t going to play them, trade them before you choke them. Sutter could skate on 3rd and 4th lines for half the teams in the NHL. Boychuck, while tiny is one of the fastest dudes I have ever watched. dalpe, et al. We got a great list of up and comers. I think it’s assinine to hang to brindy if he doesn’t get back in the saddle, captain or not, he’s got to play. I dunno, here’s where JR usually pisses off several fans and pleases several. I’ve been dreading this last tweak for months. I think a Ruutu 3yr deal is crucial and I would work on cleaning up the messy veterans we have. brindy has to carry his weight, wallin and kaberle have to be dealt with. Eaves, seids, babchuck need to find out where they need to be. I also would like to see Graham go and the youngun come up, can’t be much worse off…
Anyway, getting anxious. Come on October!!
A
P6 I sure have missed your negativity and backhanded comments about Staal and Brindy!
I also would like to see Graham go and the youngun come up, can’t be much worse off…really Grahame?
I think it'd be asanine to spend Brind'Amour's contract...
If he’s not on our roster. Sometimes with veterans, you have to take a big cap hit and recognize they’re bringing you more than just numbers on the stat sheet.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The more he plays hockey… the prettier he gets. He said so himself. haha
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 23, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m curious what your expectations are for Sutter. I don’t dismiss his value as a checker and defensive stalwart, but I think expecting more than 15, maybe 20, goals (and 40ish points) out of him is too much. Nick Dodge could develop into a similarly capable defensive forward (a tick below, but no slouch) and you could get a return on Sutter’s value. I’m not suggesting Sutter be dealed for a rental — we’re talking an elite defensive d-man, one of the best in the game.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 23, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It's much easier...
To deal players with limited upside like Sutter. He’s probably never going to be an All-Star or even contend for the honor. I just never see him playing well enough that we’d regret a trade that gave him away. Now if we didn’t come back with something worthwhile, that’d be another matter, but Sutter’s always struck me as a meh kind of prospect. His great strength was that he was going to be ready quickly, but if you’re ready to clam a mantle of mediocrity in a hurry, what good is that, really?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 23, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
NO way I would give up Sutter (way to much upside) an a 3rd rounder; however I would an do like the idea of bring A.Ward back to the club in a str8 up deal.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jul 22, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
Great article Bubba and Cory! Hopefully, JR will provide us with some detailed information in the near future.
by PittsburghCaniac on Jul 23, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions
another return?
what about maybe bringing Jack Johnson back?
No. He didn’t want to be here to begin with. Plus, I think this organization has had enough of players being represented by their fathers.
Yeah, I hope Johnson is having fun playing for the Kings.
Legend in his own mind.
by James The Aussie on Jul 23, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Headed out of town thru the weekend – with no internet (gulp!). Please make sure Ruutu isn’t traded while I’m gone. Otherwise, I have faith you all can hold the franchise together for a few days. Keep up the good work!
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
Have you left yet?
Eklund is reporting that the Canes have re-signed Ruutu!!! That would just be too cruel if it were to happen right after you leave town.
why didnt you got on vacation sooner!!!! =)
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 23, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense to Patrick Eaves, but what does Boston gain in a trade for him? The guy’s an established sub-20 goal scorer, which does nothing to replace Kessel if he leaves. Boston’s got several first-round draft picks tooling around in Providence, waiting for their shot, who would be both cheaper and probably more effective than Eaves if they were called up.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jul 23, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
Wait a minute...
How does a guy who scored 20 goals in 58 games as a 21-year-old qualify as an “established sub-20 goal scorer?” Further, Eaves brings much more to the table than scoring. He’s a very capable PK guy and will establish a forecheck at any time.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 23, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
A minute? More like 4 years
He did that in 2006 on an offensive-minded Ottawa team that won the conference. Since then he’s put up 14 goals in 73 games, then missed almost 2 whole seasons, then put up 6 in 74. I don’t think that Boston will expect, in any way shape or form, to get more than 20 goals out of this guy which means he is no more valuable to them than just bringing up a prospect.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jul 24, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
OK.
Well feel free to let us know how that works out. You must be doing something right to be an every-night player for a conference finalist. Ya’ll didn’t have many of those on your team this year, huh?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 24, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
What can I say… it’s a terrible trade for Boston. One that wouldn’t have been made if not for the Kessel situation. This is the first time in Chiarelli’s term as GM that I’d say he really screwed the pooch. Congrats on the fleecing.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jul 24, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The upside, of course, is that this means a deal with Kessel is around the corner. It’ll be a celebrated deal for that reason alone.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jul 24, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Could not agree with you more
Eaves isn’t a bad player. He needs a chance. He plays well with talent and I think Boston has enough talent to pair with Eaves. That said, it is a whole on your blue line.
The consensus is that Johnny Boychuk (AHL defenseman of the year in ‘09) is now ready to step up and be an NHL’er. That might be true, though I’m not crazy about putting him under that kind of pressure with no Plan B.
Where Carolina really wins this trade is in the fact that Ward is a character guy who is used to a leadership role. Players like that don’t grow on trees. Players like Eaves, on the other hand, are like weeds you have to beat back out of your organization. Unless he does something Masterton-worthy, he and the pick are both throwaway items in a salary-dump trade. And that is the kind of thing that catches up with a team sooner or later.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jul 24, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, you're totally right.
Most teams do have to beat first-round picks of their organization. And that’s a hell of a salary dump for you, given you actually added $600K in salary obligations.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 24, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
They took on extra salary but spread it out over years. Not to mention, that Eaves will get bought out for 2/3 of the remaining 3 million on his deal, so really the obligation is only for 2 million over 4 years as opposed to 2.5 million next year. Further add to it that Eaves cap hit will be about 550K as opposed to Wards 2.5 million and Boston just freed up 2 million dollars in cap space.
Being a 29th overall pick means almost nothing in the NHL. It’s not like football where you’re drafting stars at the end of the first round. For comparison’s sake, look at the guys who were drafted 29th in the two years before and after Eaves: Adam Munro, Hannu Toivonen, Mike Green, Steve Downie. That’s one star and four flops.
It says a lot that Boston didn’t even wait for this guy to touch the ice before they waived him. Again, congrats on getting something for less than nothing.
by bostonblueline.blogspot.com on Jul 24, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ruutu Re-signs according to Eklund (e5)
No details or confirmation from elsewhere. This could be the first domino in the trade for a d-man. Now that Ruutu’s salary is set JR and PK know what the payroll will be next year. Makes me wonder if the desire is to have something done at Friday’s Fanfest. Could be great buzz.
I will be a happy camper if we avoided arbitration, yet again.
Hope to hear more on this soon.
by Iggy Reilly on Jul 23, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
3, 4 and 4.4 a year for a cap hit of 3.8. Brings the payroll for next season up to 50.7 million. Buying out Frank would take that down to 49.2. Not a lot of room for a d-man and get in around 50 million.
Hell of a deal I think. I am excited.
hockeymom needs to leave town again when trade rumors start heating up.
by Iggy Reilly on Jul 23, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a day late.
I have the last Canes game with Calgary last season on my DVR. Ouf of curiosity. I’m going to watch this dude Regehr. I don’t agree with trading Sutter for anyone right now. He needs a year in Albany and next season with the Canes. We need to be trying to secure our future as well as the present IMO. You deal away Sutter and he becomes another team’s top forward we will be scratching our heads saying "what the hell were we thinking?. Just like I’m sure some are doing about trading away Pronger.
C
What would possibly lead you to belive that Sutter will ever become any team's top forward?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 23, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
what leads you to think he wont?
Stats from a PARTIAL rookie year?
Obviously Sutter is more of a defensive forward… and the league is pulling away form that- BUT teams like NJ have stuck the the defensive side of the game, and I could see a guy like Sutter becoming a first line forward on a team that plays the trap style offense like NJ has the past few years.
Sutter lit up the minors… he had a slow offensive start in the NHL, but he was used more as a defensive player in the NHL then in the minors. That is on the coaching. Sutter could be VERY good or just mediocre. There is no proof in the pudding either way yet to make such a bold assumption that he can not be a top forward.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 24, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
12 points in 22 games as an AHL top-line player is “tearing it up?” He certainly wasn’t establishing a ton of value as a defensively gifted player; +2 is nothing special. Again, I don’t think the guy can’t be a 30-40 point scorer who plays in the positive, but I certainly don’t want that player on the top line for MY team.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 24, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
when did he play 12 games in the AHL?
How about 59pts in 03-04 in 35 games?
How about 67pts in 05-07 in 71 games?
If that isnt tearing it up… I dont know what is.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea where YOUR stats come from...
But let’s look at his actual stats outside of the NHL since ‘04-’05 (since I’m not sure which year ‘05-’07 is supposed to be:
‘08-’09: Albany (AHL)-12 pts in 22 games
‘07-’08: Albany (AHL)-2 pts in 7 games; Red Deer (WHL)-49 pts in 59 games
‘06-’07: Red Deer-57 pts in 71 games
‘05-’06: 46 pts in 68 games
‘04-’05: 2 pts in 7 games
Sorry, but to tear it up in major juniors, you need to be scoring a point a game at some point in your career. Hell, Chad did that, and he didn’t exactly get picked #11 in the draft.
Also, let’s note this scouting report on him from sportsnet
Flaws
The jury is still out on his scoring potential, and he may be limited to checking-line duties at the highest level.
Career potential
Third line center.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
it was 06-07… and I missed 57 for 67. excuse the typo. I guess your perfect?
That is one scouting report. Too each his own.
I like the guy. You dont. No need to argue it any further. Only time will tell who is right.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 24, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
you really do look to much into stats. They are useful when you have a body of work to look at(even then not so much of you think about playing through injuries and human kinds natural slump form time to time) but when your looking at 50 games of a rookie season with a coaching change in the middle- you can not make assumptions off of tilted stats.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 24, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, man...
I watched the games. And he looked overmatched almost every time he stepped out on the ice.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 24, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
you think what you want… but I watched every game that was on FSN/at the RBC/ or on VS last year as well. To say he flopped is just absurd.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say JR is god for making that trade work without a prospect attached.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 24, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, they're certainly gettting a chance for two young players who could become something.
And they drop salary for this season, which was a concern of theirs.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 24, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Eaves was worthless? ; )
I know they are gonna try to waive him… but he surely was not worthless to us. He will surface in the NHL again. Never be great… but he will catch on somewhere.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 24, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I said he wouldn't fetch us anything on the market...
And, to be technical, he didn’t. They would have taken most anybody as long as they could clear out Ward’s salary.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 24, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
to be ‘technical’ get got us AARON WARD.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 25, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
Our willingness to take on his contract got us Aaron Ward.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 25, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Think of it however you want bro…
No one is wrong or right in this argument.
We gained, and so did they. We got what we wanted, they got what they wanted. But however you look at it… Eaves got us Aaron Ward. That is a bit more then nothing “on the market”
And dont even bring up that 4th round pick that you probably think is so valuable… since he wouldnt be doing anything on the NHL level for AT LEAST 2 years- the Canes are in WIN NOW mode.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 26, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Bubba called it
Adams coming to the ’Canes for Eaves and a 4th round pick
http://hurricanes.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=451293
wow… I like it, even if I am kinda bored with it already.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Well done, sir!
More fun than a stick to the face!
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