Clicks and Clippings: Now it's Zach goin' Back
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 17, 2010 4:30 PM EST
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We knew it was coming. Just not who or when. With one of the injured forwards (Sergei Samsonov? Chad LaRose?) apparently able to play tomorrow night when the Hurricanes host the Tampa Bay Lightning, Zach Boychuk's name was announced as the call-up who is getting sent down to Albany. More announcements on the lineup for the game will certainly be made tomorrow.
HURRICANES REASSIGN ZACH BOYCHUK TO ALBANY - the press release
Canes Now - Boychuk sent back to Albany Boychuk's reassignment may signal that forward Sergei Samsonov is ready to rejoin the lineup for tomorrow's game with Tampa Bay.
LaRose, Samsonov Could Return Monday - Carolina Hurricanes - Blog Paul Branecky with an injury update after practice Sunday.
And with Boychuk headed back to Albany, I've got a few stories about injuries, new and old, which our AHL affiliate is working with, and still winning some games. Then a few worthy links that look at what's happening here in Carolina and around the wonderful world of hockey, all after the jump.
From Albany, news on the River Rats there and the upcoming AHL All-star Game
The Infestation: Rats beat Sound Tigers in OT, 4-3 Lots of links to a variety of re-caps and game quotes from last night's come-back thriller.
Rats notes ‘n quotes: Murphy adds injury to insult - Hockey Spoken Here - timesunion.com Friday night, the Rats went down to the Hershey Bears, in a game that at one point showed a talley of 10 - 1 on the scoreboard. Rookie Mike Murphy relieved starter Justin Peters after the fourth Hershey goal but lasted just 4:26, getting hurt late in the first period. Peters had to finish up, and his goals-against average went from 2.17 to 2.44 and his save percentage dropped from .928 to .921.
The Infestation: Rats recall Morrison from the Florida Everblades Now, with Mike Murphy injured, 30-year-old ECHL goaltender Mike Morrison will back up Justin Peters.
The Record Blogs: On The Fly: Borer takes another step forward Defenseman Casey Borer continues to make progress in his comeback bid from neck surgery as he shed his yellow (non-contact) jersey in River Rats practice this week.
All-star goalie knows score - Times Union - Albany NY Rats' Justin Peters braces for next week's onslaught.
The Hockey News put together a feature issue on the AHL All-Star game, set for Tuesday January 19, which is available as a downloadable .pdf. Must read about Tom Kostopoulos's experience in the game 7 years ago, which appears on page 3. Excerpt: Get Kostopoulos, Dumont and the rest of the fortunate 93 percent together in a room, and some could tell fantastic tales of their AHL all-star success.
The Hockey News: Around The AHL: First-half wrap The American League is chugging toward its mid-season point. Here are the current standings. The River Rats are 7th in the East, a whopping 16 points behind the Washington Capital's AHL team, Hershey Bears.
The Hurricanes still working through this season
ESPN.com no longer has their video clip of Cam Ward's "bare-faced" save vs Detroit available (It was in the top-10 plays of the day in all of sports). Never fear. Here is the Detroit Red Wings' game highlight video. Same stunning save, replayed from 5 angles in slow motion. Go to the 3 minute mark and enjoy. (And I'll post it again when it makes "save of the week".)
Moving on to last night's game: Canes fast running out of time - NewsObserver.com From the N&O Sunday morning print edition, recapping last night's loss to the Thrashers. Chip Alexander writes: The Carolina Hurricanes are fast approaching the breaking point in their season - if not already at it. [Apparently it takes a couple months to get news stories published in newsprint.]
Karmanos already looking ahead - Sports - NewsObserver.com During a trip to Raleigh two months ago, Carolina Hurricanes owner Peter Karmanos Jr. talked mostly about the possibilities of this hockey season. Chip had a chance to talk with PK when the Canes were in Michigan this week and got an update. Interesting to hear what he's thinking.
Southeast: Hurricanes' Ward closing on franchise mark - NHL.com - Division Notebooks Cam Ward has played just over four seasons with the Hurricanes and already is closing in on the franchise win mark. Plus some other news and developing stories from our division.
This just in at CanesNow: Canes Now - Forwards, goalies are foes, friends Learn more about the Rats connections: Jiri Tlusty and Atlanta's Ondrej Pavelec; Drayson Bowman and the Bolts' Dustin Tokarski.
And your last link focusing on the Hurricanes are these post-game comments from last night, led off by our latest call-up, #21 Drayson Bowman.
Some news on Team Finland : When it comes to Olympics, Lehtinen knows the score - NHL.com - All-Access Vancouver Finland's Jere Lehtinen knows a thing or two about the Olympics
And related, with veteran Finn Olympian and Anaheim Ducks' Teemu Selanne's recent surgery to repair a broken jaw, Chip Alexander tweeted this after talking with Jussi Jokinen yesterday:
Jussi Jokinen said he has not been contacted by anyone from Finland's national team about being a possible Olympic replacement.......Teemu Selanne has a broken jaw and word is be may have to miss the Olympics. But Jokinen said he did not expect to get the call.
TSN.ca: Oilers face serious cap issues as they ponder rebuild It's almost impossible in today's NHL to do it via trade so you have to do it via the draft," says Dreger. "The Oilers see great things in (potential No. 1 selections) Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, and defenceman Cam Fowler, so there's tons of promise looking ahead here in 2010 in the NHL Entry Draft.
TSN.ca - NHL on TSN panel selects their 2010 All-Stars Since there will be no NHL All-Star game this year because of the Olympics, the NHL on TSN panel deliberated over who they would select to take the ice on the first line, if there were an All-Star game in 2010.
GREAT ICE-PECTATIONS: A Tale of Two (Non-Traditional Hockey Market) Cities A couple familiar names on this blog talk about how much Carolina loves its hockey team and what at least one other NHL club might learn from us. Good stuff, kids!
Stunning Numbers: Fisher disengaged; - Puck Daddy Last month, we noted how well Fisher had been playing since cozying up to the American Idol. This new comparison arrived at Y! Sports this morning. Check it out on this rainy Sunday, hockey fans. (Hockeymom rolls her eyes to learn about such problems this pretty young couple has to deal with!)
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Wow before the video faded in I thought Eric Staal was talking. They sound eerily similar.
by DaleCooper on Jan 17, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I heard him the other day and thought the same thing.
Staal will be the next CAPTAIN........get over it!
by canescup on Jan 17, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rats defeat bruins…4-1, w/ a Jacob Micflikier hat-trick! Jamie McBain had 3 assists!!
The River Rats are very fun too watch!! Let’s go Rats!!!
Very talented team.. look like a contender IMHO for the Calder cup!!
by 3yrsnoplayoffs? on Jan 17, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I said the other day they need to call-up Jacob Micflikier, mainly because I like saying his name.
Staal will be the next CAPTAIN........get over it!
by canescup on Jan 17, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Jan 17, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the plug HM. Good stuff here, I like Bowman’s attitude. It will be interesting to see how the Albany-revolving door goes from here on out.
greaticepectations.blogspot.com
by Great Ice-Pectations on Jan 17, 2010 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff as always!
I highly recommend that article by Great Ice. Top notch stuff there. ;)
I wonder if Jokinen truly doesn’t expect to get a call or if he’s just saying that to the media. Good news on Borer-I hope to see him Raleigh soon (thanks for digging that up HM).
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Jan 17, 2010 6:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wish we had an owner who cared about winning .....
“We can run a team well under the cap and have it be a team we think can contend,” he said. “We knew this year we didn’t have any choice, so we added players here or there because we thought we were going to make a run for it this year.”
….instead of making money.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Jan 17, 2010 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think at this point it’s more about limiting losses than “making money”. Lot more loss years than profit years owning the Canes, so it’s a very expensive hobby to maintain, especially in low cash flow times.
Some business realism has to be injected here. Plus, spending money does not necessarily equal winning. See Toronto, et al. for historical examples.
by Elsker on Jan 17, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, spending money does not necessarily equal winning. See Toronto, et al. for historical examples.
I concur with you on some levels but this owner has always been a " money first, winning third " owner. This was the make or break year, since we bombed this team will NEVER spend close to the cap again, meaning No star winger to take the pressure off of Staal, no decent D in front of Wardo, and years of finishing 9th – 12th ahead of us.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Jan 17, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Having a top two pick will add the much needed super-star forward to go with Staal.
by abramsdoug on Jan 17, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Alexander Daigle(sp?), don’t forget this is the team that took Jeff Heerema with an 11th over all pick.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Jan 17, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Rutherford gave an interview where he said words to the effect that Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin would be a remarkable reward for the awful season. Karmanos said the same thing. One can always formulate an hypothesis that the Hurricanes trade the #1 pick for Michael Leighton; but realistically the Hurricanes realize they need to take a player with an Eric Staal level of talent.
by abramsdoug on Jan 17, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Elsker made a very good point. Spending don’t equal winning. Used Toronto as a very valid example. Though I think the 56 mill they pissed away this year has driven it home in a very personal (and peronel) way.
So at the beggining of this year they were sure they had the right formula and spent a shitpile of money. So far have failed so utterly that they may wind up with sweet heart of a draft pick
Here’s where Elsker and I differ. I agree they have lost money more often than not. That combined with this season epic failure. I am not convinced the right people are cvalling the shots. JR has gone from over glorified lucky gambler to an utter failure. I have no faith in him doing squat.
Mo….’nuff said.
In my opinion, the front office needs as big a change as the roster. Mo may not go, JR almost certainly isn’t. Hmmm, I smell a problem with ANY future for the Canes. If Ron Francis spends another game behind the bench it’s a waste of air. He has repeatedly said (until forced into taking it) that he didn’t want to coach. I think his performance and that of the areas under his purvue has shown that he needs to get back up to an office. As I recall he was in charge of player developement. May just be me, but that well was expertly stocked and is about to run dry. Get Ron onto where he works best.
I also think right now in the situation we are in, we need a new coach or if that is out of the question, we need Danials up here at least helping. I do not believe Mo has the tools to either rebuild a team or coach youth.
i would also like a hell of alot more fan appreciation. More expensive tickets and $9 a beer for the shit they put on the ice is a crime.
There had best be sweeping change next year or they will not of learned much from the array of mistakes they have made. If one learns from mistakes, i expect wide and vast change from top to bottom.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
by Paladin6 on Jan 17, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you might be going a little overboard, but I will agree on the ticket/beer thing. I think you could reduce ticket prices and make more money (if the team is entertaining to watch). Instead of charging $45 and up for lower level seats or even those $9 dollar tickets; take the price down a little. The lower level corners are almost empty most games. Take the LL corner prices down to $30 and the upper cheap seats to $5. While the prices would be reduced, you could potentially get more people and that means more $10 parking and $8/$9 beers. You might lose a little on ticket revenue, but gain more in the food/drink revenue.
by PackPride17 on Jan 18, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its 4.50 a beer…..dont forget their tall boys!…..as you would say…just tryin to make lemonade!
by TylerA7707 on Jan 18, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where the hell are you getting $4.50 beers at the RBC Center? The cheapest I found is the smalls at $5.75. Are you sure your actually getting beer for $4.50 and not toilet water?
by PackPride17 on Jan 18, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Spill the secret, whetre?
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
by Paladin6 on Jan 18, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you guys seriously not understanding my logic here?
A beer = 12 ounces. 24oz = 2 12oz bottles of beer. $9 divided by 2 = $4.50 per 12 ounces of beer.
by TylerA7707 on Jan 18, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh, that doesn’t count. You know they water down the beer anyway. All sports venues water down the beer.
by PackPride17 on Jan 18, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats a different story!, the beers outrageous i agree, but calling it $9 a beer makes me think that thats all your getting is “a” beer!
by TylerA7707 on Jan 18, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rookie, it is only “a beer”!!!
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
by Paladin6 on Jan 18, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point was that I think the Canes could make more money by lower ticket prices and having them pay the crazy “arena” food prices than to price people out of tickets.
by PackPride17 on Jan 18, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Serguin Plays
for Karmanos there in plymouth so it is NOT like he or Hall are an unknown commodity & players…too bad the Canes couldn’t also be assured or garunteed of the Lotry too..then the canes can have both…
If you think you can't, you won't !
by CaniacSteve on Jan 18, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but I’m just not that pessimistic, nor sure of what PK’s spending patterns will be.
Build the team up to where we think it’s heading, fill the house again (very important) and make some playoff money, and I do believe we will flirt with the cap again, especially since it’s heading downwards.
Not next year, no. But I’m not willing to accept “never”.
And I also disagree on the passion of the owner. In fact, I’m sooooo glad we’re not owned by a corporate conglomerate that would allow accountants to dominate business decisions. PK does play his heart, not just his wallet.
by Elsker on Jan 17, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If your a “money first” person, you dont own a sports team.
by TylerA7707 on Jan 18, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He does care about winning. He’s refering to the Vets contracts that are up and won’t be resigning. Next year will be full of Rats and draft picks (if were lucky) who are MUCH MUCH cheaper.
Staal will be the next CAPTAIN........get over it!
by canescup on Jan 17, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly believe its a signal to not expect the team to get involved in F/A market at all and has nothing to do with the Rats and or draft picks, though looking at it that way is great method of making a turd look like a Mr Goodbar.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Jan 17, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For example, Walker at $2,500,000 is vastly overpaid given his productivity. Aaron Ward at $2,500,000 is a travesty.
by abramsdoug on Jan 17, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Way they’re playing now, yes. Way they were playing when contracts were signed, no.
No crystal ball available, so yes, mistakes were made. Can’t undo them, though. Just have to play the ball where it lies and concentrate on the next shot.
by Elsker on Jan 17, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not blaming Jim Rutherford for using his best judgment. I am happy, however, that there are a number of veterans whose contracts expire next year and the year after. It is very, very difficult to build top tier teams because players like Aaron Ward can simply mail in effort for the entire season. The Hurricanes don’t have the luxury of endless funds that would enable them to demote under-achieving players to the AHL in order to avoid the impact of the salary cap.
by abramsdoug on Jan 17, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He signed a very, very injury prone 34-year old forward in Walker to a three-year deal and he unsurprisingly ended up injured for a large portion of it. No crystal ball was needed to predict that Walker would get hurt.
The reason we wind up with a bunch of bad contracts is because JR sees a player that has had good year and just automatically re-signs him for another few years and doesn’t ever consider that maybe that player had a fluke year or is reaching an age where they might decline.
by Kahz on Jan 17, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JR is not alone in this. There are a lot of very expensive veterans who simply never perform up to expectations. Did Walker’s OT goal in game 7 bring some major cash to the franchise? – you betcha, in many ways. But no one plans on anything like that.
And there are a lot of diamonds in the rough who achieve way beyond our wildest hopes. See: LaRose 08-09, Sutter, season-to-date. Sutter could tank after signing a big contract too. Or suffer some injury that never really heals.
I’m not disagreeing, just saying it’s not something JR should be singled out for.
Now the NTC to Wallin….? that was a sign of Stanley Cup hangover.
GM and soothsayer of the Unofficial Hurricanes' fishtank.
Up this week: Introducing Sutter-fish.
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 17, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sutter, season-to-date. Sutter could tank after signing a big contract too. Or suffer some injury that never really heals.
Bite your tongue!
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Jan 17, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then change the name to Ruutu and incur the wrath of LTD, or Timmy and have jenniwa show up at your door with a hatchet. =)
I was trying to add some balance to trashing Rutherford now that we have 20/20 hindsight. Almost everyone used to think AWard was a great addition to the top-4 D.
GM and soothsayer of the Unofficial Hurricanes' fishtank.
Up this week: Introducing Sutter-fish.
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 17, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take my chances with Jen. LTD kinda scares me a little-that giant camera would make a decent weapon. Although the hatchet would be tricky to avoid…
I get your point though and agree. Anyone could sign a mega-contract and then not pan out for a variety of reasons that could be entirely out of their control-take DiPi for example (at least in the recent past). Sometimes things happen that you just can’t predict.
And love the new signature by the way. Make sure you take extra special care of Sutter fish. He’s fragile and the transition to the “big tank” may be a bit of a shock for him. Plus you think Jen/LTD wrath would be bad? You haven’t seen anything if that fish dies and something happens to the real Sutter… :D
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Jan 17, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LTD kinda scares me a little-that giant camera would make a decent weapon.
As well she should…
And the “camera as a weapon” spiel has been used on Sabres fans in the arena before, with much success.
Sees the world through ruuu-colored glasses...
Sisu
by LTD on Jan 17, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just sayin.
Sees the world through ruuu-colored glasses...
Sisu
by LTD on Jan 17, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I consider myself warned. Although Sabres’ fans aren’t the brightest bulbs in the box so they would be more apt to fall for something silly. ;)
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Jan 17, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it was just a couple bad contracts, then I could understand your point. But it’s been repeated bad contracts since the ‘02 run. At some point we need to stop talking about how criticizing JR’s moves is “hindsight” and require JR to use some actual foresight.
This almost never happens, though. Almost of his moves are based on what the player did last season and don’t take into account the players age, injury history, career production, etc.
You can say that Walker’s goal brought money to the franchise. I could easily say that the rewards would have been significantly greater had that money been spent on someone who actually came close to justifying their salary. Maybe if Walker doesn’t miss his usual 30+ games and produce basically nothing when he is in the lineup, then the Hurricanes get a Top 4 seed (we were only a few points away from such a spot) and wind up getting home ice in the first round and more money. Or maybe they don’t, but that player ends up doing more than Walker did in the playoffs. We have no idea what could have happened, but a single goal does not justify a very, very bad contract. Walker failing to produce anything in between repeated injuries is far from the only reason this team sucks, but it combined with many other bad contracts is a big part of the problem.
No crystal ball was needed to predict Walker’s injuries. All you have to do is look at his injury history, his age, and his style of play combined with his small size.
It seems that JR get’s a free pass with every bad contract because he couldn’t have predicted that player playing like garbage. Why couldn’t he predict it? Isn’t that his job? JR’s predictions on how a player will perform throughout his deal have consistently been very, very, wrong and we are paying for those bad decisions today.
You yourself say that LaRose overachieved last year. So why wasn’t he treated as such?
It seems that all that is needed to justify a contract is one good season (or even one good HALF season in the case of Samsonov) and then JR gets a free pass because couldn’t have known that a player wouldn’t duplicate that season for the duration of their contract, even if that player has a career year, is hurt all the time, or is 36 years old.
And I would note that the reason for all these long term deals for veteran players is that we rarely have any prospects to plug holes due to JR’s absolutely brutal drafting.
by Kahz on Jan 18, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that all that is needed to justify a contract is one good season
JR, like every other GM in the league, unfortunately does have to discuss contracts for next year and beyond on this basis.
Whole CBA and arbitration process is based upon what an agent’s boy did the year before compared to some other player’s stats that was given some pat on the back somewhere.
Unfortunate, but that’s just the way it is. You pay the price and budget accordingly…or, you take a pass and let the player walk. I’m pretty content with how JR plays poker.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KARMANOS
Karmanos has stuck with a non-hockey venue and created one of the strongest new franchises in the NHL. This year, A.Ward, Wallin, and Brind’Amour flopped. Then add Walker and LaRose being hurt and under-achieving and the disastrous year was set in motion. It is unrealistic to expect Karmanos not to cut his losses this year. Next year will be a much better year and I can’t imagine Karmanos will refuse to spend the money it takes to rebuild the team.
by abramsdoug on Jan 17, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Karmanos has stuck with a non-hockey venue and created one of the strongest new franchises in the NHL
He didn’t have much of a choice. The NHL gave the Blue Jackets to Columbus ( as referenced in Glenn Wesley’s number retirement speech ) to try and keep The Whale in Hartford. It’s fun to forget all of the talk about us moving to Winnipeg. There was a reason that the motto was " Here to Play, Here to Stay ", they did not want people talking about that. Then we won a Cup. Now with the Cup win, the precedent is set that he can’t move, as the league has never moved a cup winner. Don’t kid yourself into believing that he " loves " this market, if that was the case he would show up to a game once in a while.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Jan 17, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He just came to a practice a few weeks ago what more do you want?………..he’s not the coach or the GM……..you do know that right?
Staal will be the next CAPTAIN........get over it!
by canescup on Jan 17, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t want Jerry Jones for sure CC! Ya know everybody says this isn’t a hockey market. Yet it is a market. I pose to you the rabid Nascar fans, the fact that ACC basketball and opening day of deer season are days many take off work. That combined with the fact there is squat for pro sports in the area, I don’t see why the greatest sport has taken off here. Call omniscience or blind luck. Bottom line, lot’s of sports fans, most have good jobs and squat for competition. Kinda no brainer in hindsight.
This town loves a winner and will tolerate losing (Duke football?). I think hockey has infected this area and will be here until bettemen do us wrong.
I think weak marketing and inconsistant play have been the only downfall around here. I think this fan base has done more than it’s part. I also believe they could suck as bad as they do this again next year and we’d be here bitching (I’m gonna be right again ofcourse…). we’d also go the games and find something to look forward to the next year. I live just shy of Roanoke Va. and I have been to about 10 games. Several other posters have even farther to go and come and support. This isn’t a weak market. We bloom with a winner and dwindle with losers. Pretty much like everybody except the psycho Canadians (sory Dr. Evil).
A
The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
by Paladin6 on Jan 17, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Jerry Jones, I don’t wanna see the owner on the sideline acting like he’s the coach.
Staal will be the next CAPTAIN........get over it!
by canescup on Jan 17, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What you think about the market?
When I moved here/there in the early ’90’s we’d go to Ice Cap games. Was a small crowd, but was damn sure a hockey crowd. Hell most of the town didn’t know what hockey was. Then, correct me if I’m wrong the Canes go to Greensboro, ‘cause we don’t even have an ice arena that will work. I don’t know that that has ever been done before? Hockey faithful begin to crop up everywhere. They come to Raleigh and stuff goes crazy. Good ol’ Mo love him or hate him is the guy that made the Canes permanent by taking on the evil Red Wings. I have been to about every type of sporting event in the area and to about 10 NHL venues. Nothing was like that. Even the year they won the Cup, was “only as good”.
Hell part of me wishes the franchise had some pressure to get moved and that may light a fire under these guys to ice a good squad every year. Not the case. the Canes are here to stay for at least several years.
Man if they ain’t RBC is gonna be pissed, I think they are out to like 20yrs on sponsorship at the stadium.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
by Paladin6 on Jan 17, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A team in a “non-traditional market” (I hate that phrase) that can avg. over 14,000 fans for a 30th place team isn’t going anywhere. That speaks volumes when the fans keep coming to games when you know the playoffs are done this year. And they’ve been sucking in most games but the fans keep supporting them.
Staal will be the next CAPTAIN........get over it!
by canescup on Jan 17, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's some proof for you.
Staal will be the next CAPTAIN........get over it!
by canescup on Jan 17, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“pull that shit again and you’re sleeping with the fish”
and HMof2 will flush your ass…
Who made the Luca quote the other night? That’s been hanging in my head.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
by Paladin6 on Jan 17, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fish stories
Just to be clear. Peter-Karmanos fish did die in September, at the age of approx 39 months. However, he was buried next to Staalsy 1.0, not flushed. He has not been replaced.
Mo-fish looks fine. Really. But then so does Colesy, Corvo, Rosey, Babchuk!, and Ruu-fish. (no Sammi, no Walks)
I should be able to get Whitney buried out there tomorrow. In fact – somebody remind me tomorrow when it’s light out. Unformtunately, I only think of it when I go for ice cream (about now) and find his frozen body in the tupperware in the back of the fridge.
We’re talking about getting a Sutter fish soon, since the kids are out of school a couple days. We’ll coordinate with cg by text so she can offer her expertise on the selection. cg – lemme know when you’re free the next couple days, and will have web access to image search tropical fish species. I think Sutter is a stand-alone, and we won’t seek a matching pair (like Rosey and Cully, etc)
Gleason for the "C" :
Just what do we need to do to make this happen?
by hockeymomof2 on Jan 17, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sutter is most definitely a stand-alone fish. I’m free almost all day tomorrow (afternoon being better than morning), after 3:30 on Tuesday/Thursday and after 2:30 on Wednesday/Friday. You know how to reach me. :)
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by caniacgirl on Jan 17, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t figure out if that’s morbid or funny.
Dam sure means the tupperware in the fridge is suspect, though.
Can I feed the Colesy fish….just once?
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
by Paladin6 on Jan 17, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We were at the Petco in Durham today looking at all the fish. I was trying to decide which kind of fish I would pick out for different players. I didn’t really have much luck, but thought the Dalmation Sailfin Molly was pretty cool looking.
by Cyn4Canes on Jan 17, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad someone is beginning to appreciate what I go through to make this tank work.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody mentioned the gurney on wheels Eric Cole and his list of injuries and missed time…..
by max creek on Jan 17, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, one would only have to pull up his TSN player profile to look at his long list of injuries. JR apparently was unable to do so. There’s NO WAY he could have ever known that Cole got hurt. Cole’s injury was just a fluke like all of his other injuries. Nobody could have ever envisioned Cole getting hurt. Total shocker. In fact I say we extend Cole in the summer for two more years since he was really good in 05-06 and Staal needs him and stuff.
by Kahz on Jan 18, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Williams, too. He’s only on pace to miss ~30 games this season instead of his usual 40+, so it looks like he’s over the injury bug. His injuries were total flukes anyway and he meant so much to this franchise so let’s get the band back together and make one more run, complete with Brind’amour and A.Ward flying up and down on the ice on wheelchairs.
by Kahz on Jan 18, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that link to the Karmanos N&O interview. It PAINED me to read that Karamanos has no intention of making a coaching change. I mean I got physically ill. I wonder if I can reach the bench from the upper deck tonight w/Larose’s bobblehead?
by Capt. Stinky on Jan 18, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
According to ice_chip, both Sammi and LaRose will be playing tonight. Bowman was not at the morning skate.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 10:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I assumed when I got that tweet that Drayson Bowman was reassigned. I wonder what the lines will be:
Here’s my guess:
Whitney/Cullen/Staal
Jokinen/Sutter/Tlusty
Samsonov/Brind’Amour/Kostopoulos
LaRose/Yelle/Dwyer
Here is what I would do if I were in charge:
Whitney/Cullen/Staal
Jokinen/Sutter/Tlusty
Samsonov/Dwyer/Kostopoulos
Brind’Amour/Yelle/LaRose
If I couldn’t get the offense rolling, I’d go to:
Whitney/Sutter/Staal
Jokinen/Cullen/Tlusty
Samsonov/Dwyer/LaRose
Brind’Amour/Yelle/Kostopoulos
or
Whitney/Sutter/Staal
Jokinen/Cullen/Tlusty
LaRose/Dwyer/Kostopoulos
Samsonov/Yelle/Brind’Amour
by abramsdoug on Jan 18, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Drayson Bowman is Re-Assigned
I am looking forward to some trades and having Boychuk, Bowman, Samson, and Rodney brought up.
by abramsdoug on Jan 18, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’m glad they kept Tlusty and Dwyer….?
Was hoping Bowman would get one more game, especially with his longtime buddy in goal for Tampa Bay.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Oh well, it’s been that kind of season. Oilers are challenging for the 30th spot. We need to play Brind’Amour on first line for 23 minutes; and put A. Ward and Wallin in together for 25 minutes. We cannot afford to hide them when Taylor Hall is on the line.
by abramsdoug on Jan 18, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a wasted call up. Shoulda kept Bowman a couple games. The returns can’t be too surprising.
Nuts.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
by Paladin6 on Jan 18, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both JR and Mo have consistently said the call-ups would be brief and for injury purposes only. If LaRose and Samsonov are ready, back they go.
Surely wasn’t a wasted call-up in Bowman’s or Boychuk’s eyes, I’m sure. Nor in ours. Data was gathered.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, just think one game was more of a reach around than an actuall eval. At least he came up and I think has potential.
That said if you look at the FA market http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/2010-nhl-unrestricted-free-agents-by-position/
Carolina doesn’t have squat that you can’t get elsewhere. I think JR may have been penny wise and nickel shy. By waiting I think he squandered some opportunity. Can’t say for sure, wasn’t in on the conf. call. I look at that list and Carolina isn’t the first stop for any position. Maybe not even third. Waiting may have saved match money, but I think we get nothing in return from any trade outside of a draft pick and a sack of pucks. In December, when it was apparent this year was toast. whitney should of been trade worthy for more than a draft pick. Cullen same.
Hope something pans out or we ain’t trading for squat and any pieces pieces we need to add, we have to buy.
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The Canes are like a box of expired chocolates......
by Paladin6 on Jan 18, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you & abramsdoug
i would have been happy as a clam in chowder if Drayson could have scored on him…as my daughter who is a season ticket holder ( thanks to me ) seen how they’d play with each other during practice times…a lot of love,respect there but being the kind of competitors they are, it would be something to see.
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by CaniacSteve on Jan 18, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trades...what's taking so long?
Unless injury-driven, and therefore time-constrained, I believe because of the Olympics we may not see much trade action until the trade deadline.
Doesn’t mean that lots of wheelin’ and dealin’ is going on, just that pre-arranged trades will have their triggers pulled when the suspension of trades (assumed on my part) for the Olympics ends, which is probably just mere days before the March 3rd deadline (if memory serves me right).
Taking on salary for rental players will be deferred to the last minute, with little desire to pay for their Olympic vacations. Also, Kolvachuk is messing up a bunch of conditional trades. Some contenders (Chicago and Boston, for two) are in the dance for his turbocharger to be strapped onto their engines, so until that’s decided the Ray Whitney, etc. consolation sweepstakes is on hold.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
THE OLYMPIC TRADE FREEZE BEGINS MIDNIGHT FEB 12, ENDING MIDNIGHT FEB 28 2010
The deadline is sooner than most realize. There are only a few days after the Olympics when Trades are frozen. So the effective deadline is Feb 12th. That’s about four weeks from now.
Can the GM’s even talk about deals during the freeze? if they only have 3 days after the Olympic freeze is lifted, those will be crazy days. Better silence my twitter feed to my cell, or I won’t get anything done.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Olympic vacations? Good question: is the pro-rated formulation based on actual days, or days of the season (which would exclude the Olympics)?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true. Compensation might actually be linked to “working days” of which the Olympic period is not.
Still, the reason the trade freeze kicks in early is probably due to the psychological impact of an announced trade on Olympic athletes, whether themselves or teammates. Lots of family impact on a mid-season trade.
Wonder if a pre-arranged “done deal” trade is discussed with the player in advance? Sort of a head’s up to be making arrangements during the Olympic break. Would be if you have a NTC, that’s for sure.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard on NHL live or some other XM Radio program that GMs were going to be talking like crazy during the Olympic trade freeze so they could pull the trigger as soon as the freeze ended.
by abramsdoug on Jan 18, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense – the day-to-day stuff will be slow with no NHL games.
Maybe they can all meet up at some hotel on the west coast and play golf everyday. Imagine the wheeling and dealing if they were all in one place. Like the hours leading up to the entry draft.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Official: according to Maurice, Bowman will be reassigned to Albany shortly.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the name getting tossed around only slightly less than Kovalchuk is Whitney.
Spector’s hockey rumor roundup for Monday 1/18
Whitney to Pittsburgh? Apparently the bidding war for the Wizard is getting to be pricey if . Still wondering about the NTC.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
would you waive yours (NTC) for a chance at a cup run?
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
by jenniwa30 on Jan 18, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah – if it was the right team/ right coach.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I had a handshake deal (this is where the trust factor kicks in for the org) with JR that a deal in principle was in place this summer for me not to have to move the family.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am convinced such a gentleman’s agreement or mutual understanding is already in place.
by abramsdoug on Jan 18, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this will be the key to the whole thing. I doubt Ray is going to want to move his family so if he can come back here next season, I could see him agreeing to go elsewhere for the last part of the season.
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by caniacgirl on Jan 18, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whitney to Pittsburgh for Stanley Cup Run and NTC
I absolutely could envision Whitney having a great time playing with Crosby and Malkin for the Stanley Cup Run. It gives him a chance to go for another Cup; and then come back to Raleigh to end his career. When he returns, the price of the Cup chase is that he gets more talent to Carolina. As a person who one day is likely to coach the Hurricanes, acquiring young talent helps him. It seems like a win-win proposition.
As competitive as Whitney is, and as long-viewed, I think he would be happy to help. Additionally, that experience would help Whitney down the road as a head coach because he would see the systems of a very successful franchise. Hockey is like playing the guitar — nobody holds all the world’s knowledge on the subject and everybody can learn something new and creative every day.
by abramsdoug on Jan 18, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But would he go to those teams currently within 2 points of the cutoff? I won’t list them (6 in the East, 4 in the west) – open the link. I don’t see any of those organizations or locations as being real draws.
Maybe Detroit….? But then there are the problems with the Cap. Who has room?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By delaying to the last possible moment, they’re only on the hook for the last six weeks or so of the season for salary, so it’s not much of a burden.
If we take a prospect(s) back, there’s some salary relief. May even have to take a garbage player to get someone good.
So, teams that think they’re going to have to shed young talent anyway this summer are good candidates, regardless of team needs for services (but who could not use an activator like Whitney?).
Hard to guess. I’m just focusing on Chicago and Boston due to rumors of them being deep into the Kolvachuk race. Figuring that the loser has a means to acquire salary, if they were interested in Kolvachuk, and would go for the next best available talent.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago is so far over the Cap, I can’t imagine who they can take anyone on? I would think trading prospects (which is what we want) doesn’t relieve current Cap-hits, unless these prospects are actually playing at the NHL level- am I right?
current NHL cap hits - these guys must have a lot of high salary players on LTIR to be okay.
I was thinking more like Colorado, the LA Kings. or even the Islanders…..Would he play there?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I’m Chicago and want even more offense, then I make room for Whitney by sending back Cam Barker (third pairing D for them and not RFA until ‘12-’13) at a $3.083M cap hit and a kicker for Whitney’s $3.55M hit.
But, you can see the difficulty of arranging a Kolvachuk deal, since they would have to double-dip into the talent pool to bring in Ilya’s $6.4M hit.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The cap hit goes down as the season progresses, remember. It becomes easier to add guys.
by Cory Lavalette on Jan 18, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly, what would Pitts give back? Not a whole lot in the prospect barrel (doubt they’d part with Tangredi) so it would probably be a pick(s).
by Cory Lavalette on Jan 18, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We gave St.Louis 3 picks, including a 1st round, and swapped some spare parts for D.Weight in 2006. So I would expect at least a 1st round for Whitney.
by drifterscape on Jan 18, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct. Here’s that January 30th deal per the Canes media guide:
Acquired center Doug Weight and left wing Erkki Rajamaki from the St. Louis Blues in exchange for forwards Jesse Boulerice, Mike Zigomanis and Magnus Kahnberg, Carolina’s first-round pick in the 2006 Entry Draft, Toronto’s fourth-round pick in the 2006 Entry Draft
and Chicago’s fourth-round pick in 2007.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That 2006 first-rounder (27th overall) turned into Patrik Berglund (center) for them (21g, 26a last year).
The 2006 fourth-rounder is a Swiss goalie that doesn’t look like he’s going to make it and the 2007 fourth-rounder is similarly doubtful.
We must have turned Erkki Rajamaki loose that summer, because the Blues somehow re-acquired him and he’s on their roster.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. I was wondering who that 1st rounder turned into.
by drifterscape on Jan 18, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just had to look. Insatiably curious, I am.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Whitney and Rutherford would require that the team receive a first round draft choice for him to waive the NTC. I am convinced Whitney and Rutherford fully intend to reach a deal for 2010-2011; and it would help Whitney and the team to have two first round 2009 entry draft selections on the Hurricanes team. I suspect that either Kabanov or Tellegin would be available in the mid to late first round. It would be ideal if the Hurricanes could get a tall, rangy, hybrid power forward to go with Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin. Interesting that the Doug Weight trade wound up with Patrik Berglund. He is a player the Hurricanes really could use.
by abramsdoug on Jan 18, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, Whitney and Rutherford can require all they want it ain’t worth spit unless they find a dance partner.
I disagree. Whitney is only worth what you can get for him, they “require” squat. It don’t work that way. I think the longer JR waits the less Ray is worth. Unless somebody needs an old winger really friggin’ bad.
Ain’t saying it won’t happen, just saying JR and Ray have next to nothing to say about it. He who has the picks and money sets the terms, period.
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by Paladin6 on Jan 18, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And do it without the guys I call my friends and have gone through the whole season’s struggles with? I don’t know. I probably would, but I’d feel guilty as you know what about it.
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by caniacgirl on Jan 18, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he would consider what he would be doing for the team. Sounds like he’s going to be the poor man’s Kovalchuk – which means there is a bidding war for what the Canes’ get in return. That’s has a great longterm upside to us, in exchange for him spending a couple months playing elsewhere. No guilt allowed. (other than for his family missing him – how old are his kids? If they’re not in school it’s much easier to re-locate for a few months.)
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by hockeymomof2 on Jan 18, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do believe he has some school aged children (maybe kindergarten or 1st grade?) and then some that are much younger (under 3). I wasn’t at all trying to imply that he should feel guilty about agreeing to a trade or even winning the Cup. For me, it just wouldn’t mean the same thing as if I had gone through it with my team.
I’d suspect that for a lot of these guys it would be the same way. You’d be happy, you’d be proud, you’d celebrate, you’d grow to love (?) your new teammates. But there would always be that “yeah but…” in the back of their minds. You don’t spend all that time with a team and not feel a little bit of regret that you couldn’t do it together, as a group. Unless of course you’re Hossa and switch teams like some people switch socks.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Jan 18, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Changes not likely for top two lines, but third and fourth lines will likely shift throughout the game.
And Chad breaks the “curse of the bobblehead.”
Sees the world through ruuu-colored glasses...
Sisu
by LTD on Jan 18, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Hockey News on Finnish Olympic Team Injuries
Terrible Timing for Finnish Injuries
But if Koivu and/or Selanne can’t play, it won’t be near as easily done. Selanne could possibly be replaced by Jussi Jokinen of the Carolina Hurricanes, if Jokinen moved from left wing to the right side.
by Elsker on Jan 18, 2010 3:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Alex Picard on Waivers by Columbus (slightly OT)
Alex Picard was just put on waivers by Columbus. I keep seeing better and better players starting to hit waivers. Picard is a classic example of an under-achieving but highly talented, big, fast forward. He is also very reasonably priced in terms of his salary. The point is that if Jim Rutherford can pull off another Jokinen kind of trade, the Hurricanes can obtain the big, fast, skilled forward they need without giving up the farm.
As we look at the team this year and next year, the idea of choices comes to mind. The Hurricanes are weighing the cost of specific players against what that money could obtain in today’s market. I for one would be delighted to see Yelle gone and Picard obtained.
This process is going to accelerate as teams that are hurting financially release some excellent players.
by abramsdoug on Jan 18, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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