Niclas Wallin Update
by Bob Wage on Feb 4, 2010 9:33 PM EST
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Chuck Kaiton was on 99.9 The Fan late today and told Mike Maniscalco that the trade sending Niclas Wallin to San Jose was close to being completed, but was still not finalized. The problem? Wallin's agent was negotiating a contract extension with Sharks GM, Doug Wilson.
According to Kaiton, he believed that the Sharks wanted to sign the big defenseman for a longer term than Wallin originally wanted. Apparently, the Swede did not want to sign a deal for longer than one year, but Wilson wants two. Plus, there is still a small matter of dollars and cents to be agreed upon as well.
The "Hall of Fame Voice" of the Hurricanes said that the return would be a good one for the Carolina organization, reportedly a second round draft pick. But to give up that much, Wilson wanted to make sure he could lock up "The Swede" for longer than a year.
Wallin still calls the shots here though as he could nix the trade by utilizing his "No Trade Clause"if he doesn't like the terms, but this deal looks to be about done except for the details. Although you know what they say about details.
Chip Alexander interviewed Jim Rutherford this afternoon and the Carolina GM said that they should know something within 24 hours.
In other news, Jiri Tlusty was reassigned to Albany this afternoon. The organization is still happy with the youngster, but they want to make sure he keeps playing through the Olympic break. The coaching staff wants him to work on his shot.
The young Czech had an open net the other night in Edmonton, but sent the puck wide. He and Sutter have been able to generate several chances together over the past few games, but need to put more of those chances on the scoreboard.
Tlusty has one goal and five assists in 18 games so far this season for the Canes.
The team was hoping that Erik Cole could take his spot in the lineup tomorrow night against Buffalo, but that looks unlikely. They may recall another player from Albany tomorrow.
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There is also a report that Tuomo Ruutu might be able to return to action as soon as Saturday night in Long Island. We will follow that news.
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Wallin -- 2nd Round Pick Implications
If the Sharks view Wallin as worth a 2nd round pick, Whitney and Corvo should each be worth 1st round picks. The news about Wallin is great for restocking the talent base; and if the Hurricanes can generate three 1st round picks, they will truly be rocking.
The Sharks are definitely reaching IMO. Wallin is a great guy, but I would be upset if our team traded a second rounder away for him. I would have thought he could’ve warranted a 3rd rounder AT MOST.
But Nicky is your consummate stay at home D man, and I guess the Sharks need one. Best of Luck to ya Nicky! Hope you can win the Cup with the Sharks this year buddy!
As for Whitney and Corvo, Whits definitely deserves a first rounder, and teams can thank Kovalchuk for that. Nothing less than a 1st and a guy on the team now, or a prospect ready to step into the lineup. NOTHING LESS THAN THAT.
As for Corvo, I doubt we get a first for him. Probably a second rounder and a prospect of some sort. However, he is really the only puck moving, PP D man out there right now (I think), so, perhaps JR can work some of his good ole trade magic for us.
Three first rounders??? Talk about restocking cupboards.
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Restocking Through the Draft
It is very hard to tell whether even the most talented #1 draft choice can move directly into the NHL; but even if the draft choices take a year or even two years to develop, having three first round draft choices and extra second round draft choices would be a sea change for the Hurricanes.
I really like Wallin as a person and I think he will do well in San Jose; but I also am convinced Wallin’s strengths were ill-suited for a defense based on either the Gleason approach of hitting everything that moves or the Pitkanen skill of outskating his opponents. I agree that Aaron Ward was far, far more disastrous than Wallin; but as great a teammate as Wallin has been, it was time to revamp the defense with younger, faster, more physical defensemen.
Agreed, I’m pretty surprised that a possible 2nd round pick would be the cost for Wallin. Maybe I’m in the minority, but i’ve always been a Wallin fan, not only his on-ice performance but off ice as well.
But if we can steal a 2nd rounder for him, WOW. Upgrade for sure. And I agree, this and the Kovalchuk deal basically points to a Whitney trade giving us a nice return .
IF Wallin gets us a 2nd, I would be somewhat satisfied. San Jose is basically expecting that their 2nd will be right before the 3rd round starts. With a somewhat shallow draft, its not like the are giving up a lot.
I do think that Whitney will fetch a 1st + a prospect. I think Cullen has an outside chance of getting us a 1st. Corvo, he will probably get us a 2nd or 3rd + maybe a prospect. The thing about late 1st and after draft picks are they will probably not immediately help us in the N or the A. Most will probably go back to their Junior squads for at least 1 season before signing a deal. This is why I think other teams prospects will be very important in the return deals.
by PackPride17 on Feb 4, 2010 11:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for the update Bob. Be going crazy with all the faux rumors, and this Wallin trade. Just hope that we have enough people to fill in this blueline after more trades. I seriously doubt that A. Ward and Corvo will be here after Mar. 3.
Not sure how many people we will have to take those spots.
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He looks so sad.
Anyone have any thoughts as to why Wallin would nix the 2 year deal in favor of the 1 year contract? At first I thought maybe he wants to retire in a year. But then I thought maybe the money would work out more in his favor with a one year deal (not sure if that’s true).
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
Nick Wallin once said that his feelings would be hurt if he were ever traded from Carolina….
Smells like a pile to me.
How is a 2nd round pick a huge return for this guy? Unless the draft is deeper than expected….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 4, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
It sucks to have this happen, especially to a guy who has always been a team first guy, who has never caused anyone any problems. Would much rather trade useless Cole than have to trade Nicky away.
To bad you can’t do everything…..
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Too bad that you and I are the only two people on this site who are not planning a party right about now….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 4, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hey don’t paint the rest of us with such a broad brush!
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
Sorry… you know the ones I’m talking about….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 4, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Coel is garbage, and a waste of a roster spot and money. However, Nicky did his job, and did it well most of the time. Did he have his faults? Of course, the guy wasn’t Nicholas Lindstom for cryin out loud.
But he was also a special player for this franchise. You don’t get a nic-name like the “Secret Weapon” without doing something spectacular for that team and its fans.
Remember him for what he did. He was a special guy for us. Not crying here about it, just saying, would should all hope for the best for him. He deserves it.
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LOL +1 (wait till caniacgirl sees it)
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I will neither deny nor confirm that a tear or two welled up in my little peepers. I hate trades.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
heck – there’s not denying it – I’m sure before March 3 is here I will have shed more than a few tears. I know it’s what has to be done… doesn’t mean I have to like it.
Glad I’m not the only one.
"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!
Definitely not the only one…usually its the offseason where you’re forced to come to terms with trades, guys signing elsewhere…but of course with how things are, we have to deal with it now.
I don’t like it, its only one of MANY reasons why I’d make a terrible NHL GM. I’d think too much with my heart and not enough with my head.
I hope Joslin is part of the deal at least............
A 2nd round pick is not enough for Wallin. The Sharks will finish the season first as usual which means there pick will be late and the 2nd pick will be very deep in the draft. I hope there is more to this than a disappointing 2nd rounder.
Staal + Jussi = GOAL
I agree totally…. not only are the ’Canes getting screwed…. I get a feeling that Nicky is getting it too….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 4, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s obvious that JR told him he wasn’t getting resigned here basically pushing him out the door.
Staal + Jussi = GOAL
well… The fact that we will start next week w/ Nick Wallin in San Jose and Aaron Ward STILL in Raleigh is proof that JR is a t-total-asshole.
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 4, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
But consider how bad A Ward is compared to Nicky Mateo. How many suitors are lining up for Ward?
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That’s what I thought. However, Nicky had AT LEAST two teams bidding for him. JR took the best deal out of the two. Nobody wants a guy who can’t even take a hit from a guy 2/3 his size. Nicky deserves to go to a team where he can win. Aaron Ward? Hahaha, get back to me on that one.
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Sending him to San Jose sucks….
They will finish #1 in the Universe during the REGULAR SEASON and then most likely get swept out of the first round by whoever is the #8…..
At least San Jose California is a good place to live….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 4, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
True, but would you still be upset if JR only got a third rounder from Chi-Town? Gotta think of the other side of the coin here.
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that’s a matter of opinion. I lived there.
THE QUEST FOR TAYLOR HALL...or maybe Seguin..possibly Fowler...from 30th to the top!!! OR MAYBE 27TH OR SO....
So what was your issue (other than their state government is a joke)?
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 5, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
also assume A.Ward must be worth a 5th round pick for Boston…….come and get him.
Staal + Jussi = GOAL
A. Ward
A. Ward is the classic example of take the last, highest offer — i.e., he is a “must trade”, so used practice jersies unwashed would be fine if that is the best offer.
Can almost guarantee you someone will “overpay” for him.
The rest of the league believes it’s just a bad team rubbing off on him that has resulted in his plus/minus, etc.
They still see in their minds a top-4 D-man with a couple of rings who will block shots like a madman. Lots of GM’s want themselves one of them for the next few months.
And there are not near enough of them to go around.
Bad team rubbing off on him?
I thought it was the other way around…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 5, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
No, it’s proof that Wallin is in more demand than Ward because Ward is the worst player in the NHL.
It’s like saying that JR is an “asshole” because Whitney will be traded and Samsonov will still be there. Nobody wants Samsonov, just like nobody wants Ward. That’s why.
Your hate blinds you from reality.
Also, order of deals has nothing to do with “popularity”.
But, keep on spewing.
Actually, it could.
It could be a case that he has very limited offers for Ward and is waiting for demand to increase as the deadline nears, while he feels he has the best deal for Wallin at hand. Or maybe he has ZERO offers for Ward, in which case it would be impossible to deal Ward.
How is it “hate” to say that Wallin is in more of demand than Ward? The only people spewing “hate” here is calling JR an “asshole” because he’s going to trade Wallin before Ward.
Okay, “hate” is too strong of a word. Sorry about that.
How about your strong dislike for Ward is coloring your perception as to how other GM’s may be looking at him.
Lots of teams have the $‘s piled up on the top lines and pairing. Heading into the playoffs, they’re looking for experienced reinforcements that are more skilled than the essentially AHL’ers they have plugged into those positions.
It’s not the case that “nobody” will take him. Boston fans and sportswriters are already fondly recalling just what a great guy he was to have around on the blue line.
They remember how he was, not what he is…sorta like we did when we re-acquired him.
Well, I don’t think that “nobody” wants him.
But there’s certainly a possiblity that the demand for Wallin is higher and thus JR has received better offers for him than for Ward and thus Wallin is the first to go.
I certainly agree that Wallin is an easier and simpler product to move. What you see is what you get.
However, I’m actually sort of surprised anyone inquired at all about him, especially with his history of using the NTC to block a previous trade offer.
Doubly surprised that the hang-up on the deal is SJ wanting him for two years instead of only the one preferred by Wallin.
You just never know.
“The fact that we will start next week w/ Nick Wallin in San Jose and Aaron Ward STILL in Raleigh is proof that JR is a t-total-asshole.”
No way man! All it says is that there was at least a little demand for Wallin around the leage, and little to NONE for Ward (understandably so). We all know pretty well how much of a liability A. Ward is, don’t you think other teams have noticed it too??
A 2nd round pick for a impending UFA, soon-to-be-35-year-old bottom-pairing defenseman is more than enough.
I get the feeling some people here are going to be VERY disappointed with the returns we get at the deadline if a 2nd for frickin’ Wallin is “not enough.”
FWIW – you remember when Cory showed us in September that selling the team off at the deadline for parts wasn’t a terrible alternative if the Canes “failed” this season?(Sorry I keep dredging that up Cory – but that story really is so useful now to see what seemed reasonable then, prior to the heat of the moment we’re in now)
Niclas Wallin: At this stage of his career, Wallin is a third-pairing d-man that would likely be acquired for depth purposes. Still, he’s played in two Stanley Cup Finals and another Eastern Conference Final. Comparable: Columbus dealt veteran Luke Richardson to Toronto at the 2006 trade deadline for a conditional pick (fifth in 2006 or fourth in 2007). Trade Deadline Value: Late-round pick
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I’m actually surprised a team is willing to give up a 2nd round pick for Wallin. Throw in a prospect or another player along with it and I think we make out quite well.
I don’t care what Cory said….
I am however glad that this is all starting to come to a head….
last night our team played like they all had something else on their minds…..
pissed.
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 4, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Kovalchuk trade
I think the Devils just saw that we were sure not to make the playoffs and knock them out once again so they jumped on that chance and grabbed Kovalchuk. I bet NJ hates us, every single deep playoff run we make we knock them out in the process.
They also hate us because it has rained every day in Newark since the mid 1900’s…
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 4, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions
Good times.......Good luck Nicky!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywR4Zu87rQg&feature=player_embedded
Staal + Jussi = GOAL
Absolutely my all-time favorite Nic Wallin quotation:
Q: What’s the best advice your parents ever gave to you?
A: “Don’t complain. Just work hard.”
No question, he took their advice.
He sounds like Frankenstien in that video.
On a side note, the second link in the related videos is Jesse Boulerice getting knocked out by Steve Downie. If you haven’t seen it, it’s worth a look.
5 seconds left.
Do you believe in miracles?
YES!!
Aaron Downie….
I remember the next time the stars came to Raleigh after that happened… Aaron Downie told the Raleigh media that he was afraid of Jesse… (I’m sure he was being sarcastic and the N&O took it as serious…)
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 5, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
that made me laugh…
Geez Nick… The microphone isn’t going to eat you…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 5, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Watching Sharks post game and they just said deal should be announced in the morning, why cant we have Hedican doing our post game, he does a good job. Oddly enough he made no comment on the deal. Hope they win it all , good luck Nicky.
Hedicans twitter feed is one of my favorites too… He talks about more than just hockey stuff….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 5, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
With Kovalchuk now in NJ, what does that mean for the rest of the Eastern Conference contenders? Obviously Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and the Rangers are the teams most directly effected by the move. Will they be reactionary and maybe overpay for an asset?
Whitney is widely considered the next best offensive rental option. We also have Cullen and Corvo, who are pretty high rental players. What assets do the Atlantic Division teams have that we could/should expect in return for our players? While draft picks are an option, JR really needs to examine prospects that could help the team soon or replenish the farm team as Rats fill NHL roles.
by PackPride17 on Feb 4, 2010 10:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Let’s do indeed hope that this kicks the Penguins off the stand-pat mark, if the buzz is true that Ray’s first preference is Pittsburgh.
Their bitter rival, and certainly a playoff team that they may have to play through to make another run, has just strapped on a turbocharger that makes their score-two-goals-and-defend-’em system deadly (deadly dull, that is).
They may now feel that to stay competitive, they need to install a nitro boost system: Ray “The Activator” Whitney
Whitney’s the kind of guy that could wring an extra goal out of all that talent, no matter where they put him. He’d certainly help their power play.
By adding a passer/shooter like Whitney, the Penguins could make the sum of their collective parts more potent than the one part that the Devils just bolted onto their engine.
If, this match happens, I’m not sure there will be a king’s ransom in return. We’ll get something good. But, this is a good trading partner, and there may be other deals in future years yet to be done.
Yep, I think the Wizard is now the top winger available on the trade market now. There’s about 13 calendar days left before the trade deadline – rosters freeze for the Olympics – so we should see the dealing start to accelerate. How many Canes will be traded? My guess is four; Wallin, Cullen, Corvo, and Whitney, with Whitney not being dealt until very close to March 3 because of his NTC and because of what JR wants for him.
Yep, and I remember a lot of Canes fans calling him worthless, the worst player in the NHL, and not worth a bag of pucks too.
Something to consider when crapping all over Ward, Cole et al. Losing is infectious just like winning. Just because they’re not playing well right now doesn’t make them worthless players or human beings. Toning down the venom might be good for all involved — and might help people understand the motivations of other general managers.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
Wow, Kovalchuk went to the Devils? That stinks.
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by hotchipsnsalsa on Feb 5, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, in studio post game, watch them a fair bit, he is good. We need to take Kathyrn Tappen from Bruins , team her with Hedigan and do away with our format, let John and Tripp call games only. Not sure whether he does a pre game or not though, i wondered to Hockeymom at kids practice last night whether he had anything to do with it.
well whatever goes down from here, befroe you all bash JR again I want you to think of how worse it could be. We could have Don Waddell. They got HOSED once again trading away an all star for parts. Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier and what will probably be the 30th pick in the draft. Oduya is a decent defenseman, and Bergfors has upside. Cormier is a thug (and a suspended one at that), though he does have some skill. Two of those components can not help them make the playoffs in any way (Cormier and the pick) and the other two are hardly going to compensate for what they lost giving up Kovy. Thrashers are going to plummett in the standings and fail to make the playoffs again. So much for his pledge to make sure the tthrashers got what they needed to make the post season this year. DW deserves the axe for sure.
From what I hear Don Waddell is a great guy. But if you look at the trades he’s made over the last bunch of years I am shocked he still has a job.
I just don’t see how this Kovalchuk trade works for Atlanta.
by TOS on Feb 5, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
2nd rounder? wow. The more I think about it, these ’no trade clauses" could be helping in a way because the trade can be contingent on the team extending the contract therefore not relegating the player to rental status in turn increasing their value. Obviously there are downsides but this could be an upside.
In that regard maybe JR isn’t as dumb as we sometimes think….
He still doesn’t know how to match his navy suit coat w/ his black suit pants…..
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 5, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Wallin Won't Waive NTC
Chip just twittered that Wallin won’t waive his NTC. No surprise. Wallin has refused on two other occasions to waive his NTC. I think Wallin will retire and go to Sweden unless he gets some fantastic deal from a team that is just too good to turn down; and in today’s market that could happen.
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You know, I don't mind that.
I’d have liked to add a prospect, but if a guy wants to spend his whole NHL career as a Carolina Hurricane, I have a tough time getting upset over it.
That 17-year-old Hokie sitting in the rafters in Greensboro didn't see any of this coming.
I mind it quite a bit...
Because whether Wallin spends his whole NHL career as a Hurricane means absolutely nothing to the future of this team. I don’t care how long he’s played here or “how much he’s done for this franchise blah blah OT playoff goals” etc. We lost out on a good asset and all we have to show for it is 20+ more games of Wallin.
Wallin for 20+ more games = closer to Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin
The more Wallin plays, the greater the likelihood the Hurricanes lose. The more games the Hurricanes lose, the better their draft position and the greater the chances that the Hurricanes obtain either Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin. Add to the mixture of fail, time on ice for Aaron Ward, Brind’Amour, and Yelle and the chances of defeat go up. I, too, would have loved to see Wallin traded for a second round pick; but in the long run, Wallin on the team until the end of the season has a reverse reward of its own.
I hadn’t thought of it like that. That’s a great plan.
I think we should keep Walker and play him on the top line. Make Alberts our new power forward (since Cole is taking another extended vacation on IR) and play him on the powerplay. Call Conboy up and pair him with Samsonov as defensemen on the PK. So many possibilities!
PATHETIC
Great job, JR. Burned by an NTC again. Maybe you shouldn’t hand them out to players like Niclas Wallin?
We could have two 2nds and Teubert/Voinov. Instead we have Wallin refusing to waive his NTC and Whitney asking for a three-year deal in exchange for waiving his NTC. Absolutely pathetic.
Look on the bright side, though. Perhaps we can sign Wallin for another year. Or two. Or three. That would be awesome. You can never have too many aging third-pairing defensemen!
I personally will be surprised if some deal for Wallin doesn’t occur before the final trade deadline. I can’t see Wallin ever being re-signed by the Hurricanes.
He scored big OT playoff goals and has a nice smile. That earns a contract extension. Give him the first year because he’ll still be a good player (by Wallin standards, which admittedly are very low) and an extra year as an appreciation of past services. Same with Whitney. Walker’s a bit injury prone, so one year with a NTC should do for him.
If we go into next season with the same team, we can easily win the Cup. All we need to do is stay healthy. I think Staal+Cole will light it up together for the 25 games that Cole plays.
Update from Chip
And so it goes.
If Wallin trade goes through, Canes might get second-round pick out of it.
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