Carolina makes more cuts, Roster now at 27
by Bob Wage on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT
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PrintAs expected, the Carolina Hurricanes made another round of cuts today and have trimmed their preseason roster down to 27 players. Drayson Bowman, Steven Goertzen, Justin Peters, Bryan Rodney, and Brett Carson were all assigned to Albany this morning.
Carson and Rodney would have to be surprises in this group as both performed very well last season when called upon. Rodney scored last night on the powerplay and has offensive skills the team needs.
The assignments are good news for Jay Harrison and Jamie McBain, the two remaining defensemen fighting for the 7th spot on the blueline.
Now the final roster is starting to take shape.
The forwards on the bubble still in camp are Zach Boychuk, Brandon Sutter, Patrick Dwyer, and Michael Ryan, (who suffered an upper body injury last night). The team can keep 23 players for opening night, but most likely will only need 22.
That total would include the 12 starting forwards, Staal, Cole, Ruutu, Cullen, LaRose, Whitney, Brind'Amour, Samsonov, Jokinen, Yelle, Kostopoulos, and Walker. Tim Conboy has a one way deal and would probably be the extra.
The goalies of course are Leighton and Ward.
The six starting defensemen are Corvo, Gleason, Ward, Pitkanen, Alberts, and Wallin. Jay Harrison seems to have the inside track to be number seven.
That makes a total of 22. The team could also keep Ryan or Dwyer as another extra, but it makes little sense to keep either Boychuk, Sutter, or McBain on press row here in Raleigh when they could be getting valuable experience in Albany.
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There was just an article on ch.com that suggested he was still competing for a roster spot.
In fact, Rutherford suggested that play like he’s shown in camp could actually put him in the top nine. (How’s that for a “fair chance,” Pally?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Good question
If he doesn’t make the team I would hope he understands that he will be up in the NHL sooner rather than later. It wouldn’t be to his benefit to sulk too much if he is sent back down to Albany. Otherwise, he could end up winning The Sulky Award. Sorry, couldn’t resist.
I think these last guys are still around because they are the ones who will be called up first if the big club needs another body.
by hockeythoughts on Sep 22, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
Why should Sutter mope? He was only the best player on the ice last night. Hell, we don’t need youth, talent and speed we got the geritol crew to save the day. First game Boychuck pulled a Brindy and let a breakaway go by for a goal. I thought the team liked that and kept you, Rod’s been doing that for almost 2 yrs now….
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If one of the forwards is nursing an injury and can’t start the season Sutter will be on the team. Or when/if a forward misses games because of an injury I think Sutter will be on the Canes. However, if the entire group of forwards that comprises the new free agent signings and the crew from last year, then I think Sutter is sent down.
Sutter will be good to great at whatever role he takes in the NHL. However, I think that Rutherford et al is anxious to see last year’s team that streaked to the playoffs along with the additions of Ward, Yelle, Kostopulos and Alberts, on the ice. The team that streaked to the playoffs unfortunately did not include Sutter. But I think he will play some this year up on the canes.
by hockeythoughts on Sep 22, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m as big of fan of Sutter as there is, but honestly I would much rather him get the experience in the AHL for a full season, put on some weight and then come up to Raleigh to stay. 3rd/4th line minutes (i.e. 5 TOI a night) aren’t going to do him any good in the long run. Same with Boychuk. Until we see just what the “geritol crew” as you put it can give us this season, I don’t think we can write them off just yet.
So what was Brind'Amour's +/- last night?
Just checking.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Got to be better than his record setting low last year…just telling the truth. Was also less goals than Sutter. As for fair, I still don’t believe it is.
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"Record-setting?"
Which record was that? He didn’t even have the lowest in the league. Also, if that’s your complaint, then why would you laud Sutter’s goal when he finished at 0?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
MP – I saw that on the gamesheet too. :D
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 23, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It ‘s worth reading Chip Alexanders N&O piece (print edition) featuring Michael Ryan this morning. He’s in Sutter’s place – except he’s older with a much shorter horizon. I can see him wishing he could get some LaRose karma to rub off on him…
Ryan, drafted by the Dallas Star in 1999, was traded to the Buffalo Sabres in 2003. After a couple of AHL seasons, he played 19 games for the Sabres in the 2006-2007 season — scoring in his NHL debut — and 46 games the next season.
He has had a taste of the big time, but a taste is not what he wants. Or the perpetual tag “depth player.”
“I’ve been trying to get rid of that for a couple of years now,” Ryan said, smiling. "I’m not 22, 23 years old. I don’t know what more I can do down in the American League.
“I can see if I was 22 years old and they say go down a play a little bit. I’ve already done that and gotten better every year and put up numbers. I’d like to stay in the NHL for a while.”
I don’t think Sutter is feeling quite this “lost” yet.
Related subject: any word on Bayda – is he still in the mis in Pittsburgh?
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
Listening to XM this a.m., I heard his name mentioned in the play-by-play on Gonchar’s goal.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 22, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
since you mention sat. radio, If I got it it’d be only for hockey talk. Is it a good deal or no, XM or Sirius?
XM and Sirius are one company now, but you only get the NHL network with XM, I believe (it was exclusively on XM when the two merged). I really like NHL Home Ice … not huge on the morning show, but Boomer Gordon is excellent and is on all over the place the rest of the day. It just depends if you want to spend on it.
The music stations are great for commercials.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 22, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You are SO efficient! You’ll make someone a good secretary some day…
=D
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
here is what Hooks had to say-
Hey Bob,
Bayda’s been decent — as you advertised: a hard worker, not a tremendous player but certainly no slouch.
He played last night’s game, did OK. But since he’s on a tryout, I’m not sure if “OK” is going to be just enough. Basically Bayda’s fighting for the last roster spot with about 5 or 6 other guys that have a decent shot of getting it….Right now it’s probably too close to call.
I think they said Bayda will play tonight, which is a good sign, only 2 other players played last night and are dressing again tonight. So they’re definitely giving him a long look.
Hooks
GM of CanesCountry.com
Any chance you could use your media connections to put in a good word for him? Maybe send along a clip package or one of his Rhino subs? Anything to give the guy a leg up.
He scored a goal Tuesday night, and Bylsma has apparently been impressed thus far.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Carson and Rodney are surprising to me … they must really be banking on Joni’s return or very impressed with McBain. Harrison, IMO, won’t be the No. 7. Also, don’t rule out Conboy just being the healthy scratch and serving the backup role on both D and F.
I’m surprised Bowman is gone already, but I didn’t expect him to have a legit shot at making it anyway. For me, Dwyer is the frontrunner for a forward spot b/c he doesn’t need huge minutes in the A like Sutter and Boychuk, and Ryan simply isn’t as complete a player. Of course, that again depends on what Conboy’s role is.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 22, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
Carson and Rodney are surprising to me
I was thinking that about Carson and Rodney too. That’s got to be discouraging to Rodney after JR’s comments last year. Now McBain has upstaged him right out of the NCAA? What more does he need to do?
Did you hear Mike M going on last night about sending the young guns to Albany to develop chemistry and get lots of minutes rather than “stunting their growth” with a 4th line/healthy scratch season?…..Sounds like this is unanimous for all “media outlets” – though I heard it hear first.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
If I had to guess, I’d say it might be more about seeing what McBain is capable of playing with the big boys than who is closer to being called up first.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 22, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen him play yet? He wasn’t playing vs Nashville Friday was he?
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He was not.
And Rutherford alluded to what Cory suggested above.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, it's true.
It’s the same in baseball, too. Most teams would rather a young kid play every day and get reps in the minors rather than a game or two a week in the bigs.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
They mentioned McBain on CH.com...
They suggested that him staying had more to do with wanting to see more of him than him actually having a shot at the team. Harrison has been pegged as the leading candidate so far; Mo’s liked him since Toronto, and JR said his play was good in both games.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Sutter
Sutter is talented enough to make this team, but don’t forget he’s only 20 years old. We have a very veteran heavy team and next year the roster will look completely different.
A year in Albany with his future linemates will do Sutter a lot of good. He’ll have time to get his body into better shape, work on his skills and do so without the risks associated with playing in the NHL too young.
We certainly will have injuries this year and Sutter will obviously be the #1 center call up. We are fortunate to have the luxury that we don’t have to rush our young talent into the league and this kid will be really good because of it.
Still not a crook!
by TrickyD26 on Sep 22, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
All of THIS.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Having a good group of young players certainly makes it luxery from a business side of it, however, there is also a fine line with dealing with a players frustrations of not playing in the NHL when they think they are ready. From what I read I think JR and Mo are pretty honest and that has to help out a lot so no one is questioning where they stand and they understand what the ultimate goal of the team is. In a tean environment you have to sacrifice some of the individual wants.
by hotchipsnsalsa on Sep 22, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions
This might just be my feeling, but I think after Sutter got nailed last year by Doug Weight and was knocked out, there was some thinking among management of why rush this kid back if you don’t have to? He’s an outstanding player, but could use a touch more seasoning and experience before he gets fed to the headhunters of the NHL .
GM of CanesCountry.com
And in a totally different way, see Kane, Patrick.
(ie There are a lot ways teenagers need to learn how to behave like men and understand the meaning of the word “consequences” – concussion or mug shots are both pretty tough to recover from.)
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly, I'm not going to be very happy if I'm locked in a cab at 4:00 AM, either.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
A year in Albany with the franchise’s future stars will build chemistry and confidence for Sutter.
Still not a crook!
...just as it did for Staal and Wardo.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Sutter Article on ch.com
Forgive me if this was already posted (gave a cursory look and didn’t see it).
Win-win
No matter where he ends up the team will benefit greatly from this. If Brandon makes the team, the talent level will have increased and we’ll have a veteran center to call up for injuries.
If he doesn’t make the team, then it means our Vets have stepped up to fend him off and should have improved years, giving us a young, eager centerman to call up for injuries.
Still not a crook!
i also a greem and likewise, i dont see sutter being number one on the callup list.
MO seemd to love dwyer when injuries struck.
Sutter wasn’t eligible for a callup last season because he wasn’t with Albany if I’m not mistaken.
Still not a crook!
IIRC, he went to Albany in Feb, shortly after his 20th birthday (not sure they’re related), and played there the rest of the season until becoming a “balck ace” during the playoffs. Does that sound right?
He was here as a 4th liner and/or healthy scratch (or recovering from the concussion) up until then.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s about right. He had to be assigned to Albany on a conditioning assignment because he wasn’t 20 when the season started (that’s actually one of the main reasons why he started out the season in Raleigh-it was either make the big club or go back to junior hockey and management was worried about him playing for such a poor team). Once his junior team’s season finished, he was assigned there permanently. Boychuk went through a similar process IIRC. He stayed with his junior team until they were finished and then joined the Rats.
this is out there...but
murray is talking jarkko rutuu trade
and if sutter earns his spot, what if we send a a couple forwards to ottowa for jarkko,
put whitney up with staal and cole, and put the brothers together…
hm this sounded, better in my head before i started typing it…
Nice to see baby Brooks on the Canes site, Chris!
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, as has become the pattern, this was at Canes Country first. The rest of the bloggers (official or otherwise) are just trying to catch up…..
Extrapolating, Forslund needs to join in here if he wants to be a leader and not a follower. ;-)
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really know what Jarkko would do for us.
He’s a good fourth/third-liner, but we’ve already got plenty of those. Maybe he’s a little cheaper than those two guys combined, but we’d lose Yelle’s faceoff acumen and Cup-winning presence.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If Sutter or Boychuk make it into the top 9, then I see them playing this year at the NHL level. But, I wouldn’t keep either to play on the 4th line or as a healthy scratch.
If Sutter and Boychuk spent all of next year in Albany, I could see our 3rd line next year being the two of them and Bowman. We have something like 7 contracts ending next year, and with one exception, unless the forwards have exceptional years, with this young talent having spent a year developing, I could see us easily cutting lose 3 forwards.
by ncdavid on Sep 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’ll agree that if Sutter (and /or Boychuck) make it, they can’t/shouldn’t be healthy scratches. Ya’ll know I think Sutter should be in, but if he ain’t in a playing roll, keep him down in the AHL. I just think there is a fair bit of fat to be trimmed of this slab of meat. I could see a trade and maybe a doozy on the horizon if Sutter keeps it up and makes everyone believe he is ready. Yelle is a band aid if Rod goes down or peters out. Cole is fodder to get Staal to earn his check, there are some players that could be bundled and traded for a speedy sniper and/or PP assassin.
Be interesting to see where we are and what the roster looks like at Christmas.
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recent past
Interesting piece on Justin Williams in LA from nhl.com
I’d forgotten in the debate on Babchuks pros and cons that it was a Babchuk cannon that broke his hand – something to keep in mind if we’re trying to keep players whole. Might as well let him tear up Russians in an Olympic year.
The cold-shouldered treatment of Williams with this trade is not one of Rutherford’s finer moments.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions
Kopitar/Smyth/Williams sounds like an awesome line.
I really think Anze Kopitar would be as over-hyped as he is under-hyped right now if he played for a more high profile team.
Cold shoulder?
At some point, you can’t keep waiting for a guy to get healthy. That’s just the way things go in this business.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused...
You’re saying that a guy who’s played in 81 games in the last two years is no less healthy than one who played 80 just last year? Sweet logic.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And you stay classy.
Personal attacks are a good distraction from the fact that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Except not.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Talks
Kostopoulos for Jarkko. Sens would be saving money for the same type of player.
Pros : Fins would be happy playing together / Team
Cons : Would confuse Tripp to much LOL
PROS- would cause much more media attention.
CONS- would cause much more NEGATIVE media attention.
Jarkko is an exciting player. He is a hard hitter, and ONE HELL of a pest… unfortunately he is also a far second “scum bag” to Sean Avery.
I would love to see the Ruus teamed up… but T is a 1st/2nd line player- and J is a 4th liner for SURE.
I love the way Jarkko plays, but NOT for MY team. Especially not the Canes. If my team was the Rangers/Ducks/Flyers/Sens this would be a different story.
by packpigskinfan25 on Sep 23, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That makes no sense whatsoever.
I can’t imagine why we’d want to pay more for an older guy whose skillset is more limited. Trading a guy we just locked into a three-year deal also wouldn’t look very good for the ’Canes.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 23, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
As much as it pains me to agree, I do. That trade isn’t the best one I think is out there. A three year lock is very nice. While it also has value in a trade (like Corvo’s) I think it doesn’t make sense in a Kost/Ruu trade.
I also agree that Jaarko isn’t a good fit here. Not the type of physical this team is about.
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