Carolina Falls Flat in Edmonton: Oilers 4, Hurricanes 2
by Bob Wage on Feb 2, 2010 1:40 AM EST
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In just two days the Carolina Hurricanes went from beating one of the best teams in the league, to losing to the NHL's worst. The Edmonton Oilers had not yet won a game in 2010, but they finally put an end to their 13 game winless streak when they met the league's previous doormat, the Hurricanes on Monday night at Rexall Place..
The Canes had been through their own 14 game losing streak earlier in the season and had been in the league's basement for some time, although the team felt as though they had turned a corner this month. But after taking a 1-0 lead on a long shot by Andrew Alberts, the team seemed to sit back a bit and allowed the Oilers to take over.
Both Paul Maurice and Eric Staal spoke after the game and said that they did not like the team's start, but felt that they got better as the game went along. The turn-around was not good enough to beat the Oilers though, who played like they wanted this one more than the Canes did.
Alberts scored his goal just 2:42 into the game when Brandon Sutter won a faceoff and sent the puck right back to him. Perhaps the Canes felt like this was going to be an easy affair, because they generated few scoring chances in the first period after that goal.
Instead of fading away, the Oilers picked up steam and tied the score shortly afterward when Jean-Francois Jacques knocked in a goal.
At the 15 minute mark, Gilbert Brule scored and the Oilers jumped out to a 2-1 lead.
Midway through the second period, Joni Pitkanen hooked up with Jussi Jokinen again, and the redhot Finn backhanded a shot past goalie Jeff Deslauriers. The Canes seemed to have momentum and looked like they might turn the game around.
But Edmonton scored twice again later in the period and would take back the lead for good. First, Marc Pouliot shoveled a puck toward Ward from the side of the net and it went in off Niclas Wallin's skate. Then Sam Gagner knocked in a juicy rebound during a powerplay chance to put the Oilers up by two.
During the third period, the Canes were able to put on more pressure in the Edmonton zone, but were not able to create many quality chances. The club had a total of 35 shots on goal, but four of those were taken from outside the blueline, and many of the rest were from past the slot area. Check out this link to see a shot chart for more information. (click on "total" above the rink to see total shots.)
Not only were most of the official shots on goal from too far out, the Canes missed the net a total of 18 times as well. It simply was not a good outing for the visitors.
Next up will the the Calgary Flames on Wednesday night.
Game Notes:
- Eric Staal picked up a second assist on the Jokinen goal to keep his scoring streak alive. He now has points in nine straight games.
- According to John Forslund, Cam Ward had an "average night" and could have used some more scoring support in this one. Edmonton's fourth line scored twice and when the grinders score twice, that is never a good sign.
- Joni Pitkanen has also had better nights, but he did have another good pass to his buddy, Jussi Jokinen for a primary assist. The defenseman played 31 plus minutes and had four shots on goal, but also took two bad penalties.
- Brandon Sutter was unbelievable in the faceoff circle and won 79% of his draws, (11-14). He was the only Hurricane above 50%. The team finished at 48%.
- The Canes were credited with more giveaways (13) than hits (11).
- Carolina played this game with just 11 forwards. Supposedly, they were hoping that Erik Cole could play, but he was not able to. Chad LaRose, (UBI), never made the trip. Would playing the extra forward have made a difference? What if Ruutu and Cole can't play again on Wednesday, do they skate short a man again?
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I was only able to follow the first two periods on my iphone via canes country. I saw the third period. I am looking forward to seeing the entire game on my dvr. I noted that Brind’Amour was +/- -1 for a total of -25 to regain his hold on the worst in the NHL. The Hurricanes are still trying hard, which is commendable. I prefer them to lose enough games to stay 30th or 29th.
Maybe we will see Aaron Ward traded soon. The media chatter related to A. Ward and Wallin is staying fairly constant. Maybe even Brind’Amour will be traded — hope springs eternal.
The canes ame out with “lead legs” in the first period, which seems to set the tone for the rest of the game. Jet lag was blamed…my booty !! And i still feel Joni Pitkanen doesn’t have to answer to any critics except the coaching staff & his team mates which are the harshest “critics” that really do count over the rest of the septic tankful of those "critics’ who feel he must…And Pitkanen answers them by putting the puck where it is needed…behind them .as they struggle to keep up most of the time…is Joni pitkanen a hockey god ? heck no !! just a guy who likes to play, is sorta shy and lets his play and ice time speak for it’s self…critics…Bah !! Humbug !
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We stayed up till what time to watch that craptastic game? Today is gonna be a long day….
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
Having only yet seen the 3rd period, I would say the Hurricanes are a playoff team shackled by the ineptitude of A. Ward, the lack of skating ability by Brindy and Wallin, and the weight of revolving injuries. The end result is a team that loses 4 to 2 to Edmonton.
Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin are almost within our grasp.
Need to beat a different drum for this one.
The woes were teamwide (except for maybe Sutter and a couple of others I would not want to paint with a broad brush).
Again, I only saw the third period and the scoring highlights they showed. It was very odd that the Hurricanes didn’t have a four complete forward lines. Still, bearing in mind that I only saw the third period and highlights, the terrible trio seemed to be on the ice when bad things happened during the third period and on scoring plays against the Hurricanes in the first two periods based on highlights — and that is a recurring theme with the Hurricanes this year. What happened during the first two periods, I will have the dubious pleasure of seeing when I watch the DVR. I feel certain you are correct that A.Ward, Wallin, and Brind’Amour had plenty of help in the poor performance. It sounded as if Cam Ward has a lackluster game.
Typical MO…er…..MOtivation….beat the best lose to the worst….without Souray, no less. Nice job guys.
+1 Chris and even with all the injured back they isn’t the Blackhawks.
Crap game. Yuck. Limp effort from most of the roster.
Keep Brandon away from Brent is all I have to say.
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Yeah they sucked. But for some reason I’m smiling about it this morning. I think you could have seen this coming. There’s a lot going on and they didn’t show up. They knew (believed) it wasn’t worth it. Somehow I think Ruutu was what was missing – he wouldn’t have let those little forwards have it so easy.
The Flames made another trade last night and sent the Other Jokinen to the Rangers for Kotalik and Higgins. The headlines say there is panic in Sutterland. They have 12 wingers now.
Wonder what happens with the Corvo/Carson problem? Carson’s family drove from Regina to see him in Edmonton and will be at Calgary too. It’d be nice if he wasn’t on a plane to Albany.
Should be another interesting game.
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Forslund was on the radio this morning and said that he thought somone might be moved today to clear up a roster spot for the whole Carson-Emergency Callup-Waivers scenario.
I guess we can only speculate what “being moved” means.
Forslund interview
Here’s the link to that interview.
What he’s saying about the roster situation, is that it might be easier to remove someone off the roster via trade (player for pick/prospect, so not on the roster) instead of sending Carson down.
I know you looked it up in the gamethread, but is the deal that they have to put Carson waivers if they want to send him to Albany? Is that the risk that he’ll get picked up?
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Carson and waiver rules
Carson signed his first 3-year contract with us in the summer of 2006, when he was 20 years old.
Under the CBA, a player that signs his first contract at that age is only protected from waivers for the first three (3) years of their pro career when they move up and down from the AHL.
Time was up on that exemption this summer, so UNLESS Carson was brought up as an emergency call-up (which he was for Corvo’s injury, I believe) he would be exposed to being claimed each time he moved back down.
So, this is NOT an issue for this send-down, as I understand it.
That means they either really just want to keep him up, or maybe that he’s exposed as he’s called upward next time (unless for an emergency), and they just don’t want to expose him.
But, I don’t think that’s how it works. I think the exposure is as you’re sent down, not as you’re called up (anyone know?).
Waiver exposure vs. roster limits
Confirmed that the exposure is when the player is reassigned to the AHL, not on the call-up.
So, Carson is not exposed this time, due to the emergency call-up rule which specifically exempts whoever you call up.
Not sure if the exact player called up has to go back down before the injured player returns. Would have no choice but to send Carson down on paper, if nothing else, if that were the case.
I think this has more to do with another aspect of the emergency call-up rule, which allows you to temporarily exceed the roster limit. In other words, the injured player doesn’t have to immediately be placed on IR to make room for the call-up. That decision can be made later (and retroactively).
I haven’t counted heads, nor who remains on IR and who’s just out, but maybe we are over limit if Corvo comes off IR, and THAT’s the issue, not Carson and waiver issues.
Carson’s recall was not under emergency circumstances.
RALEIGH, NC—Jim Rutherford, President and General Manager of the National Hockey League’s Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that the team has recalled defenseman Brett Carson from the Albany River Rats of the American Hockey League. Carson will join the team for its game tonight at Mellon Arena against the Pittsburgh Penguins.
When people have been recalled under emergency circumstances, they’ve said so in the releases. Example:
RALEIGH, NC—Jim Rutherford, President and General Manager of the National Hockey League’s Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that the team has recalled forward Patrick Dwyer from Albany of the American Hockey League (AHL). Dwyer, 25, is being recalled on an emergency basis after Hurricanes right wing Patrick Eaves sustained an upper-body injury in Carolina’s game on Sunday against Nashville.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 2, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, then big-time trouble in Carson-land by my read.
He’s vulnerable to waivers on the way back down, if I understand the rules correctly.
Not sure why they’d place themselves in such a position, but if they have, then indeed someone has to go (perhaps today?) whose last name isn’t Carson.
The CBA chart is actually this:
So by my count, he’d be OK this year seeing that this is his fourth-year and he has not played 60 NHL games. But there are loopholes left and right.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 2, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Ah! What I was looking at didn’t have that all-important last column of “games played”.
So, we read this as the player has to satisfy BOTH columns, then? Years from signing AND games played before being eligible?
Seems like this would defeat the players purpose of trying to make sure they didn’t become indentured servants to a org’s minor team and could get new chances at the NHL level if buried too long, but maybe it is both and not reaching just one of the criteria.
I think the Games Played column supersedes the years. So if you play 160 in three seasons, you’re now waiver eligible. But I don’t think it goes the other way around. But I’m not a laywer … lol
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 2, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, that kind of blows that theory. Although the emergency situation was mentioned several times over the last day or so by Forslund, Chuck, etc. But you’re right that the communication out of the Canes organization would likely be explicit in that regard.
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I’m trying to get some clarification …
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 2, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure I get that, however, unless it is a D-man that is moved.
We’re still a forward short, unless Cole can return.
Maybe everyone (Cole?) thought the Edmonton stage for that first game back was a bit much?
But, if Corvo coming back floods the roster, the best way to relieve that pressure would be to move a D-man.
BTW – thanks for the link. He makes it sound like something is up. AWard? Wallin?
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watching last night’s game, and comparing it to the past few seasons’ worth, i’m convinced we won’t see much of a DEFENSIVE drop-off if we move Pitkanen. He is an awesome passer, to be sure, but jeezum crow he’s out of positiong, slow, and WILL NOT HIT anybody. Wallin is god-awful as is aaron ward. I felt bad for Cammie last night…
Joni
I’d have to disagree…i certainly don’t think Joni played a great game last night (really, who did?). But otherwise I see a very calm defenseman who hits when he needs to, carries the puck like only Staal can on a powerplay, and CRISP passing. I think at times he’s the driving force on offense on certain shifts. He’s certainly not a “hockey God” like someone earlier said…but I think losing Joni is a huge mistake.
To be sure Pits didn’t have his best game last night but to say we wouldn’t be worse defensively if he were moved boggles my mind. Let’s remember a few things before making that “I have a short memory statement.” He logged 31 mins. TOI,had an assist,and most likely saved at least 1 goal against last night in breaking up 2 grade A scoring chances in front of Cam’s net. As far as him not hitting anyone….Really?…Have you watched any games this year?…He has shown that he has a pretty nasty element to his game all season. He’s 1 of only maybe 2 or 3 players on this team that can put a pass on your stick regularly. It still amazes me how many people don’t recognize the huge value he is to this team. Sure,he makes mistakes but you name 1 player in the entire NHL who doesn’t. His benefits far outweigh his liabilities.
by MCF on Feb 2, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed MCF…I’d argue that Joni is actually one of the most valuable pieces of this team, and I’m looking at it from both a defensive and offensive point of view. The guy is a key part of any team that wants to remain strong defensively while also getting a nice push and a great passer on offense
No doubt…He’s 1 of the “untouchables” on this team in my book. He and Gleason are the core players on D for this team.
Completely agree. I don’t see how you could improve this team next year if Joni isn’t a part of it. I like Corvo, when he’s healthy he can be a real force with his hard shot from the point. But given the choice between Corvo and Joni..gotta go with the Fin
You would improve by simple subtraction. This team improves instantly without Brindy, Yelle and A.Ward.
Just sayin’
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I absolutely agree — The only guy I’d hesitate slightly with is Yelle who sometimes is a shot-blocking machine and occasional adds something, but yes, with those three out of the picture I think we’d see many fewer turnovers in our own zone, as well as fewer odd-man chances as a result of A. Ward pinching when he shouldn’t and letting the puck roll behind him…
Pitts has been the best d-man imo when it comes to 1 on 1’s. He makes easy-looking poke checks or physical plays that totally deflate rushes. He does it at least once per game, usually twice.
I think Forslund has said this before… but I really think because Pitkanen appears so calm on defense and even on offense with guys in his face sometimes people think he’s not putting the effort out there or he’s simply not as good as advertised.
Maybe this has something to do with people’s gripes about him? I see fairly consistent effort out of him. He’s a key piece of the team.
Out-skated
Could see it in their legs most of the game, for one that watches flow…and a lot of hockey.
Edmonton was skating, particularly in the latter portion of the game, and the results followed.
Staal returned to his floating ways, unfortunately, although I’m just using him mostly as the canary for what else was wrong in the mine. He had lots of company.
For subsequent thread discussions about re-establishing a true fourth line, along with its traditional role, on future Canes teams, Edmonton’s fourth line serves as an excellent example of just what such a properly constituted line can do for a team.
They were deadly effective. Hustled every shift, created chaos, pinned us down, drew penalties, scored back-breaking goals, inspired the team.
I was envious.
Reminds me that we not only missed Ruu, but Rosey too. They were sleep walking and I was watching Staal to see if he would take over and lead them out of the abyss. He didn’t . Maybe he thought they all needed to take a game off after the last couple weeks.
Sutter and Tlusty were the only forwards really moving their legs. Tlusty is a find.
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Tlusty is indeed a find and a rare positive for this season.
Realistically, he’s RFA this summer and our right side is already under contract four-deep (Ruutu/Jokinen/Kostopoulos/Yelle), so someone has to go to make room for him if we think we could negotiate fair value.
Heck, even finding decent ice time for him may be tough. So, maybe we better enjoy him while we have him.
He’s a beautiful band-aid that now anchors the right wing on our checking line. Good intel from Mo, I suspect, on this find.
Yelle will be gone.
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Agreed, but who among that group deserves fourth line minutes (at least the way we currently use a fourth line)?
Unless, as I have begun to hint, we return to a true fourth line and use it differently than we have recently (admittedly more by desperation of available parts, and not by choice).
These excess of talent problems, by the way, are excellent “problems” to have. :-D
Next year? Maybe Dwyer centering TKO & Rosey? – make sure they get 12 min TOI
Not sure really. But those guys would be a nightmare to deal with.
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They are the kind of players you want on your ideal fourth line.
Relentless energy the ENTIRE shift. Just 45 seconds of hell on ice.
Sets the tone for the other three lines, ideally out-talents and definitely out-hustles the opposition’s fourth line match-up along with third-pairing D-men, draws penalties (which hustle will do), pins down the other team in their own zone and lets us slip out elements of the first line on them.
I want that.
Agree with Elsker
I agree on Tlusty. I think he’s going to be a good find. Not spectacular so far, but quite solid on both ends of the ice (and for those of you who thought it was an intentional double entendre when I posted it last night, it wasn’t LOL!) and still very young with lots to learn, but he seems to have a good foundation.
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Rosie
Agreed – I remember thinking last night that Larose may have really added a needed jump last night. Probably wouldn’t have done a whole heck of a lot in swaying the game, but i noticed a gaping hole last night where usually you find his energy on that line
Agree with HM
Ruuts and Rosey… definitely missed BOTH of them last night. Either one could have been just the spark we needed.
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+1 to this.
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Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Feb 2, 2010 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well...
If the lottery involves not only your record, but who beat who – looks like we should move past Edmonton for #1 pick. :)
If Ray Whitney does not retire a Carolina Hurricane, I'll go egg Jim Rutherfords car and TP his house.
the lottery is based on your position in the standings only.
by camwardsaysno on Feb 2, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
pretty lame
yeah. that is pretty lame. :(
If Ray Whitney does not retire a Carolina Hurricane, I'll go egg Jim Rutherfords car and TP his house.
Stupid NHL!
So I couldn’t watch the game last night because it was blacked out in my area! Are you kidding me?! I live in Manitoba Canada…Edmonton is 14 hours away! We don’t have the Jets anymore and now I have to deal with “Local” blackouts! Arghh! For what it’s worth it appears I would have been more upset if I watched the game considering the effort!
TV
When I lived in Charleston, South CAROLINA I would routinely miss games because they decided to put women’s college basketball on instead…great marketing for a CAROLINA team!
That still happens here, at least once a week. I once missed a game for womens college bowling. No lie.
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Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Feb 2, 2010 10:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha! I believe it…are you in SC? My biggest gripe was that if you’re not going to show the game on FSN, then don’t list it on my on-screen guide! Leading up to gametime I’d basically sit there and flip a coin as to whether I’d be able to see hockey or Tennesee women’s basketball…
It got to the point where I wrote a letter to the N&O guy who wrote a column about sports on TV. I also emailed a rep from FSN in Atlanta searching for answers and she told me it was all up to the individual cable companies…which explains why on Comcast Cable I would get basketball, and a friend living 5 minutes away on Time Warner Cable got the Canes game!
I am in SC-Clemson more specifically. And what irritates me the most is that Atlanta’s games are always on no matter what other sporting events there are. I don’t want to watch them! LOL
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Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Feb 2, 2010 11:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep. “Turner Sports South” I believe carries all those Atlanta games. Now that I’m back in Raleigh its smooth sailing. Although now I gripe that not EVERY game is in HD…I should count my blessings.
Trade Today?
Let’s remember Bob called this last night if something does go down today. Twitters should blow up soon, hang on.
Staal + Jussi = GOAL
by canescup on Feb 2, 2010 9:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If it’s a bad trade, Bob jinxed it.
If it’s a good trade, Thank God for Staal?
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Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
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The Black Hawks had an off-night and the ‘Canes were able to beat them 4-2. ’Canes had an off-night and the Oilers were able to beat them 4-2. Nothing to see here, move on.
I have yet to travel to Edmonton but i hear it’s a long journey.
Chicago may have been a LITTLE off..but I saw them generate an amazing amount of scoring chances. They looked fast that night, great passing, lots of rushes. I think the difference had to have been Cam. He was sensational. Canes definitely looked flat last night though, Edmonton had the jump – agree with you there.
WHAT? Joe Corvo in the running for Team USA?
Carolina’s Joe Corvo and Anaheim’s Ryan Whitney are the most likely candidates to be named as replacements. Corvo is an all-round defenseman with good leadership abilities. Whitney, meanwhile, has the puck-moving and transition skills that will lessen the impact of Martin’s loss.
From Shawn Roarke. scroll down to the piece about Paul Martin withdrawing from this morning. This is out of nowhere.
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Apparently, Roarke heard “Carolina defenseman” from his source and didn’t bother listening to the rest.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
Corvo played in the 1997 World Junior Championship in Switzerland.
You know how eat up with internal politics the USA team selection process is. If you’re not one of ’em, you barely exist, it seems.
Doesn’t seem to be about assembling “best talent available”.
If he weren’t hurt, he would be an outside possibility. But he hasn’t played in 3 months. Burke knows that. Roarke, apparently, does not.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
These are the same people who selected J.Johnson. So logic doesn’t apply so much.
by drifterscape on Feb 2, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Hard to say if Corvo will still be a Hurricane by the time the Olympics come around…
by HowieHurricane on Feb 2, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Hell, I’ll trade him for two slices of bread at this point.
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Maybe one slice would fly, but two slices may be asking too much.
Unless it’s cheap white bread. And then it’s a possibility.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
two pieces of white bread, crust removed for A. Ward. Bottom line.
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Hmmmm…we may have to take the crust too.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
And Dunkin Donuts. They love their Dunkin Donuts.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
If he does read this blog, I think I might just feel bad for him….
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Yeah…but on the other hand, shouldn’t he be smart enough not to google himself?e
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
Someone on the Canes FB page is saying this: “Tim Gleason got the call at 1am to play on the Olympic team!!!! Just thought the caniac nation should know”
Just went and looked at that post. I’m VERY skeptical about it. Not to say it isn’t true, but the only way someone outside of the organization would know that is if they’re a personal friend of Tim Gleason, and if I’m a friend of Tim Gleason I don’t go squealing information that’s not public yet.
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Yeah same here. That’s the kind of thing you keep quiet until it’s official.
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Gleason for Emperor!
by caniacgirl on Feb 2, 2010 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I had a tweet about that…. But I’m not sure how the person who tweeted it is affiliated w/ the team…. I haven’t seen an “official” statement from the Carolina Hurricanes or Team USA.
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 2, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Carson Is On Emergency Recall
I got an e-mail back from Kyle Hanlin. Carson was on emergency recall, but it was not included in the release because “sometimes we’re told and sometimes we’re not.”
I’m not sure … I’m guessing they want to keep Carson playing, since he’s done so well. Does that mean Ward gets moved or Wallin waives his NTC this time? I dunno.
by Cory Lavalette on Feb 2, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I’m still not convinced Wallin will waive the NTC, cup contender or otherwise.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
I am seriously convinced that he would rather retire than play for another team…..
And I am still baffled and confused as to why everyone hates him….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 2, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Roster limit issues?
I’m not sure what’s fueling the “gotta do something today” buzz, if there’s not an issue about having to send down Carson to make room for Corvo.
We’ve determined above that we don’t think there’s an emergency rule issue dictating that Carson has to go back down before the injured player returns, so that’s not an issue.
I also don’t see a roster limit issue, since we still have two players on IR (Walker and Corvo), so they would not count. Other injured players have not been placed on IR, they’re just out injured, so still count against the “active roster”.
Even taking Corvo off IR, assuming he’s ready, and increasing the active roster by one, I still count 23 bodies on the active roster, plus Walker on IR (doesn’t count).
So, we look fine to me, other than perhaps wanting to reduce payroll.
I’m not sure we’re time-constrained.
The highest up I have heard talking about these trade things today has been John Forslund. Haven’t heard anyone higher up than him say anything yet. Although I am inclined to believe him over people like eklund and others.
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Well, I’m inclined to believe, should it start talking, the burrito I’m eating for lunch over Eklund.
Forslund is employed by FSS, but subject to the team’s approval. I don’t think he’d be talking unless he had good sources that didn’t mind too much if it got out.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
+/-
Plus/minus is an elusive indicator of individual or team performance, but a useful analytic tool nonetheless.
I tend to look at plus/minus accounts more with an analog eye than a digital one, gauging whether the needle is trending upward or downward more than obsessing about actual plus/minus levels. The statistic can be too situational at times to put undue worth upon it.
However, after saying all of that, I’m just noting for the record who managed to carve out at least a plus-1 reading from last night’s game: Alberts, Carson, and Sutter.
Good job, guys.
Alberts
I’m just glad that Alberts got a goal and some face time last night. I really have liked this guy’s game all year even through stretches where he wasn’t showing up a ton on the scoresheet. He’s a guy that I really hope we hold onto. Great size, his hits at home get the crowd riled up. I used to see him as somewhat of a turnover machine in his own end but he seems to really be coming around
He was the guest at our table at this year’s season-opening charity lunch event, so will therefore be experiencing the Elsker-bump this year, previously enjoyed by rising stars like Tim Gleason and Greg Stefan. :-D
Good guy. All we asked of him was that he NOT let opposing players fire at will on Cam from the crease, like we had just witnessed the season before.
He said “lot of that been going on, eh?” and then said he’d do what he could to stop that. LOL!
That’s great stuff. He does seem like a great guy. Its just nice to have some size this year, especially on defense.
He must still scare Mo because he only had 10:35 last night even after scoring early.
Meanwhile, Joni gets 31:25 in some insidious plan to get him injured to help our draft position.
Probably just because we were playing from behind and Mo always shortens the bench and rides the top talent hard in that kind of situation.
Last four games before this one, Alberts was averaging in the mid-teens for TOI.
lol, this is kinda random, but did anyone else see Jussi trip over the ref after he scored that goal? i thought it was kinda funny… don’t worry Jussi, we still love you
by silent_shadow36 on Feb 2, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions
Had to go back and try to figure that one out slo-mo. Looked like the official inadvertently stuck a leg out (lost his balance?) just a Jussi passed him by.
Caught his trailing leg, and down he went. Had to go back because I thought at first that he was the victim of a late Edmonton revenge hit after scoring the goal.
yea thats what i thought at first too…
by silent_shadow36 on Feb 2, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Gleason wasn’t mentioned in the top 5 for an Olympic spot on NHL Live. They just interviewed Hansey.
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And a feww minutes later Allen mentions him as the number 1 rpl. for Martin…
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http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/John-…tice/128/25972
Andrew Ladd leaves practice early… Hmmmm, anyone smell a JR move?
I wouldn’t mind having Ladd back… But I really do not see that happening…. We would probably have to give up too much to get him back…
Plus… I’m not convinced that Chicago would trade him… even though everything you read suggest otherwise….
and again… you never know….
I feel like a damned politician w/ my flip-floppy view point…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 2, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Other than tripps seen him in the shower just why exactly do we want him back? Not like he sets anything on fire when he plays. He owns without doubt the worst, WORST shoot out attempt (the one he comes screaming in falls on his face in the slot and slides into the corner in a heap, priceless!).
All we need is another underacheiver pulling salary. A Ward? Are we learning? Cole? How about instaed of just saying he’s batter than whomever we have, let’s go out and get a real good player.
I mean Ladds better than some of the crap we have, but other than being famliiar with the area, what does he bring?
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“Big body on the wing that can score” heard the same crap about Cole. Why not make a play for Kovalchuck? Screw Cole, Ladd, Brindy, and Yelle. Trade Whitney and Cullen and let’s bring in a game changer.
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Minus Ladd of course, that’s enough salary for almost any player in the league.
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This has to be the most seriously insane thing I have ever heard you say. Kovalchuck? Do you even watch his game? You complain about overpayment and floating by Staal and ask for Kovalchuck. Can the guy score, no doubt, but he often does so at the expense of the team game at large. Not only that, but even if he was a complete 2 way player, we would hold ourselves hostage to the cap, ala Tampa Bay during the RIchards, St Louis, Lecavalier years. We need to do alot of things, but overpaying for a guy who is a me first defenisve liability on a team with a less than all star Defense is like asking to win by increasing our goals against.
One-Not my point. Point was Ladd does nothing for this team. Alot of better ways to piss money away.
Two-Don’t care about Kovlachuck, any player that that actually makes great plays, like the guys you listed. Not Ladd. Kovlachuck in the right place I think will shine, BTW.
Three-you are wrong about the cap. If JR didn’t lie again, we will be working to make the minimum if we don’t sign some contracts. 50% is a big chunk of coin.
Four-Not even close to the most insane thing I have said. Trade Staal for a bag of pucks comes to mind.
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No sweat man! Me and Wylde have been going back and forth for over a year now.
Most insane thing I ever said, sheeeit, he should know better. I spout some stuff.
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A year? We go back further than that don’t we. At least since the days of blogspot and the old canes country shield logo!
And you are right, not the most insane thing, just the most insane thing I thought you may actually believe.
I will agree, Ladd is not the answer in my eyes either. I want to see two types of players: 1. Big dumb hulking forwards who like to get cross checked by goalies and elbowed by opposing forwards for parking in front of the goalie, and a true top pairing shutdown defenseman. No offense to Gleason who is doing a good job at what he does, I want to see a pick of the litter type.
Bingo, that was sorta my point.
and yea, it’s probably more like 2 or more years. (CG was a teenager…)
Time flys, eh?
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I gotcha, I just could not see past the whole idea of Kovy in a canes sweater.
Now his old line mate Marc Savard OTOH……………
Figured I hit a button!
Writes that one down for future irritation..
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I threw that out there, I really don’t want to know.
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Andrew Ladd
My guess is that Andrew Ladd and Laviolette didn’t get along for whatever reason. Ladd is doing an excellent job in Chicago of battling in front of the net and playing the role of a power forward. Of course, Chicago has so much speed and skilled talent on the team, it makes Ladd’s role much easier than on some teams.
I would not be shocked to see Andrew Ladd return to Carolina because Chicago just can’t keep its entire team together.
A Dman for winger would fix our current roster imbalance. I have no inside info, but my gut tells me that Wallin won’t go anywhere, which leaves Award — unless JR has a blockbuster in his pocket.
Occam’s Razor tells us that the least unlikely event will occur least often. I think the Canes will keep their unbalanced roster until JR feels like he can get the value he’s after. From a big picture standpoint, there’s absolutely no reason to make a move just to make a move.
The Canes have roughly two weeks until the roster freeze and 3 days after the Olympics to make changes. The rumor mill will be at warp speed during the Olympics. Will we look back on this cold, icy February as the time the Canes were reshaped into a Cup contender? Or we will we have the same emotions we have now about the 2009 preseason roster moves?
But moves will have to be made. Shedding 50% of the players I believe was the statement. That combined with the simple fact this franchise cannot chuck another stinker of a year like this one. They gotta do something and by next year. Even if it’s minimum cap and serious rebuild with raw talent.
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Chip is reporting that we will have a 20 man roster for tomorrow night, but no word as to who that 20th guy is.
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Gleason for Emperor!
20 man? “something is afoot at the circle K”
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I make fun of the promo spots for “Fringe” and “Bones” (two of my favorite current shows). They have these little snippits in their commercials and promos that read stuff like “So Mysterious!” or “So Compelling!”. I almost feel like we should have that sh!t on Canes commercials lately.
1. Love Bones.
2. Agreed. I can’t believe they don’t know who the replacement guy is.
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Keep an eye on twitering tweety thing, may be a guy from somewhere else…
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“The drama that is …Bones..”
The apathy that is..Canes..
Really!
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Wouldn’t surprise me if it someone already in the system. I have been glued on here all damn day waiting for something to happen.
I feel like I should get a refund for my lost time.
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But, at least something has gone down today in the FO.
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Wut?
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20-man roster means one more than yesterday evening, so maybe it’s just Cole coming back, which was reported to be feasible during this road trip.
Hmmm, is that good or bad?
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That’s what I thought too, but why not just come out and say that? Because if there’s any doubt that he will play, they have to have a backup in mind.
:shrugs: I don’t know. We’re all micro-analyzing everything these days.
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As much as I hate trades, I think I hate the waiting more.
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This feels like a summer thread, just vulturing waiting for a new post…
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yeah but all this waiting lets my revise my old standby “WTF is JR thinking” post and also to revise my inevitable follow up “Geez, I really ate crow on that first post” post.
Chip’s just listening to Mo’s post practice interview and regurgitating it, no other real insight there.
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by LTD on Feb 2, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
puckdrops tweets this
From @DarrenDreger on the TSN trade chat: at least one team is prepared to offer a first rounder plus a prospect for Whitney.
less than 10 seconds ago from UberTwitter
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Please please please be Luca Caputi.
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You can get one of them at Starbucks I think…
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Darren Drager
Here’s the source for that.
And the question/answer that produced the “soundbite”:
Geoff, Yorkton, ON: Any other players besides Ray Whitney and Matt Cullen on their way out of Carolina? I have heard Joe Corvo’s name as well. What would Carolina expect back and which teams have interest in the Canes’ players?
Darren Dreger: Walker, Ward, Alberts, Yelle, Wallin, Legace. The Carolina Hurricanes are rebuilding with Eric Staal, Cam Ward, and potentially the first overall pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft to lead the construction. A number of teams have interest in the players both you and I have identified. I know at least one team is prepared to give up a first rounder and a prospect for Whitney.
I also heard him make this statement on NHL Live, but this is the only place I’ve seen it in writing.
Apologies to Darren Dreger for the misspell of his last name above.
He’s been an excellent source for sane trade rumors throughout this whole period…unlike some.
You can pretend anything is a dig at Eklund. Or “Malkin to the Kings”.
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Wow…that’s a lot of dead kittens.
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Just happy in the knowledge
that Olli Jokinen is back in conference so we can see his ugly mug more than once a year. YAY us. I hate that douche
i was looking at the schedule a few minutes ago for this very reason – we don’t get to see him until next year :-(
HE is UFA this summer right?
Hopefully by then he will be spreading his locker room poison to some team in the KHL.
Mo and Basketball
Check out Mo’s chat with the media today over on CH.com. Dingus says the area likes Sutter because they like basketball which has young guys on the teams. What a doofus.
No MO – we LIKE WINNERS. Duke, UNC, and State carry plenty of trophies. We expect the same desire, hard-working, never-say-die attitude out of our hockey team too.
Axe that idiot.
If you're like me and shakey on the NTC process...
Darren Dreger: Dealing Tomas Kaberle is a possibility, no question about that. However, for that to happen before March 3, Kaberle will have to re-submit a list of teams he would be willing to waive his no-trade clause to join. Failing that, Kaberle’s no-trade is lifted at the end of the season, giving Toronto complete freedom to trade the veteran defenceman to any team in the league. Toronto needs a top line centre and a first round draft pick. I’m not saying they’ll get both, but acquiring at least one of the two is essential to this team’s future.
That’s not necessarily the standard experience. Everybody’s contract is slightly different on the NTC, if they have one.
Some teams/players negotiate a number of teams they can list as “OK”, some are able to list a number of teams that are no-go’s.
Some simply have a veto over everything (Wallin).
Some have a “no movement” clause (Whitney), which means he can’t even be sent down to the minors for some “tough love”.
So is anything happening now or not? Anyone know?
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Thinking or drinking?
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Cherish well your thoughts and keep a tight grip on your booze
cause thinkin and drinkin are all I have today.
/this weather sucks
Been raining kitty litter all day up here. Maybe shy of an inch.
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by wylde4canes on Feb 2, 2010 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mo speaks
Here’s an interview from the Saddledome.
Sounds to me like it’s one of the injured coming back and they’re just being coy because they don’t know exactly who just yet (game time decision?), or they’d just rather not say.
Ugh, that’s probably what it is. No trades or anything today.
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i found this kinda interesting: scroll down to the article titled “Hurricanes’ Tradewinds Calm Down”
For Sale!
That was before the loss last night. I wish the Canes were mathematically out of a play off spot so we could move on. Any body(even JR) thinking the Canes even have a slight chase of getting in the playoff spot is crazy.
Staal + Jussi = GOAL
Just one person’s speculation.
JR wishes he could get GM’s to believe he wasn’t interested in making a deal.
More like everyone wants him to hold the salaries through the Olympic break and they’ll make it up to him on the backside with a mid-round pick thrown into the deal for his troubles.
Certainly not because he harbors any aspirations of making the playoffs from this hole. Remember the other teams will be trying to win, too.
yea the playoffs are a long shot… JR just needs to start rebuilding the team for a chance next year
by silent_shadow36 on Feb 2, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
According to puckdrops (via twitter)… Steven Goertzen is the 20th man on tomorrow’s roster?
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Who is this kid? The name sounds familiar but I can’t remember seeing him before. Was he acquired from another team? Phoenix maybe?
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by caniacgirl on Feb 2, 2010 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was at training camp. As you say – from Phoenix
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He didn’t make it to preseason games did he?
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by caniacgirl on Feb 2, 2010 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And he’s a call-up from Albany, not a trade. I wasn’t explicit in my post above. Here’s the actual tweet:
And the mystery 20th roster player for tomorrow is……Steven Goertzen. Congratulations if he was your guess for today’s minor roster move.
Haven’t seen anything from any other source yet, official or unofficial.
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by LTD on Feb 2, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I am going to punch a wall if this is true. I waited since noon to here that all this hubbub is about a guy who has only 4 career NHL points?
I may just loose it…
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If you really don’ want that, just get a twitter account connected to your phone and you don’t have to feel tethered to your computer. Just for a couple. Subscribe to only Canes Country and it shouldn’t be too overwhelming…..?
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Steven Goertzen.....I don't get this but here you go.
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If I did the mental math correctly from his career notes, he’s over three years since his first contract at age 20, but under 160 games, so may be waiver exempt per Bob’s information way above us.
Probably not a worry, anyway. Sheesh, a RW’er for a LW’er hole?
Is he perhaps being showcased as a “let’s even this thing out a bit” element of some deal under discussion? Or just a safe bandaid?
Whitney not going to LA
So LA said no to the Whitney deal. Whitney wants a three year deal, Carolina would’ve got a 2 round pick a two prospects. SO WHITNEY WILL ONLY WAIVE HIS NTC TO A TEAM OFFERING HIM LONG TERM DEAL. So if he is traded don’t expect him to be back next year.
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by canescup on Feb 2, 2010 6:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
From Bob McKenzie
Staal + Jussi = GOAL
by canescup on Feb 2, 2010 6:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t forget the salt shaker when assessing all of this.
Negotiations are in progress on multiple fronts.
I mean, would you go to LA? Me either.
The point is this
We now know Whitney most likely if he gets traded won’t be back next year. He wants a long term deal and this changes our team for next year.
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by canescup on Feb 2, 2010 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you’re reading into McKenzie’s comments. Here’s what McKenzie actually said:
Sources say Whitney was looking for a three-year deal from the Kings in exchange to waive his NTC to go to Los Angeles.
Maybe Ray Whitney doesn’t want to go to the Kings (that’s his prerogative having a NTC). Maybe Ray is fishing to see what he can fetch so he can use it when he negotiates his return with JR. Maybe he really wants to go to Pittsburgh instead as a rental so he’s making it difficult for anyone else to make an acceptable offer. Maybe it does mean he’s only interested in going somewhere if he can get a long-term deal. But you’re making a logic leap when you state that as the only thing that can be implied from that statement.
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by LTD on Feb 2, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with her. He’’ll go to LA or even Edmonton for the matter. Just not easy or cheap. I’d guess he’d be alot easier going to a contender. I don’t think he’s greedy either. He just has earned the position of picking and choosing the who, what, where of any trade.
Really LA? That’s like south Edmonton.
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I just think he wants a long term deal where ever he ends up doesn’t have to be LA. He would’ve already been traded had it not been for him demanding long term deals. It’s been rumors for awhile that the only way he will waive his NTC is for a team that ie willing to give him a contract for several years. I just don’t think JR is going to offer him a long term contract after this season. One year at a time and it looks like Ray wants more than that.
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by canescup on Feb 2, 2010 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Told JR he’d consider any offer that would help the Canes. To move to hell he wants a 3 yr deal.
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Exactly. I will go, but here’s the price: stability for the next three years and a guaranteed payout.
Alternatively, if it’s not his first choice, it’s “I’ll go there, JR, but now you have to give me a two-year when I return, instead of year-to-year”…to the extent such a thing is allowed, that is. That’s where that trust thing for the org and JR comes in.
Wasn’t it you that quoted “curiouser and curiouser”?
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But if Ray is looking only to get a long term deal after this season JR may have to let him walk. Everyone assumes Ray will come back next season, but that may not be the case.
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Yea, the oilers.
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I’m gonna remain in the closet, but, yea, he rocks!
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All part of the dance.
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by LTD on Feb 2, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
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