Clicks and Clippings: Life goes on
by Carolyn Christians on Dec 27, 2010 6:06 PM EST
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PrintThis Win-Loss tally of 0-3-0 of the past week is hardly the push Carolina Hurricanes' fans were hoping for as the team continues to labor just below the playoff cut, their season record seemingly stuck at or near .500. Lately one website has been getting some notice that gives the statistical take of the Carolina Hurricanes Playoff Chances. Those chances, purely based on numbers, currently stand at less than 25%. While it's certainly still early, it seems many of us have the sense there's a dark cloud hovering which represents a season ending in early April. A three-game losing streak will do that to you, especially after those last two games at home were filled with inconsistencies from both the teams and the officiating.
So, first I've got a survey of what the Carolina team is saying about its next set of hurdles. Then I've got a look at some really sad-sack stories from each of the Canes next three opponents. Because, in fact, it really could be worse. Much worse.
Adding Offense Begins with Power Play - Paul Branecky, TTS Blog In order to do so and improve a unit that is ranked 27th in the league with a 15.5 percent conversion rate, Maurice said he would look at giving different players more of an opportunity on a set third grouping.
Crunching some numbers to show how badly goals have gone missing, Canes continue search for offense - FS Carolinas Going back to a 2-1 loss to Nashville on Nov. 20, Carolina has netted just 32 goals in 15 games. So the attack-minded approach they entered Sunday’s game with was absolutely necessary to have a chance at beating a team like Washington.
From the Sunday News & Observer, an in-depth piece on the team's "identity". Nothing comes easily for Canes - NewsObserver.com Early in December, Carolina Hurricanes defenseman Tim Gleason surmised the team was still coming together and seeking a collective identity.
"Obviously, we work extremely hard," goaltender Cam Ward said. "We're a little bit of a loose group that likes to have fun, but when you're a loose group you've also got to be focused from the drop of the puck, and that's one of the areas we can still improve upon.
"But we've shown we've been able to stick with it when we put our minds to it and are able to overcome some obstacles. When we face adversity, we can raise up."
After the jump, the wrap-up of Gleason on Perreault, sad tales of the Canes' next three opponents, links and video from the WJC tournament in Buffalo, and why Detroit must be wondering what they did to anger the hockey gods so.
Canes Now - Canes' Gleason discusses 'The Hit'
"It was just one of those things," Tim Gleason said. "You obviously never intend to go out and hurt somebody ... but I just tried to follow through with my check and I will continue to do so. The call was made and that was the call they thought was right. So life goes on."
This post went up last night right after the game, and if you haven't already, take a look to understand the frustration felt around these parts. Video: Tim Gleason's controversial ejection after hit on Perreault - Puck Daddy
Finally, some careful analysis of the incident and the rule book from Stu Hackel, (formerly of the NYTimes Slap Shot hockey blog, now at his new blog over at SI.com) Red Light: Making sense of Gleason’s hit on Perreault.
It was a shot that sure looked like it targeted the head - despite Hurricanes TV analyst Tripp Tracey's contention - but was not punished under the new Rule 48 that prohibits blindside or lateral blows to the head.
What do you think?
This next week
While the data is a little old, here are your Aggregated NHL Power Rankings: Week 11 over at From The Rink This week, Carolina's schedule includes the 27th, 28th and 29th ranked teams, and the news around them hardly suggests that holiday cheer permeates the mood of their players or their fans.
At TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS (Tuesday, 12/28, 7pm)
Eastern Conference Rank 13th, Record: 13 - 17 - 4, 30 pts, 79 GF, 103 GA (-24 differential) Last 10: 5-5-0, Streak: WON 1
Played in the middle of The Boxing Day Blizzard of 2010 last night, Leafs end skid, dump Devils - The Globe and Mail "I don't know how many fans come to their games anyway," Maple Leafs coach Ron Wilson said.
Remember, the last time the Leafs played at home, December 20 vs the Atlanta Thrashers, there were waffles on the ice.
The storm was so bad the Leafs did not fly out after the game, getting back to the nearby hotel around 3am. Their flight is now scheduled to arrive back in Toronto at 8pm tonight having wasted the day in Newark.
At OTTAWA SENATORS (Wednesday, 12/29, 7:30 pm)
9th in the East, Record: 16 - 17 - 4, 36 pts, 86 GF, 108 GA, (-22 differential) Last 10: 5-3-2, Streak: WON 2
Good news: Impressive win over one of the best teams in the league. Sens best Pens | Ottawa Sun On Boxing Day, the Senators delivered a knockout punch to Sidney Crosby and the Penguins. Ottawa goaltender Brian Elliott made a career-high 44 stops and defenceman Erik Karlsson had two goals and an assist as the Senators earned a 3-1 victory over Pittsburgh in front of 20,146 fans at Scotiabank Place.
Bad news: However, Ottawa also lost their top centerman, Jason Spezza, for several weeks with a shoulder injury: Spezza gone for long term | Ottawa Sun
vs NEW JERSEY DEVILS (Saturday, 1/1, 7pm, in Raleigh)
15th in the East, Record: 9 - 24 - 2, 20 pts, 61 GF, 112 GA (-51 differential) Last 10: 1-9-0, Streak: LOST 5
Last night's loss to Toronto was the second game under the Devils' new interim former retired/returning coach Jacques Lemaire, who arrived last Thursday, in what appears to be Lou Lamiorello's last ditch effort to save the sinking Titanic. The game included a second period skirmish between multi-gazillionaire enigma Ilya Kovalchuk and Leaf's cursed captain, Dion Phaneuf. Lemaire was not impressed: Devils coach Jacques Lemaire: We don't need Ilya Kovalchuk to fight | NJ.com. Others referred to it as the Worst Fight of the Year.
Today came the first real practice under the new boss: Fire & Ice: Devils Lemaire puts team to work Lemaire must be starting to understand what John MacLean was going through with this group This is the Devils’ first full practice since Lemaire took over as head coach on Thursday. They are 0-2 under Lemaire, including a 4-1 loss to Toronto on Sunday, and were outscored 9-2 in those two defeats. Tom Gulitti's final tweet from the Devils' practice is pretty graphic:
After being beat by Patrik Elias (after others also scored) in one on one drill, Martin Brodeur smashed his stick to pieces on crossbar.
Like I said, Canes fans, it could be worse.
World Juniors Championships: Day 1
Last night's featured game in Buffalo was the defending Champions from the US vs the teens from Finland and included all four of the Canes prospects. Team Finland tied the score at two goals a piece late in the third, but Team USA went on to win it in overtime.
The very first goal for Team USA came late in the opening period, on a power play, with a blast from Justin Faulk from the blueline. Brian Dumoulin impressed many and was paired with Faulk as his defensive partner. Finland's Rasmus Rissanen (drafted in the later rounds by the Canes in 2009 and who participated in the NHL club's training camp here in September) finished with an impressive +2 in the losing effort.
Some basic numbers here: USA vs Finland: Game sheet followed by a couple recaps:
Well… That Was Close : The United States of Hockey I was not in the least surprised in the way the game went. I know there were some that thought the U.S. would blow the barn doors off of the Finns, but anyone that’s seen international hockey before knows that this was a stereotypical Finnish-style game.
Julie Robenhymer: USA Defeats Finland 3-2 in OT - includes a video interview with Faulk
A quick story from last week over at Canes Now - Faulk, Dumoulin 'pumped' about selection, in which we learn that they're not only a D-pairing in Buffalo, Justin and Brian are also roomies.
Finally, video highlights, with USA in white, and Finland in Suomi blue. Faulk wears USA #25, Dumoulin #4. For Finland, Rissanen is in #8, and Tommi Kivisto in #4. 2011 WJC: Finland vs. USA - 12/26
The next game for Team USA will be Wednesday at 8pm, shown on the NHL Network. You can check on the full game schedule for the Americans (all of which will be televised on NHL Network) on the Canes Country Calendar.
Finally, some WJC history featuring a familiar Canadian teen goal tender who only came into the Hurricanes' system last spring.: Forsberg, Subban, Pogge top all-time WJC roster - NHL.com
Justin Pogge -- In his only WJC appearance, Pogge shut out Russia to help Canada win the gold medal at the 2006 tournament. It's only the third time a shutout has been registered in the gold-medal game since the current tournament format was adopted in 1996, and was Pogge's third shutout of the event, the most ever for a single tournament. He also had a 151:50 shutout streak, the second-longest in WJC history. His six wins at the '96 WJC are tied for the second-most at a single event.
Injury updates
In Detroit, Dan Cleary Out With Fractured Ankle - NHL FanHouse. This just happened last night. Before the Christmas holiday, the fans in red had even worse news: Wings reeling after Datsyuk injury - The Globe and Mail Irreplaceable Russian left-winger breaks his hand. Remember veteran Mike Modano is also out for months recovering from sliced tendons in his wrist. When you add it all up, that's a lot of challenge right there.
Meanwhile, the Chicago Blackhawks Marian Hossa returned last week and now we hear Patrick Kane likely to come back tomorrow night for Chicago | ProHockeyTalk
And back here in the Eastern Conference: Sabres lose Derek Roy for the season - The Globe and Mail Buffalo leading scorer to miss four to six months after tearing left quadriceps tendon
Repeating this from above, but relevant to this heading: Spezza gone for long term | Ottawa Sun
Finally, a glimmer of hope for the third of the Staal brothers: Jordan Staal Skating Again - PensBurgh
Interestingly enough, Staal isn't ruling out a potential return in the Winter Classic, but part of me thinks that is just wishful thinking. If he's not 100 perfect now, where does he expect to be in four days? I don't see it happening personally, but if there is one player in the league that makes you doubt even the most definitive judgment it's Jordan.
Home sweet home
Now for something completely different, a Christmas tour of Rod Brind`Amour's home north of Raleigh with cameos from his wife and kids. Beautiful family.
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Thanks HM2
While I personally feel that Gleason’s punishment was for the results and NOT the hit,but if he can shake it off and go on, he therefore sets the tone not only for the team but we fans as well. Like in the Sapranos..“fugettaboutit”!!! And i find it rather discerning that no one has been able to “give or discribe” the Canes team Indentity…as i have said before and after being reminded by others that 20 games is needed to and for the team to gel…welll this fan is still waiting. God stuff as always..and we thank you !! stay warm & Be safe
The moment you write off the Hurricanes,
they make you look bad !!
Leafs are still stuck in Newark. Not sure if they’ll make it back tonight or wait till morning to fly out.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 27, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions
So the Maple Leafs arrived back in Toronto an hour ago, spending much of the last 2 days on a bus or in the plane waiting.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 28, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Being stuck on a bus or plane is a much preferable place to be than in Newark.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
What if the bus and plane are in Newark – for hours. ?
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 28, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
The bus/plane is cleaner and safer than the rest of Newark.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Two calls in two games that went against the Canes. Now I know what you’re thinking, “Hey everyone has calls going against them”. As I watch other games besides just the Canes, I will say that it looked as if the calls are going against the smaller market or out of the playoff loop teams.
Yeah, call me homer but after reading the comments from the Caps’ fanbase, well, they’re not the Craps for nothing. Some of the comments and phantom deliberate and out to hurt the opposing player hit that more than a few of the Craps’ fans said they saw from Gleason. Let me say it again, Gleason’s hit was a LEGAL hit on Perreault and the damage to Perreault came from his twig shattering.
There, I said it. Yeah, I am a homer but I will give a big “BLOW ME” to the Craps fans that say Gleason went out to intentionally hurt your player. I can’t wait for Ovenchicken, a known leave the ice type who likes to go after opponents knees to get a Major and then kick out of the game. Like that is going to happen.
Well, that’s out of my system. So what’s next for the Canes? As others have stated and I think I can paraphrase here, the Canes have 4 options:
1: Stop hitting and become the “It the Canes as they don’t hit back team”.
2: Continue to hit but with an edge of “Screw it, we’re gonna get screwed anyways so hurt ’em”.
3: Ratchet down the number of hit hard but legal hits that seem to draw the attention of the zebras and continue to “find their identity”.
4: Say screw it and muddle until April.
Personally I like 3 and that is what I hope they’ll do.
OBTW, one thing I’ve been reading on other blogs from a relatively few fans is a sense that the league is “finally seeing that the Canes are a cheap hitting team and dives alot. Nice to see the calls going against them, ’bout time”.
Maybe I’m reading more into it so if anyone else sees that, it would be nice to know that there actually is a reservoir of hate out there for the Canes.
Never attribute to maliciousness what can be adequately explained by ignorance and never attribute to ignorance what can be adequately explained by unbridled sarcasm.
There is a reservoir of hate out there for the Canes. And it stems from our (relatively) recent success. The “old guard” doesn’t like the fact that we have a recent cup and a couple of recent ECF appearances and they don’t. That is all it is.
As for the cheap hits and diving, anybody who singles out a particular team for that charge is a complete and utter idiot. Every team will have a few “bad” hits. And every team has its embellishers. Hell, rumor has it that Jaroslav Spacek has been nominated for a Best Actor Oscar for his portrayal of Lazarus the other night. But this is just exaggeration, as Spacek’s depiction was not really that good. Everybody knows that it took Lazarus 4 whole days to come back from the dead, but Spacek somehow did it just 30 seconds after the major penalty was called.
“Obviously, we work extremely hard,” goaltender Cam Ward said. "We’re a little bit of a loose group that likes to have fun, but when you’re a loose group you’ve also got to be focused from the drop of the puck, and that’s one of the areas we can still improve upon.
“But we’ve shown we’ve been able to stick with it when we put our minds to it and are able to overcome some obstacles. When we face adversity, we can raise up.”
Not to harp, but if the goalie thinks there is a lack of discipline isn’t there a lack of discipline? Is it possible that this lack of discipline is at least in some small way responsible for the recent calls (Watson’s in the game against Anaheim, Cole’s major, Gleason’s major)? Is it possible that the players need to bare some of the blame here?
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I think he needs to concentrate on being loose in his positioning at times lately, but that’s just me being nitpicky.
Though I loathe to agree with you on anything (on general principle), I actually gulp agree with you on that quote and its implications. Basically, whether he meant it or not, he just said that they are f*#king off and are not focused and/or prepared before the games. And this is how it looks to a lot of us in the stands. And maybe, if they took things a bit more seriously to begin with, they would not have to “overcome some obstacles” or “face adversity” so often.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I knew you loved Brad Watson!! I f’ing knew it! All those rants were just passive aggressive love letters!
In all seriousness:
maybe, if they took things a bit more seriously to begin with, they would not have to "overcome some obstacles" or "face adversity" so often.
This is all I’m trying to get at. The margin between winning and losing in the NHL is getting smaller every year under the cap. It’s particularly thin for the Canes this year with the limited talent, the budget, the rebuild, etx. They can’t get new players, but they can try to get the players they do have to stay focused throughout the entire game.
Whose job that is is open to debate. I would say it’s some combination of Staal and Mo, but I’m not going to try and put a percentage on that here. I could also see an argument made that JR needs to acquire players who are disciplined. Regardless of whose job it is it’s something that the organization can work on and control the outcome. They can work on the PP, but they could always run in to a goaltender that stands on his head. They could work on the D, but Cam could have a poor night or a forward could make the shots you give him. Discipline though is something you can work on and control the results. It’s completely within the team to set a goal and achieve that without anything from another team or an official.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
I knew you loved Brad Watson!! I f’ing knew it! All those rants were just passive aggressive love letters!
Okay, you outed me. But you forgot Gord Dwyer and Tim Peel. I just have a soft spot for really bad officials. Except McGeough. I really didn’t like that guy…
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
The N&O ran more about the Canes attitudes toward hits this AM Canes approaching hits with caution
Sample:
“There’s a bit of recklessness that you have to add a little caution to,” Cole said Monday. “You can’t just go in there skating a million miles an hour and try and run someone. You have to be smart about your angles.”
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 28, 2010 10:36 AM EST reply actions
Then there’s this about Paul Devorski’s response to the fans in Columbus last night.
Several fans in Nationwide Arena’s section 109 tonight said NHL referee Paul Devorski made a “crying face” and an obscene gesture during the third period of the Blue Jackets’ 4-3 shootout win over the Wild.
He called Mike Commodore for a 5-minute Major too and Clutterbuck, who was hit, came back “miraculously” quickly.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 28, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Clutterbuck, who was hit, came back "miraculously" quickly.
I didn’t see the hit, but I’m okay with majors being called if there’s no injury. I’d even go as far as saying the call of the major on Gleason was okay if the rule is about hits to the head, as opposed to what I believe it is to be about blind side and lateral hits to the head. It should be the action that is penalized and not the outcome. The same action can result in an injury in one instance and in a player walking away in another. We can’t effectively legislate out outcomes, we can only legislate out actions. If the NHL wants certain actions gone then they have to come down on them hard regardless of the outcome.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
I would agree with this post, if you were talking about Cole’s hit rather than Gleason’s, because I can see the league taking a “strict liability” stance on boarding; regardless of outcome. However, in Gleason’s case, Gleason’s actions were perfectly legit. The only issue is that Gleason is a couple of inches taller, and Perrault lowered his head at an inopportune moment and got his own stick up into his own face. There was NO “real” penalty on that hit. It was a good and legal hit. Gleason got penalized solely for the outcome; and that is crap IMHO.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Gleason got penalized solely for the outcome;
This is the NHL, thats how penalties work.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Dec 28, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Well, yes. But you forgot the qualifier “unless you are Ovechkin, Crosby or some other indefinable untouchable”.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
[I]n Gleason’s case, Gleason’s actions were perfectly legit. The only issue is that Gleason is a couple of inches taller, and Perrault lowered his head at an inopportune moment and got his own stick up into his own face. There was NO "real" penalty on that hit. It was a good and legal hit. Gleason got penalized solely for the outcome; and that is crap IMHO.
DBSJ and I had this exact conversation via text and I was with you on that one. If the standard is “hits to the head” in the same way it’s “hits to the QBs knees” in the NFL then I think what Gleason did would be a penalty. IMO that standard sets the bar very low for what a head hit is and puts it all on the defensive player and none at all on the forward and that’s not something I would be in favor of.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
IMO that standard sets the bar very low for what a head hit is and puts it all on the defensive player and none at all on the forward and that’s not something I would be in favor of.
Exactly, because then, every forward would duck their head into the hit, then flop around on the ice like they were dying after EVERY check. Sometimes, the player being hit dictates the point of contact. If they are going to get that nitpicky, they may as well just ban hitting and fighting. And while they are at it, they can do away with pucks and shots and sticks (because they could hurt someone) and just have them skate around in pairs to crappy music while a panel of judges scores them on spins, jumps and “artistic expression”. Of course, if they did that, Jeff Skinner might just win the Hart trophy, but I digress…
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
flop around on the ice like they were dying after EVERY check.
I think the this may be the greater issue with the game @ this time. Every high stick is reacted to as if the player was riding in a convertible limo on Elm St. Every check near the boards becomes a guy on the ice until he realizes something is not going to be called ( Lookin at you here El Capi-tan).
The old guard sees this as softening up the game, and the causal fan thinks its soccer. Both will lead back to another dead puck era.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Dec 28, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
If the standard is "hits to the head" in the same way it’s "hits tothe QBsTom Brady or Peyton Manning’s knees" in the NFL
Fixed that for you…
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think I heard so I am curious if you, or anyone, knows if the penalty was called at the time of the hit or if it was called later as a result of the fight and injury on the ice. I seems that would indicate if the ref initially thought it was a legal hit.
by hotchipsnsalsa on Dec 28, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
The article in today’s N&O has a good run down. According to that the official had a double major for highsticking that he was going to call, but the linesman got involved even though he didn’t see the entire lead up. The game misconduct though is mandated if there is an injury to the head or face on a 5 minute charging penalty, so that was required once the charging penalty was called.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
double majorDouble Minor
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Dec 28, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Pfft, details are so unimportant. Just like poofreading.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
Totaletg over rated
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Dec 28, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I always knew you were a lazy poofreader.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
How exactly is the refs congregating, getting everybodies opinion (even the linesmen), and making a final decision any different that simply looking at the tape… Other than the fact that looking at the tape would have actually yielded the correct result of course. This just seems insane to me.
I can only imagine the conversation…
Ref 1 – “I’m pretty sure Gleason slashed him right across the face, 2 minutes high sticking”
Ref 2 – “Yeah, but look at all that blood… Definitely 4 minutes”
Linesman 1 – “I didn’t get a good look, but Gleason definitely slashed him right across the face… It was vicious”
Ref 1 – “Well, that changes things”
Linesman 2 – “I saw him charging him like an Elephant…”
Ref 1 – “Hmmm, I see, definitely game misconduct… Great work guys”
Well, I can see the hesitancy of going to the tape on calls, because that’s going to jam up the game if they’ve got to review every call.
My initial gut instinct was that the ref originally signalled the penalty thinking it was a high stick; but once play had stopped, the linesman told them it was obviously NOT a high stick. So the refs then called Gleason for charging instead; as they had already stopped play for a penalty and now had to come up with something. It was clearly not a boarding or a roughing or a slash, so the only thing left to save face was a charging penalty. The unfortunate thing is that calling that penalty with the injury makes the game misconduct penalty mandatory.
Officiating in the NHL is generally pretty horrible; however, a certain amount of that is the nature of the beast. It is a fast game, there are only 2 officials on the ice and nobody wants to see a game with 20 penalties called. As a result, you get some bad calls, and a lot of missed calls. The only thing I would like to see is more consistency, though that too is also probably nothing more than a pipe dream.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
In what other league are judgment calls by on field officials reviewed? None. A tape review can only inform boundary calls not judgment calls. Penalties are not boundary calls. They are judgment calls. If you want better officiating, get better officials, not more review.
Also, see the comments I’ve posted elsewhere about the unique nature of the delayed penalty and the impact on hockey. Once the arm goes up the game is irreversibly changed. At that point there can be no going back.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
As I said before, the 5 minute major is irreversible. Can’t take that back, I agree.
A Game Misconduct is a different situation, completely. How many game misconducts are given out each year due to hits like this? Not many. Would it be that difficult to add in a rule ensuring that game misconducts are given out justly? I don’t think so.
If the refs are joining into a committee with the goal of making the correct call… Then they are already second guessing their judgement. Is it so hard to add a 5th ref into that committee in the form of a video monitor?
Or… As it has been suggested before. Move one of the on-ice officials up to the video booth permanently. This would also solve this (and likely many other) problems.
As I said before, the 5 minute major is irreversible. Can’t take that back, I agree.
Fine, but once you stipulate the major for charging the game misconduct is mandatory given the injury to the players haed or face. And by mandatory I mean it is explicitly stated that if a player in the act of committing a major charging penalty causes an injury to another players head or face that player is automatically given a game misconduct and removed from the rest of the game. If you stipulate the charging you logically stipulate the game misconduct. Even if the officials saw that Perrault’s own stick caused the damage that was still a result of the major penalty and as such Gleason would have to be given the game misconduct.
Or… As it has been suggested before. Move one of the on-ice officials up to the video booth permanently. This would also solve this (and likely many other) problems.
How? How would penalties be called? How would a team know there was a delayed penalty coming up? How is a view from the camera better than a view from the ice surface?
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
The ref in the video booth doesn’t make penalty calls… He reviews plays and is a second set of eyes (with video review) who can help manage the game.
I just don’t understand how conferring with the other ref/linesmen to make the best call is any different than conferring with the video to make the best call. Can you explain that to me?
Initial judgment is already out the window. The initial call was high sticking… Yet it was changed after discussions with the other officials. That is the same exact concept as changing the call for the better after a video review.
It’s not that simple to just look at the video and make a determination of whether or not a penalty is appropriate. There is a certain amount of discretion involved. If you don’t believe that, then watch the video of this hit, and you make the call:
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Initial judgment of the linesman wasn’t thrown out the window and a linesman has the ability to inform the ref when it’s a major. What would have been reviewable in the situation with Gleason? In the judgment of the linesman Gleason charged Perrault. That was incorrect, but it was still the judgment of the linesman and no review would have over turned that.
Look, I’m all for getting the best call, but judgment calls will originate from on field officials up to and until robots take over officiating. Until then the on field official will have the final say of judgment calls. That’s the job of the on field official. If you want better calls you will have to get better officials not get more replay.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
Actually, I think having one less ref on the ice will make things worse (as far as actually policing the game). What they need to do is cut out the “mandatory” penalties and let the league take “supplemental discipline” with the aid of video review. Throwing a player out of a game won’t do nearly as much as suspending him for several and fining him out of his own pocket.
Now, having said that, I am laughing myself silly, as we all know that the actual “supplemental discipline” coming from Colin Campbell is the biggest joke in the entire world…
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think one of the main arguments for sending 1 ref up to the video booth is exactly what occurred on the hit. Two refs (and the 2 linesmen also in this case) seeing different things from different viewpoints leads to doubt, second-guessing, and sometimes changes the initial call.
But sometimes a call is purely judgmental. Video is not the definitive answer.
Check out this hit, and you tell me if it is a penalty:
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
It was overplayed
never well played, even in the 80s
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 28, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that they thought it was a high stick on Gleason speaks volumes about their competence.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I was a little shocked when I read that myself. I mean it happened fast, and a stick was there, but an official has got to know whose stick is whose.
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Or do a little forensic investigating and look for blood on a stick. A cut as bad as the one from that hit is going to leave some on the offending implement.
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by Douchebag St John on Dec 28, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s hard to see why the refs got the call wrong. It was only the slo-mo replay that made it possible to tell what really happened—that Perreault’s stick broke in two and the upper half bounced off something and came back and hit him the face. I don’t see how the refs could have seen that at the time. It was too fast and they were looking from angles that denied them a direct view of the broken stick. They would have had to be sitting in the stands to see it.
At full speed from the wrong angle, they saw Gleason hitting Perreault high and then saw blood pouring from Perreault’s face onto the ice. The natural inference was that Gleason’s hit caused the damage—but it was the wrong inference. I wonder how much it would slow down the game if refs were instructed to call what they see directly and in other cases of injury to stop play and watch a replay before making a call.
There have been very similar issues recently in pro football that make an interesting comparison with the call on Gleason. In footbal, they’re calling penalties for high hits in an effort to prevent head hunting and concussions, which are real problems. But about half the calls made have been wrong. Slo-mo replays show the defender didn’t hit the receiver’s head at all—it just looked that way. In football, I think the wrong calls are a reasonable price to pay in order to reduce serious head injuries.
The Gleason hit to Perreault’s face was a similar phantom hit. It never happened. But there was an added element—the unusual breaking of the other player’s stick and the chance bounce that put the broken end of the upper half of the stick into Perreault’s face. That part was a freak accident.
Phantom hit + freak accident = wrong call and game misconduct.
by curiouscanesfan on Dec 28, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Except that the linesman DID see that it was not a high stick and told the refs so. They then changed the call from high sticking to charging.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good point, but that wouldn’t rule out a Gleason hit to Perreault’s head that might have directly caused the injury with no stick involved.
by curiouscanesfan on Dec 28, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
The point here is that the ref called the play dead for a high stick. However, the linesman saw that it was NOT a high stick and told the refs that. If the ref had called a charge from the get-go, there would be no issue. However, he didn’t. And if he didn’t see a charge (which he didn’t, since that was not his original call), then there should be no penalty. The charging call was a CYA maneuver on the refs’ part.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well, at first glance, that hit DID look like a flying elbow to the head from Commodore. And it did look like Commodore went looking for that hit. Whether or not it should have been 2 or 5 is up for debate. But that hit was much more of a clear-cut penalty than Gleason’s or Cole’s, IMHO.
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
The real gripe I'm reading here
and my own feelings of course, is the inconsistency on the calls. It is one thing to not call penalties against the superstars AS often of the typical journeyman of the sport (all sports do that). It is when the calls are so skewed as to make them seem more like game breakers or ways to keep the outcome they way the front office of the NHL wants the teams to line up.
Malkin regularly mugs opposing players, Ovenchicken leaves his feet and goes after knees and Crosby. Well Crosby. All another player has to do is say something mean and there’s a double major: Interference and drawing tears from his kid-ness.
There really is no way to fix that is there?
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There really is no way to fix that is there?
Yes, there is. Better officials and a league committed to a standard of enforcement. Look at the NFL. They did it. The NHL probably can’t get as good as the NFL due to the speed and continuous flow of the game, but they can get close.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
One word.
Crews.
There is no reason that these guys are not working as crews. It would be better for the game. The guys would be able to truly work as a team and the players would know what to expect, just like baseball and football.
" Watson and St. Leraunt tonight, keep your sticks down and don’t fart wrong "
or
" The ’Stache and The Hair tonight, everything short of disembowelment is ok "
Officiating crews would actually Yield some sort of true consistency to officiating and therefore the game.
it always burns within
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when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Dec 28, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
A true Once in a Lifetime of an album.
it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed
by Douchebag St John on Dec 28, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Stop
You’ve went way past burning down that house
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This thread has become a road to nowhere.
by drifterscape on Dec 28, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
True Stories
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These bad calls are more like Sand in the Vaseline…
by East of Here on Dec 28, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
When Psycho killers start making that much sense,
time to look at the calendar for Dec 2012 and Niribu for the time is near
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Excellent roundup, as always
Thanks, HMo2.
Let’s hope the Canes can dispel some gray clouds tonight. With the Leafs awful on the PK, using a backup goalie and having lost 3 of their last 4, there’s a chance the Canes will break out of their power play slump. But even if they don’t, you’ve given the clouds a silver lining—the reports from the world junior championships, including video of Faulk’s goal and an impressive pass by Rissanen that contributed to a goal for the Finns. The future looks a bit brighter, even if distant.
by curiouscanesfan on Dec 28, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions
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