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Canes Country Exit Analysis: Joni Pitkanen

Photo from LTD's site

Joni Pitkanen is one of those players many fans disagree about.  After a game, some will say he played very well, while others think he did not.  There is no arguing about his skating ability and skill, but his stride is so effortless that it can give the impression that he is barely trying. 

The defenseman led the team in average time on ice during the regular season and really picked up his game in the playoffs.  While he did not score a goal, he had some huge assists and played a near perfect game seven against New Jersey as he assisted Jussi Jokinen for the game-tying goal.  He plays in all situations, the penalty kill, powerplay, and at even strength.

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Joni Pitkanen

#25 / Defenseman / Carolina Hurricanes

6-3

200

Sep 19, 1983



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Pitkanen was originally drafted by Philadelphia with the fourth overall pick in the 2002 draft.  The Flyers traded him to Edmonton before the 2007-08 campaign and of course the Hurricanes acquired him from the Oilers when they traded Erik Cole up north last summer. 

After a slow start, the blueliner had a decent season statistically and greatly improved as the season went on.  He missed 11 games due to a couple of different injuries during the year.

The Good:  Pitkanen is creative with the puck and is good at making passes in the offensive zone.  He is also very good at skating the puck out of his own end.  He was successful playing in different pairing situations and helped to make both Anton Babchuk and Dennis Seidenberg better players as they both enjoyed their best seasons while matched up with Joni.  While he takes chances on offense, he is very good at recovering and breaking up odd man rushes the other way.  He handles his heavy workload of ice time well and does not seem to tire, even when called upon to play more.  (30 plus minutes of TOI in OT against the Devils).  The Finn seems to be coming of age and if he can continue to improve, could turn into one of the most under-rated defensemen in the league.

The Bad:  Like many players, Pitkanen can be inconsistent.  Sometimes it seems like he is not concentrating, or is not totally into a game.  For some of the season he was soft in front of his net, but he did improve upon that later in the year and in the playoffs.  He could still probably stand to be more physical.  The Finn admits that he always looks for the pass first, so he probably needs to shoot the puck more often and that most likely will be emphasized this year with Babchuk gone. 

The Money:  The defenseman is in the second year of a three year deal which averages four million per year. That makes him the highest paid blueliner on the team.     

Poll
What grade would you give Joni Pitkanen for his preformance last season?
A
118 votes
B
192 votes
C
15 votes
D
3 votes
F
4 votes

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Solid B

The issue for me from giving him an “A” is his anger and penchant for taking that “extra-hit” after the refs are there.

I like that he’s there and lets the other side knows he doesn’t back down, but at the same time he needs to control his anger a bit more.

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting..........

Most people here seem to think he has no fire……I think he is nasty when really needed and cool most of the time. He is a play maker.

by KenRab on Aug 6, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is not about "fire"

it is about taking liberties at a time when the ref is right there watching.

I think otherwise he is calm and collected but has flashes of nastiness.

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 6, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It can be both but in most cases

I’d say it’s bordering on “lack of wisdom” as I don’t think he’s stupid.

His adrenaline gets pumped up and he doesn’t think clearly when he cross-checks in the back of an opponent after the whistle blew or the ref was right there. He needs to control that and then he’ll get the “A” from me.

He’s a good solid all-around player who has that one thing, IMHO, to be one of the elites.

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 6, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

B (for the money)

This is one player who will benefit the most from the additions JR has made the last month. I expect great things from this guy in the upcoming season. I could see how Aaron Ward and Joni could be magic. 57 days, 7 hrs 48 min.

Question: He also seems to be perceived as the top D on the Canes when I read external-source stories. Is that because they use our salary chart to make that call? Is he truly our best defenseman? (goes back to the discussion of who you want on the ice in OT of a game 7….? – he and Gleason sure were a memorable pairing in NJ)

Let's go Canes!
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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 6, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

As PPfan said, I think he is our best overall defenseman as his salary would indicate. Usually a coach will put his very best on the ice with the game on the line, and he was out there more often than not late in games during the playoffs.

Now having said that, there are certain things that Gleason and Corvo do better.

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by Bob Wage on Aug 6, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

For all the (appropriate) talk of his offensive acumen, I hope we get to see a lot more of this too:

(I haven’t figured out who that is grimacing in the black and gold.)

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 6, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can mix Joe Corvo

with Jose Cuervo in song lyrics!

To the tune of “No way Jose Cuervo”

It’s a go, Joe Corvo
You’ve got a great
point shot amigo

You’re out do to it again
put that black puck on in

etc…..

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 6, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

hockeymom answer

At his best, Corvo seems to have so much more energy, speed and agility than Joni when required to out-maneuver a speedy forward. Real or perception? I don’t have clips (paranoid after the day with F&B?), but he seems more likely to use his whole body throwing himself on the ice to block the shot, mess with the accelerating forward, or get involved in the play. More of a pest, than a wall. Different and complementary style.

And, he wears his heart on his sleeve and that always works for me.

I think Joni is great (hakkaa paalle!), but he’s a bit elusive. That’s why I like LTD’s photo to give me a better glimpse. The comments below about his overcoming the comparisons to Cole below are right-on. Season #2 in Raleigh will be much better.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 6, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he is!!!!!!!!!!!!

The guy is money with the puck. He is so smooth, the other teams just watch him skate around. I have never seen a defenseman skate like that. He is never rushed with the puck. His puck handling abilities alone open the ice up for the forwards just because he waits so long to make his passes. He is an awesome player to watch. He is worth the price of admission to me. Gleason makes bad puck possession mistakes. He is consistent with those errors. With the addition of Ward, Gleason is only the fourth best we have behind Pitkanen, Corvo, and Ward. I cannot concieve of anyone giving his effort this year anything less than an A. Unless one is looking at hitting ability as the criteria. Give me a guy who moves the puck like that and he is worth 2 stay at home guys.

by KenRab on Aug 6, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You cannot possibly say that Gleason is worse than Corvo or Ward.

I’ll take him on a top pairing over them any day.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Gleason is has a higher ceiling

But for large parts of the season last year he didn’t show it. I thought he showed the most significant improvement in play during he playoffs. Think Gleason tries too hard sometimes. Puts too much pressure on himself to be “the Guy” on D. He was really the only consistent shut down guy we had last year. Adding two more stay at home types should take some of the load off his shoulders. Aaron should be a good mentor for him as well.

by SouthernHockeyFan on Aug 12, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I struggled with the B- to C+ rating…

He is our best all around defenseman… and he plays well most of the time… he does not get the credit he deserves from the rest of the league… but I do not really think he plays as hard as he could/should to earn the money he makes.

by packpigskinfan25 on Aug 6, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

There is a difference between playing hard and playing smart......I'll take smart any day of the week.

He doesn’t get hurt………leave the clearing out to the non puck moving guys………..they are expendable.

by KenRab on Aug 6, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Babchuk was the beneficiary of playing with a good partner and PP unit

And once teams paid attention, he was pretty easy to take out of his game. And Joni and Joe should be able to provide enough offense from the back end.

by SouthernHockeyFan on Aug 12, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meant to add – great photo, LTD! We’re lucky to have your shots in the mix.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 6, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks! I love that you all like the photos. I’m always excited to see one of them posted here. Hoping to get out to at least a day of Training Camp to get some shots of the players we don’t see very often.

Regarding Joni, this was so tough for me. I almost gave him an ‘A’ but kind of settled in with a ‘B’ which seems to be where he’s landing. I think one of the issues with Joni is that he’s so smart that sometimes he gives you the impression that he isn’t trying all that hard. For his size he’s a really effortless skater. Tuomo talked about him in his post-season interview (thanks for giving me an excuse to go back and listen to that one LOL) as being a great skater with great hockey sense. I’ll probably butcher this description, but I once read a description of him as skating like a chess player, always thinking one or two moves ahead, which is sometimes why you’d expect him to hit the opposing player but he doesn’t, because he realizes it will take him out of the next play. Anyhow, that kind of makes sense to me. As a spectator I often think he should behave one way then he does something different yet proves me wrong. Don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve also read that he has almost total recall when it comes to breaking down a game afterwards and can remember almost every detail of every shift.

I think having his Finn friends helps him fit well here, and I think he’ll shine with Aaron Ward next year. I see nothing but upside for Joni on our blueline next year.

by Jamie Kellner on Aug 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

My God........your description was perfect.......and you are right.....He is an AAAAAAAAAAAA

Your analysis was right. He plays effortlessly. He does think ahead. He is our best defenseman. He doesn’t hit because he will miss a play. I just don’t get how he is a B.

by KenRab on Aug 6, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That future analysis you mention...

Is one of the things people talk about when explaining Gretzky’s greatness.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went with a B as well for many of the reasons Bubba outlined in the good/bad sections. The inconsistency kills me-he’s either setting up great goals or it’s like he’s not paying attention/trying at all. (Maybe I’ve been jaded by the people who sit around me at games-they’re not his biggest fans.) I personally like that he began to show a little bit of his “nasty side,” as Tripp called it, later in the season. Granted we could do without the foolish penalties that come with that, but he was one of the players that I thought didn’t use their size to their advantage at times and it was good to see that he could bring that part of the game. Like others, I’m excited to see how he’ll do with A. Ward backing him up. October 2 can’t come soon enough!

by caniacgirl on Aug 6, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

If you mean be physical then you’re right, he’s not a physical player and I don’t want him to be at the expense of the team, but that doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate it. I think of it like this, Tim Gleason doesn’t get paid to score goals, but would you turn down a Gleason goal? I know I wouldn’t. I also wouldn’t “mark down” Gleason’s overall performance because he didn’t rack up 30+ points. And I didn’t mark down Pitkanen’s performace because he didn’t lead the team in hits either. His inconsistency, and my belief that he has room to improve, is why I gave him the grade I did. Hopefully I will be able to at the end of next season! :)

by caniacgirl on Aug 6, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gets paid to be a good player.

For his salary, you’ve got to get somebody with a balanced skillset. I’m not saying Pitkanen is this player, but teams can’t afford a guy afraid to play physical on the top pair.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gave Joni a B as well. This was his year to get his feet wet with the team. He seem to adjust better as the season went on. I’m expecting alot better play out of him this season. Hope he doesn’t disappoint me!

Live & Learn

by Cathye on Aug 6, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

C-for lack of disipline at the most critical times of our playoffs. B-Regular Season.

When players make mistakes that was not intentional then you let it roll off your back, If you go back and watch our New Jersey series, Pitkanen caused us critical undisiplined penalties in a PLAYOFF GAME at critical moments that we killed off, but could have easily went the other way and caused a game winning goal for the Devils. If that had happened he would have been the most hated defenseman we ever had. For me that was unforgiveable during a playoff game, but he made up for it some with his long minutes and other good consistancies on the ice. I also remember an interview with Sidenberg at the end of the regular season when he had a great game and he was not put on the ice with Pitkanen that game (but played with Pitkanen the prior game) and made the comment that it made a difference when you played beside another defenseman that you knew where he was suppose to be on the ice and could work together to get the job done. It was a jab to Pitkanen.

Having said that, Pitkanen can be a great player when he sets his mind to it. I hope he will learn from his mistakes and not be the cocky one who thinks he’s above all that. He has the potential to be our greatest defenseman. I would love to give him an A for next season.

by c59 on Aug 6, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

rating joni

A- when i read the comments above, and grades, my reaction is..“give the guy a break, no-
one’s perfect”!! yes, i tend to agree with the gist of your criticisms. reasonable analysis,
but if u believe in marking on a curve, then who’s a better d-man (all-around)? no-one
on our team is his equal, and few other teams have a d-man as good (let alone better).
i know he can improve (and probably will) he’s only “almost 26”- but not many guys play
26 min. a game, and that tells me sumpin!! look out this year, cause i think he’s just
getting his confidence!!

by randycane on Aug 6, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

An A, randy...

Is pretty much perfection. If he’s not reaching that standard, then he doesn’t deserve that grade.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey – I see our “F”-troll has been by! He must be a very bitter young man. Buffalo, Boston or New Jersey, I wonder.

Maybe we should have a fan post with a poll on which fanbase we think is most likely to produce such a silly “poll-troll”.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 6, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

definitely. could be….intriguing….

It’s kinda cute, actually. Helps him feel better, if only for that moment when he clicks “VOTE”.

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 6, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooo, hold on – there’s 2 now. Think they’re working together?

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 6, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has to be Edmonton and Philly working together. ;)

by caniacgirl on Aug 6, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah,

Edmonton isn’t so bad. Philly? Who cares? Besides, isn’t Philly a place where people who can’t handle Jersey go?

My money is on two other team fans.

Our perennial favorites, the “Butter-Knives”, “Banana-Slugs” or “Sabre” fans. The other is my new “most hated”, the “Puns” and what a poor joke they are. So they are “Slug and Pun” fans.

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 6, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice choices. :) I was going with EDM and PHI since they were Pits’ last two teams.

by caniacgirl on Aug 6, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, but these trolls have been by for every other poll too, so I don’t think it’s just a jab at pits, but a more general jab at the canes

by Andrea's evil twin on Aug 7, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree. I think there more than a couple of lurkers who think everyone on the Canes should get an “F”. :-)

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by Bob Wage on Aug 7, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any way you can figure out who or where….?

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 7, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, non members can vote and there is no way of tracking their votes that I am aware of.

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by Bob Wage on Aug 7, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m gonna go with a NJ troll still bitter over the playoff series.

The Boston and Pitt fanbases, like any fanbase, had some trolls, but none as dedicated as the NJ guys this offseason.

by Iggy Reilly on Aug 6, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

My mom is not that bitter

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 9, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I gave him a B

Although I considered Joni the best defenseman on the team last season I think he still hasn’t reached his potential. I’m very optmistic about his partnership with A.Ward and expecting him to have his best NHL season in 09-10.

by outlander_caniac on Aug 6, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I gave Joni a B. He is our best all-around defenseman and he can & should continue to get better. He does frustrate me more than anyone else on this team. Whether it’s his custom bad angle shot from the left corner or the stupid late hits he’s always dishing out. To me he still seems a little uncomfortable with his own abilities. I know it doesn’t sound like it, but I do like him. He’s a good player and eats a lot of minutes for us.

by PackPride17 on Aug 6, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

You are watching different games than I am.

I never saw him take a shift off. He plays smart. He conserves his energy. He is efficient. Please!!!!!!!!!!! People in Edmonton didn’t get it. He was a MAJOR reason for the playoff push. Like top Three on the team…………

by KenRab on Aug 6, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

One man's "energy conservation"

Is another man’s “taking shifts off.” Strikes me I’ve always seen Brindy playing 100% all the time with no regard for his “energy.”

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at his career.

He was playing hurt much of last year. Pitkanen had no such excuse.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 13, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean GGGEEESSS

If you rate him a B and then say he was our best defenseman, aren’t you saying that on average, our defense was a C? To get to that C average, doesn’t that imply that someone is a D or an F? Was our defense in the bottom Third in the league? Who is the D or F guy?

by KenRab on Aug 6, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I would have to agree-for most of the year our defense was a C.

If you think that Ward is an excellent goalie, it is the only way to explain the early season losing. It is what got the coach fired. It is why our offensive players HAVE to play both ways. It is what allowed Malkin to make us look silly in the conference finals. It is why our team +/- is so bad.

by EricinSC on Aug 8, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or, given the limited nature of the straight letter grading system...

You’re saying he was a + ahead of other Bs and still better.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

A

I gave him an A. I would mention what no one else has. He had to start his Hurricane career knowing he was traded for the local semi-God Erik Cole. What that must have been like. The Eye was stocked full of his jerseys and No One bought them. Everthing he did was uber-scrutinized as in “we traded Erik for him?”. He handled it and then some. He was the best d-man on the ice most nights. Nasty side ? Yah sure. I wish Wallin had some of that.

by drifterscape on Aug 6, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Frankly...

I never heard much of that scuttlebutt. My buddies were happy to see Cole gone for somebody who might have had some upside left.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gave him a B. I agree with the points above about replacing Cole and getting better as the season went along. I really think that this coming season will be very good for him — more used to the system, more used to the players around him. 40 pts and +20 should be easily attainable, and will make the Canes that much better. If I was as good at my job as JR has been at his the last couple months, I’d be watching the coming season from a suite!! :)

by Gillimus on Aug 6, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Joni get’s a B from me, you can always count on him to do whatever it takes to win. I like that in a player. Not afraid to stand up to player’s on the other team either. I wish some of our so called super stars felt that way. I am still bitter about the loss to the Penn’s I will always feel like we had a tougher road to the eastern division finals than the woosy Penn’s did.

robert

by BOOBY on Aug 7, 2009 7:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I will continue to say this,

the Puns got the Cup.

I will never say they won it.

I still burn Crysbaby and Muttenhead in effigy every night.

If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?

by lcd2you on Aug 7, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am pleasantly surprised at the positive comments about Joni

I was expecting a lot more negativity based on previous threads on this blog. The comment effortless skater is on point. This reminds me of Eric Dickerson back in the day, he wasn’t the fastest or strongest runner but boy was he smooth. It was said that his stride was so smooth the his shoulder pads didn’t even make a sound as he ran full speed.
It seems to me that offensive defensemen get the most criticism of any player on the ice, except the goalies. This is especially true among the Canes faithful, many of whom would be fine with dressing 6 Wesley clones every night. Pitkanen is NOT another Sandis Ozolinsh. He is an elite skater, especially considering his size, has wonderful vision, is very creative with and w/o the puck, and he makes those on the ice with him better players. Seids and Babchuck both saw their production go way up when paired with him. Like all defensemen he is prone to make a mistake in his own end, this is all the more magnified due to the close proximity to his own goal. Paired with either Ward or Gleason he will be more able to showcase his offensive ability. My biggest beef with him is that he doesn’t shoot the puck enough. Looking back over last season, I think he was our most consistent d-man and one of our most consistent players. He could easily end up as one of the top 5-6 scorers on the team next year if he stays healthy.

by SouthernHockeyFan on Aug 7, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

6 Wesleys?

Sure, I’d take a guy who can put up 25 points and end up in the +/- black.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But would you take 6 of those players at once?

In 13 years of service to our organization Glen was a plus player only 6 years and reached the 25 point plateau only twice. Twice making it to 24 points.

by SouthernHockeyFan on Aug 12, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again...

Looking at the career.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 13, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well finally......someone who sees this guy like I do.

Well said. Yeah, the only thing he could do better is shoot more…….. He will now that AW is back there.

by KenRab on Aug 7, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree: that sound pretty magical.

Argh – What can I do to make the next 56 days and 40 minutes pass more quickly!!!!!!

How do you think he and A-Ward will handle Pronger’s baptism in the Eastern Conference on Oct 2nd? Will they be on the ice together?

Hey – call me clueless – but I see Pronger was drafted (2nd overall, 1993) by the Whalers (I didn’t recognize “HFD” before) and played his first 2 seasons in Hartford before heading west in 95. Was this before PK and JR were in the mix in Connecticut?

Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!

by Carolyn Christians on Aug 7, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

KenRab Joni is one of my favorite players to watch.

It was a joy to watch him improve over the course of the season. I don’t know that his play really changed that much over the course of the year, just that his teammates got used to playing with him more. I recall that after Mo was rehired my Dad was a little miffed, but I kept telling him that Joni and Cam would see tremendous improvements the rest of the year. Lucky guess by me. The confidence that the coaching staff showed in Joni translated into more confident play on his part, that and his teammates began to trust him and know where he was going to be. Man, he plays a ton of minutes…and as I have stated before Mo doesn’t tap Joni on the shoulder for the heck of it! JR is a fricking genius! He tried to trade for Joni back when he was in Philly, missed out and then landed the guy he wanted. For those that complain about his salary, he is payed on par to his play. D-men are going through a time where they are seeing their salaries increase so as to be in line with elite forwards. Heck, I try not to complain about salaries with the Canes since I am a long suffering Oakland Raiders fan! Mad Al loves to pay top dollar for mediocre talent and “scholarship players”

by SouthernHockeyFan on Aug 7, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rutherford............awesome.....

Agreed with all you said. He is just the best Dman we have had here. Everyone used to say that Hedican was so great………….not this cat. I thought he was a turnover machine. Gleason doesn’t make consistently good possession decisions. Aaron Ward will bring more consistency.

Jim Rutherford is a hockey genius. His ability to identify holes in the team and fill them with a proven commodity at a discounted price…………its unbelievable. Damn, glad he is on our side.

by KenRab on Aug 8, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

What difference should your partner make? A good shot is a good shot regardless of the other four on the rink.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not when you get the puck and are open at the point.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 13, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was responding to the following statement:
the only thing he could do better is shoot more

In my observation, I’ve noted that he does not take shots when he should, and assumed the OP was discussing the same problem. The choice of whether to shoot a good shot or not should not be dictated by those on the ice with you at all. If you have a decent shot (as Pitkanen does) and come open, you should take the look.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Aug 13, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is not uncommon to not understand his value.

Just ask the so called experts in Edmonton…………..

by KenRab on Aug 7, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

b

I’d like to see him put up some more points this year, hopefully having a solid D-D-man as a line mate will help with that.

by Caniac1026 on Aug 8, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

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