McBain and Sutter Assigned to Albany
by Bob Wage on Sep 27, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
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The Carolina Hurricanes announced today that Jamie McBain and Brandon Sutter had both been assigned to Albany. While they are gone today, there is little doubt they will both be back sometime in the future. Unfortunately for them, the Canes had already filled in all their positions with veteran players and there were no spots open. In other times, things might have been different.
Now it's up to them to use this opportunity to gain valuable experience in the AHL. During the lockout, Eric Staal and Cam Ward both played for a year in the development league and ended up to be better players because of it. Carolina management is counting on Sutter and McBain to do the same.
There are now 23 players in town which is the roster maximum allowed on opening night. The extras still here are Jay Harrison, who has locked up the seventh defenseman spot for now, Tim Conboy, who most likely will be the healthy extra on forward, and Michael Ryan, the versatile speedster who has missed the last two games because of an upper body concern, (concussion?).
Ryan would be the logical choice to stay in Raleigh for the other open spot because he has already been in the AHL for several years and has some NHL experience. Unlike Brandon Sutter, if Ryan does not get much playing time, his development won't suffer.
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No surprise here, I think we all knew after all the off season signings there was no confidence in our young players to move up this year. Nice move JR (that’s being sarcastic).
by canescup on Sep 27, 2009 3:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
There is plenty of confidence.
However, if you have championship aspirations and kids who have barely played professionally, it makes no sense to rush them to the NHL.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sutter and McBain will be great NHL players someday. But it would have been stupid to put them on our roster right now. They just flat out don’t have enough experience to play in the NHL yet. It’s just like the post says: Staal and Ward both played in the development league and it made them much better players. Sutter and McBain just need experience and they’ll get their shot soon.
by tommyboy6286 on Sep 27, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If they need development then they need development….. JR wanted our team to get bigger over the summer…. Sutter lost weight (he was already 50 pounds soaking wet) and Boychuck is a shrimp….
There is no reason for Brandon Sutter to be up in the NHL sitting in the press box every night… which is where he would be if he were up here… it wouldn’t do him any good (except he may gain some weight from eating hot dogs w/ Tripp Tracy) There will be plenty of room for those guys next season….. we have some contracts ending…. no big deal….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
mmm...
I love me a press box hot dog.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen. I guess the best thing is thank god we have depth. The way these guys go down in groups is scary sometimes. That last game in Atl. I thought we lost 4 of ’em. If you can count Wallin as a loss…
Anyway, it was written and all the JR lies, dam lies and statistics were just smoke. They had the line set months ago. I think it’s a shame to get the kids hope up by telling him he has a chance and when the kid is the best player on the ice for most of the tryouts only man on the team to get his name in the top stats and doesn’t get a spot, it’s got to hurt.
BTW, Bob what’s inbetween a rookie and a Veteran? Sutter isn’t a rookie according to NHL.com and obviously not a vet. Poor kid just is lost!!
A
It’s a shame JR teases Sutter that way, Flat out lied to him telling him he has a shot at the team when he knows the starting lineup months ago. I’m sure Sutter would like to play for another team now being strung along, alot teams would be happy to have him at the NHL level. Maybe his dad could pull some strings and get him for the Flames.
That’s been one of my concerns all along. I knew he wassn’t gonna get a fair shake and I don’t want him to get a shitty Bab’s like attitude. I hope he isn’t on that path. I think he likes the org. and the team and he is getting a following. I agree there are teams that would start the kid yesterday. Hell the Canes should of, but spent oo many nickels on other players. That brings up the Flames. You know his Dad would love to get him. The kids a good player with great potential, I could see a juicy trade maybe being dangled. I hope not, I like the kid alot and I think he and Boychuck will pair up well. Once the old geezers finally give up on playing a young mans game and we get the young guys playing, I think we will see more exciting and much faster hockey.
It feels like we are the craps right now, only one line really kicking. Hopeful;l the rest fall into the routine. I have good expectations this year. We BETTER have 4 rolling lines that can be changed up to match an opponents.
We Shall see.
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It feels like we are the craps right now, only one line really kicking.
Actually, all four lines have contributed during the past four games. Just last night alone, we had production from three out of the four-Staal and Whitney (first line), Cullen (2nd line), Yelle and Conboy (4th line) and depending on where Walker was at the time, you could even make a case for the 3rd line as well. That’s not even taking into account our d-men who racked up 6 points in one night. And if your point is that our top line produced more than the other lines, isn’t that what a top line is supposed to do? Especially in preseason hockey?
I understand you like the young guys (I do too) and want them to have a fair chance, but they did. There was no cloak and dagger stuff from JR or the coaching staff. Sutter, Boychuk, et al knew they had to knock someone off the roster in order to win a spot (they even said as much to the media) and, while Sutter came exceptionally close, none of them did. Experience oftentimes wins out over youth. We’re lucky to have the depth that we do so that kids like Sutter aren’t forced to play before they’re ready; those teams that would start him now probably aren’t as lucky. We should also be pleased that the organization believes in putting a winning product on the ice every night so much that they spent the extra money to fix the areas that were lacking last season.
He’s not going to get a poor attitude like Babs because he has his head on straight. And you can sure bet that if he ever did, a whole family of Sutters would be the first to tell him to knock it off. I’m not worried about him at all. He’ll come back next year and step into a top 9 (possibly top 6, depending on how the offseason shakes out) spot and show just how much good the extra playing time did him.
by caniacgirl on Sep 27, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you’re so inclined – check out the RiverRats site and see what kind of numbers our top AHL’er have managed in their pre-season. Way cool.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 27, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Boychuk was certainly feeling the need to make a statement. The previous game had some familar names making a splash as well.
I’m tellin’ ya – a roadtrip to see them play in Norfolk in November for those 2 games might be very worthwhile.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
I feel like the only person fighting the lunatic fringe over here.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been with you all summer on not bringing up “the kids” unless they were capable of being on the 3rd line or higher. As I’ve pointed out before, we have 5 forwards whose contracts end when this season does. Unless those guys play spectacularly, we might only resign Whitney. Then, we could potentially being up Sutter-Boychuk-Bowman as an intact line at once, and they would have chemistry from having played most of this season together.
And as I’ve also mentioned, we will have injuries. We always do. It is a physical game. It will be much better to have them ready by having played 20 minutes a night rather than just sitting in the press box or getting 6-8 minutes a night on our checking line.
I liked what I saw of Sutter. But both you and I have repeatedly pointed out that he only had 1 goal in 50 games last season. That was a substantial tryout, in my opinion.
by ncdavid on Sep 28, 2009 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love your first 'graph.
Given we’ll probably see the young’uns up for 5-10 games each this year (minimum), that and their AHL performance will give them every opportunity they should need to prove themselves on the professional level and earn a spot on the team before the summer and FA signings even begin.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you please stop it
I can’t believe you are actually allowing common sense and well reasoned thought to intrude in this discussion. What a jerk you are. If there’s anything this blog needs it is knee jerk reactions and wild conspiracy theories. That’s why I post.
Can’t you see how young and cute Sutter is? Come on, get with the freaking program here.
My daughters would hate you.
If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?
Shhh.....
I’m on a roll…..
downhill
but look at the speed I’m picking up!
If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?
LOL. I’ll leave you to it then. I’ll even give you a push so to speak-
Sutter should be on team because he’s cute. :)
+1 – I hereby appoint you to the hottie of the week fanshot job, my dear. You may share the love with whomever seems up to the task.
Bury it over there, and I’ll put an “arrow” to it when I can.
Next up: Philadelphia, Boston and TB. Gee, we know who I vote for. (in his debut at the RBC Tuesday, at 6’6" Lightning # 77…)
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 29, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet! I’m not going to get yelled at by the powers that be am I? I hope not, because I have a feeling that I will greatly enjoy my new “job”.
"Teases him?" Please.
If he had been one of our best nine, he could have made the team. He wasn’t.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
How am I ripping the team?
I stated a fact.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think the fact that the Sutter family “knows” hockey will help Brandon understand that this short-term assignment (a year?) will lead to a much better professional payout (15-20 years) -
or
do you think Brandon’s got his head in the clouds and is completely immature and clueless about how the business side of the NHL works…and will mope around at Albany like an adolescent griping about the immediate future, seeing disrespect and deceit where none was intended or offered, and believing that he is the only one who possibly understands how the NHL should be run?
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 27, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he’s feeling the first scenario, lol.
by tommyboy6286 on Sep 27, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
if he is a pro then he will not have his feelings hurt…. Damn man… he’s a hockey player not a cheerleader…. he knows his time will come…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d argue that Rodney got the worst of everyone b/c JR said at one point last he’d probably have to play his way out of a job. The clearly wasn’t the case. That being said, this team went from a low-seeded/out-of-the-playoffs team to an EC finalist, so perhaps the goals changed and the team needs to play for now.
In defense of JR concerning Sutter: Sutter had a good camp, but he didn’t have an Eric Staal as a rookie camp. I think Sutter had to make them realize there’s no way they could move forward without him this year. He did well, but he didn’t blow anyone socks off.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 28, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Great point, Cory.
Rodney didn’t even make it to the last cuts. Then again, comments are made in the present. No way for Rutherford to have known that Harrison would have been signed and so liked by Maurice. And yes, Sutter showed he’s a good player, but also one who has much to learn.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Having a single SH goal in a short preseason as a "top stat" does not make somebody ready to play in the NHL.
Also:
To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in 25 or more NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.
However, a player (like Sutter) can certainly have lost his rookie eligibility without being a veteran. He’s inexperienced, and Just about got his head taken off last year because of it.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen BK.........
It’s sort like when people say things like “well were not ready to get married yet” or " were aren’t ready to have kids yet", who says when someone is ready or not. Sooner or later you got to go for it. Nobody said Sutter was superman or GOD in the preseason, it was the way JR keep acting like he had a chance when he really didn’t. In my opinion I like Boychuks play better than Sutters.
Boychuck was a turnover machine in the game I saw him play…….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's called nerves, he would've worked that out if we played more than 4 preseason games.
But we could only play 4 because our players are “old and don’t need practice”Mo said.
Keeping Boychuck up this season would have been a mistake…. I could see keeping 90 pound Sutter before Boychuck….
Chucky (the new Chucky) needs to learn to be more simple…. He has a lot to learn….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh blow off….. you can’t make a behind the back pass that gets picked and skated down for a goal in your second shift in pre-season and expect it to end well….
Most coaches would bench their veteran guys for boneheaded plays like that…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well…. because I’m not allowed to say the word that I would usually tell you to… ummm…. do…. off…. it’s supposed to be PG-13.
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
y’all need to chill out, we’re all caniacs here. Both sides have very rational points but at the end of the day, JR gets paid a lot of money to do his job so we have to assume he knows how to do it better than we do.
He knows that I’m just screwing around w/ him….. we’re cool.
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The "rational points" of Pal and cc tend to lean towards attacking anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Canescup is actually a friend of mine…. I take his “attack” for what it is…. just CC having a little fun at my expense…
Don’t worry… I’ll take it out on him on the Cornhole board…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 28, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
And because evaluating our AHL roster is a waste of time for our NHL coaching staff.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He had plenty of a chance.
Name the top nine player he outplayed.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I get so sick of hearing people talking out of both sides of their mouths.
Geezus, one week, bloggers are saying the young guys are our future team next season, so we need them on roster on the 4th line this season to be ready to take over next season. Next the same bloggers are saying , oh their too young and not ready and NEVER WERE READY for the NHL, they need to go to Albany. WHICH IS IT? Now we hear there never were any slots for them to start with with all the veteran players. Hey here’s an idea, maybe we should have not signed on so many forwards,saved some salary cap and kept Sidenberg and put Sutter on the roster cheap. An old veteran at the end of his career can be much worse than a new young hungry already proven talented player. There were so many blogs that Sutter & Boychuck were pretty much already on the team along with McBain. Sutter was slated by non-canaic hockey analysts as the best young prospect that was NHL ready this season. Now we ship his ass back to Albany. Hell I wouldn’t blame Sutter if he publically stated that he wanted to get out of the Carolina organization, He was pubically screwed over by JR.
I think JR is a great GM, but as of late he screwed Sutter and this team over. That’s exactly why he only wanted 4 preseason games, he already knew most of these young players that he misled were not going to make the team to start with, so why bother with more preseason games for them to play in. Sutter should be on the roster on the 4th line and fighting for more playing minutes and making the top 3 lines fight to keep their spots from him, not playing in Albany praying for an injured Cane player or the Swine Flu to hit the team.
MP as far as inexperience getting Sutter’s head taken off. was because of a 38 year old ass at the end of his career trying to prove how great he was by knocking a 19 year old rookie’s lights out when he saw his head was down. OOOO wow what a powerful man and hockey player he was. Yes Sutter had his head down, but so did Cullen and many, many veterans who play the game with a momentary lack of judgement with which they pay for. I’ve seen it with veterans just as much as with rookies. You are going on one play on the ice to determine two more seasons in the AHL. Wow your logic astounds me too.
C
A few things...
1- I don’t remember any bloggers saying that the young guys needed to be on the team this season. All I remember is people saying that they were impressive and certainly had shown great improvement since last year and that we were going to have a bright future with them in the system.
2-We only brought in two NHL-level forwards one of whom is a winger and is not taking a spot away from Sutter. Yelle is making 550K in salary this year, Sutter would have made 875K at the NHL level so having him instead wouldn’t have saved us any money, but would have cost us more.
3-Frankly, I would be extremely disappointed in Sutter if he said something like that publicly. He’s 20 years old and while genetics are on his side, he hasn’t done anything to merit making those kinds of statements. When he’s a 12 year veteran with 3 Cup rings, then he can go around making those statements. But not now, and frankly I doubt he ever would; the kid is too smart to sabotage himself like that.
4-JR actually wanted 5 preseason games to get a better look at the prospects. But teams only want to do a home-and-home thing and he couldn’t find anyway willing to play the odd game.
5-Sutter playing 4th line minutes would do him more harm than good. He wouldn’t develop at all and may end up being typecast as a strictly 4th line guy which is far below his potential.
6-I agree with you about the hit-it was stupid and Weight shouldn’t have taken him out like that.
7-It’s only one more season in the AHL. At the end of this season, a lot of contracts expire and it’s expected that Sutter will move up to the NHL.
Brandon Sutter is right where he needs to be…. in the AHL.
Staal and Ward both spent a full season in the AHL and They were better players because of it…. If Sutter stays up w/ the big team he will get more experience hanging out w/ Tripp Tracy than he will get playing hockey….
He needs to be in the AHL where he can play and get ice time…. and I don’t think anyone was pulling his poor little heart strings by making him think he was going to stay up…. he’s a pro… he comes from a family of pros…. he knows the deal…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Name these people.
I didn’t see anyone who said the kids should be up a week ago who has since said they shouldn’t. Sutter was named the best prospect at a tournament full of junior-age players with very little to no professional hockey experience. Sorry if I’m not impressed or surprised when the guy’s got more NHL experience than 90% of those kids have in any level of pro hockey. Further, he was in no way “screwed” by Rutherford. He wasn’t promised a spot in any way. He was told he’d get a chance to compete for a top nine spot. If he couldn’t achieve that (and he didn’t), he didn’t need to waste his (and the organization’s) time, effort, and money by playing once or twice a week. His development would be hindered, and his morale would be no better in not playing at all than it will be in Albany as a player on a scoring line getting 15+ minutes a night (minimum.) Who said anything about “two more seasons” in the AHL? The AHLers right now are not locked their for the rest of the year. In the event of injury or underperformance on the big club, they’ll absolutely have a chance to come up, if and only if they earn it through strong, steady play at the AHL level. I don’t understand how an automatic roster spot on the ‘Canes for Sutter and Boychuk before they’ve proven anything on the professional level would be any less a disservice to the team than making them go earn it.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sutter is better off in the AHL
He’s still just 19. Let him get some serious ice time, let him bond with McBain and Boychuk and the rest of the Rats. Yeah, St Jimmy made it sound like he might make the team when he wouldn’t. Yeah Coach Mo made it sound like there was a spot on the top 9 forwards when there wasn’t. Whatever. It’s a long season, and Sutter is better off with a ton of ice time in Albany instead of 5 minutes a game in Raleigh, as many have said. He’ll be up to cover some injuries, and can you imagine his motivation for 2010-11? The Canes are built to make a run in the playoffs against Pittsburgh or Washington. As much as I appreciate Sutter’s abilities, he doesn’t help us with that scenario.
I appreciate what you are saying Gillimus, but the same thing was said last September about him starting this season.
The same thing was probably said about Staal coming to the team to soon in ‘05 after 1 year in AHL. Nobody, and I mean nobody expected him to come in with a 100 point season and be a major reason this team went to the SC and only being “19 years old”. It just gets old hearing how we have all this young talent ready to take over this team and then hear about how their too young to even make the team. We can’t have it both ways.
I don’t think I would be so bitter about it if all the hoop-la and top stories over at CH.com lead Sutter and his many fans to believe that he was probably slated to make the team this season. I’m sure Sutter is bitter too.
C
Find the direct quote where JR said he was probably slated for the team and I’ll go a lot further in agreeing with you.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 27, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
From the N&O print edition Thursday:
The first line is Chip talking, not JR:
But that plan may change. Sutter has performed so well Rutherford said he’s now in the mix for a top-nine forward spot.
“Does he need to be top-nine to stay here? No,” Rutherford said. “But if he’s not a top-nine and not getting the ice time that he should get, then it would be better to get the ice time [in Albany].”
Does Sutter stack up as a top-nine forward thus far in camp?
“Based on how he’s played, yes,” Rutherford said. “He’s done everything he can do.”
That’s ambiguous at best. High praise, not a promise. And we don’t know what JR said to Brandon directly that would certainly supercede anything your read in the newspapers.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 27, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I would even take it one step farther HM-check out the quote above the one you bolded.
“If he’s not getting the ice time he should get, then it would be better to get the ice time in Albany.”
JR sees that 4th line minutes aren’t right for Sutter and won’t sacrifice his development just for the sake of having him on the roster.
Unfortunately, someone is likely to get injured. He will be back. We have depth.
Depth is something we have really never had before. Sutter will be on the team next year. The team is a good one. Lets see how it plays out.
The same thing was said about him last September…. but last September our team did not have the same depth that it has now…..
Sutter was needed up in Raleigh last year at this time….. we’ll be fine without him here this season….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The other difference between this year and last...
Is that sending him to the AHL was not an option. It was either the ’Canes or his awful junior team. The AHL would absolutely have been the best bet (as it still is), but when choosing between the NHL and the WHL, the choice is clear.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Staal WASN'T a major reason the team won the cup at 19.
He was a major reason they got there at 21, having spent the entire season prior at the AHL level developing his game and gaining confidence. And, no, I don’t think Sutter is bitter. I’d imagine he’s a bigger person than you.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with everything you say Gillimus – except
1- I never understood either Mor Or Uncle Jimmy to say he had a lock on a spot. They said they were impressed and all sort of other glowing statements which the average guy might like to read about himself in the newspaper and feel encouraged that he really was improving as well as he hoped he was and improtatn people were noticing. They also were pretty blunt that it was pretty unlikely. Perhaps Chip or others dressed it up in their interviews with him.
Here’s TTS Paul Branecky on Wednesday (the day Staal was with Parker and Tanya)
Skating with top offensive players like Ray Whitney and Erik Cole was a definite first for Sutter, an up-until-now checking center, but it may not be the last as the Hurricanes continue to evaluate the 20-year-old in his quest to earn a roster spot. General Manager Jim Rutherford said yesterday that a spot amongst the top nine forwards was a possibility for Sutter, making that something to keep an eye on as he plays in one or both of the team’s two remaining exhibition games.
For Head Coach Paul Maurice, Sutter’s first positive impression came earlier this month during the Hurricanes’ victory at the NHL prospects tournament in Traverse City.
"He took the prospects camp seriously, went in and worked hard and showed just a great attitude," said Maurice. "He showed a lot of character, because after you’ve played 50 games in the NHL sometimes you don’t think you need to be there. He didn’t show any of that, which is a real sign of maturity."
Throw in two high-quality preseason games into the mix, and the Hurricanes now have something to think about.
"He played very, very well and was one of the better players on the ice," said Maurice of Sutter’s play in Monday’s Atlanta game, during which he scored a shorthanded goal. "I think that’s fair to say."
2 – Sutter turned 20 on Valentine’s Day…
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 27, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. He’ll be a top 2 centerman next year. Don’t forget that St Jimmy is smarter than all of us combined.
It is our year for sure !!
Man -
This is going to be our year b/c if this was any other team team both Sutter and Mcbain would be on active NHL roster starting.
Let the Road to the Cup begin this Friday nite !!!
GO CANES !!!!!
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Sep 27, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
Hey don't get too Rah Rah there.
Site ownership may get offended. You need to be disiplined and impartial……..So says the blog Gods.
I’m fine with you guys being rah-rah … I clearly said don’t expect the writing to be rah-rah. So get a grip.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 28, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
All the kids are screwed anyway, we will have another cup run and then Corvo, Cullen, Wallin, Whitney and anybody else who is out of contract will get lifetime contracts , no trade clauses, Roddy will get an extention for another 5 years and all our prospects will be dealt for picks and more old talent!
We put the OLD in Old school hockey....
Everyone needs to remember with many OLDER VETS (usually made of glass) there will be many injuries. The River Rats will come bail us out as usual. Two seasons ago they came up and would of got us into the playoffs had Peter not put players coming off IR back in the game near the end of the season. And, for that JR never got over that decision.
Wow
These moves certainly brought forth a lot of emotion. But c’mon!!! Both Boychuk and Sutter will likely get call up time in Raleigh this season and will get the minutes they need in Albany. When they do get called up, they should get ice time in the top 9 and will get the taste and look they deserve. The expiring contracts of other vets will pave the way for their emergence on this team in the coming seasons. I do not think that either player has the Babchukian attitude and will continue to appreciate the stock the team has taken in both of them.
Babchukian - that’s a keeper.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 27, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone watching the Panthers – I’m going to see how ugly it is in Charlotte (or wherever they are tonight)
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
That explains why they were talking about Phoenix just now…Sigh.
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 27, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea my brother is on a plane right now headed to Dallas to be there tommorrow night, his a big Dallas fan.
That new stadium looks absolutely phenomenal ….Are the tickets outrageous $ ???
Let's go Canes!
Hakkaa Paalle!
by hockeymomof2 on Sep 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Unbelievable...
Although the Rangers are letting fans walk from there at $20 a pop, which is still a ripoff.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 28, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
cc was too generous.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Time Machine….. going back to the future…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, I fail to see the reasoning behind some of the outrage here.
When Yelle was signed, that more or less sealed Sutter’s fate. Most could see that two months ago. There was no reason to sign him if they planned to keep Sutter here.
If a year in the AHL helped Staal to score 100 points, why wouldn’t Sutter benefit from a year there as well?
Also, Staal made the team as a rookie when he led the entire NHL in scoring during that pre-season. I believe he had 7 goals. He made it impossible for the team to send him back to juniors. How many goals did Sutter have this pre-season? How many did he have in 50 games last year? (1)
It’s not like the highest scoring player in the league is being sent to Siberia. He has a lot of growing to do. Spending some time being matched up with Bowman and Boychuk will do nothing but help him grow as a player and the Canes will be better for it in the long run.
I think that this is a great thing that the Canes have so much depth that they can afford to send him down for more development. And if there are injuries, or the Canes are losing. He’s a phone call away.
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by Bob Wage on Sep 27, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My point here is not that Sutter is or isn’t ready for NHL it’s more how JR strung him along. Several times I heard JR say Sutter will be on the team this year or he’s playing the best right now, and one time said he had a great chance of making the team. When all along JR and the fans knew he didn’t have a shot.
I don’t think Sutter was strung along….. Damn… they weren’t prom dates. JR is his boss…
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I never heard or read anything where JR said Sutter “will be on the team this year”. If there is such a quote, please bring it out and I will admit that I was wrong.
And strung along? I doubt very much that this came as a shock to Brandon; he’s a smart kid and I’m sure he was more than capable of doing the math that made it very clear him making the team was a long shot.
Here’s JRs quote “we’ll Sutter is going to spend the rest of this year in Albany, this way he will be a better more experienced player for us next year”.
That was also before Pittsburgh had their way with us in the playoffs and we decided that we needed to get BIGGER…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW…. canescup2 ? Did you create a second name so you can argue w/ yourself???
LOL…
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
already said, I didn’t know about canescup(1) or else I would have picked a different name but its takes 20 minutes to change it and I’m jist too damn lazy. (I know your just playing)
lol, it makes everything okay!
LOL…. I just hate that I didn’t think of it before you did…. you would know how funny it is if you knew the original canescup…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So maybe he needs to spend the rest of this year in Albany….. a lot of players spend a lot of time in the AHL….
I wouldn’t let him on our team until he gains about 15 – 20 pounds…. Dang Sutter… Call up A-Rod or Sean Hill and get on some ’roids or something….
(i’m totally kidding…. sort of)
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Link that quote.
Further, “us” can just as easily mean the organization, with which Rutherford is entrusted from top to bottom.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Rutherford NEVER said "Sutter will be on the team."
Stop saying that, it’s wrong.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You did.
Click the up button if you’re not sure.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This, a BILLION TRILLION times over
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Tied Wade Brookbank
Thanks Bob, for pointing out that Sutter scored one (uno)(1) goal in his 50 games. He matched Wade Brookbank. If Sutter’s any better this year he’ll gat a chance to prove it soon enough.
by drifterscape on Sep 28, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Did Staal and Seidneberg make a baby?
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Sep 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh,
I have a very vivid imagination, full of 3-D imagery.
It is very helpful in my job.
But I hate it when I read things like that. The images parade through my head for only a fraction of a second are really terrible.
If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?
Make our last run with the vets this season...
then bring in the youth next year. Hopefully the bus will stay on all four wheels in Albany this year…
Still not a crook!
Ya know right wrong or indifferent ain’t nobody here gonna change opinions or the roster.
for hmof2
So why can’t we all just get along?
or better yet bikini’s and jello at the home opener to settle it!!
A
Yet more unwanted imagery
Can someone talk about small pools, jello and the Storm squad’s <30 year old female members instead?
If money's the root of all evil then why do so many
churches brow beat their members for more?
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