Tuomo Ruutu Files for Arbitration
by Bob Harwood Waeghe on Jul 5, 2009 10:15 PM EDT
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TSN is reporting tonight that 20 NHL players, including Carolina Hurricanes winger, Tuomo Ruutu, have filed for salary arbitration. If the Hurricanes and the Finn can not come to an agreement regarding the details of a new contract before a yet to be determined date, a neutral salary arbitrator will decide upon the numbers for both sides.
Last season, Chad LaRose filed for arbitration but still came to an agreement with Rutherford a couple of weeks before the hearing. While Ruutu's filing probably means that a deal is not imminent, it does not necessarily mean that negotiations are at a standstill either. The Hurricanes will probably have something official to say about this tomorrow. Look for Jim Rutherford to make the next move in this chess match.
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http://proicehockey.about.com/od/nhlfreeagents/a/arbitration.htm
Thats a simple understanding of just what arbitration is for those who want a more dumbed down understand. I hope its acurate, and from reading through it, I feel like it is.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 5, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
Between now and the hearing, do we maintain exclusive negotiating rights, or do other teams now have the ability to tender an offer sheet as well?
by LTD on Jul 5, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe that throughout RFA any team can issue an offer sheet…. it’s just that the Hurricanes have the right to either (A) match the offer… or (b) receive compensation (draft picks) for the lost player if an offer is not matched….
For a reference you may look up Jim Rutherfords offer sheet to Serge Federov so many years ago….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Jul 6, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a player files for arbitration, they can not receive offer sheets from other teams.
by DaleCooper on Jul 6, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is it far to say that a player that signs up for arbitration didnt like the offers he has heard from his team yet, but is very interested in staying with said team? It would seem that way if he is going to delay being allowed to speak with other teams for a longer period.
by packpigskinfan25 on Jul 6, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
Arbitration is the only tool, outside of an offer sheet, that RFAs can use for leverage. They can’t walk away and become a free agent later. The owe a certain number of years of service. Arbitration puts the onus back on management to provide a better offer, if for no other reason then to avoid the uncertainty that comes from not controlling the outcome of an arbitration hearing.
I would not be surprised here if the issue was more of length than of dollars. Ruutu may be looking for a one year deal, which he’ll get in arbitration, so he can test the market next year as a UFA. Probably not too smart considering where the cap is likely to be next year, but given the cap space LA has I could see them paying handsomely for Ruutu in the off-season next year.
by C-Leaguer on Jul 6, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t following w/ that…..
I do think that after arbitration has been set (after the hearing) the team can refuse the amount that the arbitrator has set and the player can then take offers from anyone…
I could be wrong…
most likely they will get something done before it goes to arbitration….
Who was the last player to take arbitration to the actual hearing w/ the Hurricanes? Was it O’Neill??? I’m not sure…
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Jul 6, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If no one has answered this by then, I will look this up tomorrow.
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by Bob Harwood Waeghe on Jul 5, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone posted this at LGC:
— WHAT IS AN OFFER SHEET?
An Offer Sheet is simply a Standard player Contract negotiated by the player and a Club which is not the one the one the player is currently a member of. The terms of the offer sheet are agreed to by both parties, and both sides must sign the Offer Sheet for it to be valid.
— WHO CAN GET AN OFFER SHEET?
Any Restricted Free Agent not currently signed to an SPC who has not accepted his qualifying offer, has not filed for arbitration, or has not been taken to arbitration by his Club may be signed to an offer sheet. If a player is going to arbitration, he cannot get signed to an offer sheet by another team.
— WHEN CAN OTHER TEAMS TALK TO RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS?
Starting on June 26 and until the player is signed by his Club, files for arbitration, or is taken to arbitration by his Club, other Clubs may talk to Restricted Free Agents. However … once the player meets one of the three criteria above, he cannot contact other Clubs, nor may other Clubs contact him.
by LTD on Jul 6, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“If a player is going to arbitration, he cannot get signed to an offer sheet by another team.”
That’s some sunshine, I guess. It would appear as though we have plenty of budget space for him. JR said it was 50M, right?
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CAR
by Caniac1026 on Jul 6, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know?
Does the arbiter have the right to set any salary that they think is fair, or do they generally choose either what the player wants or what the team management has offered? I feel like it’s the latter and that this is added pressure for the two parties to come to a deal before arbitration. Can anyone confirm that this is the case?
by CarolinaCanuck on Jul 6, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes and Yes
Yes they have the right to set any salary and yes they do generally choose one sides offer, or at least used to prior to the new CBA. There have been more “split decisions” since the new CBA, but it’s still not a large number of the cases.
Arbitration is a much different subject then it used to be under the new CBA because of the limited number of players who are now eligible for binding arbitration. Only restricted free agents with five years of service are eligible. Since UFA status comes with 7 years of service it’s only a small slice of the players now.
by C-Leaguer on Jul 6, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s going to take Ryane Clowe money to sign Tuomo to a multiyear deal. So four years, $14M range … they’re comparable players (though i think Tuomo’s better).
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 6, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
glove tap to Sticker for this comparison
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 6, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll that deal for length and dollars.
It seems that Ruttu has finally found a home here. And as good as he played last year….who among you doesn’t think he is capable of more?
by Swenksta on Jul 6, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more nuances about arbitration from Puck Daddy’s latest-
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Who-will-survive-the-Arbitration-Wars-if-they-a?urn=nhl,174916#remaining-content
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by Bob Harwood Waeghe on Jul 6, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have total and complete confidence in Rockstar Rutherford to make this happen in the best interest of the Canes and Caniacs. I’m not even going to worry about it or speculate. I bought into his bluff on Rosey, and I’m not going to make that mistake again.
Wake me up when we get someone new signed up for top-4 D.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Jul 6, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not enough money, unless rutuu doesnt sign, or rutherford breaks the money roof
by chrisj on Jul 6, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Irony!
How ironic that in one news conference JR states that Cole and LaRose wasn’t looking too promising for a signing and then stated he didn’t see a problem with getting Rutuu signed.
Geez Louise, get this dude sign, he is a lot of the glue for this team, our #1 hitter. Am I the only one thinking that is why the Pens took him out in the 1st game of our playoff series?
C
by c59 on Jul 6, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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