Clicks and Clippings: Plymouth Valiant
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 5:32 PM EST
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With the Carolina Hurricanes between games tonight, practicing at the Karmanos-owned rink in Plymouth, Michigan, I've got just a few links looking back on last night's win in Toronto and a few other stories featuring some familiar faces.
Forslund discusses the state of the Canes with Joe Ovies on 620 the Buzz (this morning) : "It begins and ends with Cam Ward". Otherwise, there's a lot more he wants to see.
Guy Behind the Guy: Plymouth Homecoming - Carolina Hurricanes - Blog Many of those so well-known to us here in Raleigh have been part of the organization in Plymouth. And with Michal Jordan there now, there may be more to come.
Canes Now - Seguin gets look at the future? Seguin, a forward for the OHL's Plymouth Whalers, could be one of the first four or five players selected in the draft. In the NHL Central Scouting midterm rankings, he was rated the No. 2 North American skater behind forward Taylor Hall of the Windsor Spitfires. Who knows, he could be taken by the Carolina Hurricanes.
After the jump, a little more from last night's game, the Hurricanes' players, and a couple looking past our small little corner of the NHL world.
The Hockey News: Top 10: AHL rookie prospects If you're in a hurry, I'll save you the click :
5. Zach Boychuk, C, Albany River Rats (Carolina) Boychuk, 20, is currently up with the big club, but will be sent back to Albany once the Hurricanes get healthy. He is part of a core group being groomed to move up together next season. The 14th pick of the 2008 draft proved himself a potent junior scorer and is currently second in scoring for Albany, a decidedly less-than-potent squad.
Leighton is flying high - The Sarnia Observer - Ontario, CA During his nine-year pro hockey career, Michael Leighton has had to endure his share of "ups and downs". A great interview with the man of the hour in his hometown.
In case you missed it, Chuck Kaiton's conversation with Rod Brind'Amour which aired during last night's game. Like hearing from Aaron Ward in today's Toronto National Post, it's a frank conversation with a veteran who had a tough year. Highly recommended.
Kaiton's conversation with Brian Burke, which included the comments about Tim Gleason's potential standing on the Team USA 2010 Olympic roster will be aired during tomorrow's intermission. Branecky gave us his perspective on the portion relevant to Gleason here.
NHL Top 10: Future Superstars | Bleacher Report The league is going through an exciting time right now with ne w young players with exceptional talent entering every year... A quick slideshow featuring the likely top 10 picks in the 2010 draft.
A little more on last night's game:
National Post (Toronto) Staal's season of hope and heartbreak Take a good hard look at Eric Staal, and even then, it is impossible to guess what he is really thinking. (A story that goes a little further than our local reporters will go.)
Jiri Tlusty assists on game-winner for Hurricanes in return to Toronto - NHL.com - News ...by all accounts, [Tlusty}'s acquitted himself well with the Hurricanes. In seven games with Carolina, the forward has a goal and four assists.
NHL's worst deliver one for the zombies This recap from the National Post includes Aaron's Ward's apt if awkward metaphor describing the Hurricanes' results in October, November , December as laying "an entire eggfarm". Oh, and then there's the part of about the fans in Raleigh being so frustrated they've become very outspoken in their criticism of the players "via blogs". Ya don't say?
The matter is closed
Alexandre Burrows and Stephane Auger no strangers to controversy - ESPN Pierre LeBrun on ESPN.com. weighs in.
TSN.com Bob McKenzie: NHL needs to be more forthcoming on Auger affair A lot of people would feel a lot better if the NHL were more forthcoming on the details of the Alexandre Burrows - Stephane Auger investigation and what precisely was said between the two before the game. Because without that, we are left to guess and wonder.
Taking a look at the longterm consequences for the NHL that come the Salary Cap structure that came out of the last CBA. The Hurricanes are definitely part of this study and Rutherford makes some insightful comments. The difficulty of keeping good team together in NHL's new cap system - ESPN Just four years ago, the Carolina Hurricanes were lifting the Cup. Now, they're sitting in the NHL basement. They are just one example of how tough it is to keep a good team together in today's cap era.
Finally - remember that memo the NHL circulated last week suggesting team personnel curtail their use of profanity when speaking publicly? Here's a f*^*&*g great [fictional] review of how some of the League's most notorious offenders responded. Dallas Stars Blog:: NHL POTTY MOUTH POLICE
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Interesting Article Quoting Jim Rutherford re: Hall and Seguin
Here is a very interesting article that quotes Jim Rutherford. I think it is significant that the program he cites for the return of the Hurricanes to the Eastern Conference finals very closely tracks the many of the discussions we’ve had on this blog.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=lebrun_pierre&id=4822342
Here is a portion of the article:
The fluctuation from good to bad to good … the system allows for a dramatic shift either way. “No question,” Carolina GM Jim Rutherford said.
And who would know more than him? A Cup champion in 2006 to out of the playoffs the next two seasons to an impressive conference finals run last spring to a possible lottery draft pick in June. Next season? Who knows. Maybe Carolina will be back in the playoffs with a healthy Cam Ward and Eric Staal, the seasoning of some younger players, and possibly a Taylor Hall or a Tyler Seguin in the lineup.
“You put Hall or Seguin in our lineup, we make the changes we have to make, we get the goaltending that we’re capable of getting, we get Eric on his A-game, I mean, yeah, we can go from the conference finals to picking first overall and back to the conference finals,” Rutherford said.
I love this team :)
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jan 13, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I liked this piece too. (It’s the next to last link above). I thought the “coincidence” of the Oilers and Canes, together in the 2006 SCF, now sitting at #29 and #30 in the NHL today was a great way to make the point.
Rutherford can really testify. We only have one more season of this CBA, yes? (June 2011?). I wonder where it will go from here..
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
CBA
Unless the players and owners put forth their best efforts, they can undermine much of their work in building NHL hockey. I hope they will all realize in today’s economy, their fans will have little patience with either side taking intransigent positions. The CBA by and large has helped the owners and players; but like any document, it is an imperfect solution. The problem is always trying to fix problems without creating worse problems in the process. I think the salary cap has been a critical part of the CBA and has worked much better than no salary cap.
I’d rather have a few magical runs in a span of 10 years or whatever than squeaking into the playoffs every year and being a first or second round exit. So much more exciting in my mind.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
Valleys are one thing. Descending to the 9th plane of hell is another. Speaking of which the Wild is up 1-0 on the ’Nucks, where the hell did the Wild catch fire? They have chewed up and spit out several good teams here as of late.
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Descending to the 9th plane of hell is another.
LOL I don’t think one crappy season qualifies us as being there just yet. There are other teams who are much worse off speaking long-term than we are (Toronto, Florida, etc). I’m willing to take a few bad seasons because, like TrickyD said, it makes those good times that much sweeter.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
I don’t know if it’s a good thing or a bad thing, but you’re not alone on this one. LOL
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
How about 30th for three straight years? Or bottom 5 for 10 straight years? That’s got to be worse than 30th for one year.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
Rationalize it how ever you want to make you sleep. I feel like 30th (again in less than a decade BTW) is the bottom. It’s the NHL and 5 yrs from now every team is diff. So in my book, I feel like this is as low as it get’s as I know it will be diff. in a year, 2 or 5. It’s the nature of things. So I can’t find solace in an inevitable. Nobody stays #1 for too long and nobody stays 30th for long. Got to live in the moment and at this moment they suck and this is the 9th plane of hell, dead friggin’ last.
I understand noyt all people are able to view things like I do. I just don’t believe there is any concrete predictability in a pro sport. If there were a graph or gaugable meter it would make the whole thing superflous. So the odds are we get better. We have a 1 in 29 chance of finishing superior to this season, all we have to do is be better than one other team. Not much comfort in that, to me. While you seem to be finding solace in the fact that we have fine youth to bring up, remember I was there last JUne. That said, it still isn’t “The Roster” and it ain’t over till the horn blows. I think each season has to be viewed as a singular entity and this one, we are 30th.
I respectfully disagree, this is as low as it get’s.
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While I sort of understand your viewpoint, in my mind, there’s far too much hope for this to be as low as it gets. When the draft class sucks and we don’t have any more talent waiting to come up, then we’ll talk. When Cam has taken a mental health day that’s lasted all season and when Gleason is throwing down with his teammates because he hates them, then we’re there. When JR and PK start looking to move the team because the players hate the fans and the fans hate the players, then it’s as low as it gets. Until then…it could always get worse.
30th for one season after an outstanding run the year before? It’s a crappy thing no doubt, but it’s not as bad as it could be.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
and hopefully it never gets to that level. I can live with the crappy season as long as there are a few wins along the way, not just team wins, but individual wins. I think our “character guys” will only be better for the experience of having to suffer through this nightmare of a season to come back (the good ones) hungrier for the post-season next year.
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
LOL-I thought I was going to get ripped apart depending on what my answer was. I’m a health science major actually.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
It was actually a joke based upon your response to Paladin, you sounded like a psychologist trying to stop him from jumping off the roof.
I wouldnt rip on ya, I told you I thought you were smart for a girl :). I do find it intriguing how much hockey knowledge you have and how much I agree with you though.
Ah gotcha. That’s me-official therapist (and “back away from the ledge” girl) of CC. And thanks for the compliment even if I am a girl. ;)
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So we committed treason?
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jan 13, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the salary cap had anything to do with the Hurricanes failures this year. It certainly had nothing to do with their failures in previous years because this is the first time they ever spent to the max of the cap.
GM of CanesCountry.com
I think the author is saying that dealing with the salary cap creates a consistent ebb and flow of teams — rather than being like Major League Baseball where the New York Yankees spend more money on salary than the budget of some countries.
The salary cap did influence whether Seidenberg could be re-signed and with the budget available to obtain a replacement for Seidenberg and Babchuk. The salary cap and the CBA influenced whether Brind’Amour could be bought out.
Also -this may be tangential, but the fact that Staal’s cap hit is $2.25mil above his salary doesn’t help either.
Imagine if instead of Kostopoulos at $700k we could have used that $2.25mil in cash and signed [fill in name of favorite power forward here] at $2.95mil. Maybe a little removed from LeBrun’s case in that article, but still it reflects how the Cap has a set of rules, removed from cash flow. I guess I’m thinking that the cap hit is usually more influential than cashflow for a GM, which is way different from the rules of the game pre-2005.
We also didn’t get a first rounder in 2006 and haven’t had a top-shelf pick since they called out the name of Eric Staal. But with Sutter, Boychuk, etc, as our cheap talented replacements. Hence the fix with Jiri Tlusty (Toronto’s 2006 first rounder.)
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ooooo! Now we’re GM’ing!
Focusing on your last paragraph, in particular, you are correct that we have done well with our mid-first rounder picks in both 2007 (Sutter @ 11th overall) and 2008 (Boychuk @ 14th overall) and have essentially turned a 27th overall pick in 2009 (Paradis) into a 13th overall pick (Tlusty) from that 2006 draft in which we had no first-rounder due to the Doug Weight “rental” deal for the Cup run (although we did draft McBain in the second round).
Plus, acquiring Drayson Bowman in the third round of 2007 and Zac Dalpe in the second round of 2008 has really helped keep the talent replacement stream fresh.
But, it is time to drink from the heady waters of the top 3 or so again.
Unfortunately when you look at the salary chart compared to many others, we don’t have a lot of top talent on our roster in the $800,000 range. Just Sutter. (This was while I was clicking around here trying to see what $2.95mil would have bought us last summer. You have to select the “Salary” button on the top right of the charts – default is cap hits, which again indicates that this is the governing issue in most analyses)
The rest of our players in that category this season are not the best. As much as I like TK and Alberts, etc. they’re not gonna lead the team by any stretch.
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Valiant? Wut did I miss? I sold a 64 last year…
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Cool – were you the original owener? ;)
My parents had a ‘64 Plymouth Fury when I was a kid. But that didn’t make an appropriate title.
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a lot to be said in defense of the salary cap. It’s allowed the NHL to expand into non-traditional markets, and allowed those teams to have a relatively level playing field when competing with larger and original 6 markets. But there’s also a lot to be said about caps like the NBA and MLB where dynasties can be nurtured. All fans would love for their teams to be championship contender year in and year out; hard salary caps make that very difficult unless a team drafts extremely well and makes the best FA decisions possible. The other alternative is the the Yankee model: spend all you want, hope your players produce, and pay the penalty gladly if you win a championship. You’ve either got to have a market that produces enormous amounts of revenue or an owner that has bottomless pockets. Both would be better.
In a system with a true hard salary cap — NHL, NFL — a championship is almost inevitably followed by a time of rebuilding. Players from the championship team become more valuable. If you can’t afford to sign them, their replacements are less skilled. The fan base can become disenchanted and stop going to games, further reinforcing the downward spiral of revenue. The NFL has huge TV contracts to mitigate this; the NHL does not.
As a Canes fan, a realistic 10-year span for me is 4 playoffs, 1 championship series, and 5 years of looking for a kernel of hope in 5 lost seasons. In those ten years I may have season ticket packages for 7 years, go to a decent amount of games in 2, and maybe take a year off. My passion as a fan will never decrease but I will recognize that my entertainment dollar will be maximized during the peaks rather than the valleys. It’s a hard reality that we are in Raleigh and not in Toronto or Chicago or New York, and there will be years when this team loses a significant amount of money and PK needs to evaluate whether he can foot the bill in this location.
This is the Canes 11th year in the Raleigh market. When the season ends, we will have missed the playoffs in 6 of those years. But we have a Cup, another Final, and another conference final in 11 years, and for me the peaks outweigh the valleys. I have a lot of respect for guys like PK and JR that have to ride that thin line of success, decide when to lose money and how much, and try to make the decisions that not only affect the team this year but for the future. It’s a job I wouldn’t want.
check out the lead singer of Vampire Weekend’s jersey in this badass photo shoot for NY Timeout
a good find on the puck daddy today
Barry Melrose Rocks: Hockey and mullets. What else is there?
Cool – especially slide #5. We need to bring this to attention of Mike Murphy in in mailbag piece. The Rats would love this.
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
and, I love the fact that they wanted a New York hockey theme – yet we don’t see a Buffalo Sabres jersey here among the other NHL ones.
Barry Melrose Rocks: Hockey and mullets. What else is there?
The guy on the left is wearing a "Rats jersey. You of all people!!
Check out the “badass” link Wuffy put up that gives the whole story.
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Except it’s the right of the picture. (But he’d be on the left wing if I was a goalie coming in for the kill.)
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
And decided to substitute NJ in there instead. I guess they figured it was close enough. LOL
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
That would be #27 Jonathan Paiement
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Is that really his roster photo? Wow. I won’t say what I think he looks like.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
sorta resembles a hybrid of Billy Mays / Geico Caveman
Barry Melrose Rocks: Hockey and mullets. What else is there?
Who are you all thinking…..apparently I’m not on the same page…?
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 13, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
You didn’t happen to buy a ’64 Valiant brand new did ya?
I missed a page or two, too.
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BTW, who the hell was looking for Weezer material for their youngun’?
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
Back in my ECU days I was in a Weezer tribute band. Fun times
Barry Melrose Rocks: Hockey and mullets. What else is there?
Man the best hands down video of a song ever was “Buddy Holly”. I’ll be damned if I know why I like Weezer, but they hit a chord with me. I’m a metal head by trade. Well I love the Offspring and Social D, too…
Ah hell NM.
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Love Weezer, bought the new cd 2 weeks ago, thats where she got the song from, she stole my CD!
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
BTW my oldest daughter used to snag my CD’s alot. Therer is some entitlement thing with our children!
I want my CD’s back!!
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Weezer’s like that.
On the surface it seems just like generic pop-rock, but they have a knack with the hook that is just ungodly. Totally awesome.
by Raccoon Fink on Jan 14, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
it was me, never found what I was looking for though.
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
Not gonna either. From what I can tell the copyright on the tune hasn’t been shared/sold to allow for the tracked version (read Kareoke) to be dealt out yet. The samples I snagged are a wash on seperating the vocals out.
Sorry.
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Not to say it isn’t gonna happen, just ain’t on the market that I can find is what I mean.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
thanks for checkin, I think she has decided to use Back in Black, today anyhow, yesterday it was Linkin Park, She has a meet @ the end of Feb she needs to decide ASAP!!!
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
Al from Home Improvement.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jan 13, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’m one that is favor of the hard cap. I think it allows almost every team the opportunity to compete for a championship. MLB and the NBA don’t offer this. Are the Pirates or Royals ever real World Series contenders? Are the Clippers or Bucks ever competing for the NBA Finals? The NFL and NHL have consistent good teams, but almost always have the cellar dwellers from the season before challenging the big boys for a title. The hard cap allows this, but has its flaws. The NHL big markets, like Chicago and Philadelphia, don’t like it and understandable so. I even think the league would perfer having most of their big markets always good. It helps them with league revenues. I could see the league allowing a limited “luxury tax” that would give high revenue teams to ability to spend a little more than the cap if they pay a penalty.
I would like to keep the hard cap with a few tweeks. One idea I’ve heard and liked is having a one player salary cap exception (the Crosby/Ovechkin Rule). This would allow each team have one player’s salary not count against the cap. It allows each team to keep a star without cap considerations and it must build around that player within the cap. Another idea would be to allow a team to keep some salary of a player in a trade (the Burke Rule). This would allow for more trades because the two teams could work with each others cap numbers. Another idea would be that the players true salary is what defines the teams cap number. This would stop these front loaded contracts that “cheat” the system.
Whatever happens, the league needs to improve its revenue stream. The current national TV deals in the US are horrible. NBC and Versus pay what $232 per team? The need to get on ESPN or ESPN 2 at least twice a week. Increasing the leagues national exposure and getting more money to the teams.
by PackPride17 on Jan 13, 2010 9:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"Cap brings parity, and tough decisions"
Of all the excellent material linked above, the Pierre LeBrun column was perhaps the most interesting.
Good reminder that not only are the 2006 Final teams duking it out four years later for the #1 pick, the #27, #28, and #29 teams in 2006 were Washington, Chicago, and Pittsburgh, now all flying high.
Good insight throughout that whole column.
Scott Walker Get Well Messages
Hey folks, wanted to pass along a link…. Over at the main Canes message board there’s a thread where you can send “get well soon” messages to Scott Walker as he recovers from shoulder surgery. The messages will be printed and given to him, and I think they’re going to try to do that soon, so I wanted to get the message out. I believe you do need a sign-on to post in the thread. Thanks!
Ch.com Scott Walker Message Thread
SISU
Thanks for the link. Added my good wishes just now.
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 14, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
Teemu Selanne broke his jaw last night. Out 4-8 weeks. Sounds nasty.
Might be good for Jussi’s chances to join Joni and Ruu though.
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
Very unfortunate situation for Teemu and for Team Finland, but I’d think that gives Jussi a very good shot to join the roster. Still hoping we can keep Tuomo on there too.
SISU
Selanne was the last guy I’d want to see go down.
Let’s keep hoping Ruu recovers quickly. That’s a dark cloud out there for sure.
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Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 14, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
It’s been an unfortunate season for Teemu this year, injuries have been mounting for the poor guy. Team Finland will surely miss his scoring prowless. Let’s just hope Jussi gets the phone call today!
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Jan 14, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
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