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The Best Offense is a Good Defense?

Back in December when Paul Maurice was named as replacement coach for Peter Laviolette, a new emphasis was placed on defense.  The coaching change was made just 25 games into the season and the Canes had a 12-11-2 record so far under the previous regime.  But the numbers which probably caught Jim Rutherford's eye the most were the goals for and goals against totals. 

Carolina had scored 65 goals in those 25 games, (2.6 goals average per game), but they allowed 75 goals against, (3.0 goals average per game).  Obviously, the general manager could not allow those trends to continue. 

So in came Maurice on his white horse and his well known defensive philosophies.  As a previous purveyor of the trap, several fans, (as well as this blogger), felt that tightening up the defense too much might take away from the offense.  But in reality, the exact opposite occurred.

Star-divide

The Hurricanes finished up the regular season by scoring 174 goals and allowing 151 in their final 57 games.  They scored an average of 3.1 goals per game and allowed 2.6.  Not only was Maurice able to tighten up the blueline which was job one, somehow he was also able to increase scoring as well. 

Carolina ended up allowing a total of 226 goals for the season, good enough for fourth lowest in the East.

Goals Against 2008-09

  • Boston 196
  • New Jersey 209
  • New York Rangers 218
  • Carolina 226
  • Florida 231
  • Buffalo 234
  • Ottawa 237
  • Philadelphia 238
  • Pittsburgh 239
  • Washington 245

The 226 GA was also the lowest total for the Canes since before the lockout, by far.  They even allowed more goals the year they won the Cup.

Carolina Goals Against:

  • 2005-06 - 260
  • 2006-07 - 253
  • 2007-08 - 249
  • 2008-09 - 226

Some of this improvement can be attributed to the maturation of Cam Ward, but there is no doubt that a change in system helped with the success and the coaching staff should get credit for that.

Now for the bad news. 

While the Hurricanes were able to increase their "goals for" average after Maurice took over, they still only finished 10th best in the East.

Goals For 2008-09:

  • Boston 274
  • Washington  272
  • Pittsburgh 264
  • Philadelphia 264
  • Atlanta 257
  • Buffalo 250
  • Toronto 250
  • Montreal 249
  • New Jersey 244
  • Carolina 239

If Carolina would have scored their average of 3.1 goals per game throughout the entire season, they would have finished with a total GF of 254, good for sixth in the East.  Will they be able to do that next season?

Most everyone seems pretty happy with Jim Rutherford's additions to the team this offseason and expectations are high, but a couple of big questions loom. 

  1. How much can the defense improve after finishing near the top in the East last season?  
  2. Will the Canes be able to improve their offense and where will the goals come from?
  3. Who will take Babchuk's, Seidenberg's, and Kaberle's place on the powerplay?


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Anton Babchuk 72 16 19 35 13 16 9 0 4 1 127 12.6


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Dennis Seidenberg 70 5 25 30 -9 37 2 0 1 0 129 3.9


Anton Babchuk and Dennis Seidenberg's 21 goals and 44 assists have been replaced by Andrew Alberts and Aaron Ward's 4 goals and 22 assists.  And while Babchuk and Seidenberg each averaged more than 2 minutes per game on the powerplay, (2:45 and 2:22 respectively), Alberts and Ward barely registered any powerplay time at all last year.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Andrew Alberts 79 1 12 13 6 61 0 0 0 0 46 2.2


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Aaron Ward 65 3 7 10 16 44 0 1 0 0 53 5.7

The other two newcomers, Tom Kostopoulos and Stephane Yelle are not necessarily big scorers either.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Stephane Yelle 77 7 11 18 6 32 1 0 2 0 72 9.7


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Tom Kostopoulos 78 8 14 22 -1 106 0 1 0 1 121 6.6


The team certainly is bigger, tougher, and more physical than it was last season, but will they be able to score enough goals? 

A few of the forwards can certainly pick up their games.  Rod Brind`Amour, (16), Sergei Samsonov, (16), Erik Cole, (18), Scott Walker, (5), and Jussi Jokinen, (7),  are each capable of more scoring production.  After fine seasons last year, Joni Pitkanen and Joe Corvo will probably both need to improve as well. 

Will Paul Maurice be able to continue working his magic?  Can he utilize Alberts and Ward to sharpen the defense even more, but somehow squeeze additional offense out of the new defensive system?   It will be an interesting season.
 

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I think that part of the approach may be that by adding bigger tougher players who are possibly a little more responsible defensively this may allow for our guys who are expected to score to do so more often….

Not sure how….

Also… I think they are really expecting LaRose and Cole to pick up their production. LaRose has gotten better each season and seems motivated to do so even more….

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Aug 27, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

It seems that over the last couple of years the highest growth in goals has come from trash goals and rebounds. Having a more solid blue line could allow the forwards to stay closer to the other team’s goal for longer, giving us more opportunities to score.
Also a stingier defense generally encourages the other team to devote a higher percentage of their play to offense, allowing more breakaways, 3 0n 2’s, etc.
I really hope that babchuk signs with us again. If he doesn’t I would rank it as a mistake. 6.7% of our goal scoring is definitely worth 3% of our salary usage. (1.5 mil).
On the other hand, we have how many centers on our team? Maybe we will be looking at a f-c-c-f line for power plays.

by EricinSC on Aug 27, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

You need to get over Babchuk

He’s no good for you. There are other fish in the sea.

Seriously though, did you see that Babchuk has a new agent? Chip just had a post on Canes Now. JR no longer has an offer open to him and is hoping for a trade. Anton apparently does want to stay in the NHL.

Maybe he and Seids can get a loft together in Tribeca (if the Rangers have cap room and need D, according to Cory’s post today)…

Do you think Babs fired his agent or the other way around?

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction – I knew that didn’t make sense. It’s Florida who needs D and has money to spend. Duh.

(here’s the link from earlier this week – re: seidenberg)

Well, Babs might really like South Beach…Malkin found that the Russian community is always welcome:

(that’s still PG-13, isn’t it?)

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, nyr made sense to me...

He could get a paycheck that would far exceed the one anyone else is giving him, and then when he played the same or worse no one would be surprised.

I’d like to get over Babchuk, but I can not stand to see us throw away offense without getting some more offense in return. The kid will be good in a couple of years. I just hope he is either with us or the KHL. Also, I hate to see JR make moves based on hard headed business when he knows the player has a strength that we need, I would have liked to keep AWard, I think we would have won enough more to make it to the playoffs in ’08. Some of the moves JR makes are great, some are a little off. He is better than most though.

Is she our agent? – “That’s right geno, have another drink, you don’t need to work out today, you are strong enough. Lets go dancing tonight. Buy me something expensive.” The real reason for the post cup slump.

by EricinSC on Aug 27, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real reason for the post cup slump.

Something tells me young Geno ain’t "slumpin’ " in that photo….(ahem – sorry).

But…..re: your comment about not getting more offense in return for “throwing away” Babchuk – do you beleive the added stay-at-home D (AWard, Andrews) will give the Canes more point production from the more offensively talented Pitkanen and Corvo? I think that’s the hope (and the strategy) in playing tough with Babchuk’s contract. Is it safe to say you’re not buying that…

I highly doubt Babs was going to be able to maintain that little window of offense that we saw in March and April. Maybe I’m wrong, but that spurt (from which the Canes benefitted tremendously) struck me as a flash in the pan that won’t be (and wasn’t) consistent, because it was predictable and therefore easy to defend against.

(this is not new material)

If that’s wrong, then why doesn’t Babs have a nice contract by now?

BTW – no change with his fish. We’re hoping to pick out our new Chad LaRose this weekend. Maybe get a matching Matt Cullen to cover the PK.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am hopeful that ever move we made will work....

but doubtful at the same time. One thing I did not like in the playoffs was the inability to play an effective turtle. We once had a defensive shell we could huddle into that worked, last season we did not. With our new players, I fully expect that we will be able to more effectively protect the goal. But what I hope does not happen is that it just makes us lose our blow out games by one or two less goals, while we still win the same amount of close games.

I hope whoever is playing the blue line shoots more often. For a garbage goal a shot that misses the net is a great pass. Didn’t we have a goal against Tim Thomas that way when he was playing out a bit too far?

Why hasn’t he been traded and signed yet? Inflated ego? Poor decision making skills? Lack of a good currency calculator? A bad agent? Why would another team trade for him? They would have the rights to a player that would not necessarily sign with that team either. And, the kicker, JR knows he will get almost nothing for him, there is no reason he would need to work on a trade for him at all. Especially with teams he is worried about getting into the playoff picture, such as Florida.

and regards to your lower post, imagination is overrated, it often leads to disappointment.

by EricinSC on Aug 28, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

hockeymom! where are u getting pics of my vacation!?!?

by Gillimus on Aug 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this would be Mrs Gillimus looking for lost socks in the tropics?

nice tan.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

’ems nice paragraphs the HMof2!!

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by Paladin6 on Aug 28, 2009 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

THESE

might be the best pictures you have EVER posted!
=)

by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 28, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

As my mother would say – but the girl leaves so little to the imagination.

You’re welcome (I’m a supporter of equal opportunity eye-candy).

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 28, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

36 days 8 hrs 43 min.

I can’t wait till Mo’s first press conference to hear what’s going on between his ears. He really will have an opportunity this year to shine. Already seeing his influence with the pre-season/training camp schedule it seems.

The comments above are right on – I think the new defensive d-men (+ Yelle + TommyK) will allow our forwards to find more opportunities to do what they do best. It will be very interesting to see who and how. (and how often).

Anyone found photos of Ward in action at Oly Camp? I’m still feeling apprehensive about his back.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I think everyone is absolutely right. Pitkanen should benefit from A.Ward as his partner and will be able to open up his offensive game a little bit more without worrying about getting burned at the other end.

And hockeymom, I found a photo of Cam on the second day of camp.

by caniacgirl on Aug 27, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks girlfriend. I like how they minimize it by saying: “back discomfort”. Sounds like surgery is not imminent – but still I’m afraid this is going to nag us all until we see he’s 100% and stays that way.

Wonder who it was that scored on him…

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been reading the chats that CTV Olympics is holding during the live practices. If you want an inside look, they’re worth a read. One of the lines yesterday couldn’t score on Cam, so he must be playing pretty well.

by yeaus on Aug 27, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

No problem. And with the talent that they have at that camp, it could have been anyone. :)

by caniacgirl on Aug 27, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aren’t you the one that told everyone in one of your posts not to panic?

>>>>Let’s not panic just yet. It’s the internet age and we don’t know everything but we know it really fast.

by hotchipsnsalsa on Aug 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep that was me (good memory hot chips!).

I’m looking for evidence that the problem was minor – video would be ideal. For now I’m just trying to wait for something a little more researched and detailed than a twitter feed amped up by repetition. (whether it’s the Canadian journalist who started this or C Alexander telling us Friesen said there’s no problem)

I guess, in the absence of real games to watch, this ‘back thing’ of Ward’s is like a dark cloud (or tropical storm to stay seasonal) out there in the the Atlantic and I can’t tell if it’s going to become a Category V and take out Hatteras Island or just fizzle and drift magically up to Nova Scotia, no harm to anyone…. I guess we won’t know until something happens or doesn’t.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

More on Ward’s back from JR via Chip at CanesNow

excerpt:

Rutherford said Ward was given an MRI after the playoffs and that surgery will not be needed. Nor, he said, should it be a lingering problem.

“We had it checked out and it’s a minor issue,” Rutherford said. “It’s just bad timing this week.”

Does this make anyone feel better? JR also said it was similar to what happened in the playoffs, but it won’t “be a lingering problem”. Ummm.. sounds to me like it already is.

I guess I have to go back to trusting Rutherford to be the GM.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

“A few of the forwards can certainly pick up their games. Rod Brind`Amour, (16), Sergei Samsonov, (16), Erik Cole, (18), Scott Walker, (5), and Jussi Jokinen, (7), are each capable of more scoring production. After fine seasons last year, Joni Pitkanen and Joe Corvo will probably both need to improve as well. "

outta this list I expect Roddy, sammy, and colsey to stay about the same. Scotty Walker may score anywhere from 5-15 times, but I really expect Jussi to score at least 20 goals this coming season. I expect a career year outta him.

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Now we are talking the reality of the situation!!! Great post Bubba! Lesse, who did we not mention? How about the biggest drain on the cap? Yup, Staal. He MUST pick up the pace and begin to lead this team in every aspect. I would also expect Cullen to squeeze a few more out. LaRose is almost maxed out I think. I don’t have any real complaints on his effort or his numbers, he is kinda where I’d expect him. You all know I think Rod will let us down. walker may not have much left in his tank either. Yelle may improve his numbers from last year, but not much. Sammi and Jussi should do better, but again 5-10 goals. So where would we get goals? I think the key got kicked to the curb. Sutter and Boychuck should be in the roster. Nobody can out skate Boychuck on this squad, even if they were in their prime and the kids got good hands. How3 many guys would leave Staal alone to watch that kid streak down the boards? Sutter is another kid that needs to play. Everyone seems to forget that the kid was the OBNLY short handed threat we had while he was here. Cullen and Rosie didn’t get the hang of it until he was gone, musta watched the tape.. sutter also would help on the PK, maybe freeing up somebody for PP minutes. I’m sorry, Yelle was a steal at half a million, but it was a half a million dollat mistake. We need speed and the effort of youth, not sedate veterans that hope they know enough not to get smoked by somebody elses youth. Cullen and Rosie and sammi are all pretty good skaters, but a speed demon like Boychuck makes shit happen. Combine that with some of the more seasoned, albeit slower guys and good things happen. I think Yelle is just a bandaid incase Rod falters. Just like I think Cole is a pacifier for Staal. I feel that is two mistakes the org. has made. the third is not bringing the kids up. Camp is all but a waste, there are no spots available. That means no incentive, no scrimmage, no youth and speed. Remember, Mo didn’t kill the run and gun, JR did. We got nobody with breakaway speed for the runnin’ and fronkly we outgunned.

Now the good news. The team is better on paper than ever before. The players look like they will mesh on and off the ice. we have 2.5 great d pairings and can roll 4 lines, what our first line lacks against an enemy team we will surely make up some of the ground by the time we hit the 4th line. except against maybe Detroit, talk about deep… cam is going to be great I think for many years to come, i would of liked to see Kolzig come in as back up instead of getting Yelle, but hey, that’s me. All in all a good squad.

The question is “are they Cup material”?

I have my doubts, i think the youth would of put us in far better shape to deal out crushing victory after maybe scraping one out. think about it. back to back home games against say Boston. You think Rod, Yelle and Walker will be able to bounce back like a 20 yr old? Gonna be good hockey this year, i think we will have to wait until next year for a real shot if this is the way the org. is gonna play it.

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I had high expectations about this season until I read this post. We are screwed!!!

by hotchipsnsalsa on Aug 27, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t read what you wrote, AP. My vision got blurry – sorry to see you haven’t resolved your paragraphobia quite yet.

I’m sure it’s interesting though.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

“paragraphobia”? man, been called a lot of things in my days, but never been cursed with that before……..

Alas and no cure…..

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

you seem to have seen an awful lot of boychuk. Outside of last years training camp which if I remember correctly he didnt even participate in other than skating drills, plus the 2 or 3 games he played in, is probably about all most of us have seen of him. You though seem to have seen a lot of him, how is that? Also wheres your appreciation for chemistry, even AWard mentions chemistry in the last article about him. He says that no matter what you want to analyze you cant really analyze chemistry unless your in the room. I’ve posted before that the Hurricanes are a chemistry first team. How else do you think were competitive when everyone ALWAYS picks us to suck? Our “no name defense” played really well last year. Players have career years here. Most of our players are other teams throwaways…..Sammy, Whitney, Corvo, Pitkanen, Jussi, etc.. You’re always “detroit this, detroit that”, yet when people talk about the Detroit way it usually means letting your younger players “get more seasoning” in the ahl. I think letting everyone play together for a full year in the ahl will do wonders for their chemistry next year, and I very much like the team we will ice this year.

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, Boychuk could be watched at the World Juniors on NHL Network.

by Cory Lavalette on Aug 27, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure but thats against other juniors. I just have a hard time believing anyones seen enough of Boychuk to be so sure of what he’ll do at the NHL level. I, like everyone else, am sure he’ll be very good and very fast, with great hands and all, but still, hes young. And Im happy with him at the AHL level. I dont see anyone on the roster that I’d get rid of to make room for him this year. I like the way were shaping up for this year and in the future.

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can borrow my list…

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You tube, scouting reports, I also worked for a couple folks in the org. when I was in Raleigh (including your hero Lavi). There is alot out there on all the prospects if you take the time to look.

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do take the time to look. Tons of players look good on YouTube and in scouting reports, yet many of them can never translate their game to the NHL level. He does not need to skip the minors and go straight from juniors to the big show just because his scouting report says he’s real fast, and just because he’s on YouTube blowing by the rest of the Lethbride players and scoring goals on junior level goalies. YouTube and scouting reports are good simply for the draft. You cannot tell me what he’s gonna do against NHL competition until he gets on NHL ice.

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

“until he get’s on NHL ice”

By God you just may be learning…….lemme hold my breath….

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

but I think he should start with AHL ice for at least a year, you know the whole crawl before you walk thing….

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

So give him a 2 way deal bring him and Sutter into the fold and be ready to pasture Rod.

Look, here’s one point we may agree on. Against certain teams, having the kids on the ice would help, may not be the answer, but would help in certain situations.

Look the PP pretty much sucks. Chuck Boychucks ass out there and let him learn, he can’t kill the stats of the PP. The other end is the PK, I think Sutter shined on the PK. Take those shifts and combine them with maybe 2 more 5 0n 5 shifts and you have 4th line minutes. I do not see a reason not to. Combine that with the lack of speed and I think it’s worth a try. Add in the fact that our “Veterans” are of the almost done type, i’d like to see this happen. I firmly believe it will not. Look at Stamkos and you may be able to use him as both sides of the coin. His first year was a rough one. He is going to be a great player. You think he will be better this year due to his first year in the NHL or do you think pulling his pud down in the AHL would of been better?

 You pointed out the Detroit incubator as an example. One, we don’t have the talent those pukes have been harboring, let alone the depth and money to do that. No other team has been able to match that. Maybe Ilitch is a genious, maybe he has more money than sense, but it worked for Detroit. The ‘Canes don’t have triplicate type depth, again, nobody really has. Nobody really needs it, it’s just handy to have. Look how Bayda improved last year. Look how long LaRose took to shine. Nothing is a given except age get’s everyone. I think bringing in Weight and Recchi in 2006 when they did was a wise move for veterans at the right time. I think they screwed the pooch this time around. It may pay off next year, but I would love to see someone that can use Joni’s passing ability to the max, i think Boychuck is the only guy in the pipe line that fast with the hands to work it.

 As for Sutter, I think Freisen should get his ass in gear and get that kid in shape, i think his mind and skills are ready for the NHL. Even as skinny as he is, I think he can play at this level for 80+ games. Not to mention when this team was tickled at 500 he was playing his ass off. I think he earned a valid shot at the roster.

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler brought up a valid point I’d like to expand on – the WHL goalies haven’t been that big a deal the last couple years.

by Caniac1026 on Aug 27, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree with what you say, I just simply prefer letting them have a full year together in the ahl. Maybe I put more emphasis on chemistry, maybe its something else. I understand what your saying, but I think your a little too down on ol brindy than me as well. Dont forget Sutter scored what 1 goal in 50 games last year? I think you forget also that this team we have made it to the ECF’s last year, I think were better than the credit you give. I certainly dont believe that Boychuk is the only player we have that can handle Pitkanens passes! Our vets being the almost done type? Yea for scoring, but in dimished roles i.e. Brindy on 3rd/4th, and Walks on 4th, Yelle on 4th, means that they arent there for scoring. Theres more to a team than scoring goals. I obviously have a little more loyalty to the players than you, as I’d never put Rod to pasture after a 50 pt. campaign, -30 and all. His faceoff value, and overall experience and dedication to this team mean too much to me. You dont see some of the things Brindy brings. I also dont think Boychuks size is quite all there yet. It may be detrimental for his tiny 175 lb frame to try to dance around a guy like Pronger than some junior league dman. Patience P6! I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one, because I personally like the way this is all shaking out.

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, it’s why they play the game!!

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are on two-way deals. All entry-level deals are (unless a junior player still has non-overage eligibility). The team can bring every young guy in Albany — Boychuk, Sutter, Bowman, McBain, ect. — up and down as much as they please this season.

Letting players mature in the AHL is a wise move. Instead of adjusting to two ticks up in speed and skill, they can do it one tick at a time.

I don’t know how ay of us can access the PP w/o having seen it. I think there is a whole at the point (Corvo and Joni are the only D who are accustomed to working back there), but PP’s fluctuate from year to year. So much of it is about confidence and luck.

As for Stamkos, he did not have the option of going to the AHL. He was like Sutter … the only way he could go was on a brief conditioning stint or once his junior team was eliminated for the season. Stamkos benefited from being in the NHL b/c the ice time was there for him. But like we learned with Sutter last year, if you can’t commit to having the kid play legit minutes, it’s not worth having him watch. If you can keep them in junior (and there’s some benefit to them being there), even better b/c then you’re not burning up a year of their entry-level deal.

Would Boychuk get PP time? Probably … but he’d be hard-pressed, IMO, to play top six minutes with the forward corps in place. By being in Albany, he will get the chance to play major minutes with the other young guns in the system, and when they come up they’ll have a familiarity. Look at Washington … it’s worked extremely well for them.

by Cory Lavalette on Aug 27, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

well said cory, very well said.

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

except for all the typos (access vs. assess, whole vs. hole), I thought so ;)

by Cory Lavalette on Aug 27, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least you used paragraphs… HMof2 will probably let you slide.

Cory what you think of the teams speed, or lack there of? I didn’t know Boychuck had the two way, what about Dalpe?

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by Paladin6 on Aug 28, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Staal has some of the best breakaway speed in the game. If I remember correctly he won the fastest skater comp one all star weekend. Might be wron on that. Sutter (the elder former nj coach) spent the entire series trying to contain staals trademark streak down the wing. What happens the one time madden wasn’t hangig all over him? Series over.

 Anyways, I haven’t had time to absorb your latest post yet but I knew one sentence in who it had to be haha.

by Iggy Reilly on Aug 27, 2009 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

“You think Rod, Yelle and Walker will be able to bounce back like a 20 yr old?”

so basically we should get rid of all our grit, leadership, and veteran presence in our forward lines, for inexperienced, 19 and 20 year olds, who havent even finished growing? Maybe Dougie Weight will take them all out, and then we’d have to call up people like Jerome Samson, and Mike Angelidis. Your bounce back theory may be a little flawed, while no Rod, Yelle, and Walker do not have the energy to bounce back, many of the young kids probably dont have the mature mind set to be able to handle bad nights. Young kids dont have the experience it takes to be able to handle the highs and lows of a full 82 game NHL season. You need young talent but you must have the anchors that hold the team together. Look at Chicago, they’ve had star youth on their team at all positions, and it took them like 3 years to come together and accomplish something, and hey look at Kane! Who in the locker room is gonna have a sit down with him? Toews? Yea right, our guys know that if they did something that stupid they’d have Brindy, Walks, etc. to answer to.

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and yes, with Rods conditioning I believe he’ll be bouncing back like a 20 yr old for the rest of his life!

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chalk that up with the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause. If that’s all the “Grit, leadership and veteran presence” we have then throw in the towel. Yelle has never played with anyone here, he’s got a way to go before he finds his stride, hopefully he isn’t in depends by then. rod was great player, i hope your right, but believe you are wrong, he’s on his way to a suit. Walker and Sutter were the only grit this team had the first couple dozen games last year. I sure thought there was a pick up or two for just that thing this year…hmmm?

The fact is ALL hockey players begin to drop off by the mid 30’s. Believe what you want, but the truth is coming home to roost, just ask Rod. He said so himself after the knee. “I don’t heel as quick as I used to”.

It’s not a bad thing unless you ignore it, think Stevie Y.

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sutter = Grit?

Are you nuts? Effort does not = grit. The kid was playing his ass off and I love him, but he must’ve left his grit in the 5th row after that hit from Doug Weight.

by Iggy Reilly on Aug 27, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda my point Iggy he and Walker were it.

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not gonna try and contend that the Canes were one of the toughest teams in the NHL last year, we all are probably willing to admit that wasn’t the case. Definitely a little soft at times.

Maybe just reconsider what a “gritty” player can be. How many games has Staal missed in his career?

by Iggy Reilly on Aug 27, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brind’Amour looked impressive to me at Rec Zone on Tuesday….

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Aug 27, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking Rod’s going to do everything humanly possible to prove his nay-sayers wrong this season. It will either be inspiring or embarrassing. But he will bring it all to the ice.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have faith in Rod. With the D we have in place, and the change in systems (lavi to mo), I think well definitely see his +/- go back up to at least average, and I think the scoring will continue. For what its worth I think last year was a kind of fluke, and I think Rod still has a couple good years left.

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look for Brindy and Walker to have solid years, barring injury. I know, that’s a big if, but I believe they’re both motivated to quell any rumors about their demise. The Canes top 3 lines will be aggressive and dynamic, and the improved defense will allow them lots of chances. This team is build to beat the Caps and win the SE.

by Gillimus on Aug 27, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

HMof2 I agree, he will bring all he’s got. I hope you glass half full folks are right, I just don’t see him coming back.

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by Paladin6 on Aug 28, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I missed it, but..

Is there a reason you don’t mention Ruutu and Whitney when talking about forwards who can score? Are you gonna put Ol’ Ray out to pasture too?

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, but ray needs to keep it up. I think he did his job last year as well as Ruumiester.

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by Paladin6 on Aug 27, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorites!

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Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all want the Canes to do well, obviously, but many are putting the cart before the horse. Camp hasn’t started, no preseason games have been played, so there’s no way you can tell how the team will gel. I for one don’t put a lot of stock in preseason games anyway. I don’t think the team won more than 1/2 of their preseason games in 06 when they won the cup.

So let’s all just settle down some and at least wait til camp starts before we start doom and gloom, or the Cup is ours talk.

by kcljar on Aug 27, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Off topic but does anyone know if theres anyway we can watch the Traverse City tourny? Maybe on one of those crazy internet tv things?

by TylerA7707 on Aug 27, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

hardly off topic :-)
I’ve emailed people at the tourny and NHL Network. I’ll update if I get any word. Would be a nice touch if FSN picked up a couple games.

by Caniac1026 on Aug 27, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

bah!

Thank you for your email. No, the NHL Network will not be covering the Traverse City Tournament.

Thanks,
NHL TV

NHL Network <tv@nhl.com>

by Caniac1026 on Aug 27, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a big no from the Tourny coordinator

by Caniac1026 on Aug 27, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for trying…

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Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year FSN Detroit broadcast it, available on Direct TV and Dish. I will look into this more.

GM of CanesCountry.com

by Bob Wage on Aug 27, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

JR on the radio Friday.

for those who are still resisting Twitter, the Canes just beeped that JRutherford will be on 850 the Buzz at 3:25 Friday afternoon. You can stream it from their website.

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Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Received any cool tweets from CanesVision?

by hotchipsnsalsa on Aug 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. I’m limiting it to Bubba, the Hurricanes (which will mention if new online videos are available – like this week it was E Staal in Calgary), ice_chip, and my best friend from college….

Some days are better than others.

What is Canes Vision up to?

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Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goal Expectations

Here are some goal expectations that these players should have this upcoming season. Of course injuries, trades, call-ups are all going to have an effect on the totals. If we can get to the 250/260 GF range and stay around the 220/230 GA range, we should have a successful season.
Staal – 35 to 40
Ruutu – 25 to 30
Whitney – 22 to 26
Cole – 20 to 25
Cullen – 20 to 25
Samsonov – 18 to 22
LaRose – 17 to 22
Jokinen – 17 to 22
Brind’Amour – 15 to 20
Walker – 4 to 8
Kostopolous – 4 to 8
Yelle – 3 to 6
Corvo – 10 to 15
Pitkanen – 10 to 15
Ward – 3 to 7
Wallin – 2 to 4
Gleason – 1 to 3
Alberts – 1 to 3
TOTAL – 229 to 301

by PackPride17 on Aug 27, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

This is cool. Simple but makes a point. I have no idea how these numbers will hold, but I like having the list in hand to see if players are meeting our expectations.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 27, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goal Expectations II and Sundries

You broke the goal scoring down further than I would ever attempt to, PackPride17, and while I don’t disagree with your expectations, I do believe that we have 8 players who can legitimately score 20 goals or more this season and Staahl should be able to put up the numbers you are projecting. My points breakdowns were more based on the following:

Whitney-Staahl-Cole 90-100 goals
Ruutu-Cullen-LaRose 75-85 goals
Samsonov-Brind’Amour-Jokinen 65-75 goals
Walker-Yelle-Kostopolous 20-40 goals

The fourth line goals are inconsequential to me in the grand scheme of things. I would hope that they would be able to maintain a low negative in the (+/-) rating against other teams’ top or second lines. And before you say anything about not having the last change on away games, Paladin6, how hard will it be to put our our fourth line AFTER the Jordan Staahl line has been on the ice and be able to match it up against either the Crosby or Malkin line? I don’t expect them to play more than 10 minutes for the entire game, but it should give our first and/or second lines fresher legs against our opponents in the third period, and in a close game, that could be the difference.

And Paladin6, you and I are going to be disagreeing in almost every post from now until well into the season about Rod Brind’Amour when one of us will have been proven to be wrong. I think Brind’Amour will be fully recovered from the injury suffered back in 2008 and capable of performing well as a third-line center. Most of his high negatives in the plus/minus statistic were earned early last season when he was trying to play injured as a second-line center. But, if he is winning most of his face offs and playing on the third line, I see all three members of that line scoring 20-25 goals easily.

In looking back at our Power Play for last year, we were not as bad as everyone here seems to detail. We were just under the average for the league. Now, for a team with aspirations to make another deep playoff run, that is not good enough. But, I will admit that I am not intelligent enough about how to improve it. But, it appears that after Ron Francis took a role behind the bench, our Power Play improved. Hopefully, they can keep working on it and make it better.

In regard to our defense and the Penalty Kill, we were the least penalized team last year and I hope we hold to that discipline. Given that we have added players who should be able to strengthen and improve our Penalty Kill, if we’re not on it much and we kill them at better than the league average, that should not be as big a concern for us. And everyone does agree that—on paper at least—we have improved the defensive corps in regards to being able to shut down other teams in five-on-five situations.

Last year we significantly won more one-goal games than we lost. Given an improved defense and hopefully a complete strong season by Cam Ward, I think it is probable that we will be able to contest for the division championship and perhaps enjoy another long playoff run.

by ncdavid on Aug 27, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

1 goal games

Just a quick comment on us significantly winning more one-goal games than we lost…I’m sure we won more, but not so sure about that number being to large. Think about how many times the Canes DIDN’T score an empty net goal to make it a 2 goal lead (I can’t be alone in this observation) and then think about how many times opponents DID score ENs against us.

I dont know what it is, but it just seems like the canes never score EN goals, yet everyone does against us. I guess we need Malik’s length-of-the-ice EN goals

by mariokohler on Aug 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree and what about breakaways for and against?

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by Paladin6 on Aug 28, 2009 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

We should do better vs breakaways with the new D compared to Babchuk….. He coughed up so many turnovers at the blueline.

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Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 28, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

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