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Manny Legace Gets Start: Hurricanes at Sabres, Game Day Preview

Carolina Hurricanes goalie Manny Legace will get a rare start tonight in Buffalo.  (photo by LTD)

Carolina Hurricanes goalie Manny Legace will get a rare start tonight in Buffalo. (photo by LTD)

The Carolina Hurricanes media relations department has had a busy day so far today.  The team recalled Zach Boychuk and Justin Peters from Albany.  Cam Ward was sent back to Raleigh nursing an upper body ailment.  (something tightened up, like perhaps a wonky sore back?)

In the meantime, any news about the "pending" trade of Niclas Wallin seems to have reached complete radio silence. Wallin attended the morning skate like usual and there is nothing new on the trade front, at least for now.

Initially, the recall of Peters prompted thoughts that Manny Legace could be traded.  But the backup, who has not played in a game since January 23 when he left a contest early with a bout of pick eye, will get the start tonight in Buffalo as the Hurricanes, (19-30-7) meet the Sabres, (32-16-7) for a match that starts tonight at 7:30 at the HSBC arena. 

Legace's previous start before his pink eye problem was December 12.

The club hoped that perhaps Erik Cole or Tuomo Ruutu could play for Carolina, but both remain out.  Ruutu did make an appreance in the morning skate, but the team now says he won't play before next week. 

Cole's situation remains a mystery.  He's been "close" for the past several weeks, but never seems to get over whatever hurdle is holding him back.  His exact ailment is unknown to the media and the public but it's very odd that the team keeps saying that he could play, almost on a game to game basis, but he ends up not playing.   

Carolina's lines tonight should be as follows:

  • Staal, Whitney, Jokinen
  • Cullen, Kostopoulos, Samsonov
  • Sutter, Boychuk, Dwyer
  • Yelle, Brind'Amour, Goertzen

Star-divide

Andrew Alberts should be good to go tonight.  Apparently the injury which took him out of the Calgary game after just eight seconds of playing time, was not serious. 

We will have to wait to see if Wallin will play tonight, depending upon the outcome of any trade.  If not, Brett Carson will fill in along with Joe Corvo, Tim Gleason, Aaron Ward, Joni Pitkanen, and Alberts.

Buffalo has had a very good year for the most part, although they have lost six of their past eight games. This should not matter to Carolina though because so far this year, the Hurricanes have been the magic tonic that cures all losing streaks. 

If you would like more information about the Sabres, check out our friends at Die By The Blade.

For some reason, the game will not be televised locally by FSN, but will be shown on Center Ice.  We will have our open game thread starting up at 7.

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Oh my! Still nothing….

THE QUEST FOR TAYLOR HALL...or maybe Seguin..possibly Fowler...from 30th to the top!!! OR MAYBE 27TH OR SO....

by Caniac233 on Feb 5, 2010 2:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

No mention on a D-man…healthy scratch?

Staal + Jussi = GOAL

by canescup on Feb 5, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

So this is ESPN’s scuttlebut on impending trades. Mentions of Whitney to LAKings or Penguins? and repeats the Wallin to SJ deal at the very bottom.

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by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

No Wallin Trade -- Wallin won't Waive NTC

http://twitter.com/ice_chip

No Wallin trade with SJ at this point. Not surprising given the fact Wallin has declined to waive his NTC two other times.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like this was different from the other times he would waive it. What I heard was that his agent pissed off the Sharks GM in contract extension negotiations so they decided to pass….

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Feb 5, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

   If it is an agent issue, until and unless the Sharks obtain another option, Wallin may well still be in play. Sounds like an agent losing in a game of chicken with the Shark’s GM, Doug Wilson.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. From what Forslund said, Wallin was ready to get on the plane at any time.

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Feb 5, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Forslund also said he knew for a fact that the Sharks had offered a one-year extension, although he didn’t mention any other terms. I failed to point that out in my posts below.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

eric cole

a source close to the team tells me it’s a problem with his neck that keeps causing numbness in his arm

by hcksey on Feb 5, 2010 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

that would be like a pinched nerve right? that kinda stuff requires surgery…

If Ray Whitney does not retire a Carolina Hurricane, I'll go egg Jim Rutherfords car and TP his house.

by thebl4ckd0g on Feb 5, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If it is his neck, it could be many things. Nerve damage, scar tissue or bone growth on the vertebrae in the surgery site.

by Cyn4Canes on Feb 5, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If it’s his neck we should all go kick Brooks Orpik….

by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Feb 5, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Orpik....

…ruined Cole’s career. He has not been since and never will be again the same player he was pre-injury.

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by Douchebag St John on Feb 5, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not fun by any means (see my picture). A pinched nerve is very serious, but not always requiring surgery. Medication or physical therapy can reduce swelling and restore feeling into the arm/hand/wherever he’s having trouble. He could have tweaked it doing just about anything (even during sleep). It’s a very shaky thing, but Cole is a battler. He and the training staff will do what they have to in order to get him back on the ice.

by rubyhawk on Feb 5, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

im sure the surgery will come sooner or later, maybe once we are officially eliminated from playoffs

by chrisj on Feb 5, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

No. This is not true. Cole and Walker decided they were going to have a contest to see who could spend the most time on IR during a single season. They both are completely healthy.

by Kahz on Feb 5, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you’re just trying to be sarcastic, but to me that’s not really funny. Does anyone really think that Erik Cole has been skating with the team for the last month because he doesn’t want to play?

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Same goes for Walker-he wants to play.

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by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, him too.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It is funny, bcause when Pitkanen was out for a handful of games it was he doesn’t play through pain, he’s milking in his injury, etc. But when Cole disappears from the lineup for two months it’s oh poor Cole is hurt let him take his time to heal his 900th career injury.

by Kahz on Feb 5, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

uhhh Kahz…you got physical proof of that ??

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by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

No – Kahz is just full of hate and likes to use it to rile people up.

Really wish we had an Ignore option on here.

by Cyn4Canes on Feb 5, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not hate to poke fun at the same players making extended IR trips over and over again. Seriously, I forgot that Walker was even on this team.

by Kahz on Feb 5, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems to be a lot of strange and unknown things going on lately. I’m glad Manny gets to play though, despite the circumstances. And super happy that Alberts is alright!
I hate Buffalo….I look forward to the game and hoping a different team shows up and kicks their butts.

by T-Leaf on Feb 5, 2010 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

C. Wards saddle must have been tighter than we thought. Hope he is ok and ready to go against the Isles on Sat. Glad to hear Albe is ok , just hope no lingering headaches from that hit… it was brutal. Wonder if Staal will be wearing his Barney bandaids?? As for Cole… WTF, biggest waste of cap space, oh wait that one is reserved for A. Ward, but Cole is a close second.. GO CANES’. F.U. BUFFALO!!

by max creek on Feb 5, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

Yep, Wardo is back in Raleighwood will not be back tomorrow night for the Isles game.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

forgot Isles game is on the road, sorry

by max creek on Feb 5, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, what I meant was MO rode him into the ground without a break, think I heard 23 straight?? Sound right??

by max creek on Feb 5, 2010 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah I don't know why...

They did not play Legace enough. Not like we are going to the Playoffs. Cam needs a rest. Granted he is our goalie – but would be nice we don’t go through another Leighton fiasco when we DO want to head to the playoffs.

If Ray Whitney does not retire a Carolina Hurricane, I'll go egg Jim Rutherfords car and TP his house.

by thebl4ckd0g on Feb 5, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s also good to showcase him b/c he could be on the trading block as well. I’ve been watching some AHL games too and I’d like to see how Peters does at the NHL level. I’ve seen him make some really amazing saves.

by rubyhawk on Feb 5, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

of course he rode him into the ground, he also got up and continued breathing today. One is almost as automatic as the other.

by wylde4canes on Feb 5, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Cam / Manny

I think it makes sense for Cam to play so Manny games in a row. Its not like he hadnt had plenty of time off with the injury, plus Cam is our horse, like Marty or Roberto are for their teams. He had been lights out for about a 16 game stretch before the last two, and he was also getting used to some pads that he is wearing now to prevent him from getting cut again.
I saw the comments on cole, I cant give up any insider info that my job allows me to have, but you are on the right track about Cole’s in jury. What a season huh?
Go Canes! If they dont win any other games the rest of the season, I just want to beat the Sabres!

by caniac30 on Feb 5, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions  

Was that an intentional uh-oh in the first line? ;)
And what is it that you do?

by T-Leaf on Feb 5, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

His profile says he’s 33 and works for the Carolina Hurricanes. So, uh, caniac30: Your name isn’t Matt Cullen by any chance?

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by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I just feel bad for Manny...

Something really terrible, or hopefully just distracting, must be going on in his life for him to get the start.

by EricinSC on Feb 5, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Chip says JR says no Nic Wallin trade.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

ice_chip: There will be no Niclas Wallin trade, Jim Rutherford said.

and

ice_chip: Wallin did not waive the no-trade clause, indicating the terms were not fully to his liking.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Should I be mad at him? Because I’m not.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Y B Md…he is just being like you and i would be …right ?/

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by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Because some people will see this as him intentionally hurting the team by not allowing them to move forward, etc.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting. That should make for some interesting dynamics in the locker room and with the GM.

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by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

here i thought we all loved a good soap opera…hmmm…guess not…

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by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you thinking there will be negative dynamics?

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by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

there might be a negitive reaction, but i doubt it, as several of the plder players have been there,done that…time to focus on Buffalo

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by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

any dynamics at all might be helpful after the last two games

by EricinSC on Feb 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My opinion is that there could very well be some tension/frustration on the part of the GM especially in the short term, but I really don’t think there will be negative dynamics in the locker room.

Then again, some of this could still be posturing on the part of the GM, and I wouldn’t be surprised AT ALL if a deal did still go through.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you on this one LTD. I don’t think the guys in the locker room will give a flying anything about whether Nic refused to be traded or not. If they were in the same position, most of them (if not all of them) would do the same thing.

I also took that tweet to mean there won’t be any SJ-Wallin trade, not there won’t be a Wallin trade EVER.

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by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I can see the players giving him the nod and the high five for out-maneuvering Rutherford. Still, it’s awkward – it’s a perfectly legitimate use of his NTC, but because how far Rutherford was pushing it publicly it just seems like he’s not the good company man JR always thought he would be….that’s my point.

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by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I gotcha, but to be honest I don’t think JR is surprised by this. This is the third time Wallin has refused to go elsewhere, he’s said it was either Sweden or Carolina. The fact that JR got him close enough to at least consider SJ was a coup in itself.

And, in all fairness to Wallin, JR probably shouldn’t have put the cart before the horse on this one so to speak.

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Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But I do understand your point about the possible awkwardness between JR and Wallin. Of course this is all JR’s doing anyway.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

JR may have been intentionally pressuring Wallin by taking it public. Making it harder for him to say no. Who knows…but apparently they weren’t on the same page and that is awkward when it plays out in the public eye….

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by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Jim Rutherford was putting it out in the public to see what other teams might be interested. Wallin turned two waiving the NTC twice before, we think and believe, and there didn’t seem to be any tension. I think Rutherford does a great job of not burning bridges.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless your name starts with “Bab” and ends with “chuk”.

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by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Babchuk

   I have a strong feeling Jim Rutherford has much more open mind about Babchuk than some people seem to think. I think there may be a 50-50 if not 60-40 chance Babchuk will be signed to a two year contract. Stranger things have happened.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Stranger things have happened. But I think JR is one of those “fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me” kind of people. He won’t get burned again.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

But keep a couple of things in mind. First, in fairness to JR most of the public information DIDN’T come directly from him. Second, all we’ve heard so far is a couple of comments from Chip and not JR’s direct quotes so we really don’t know JR’s exact words, just what Chip said JR said.

That’s why I wouldn’t be surprised if this is not a dead deal yet.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. The Canes want to trade Wallin. Wallin wants to control his destiny; and if he wants to play next season in the NHL, he is wise to work out some terms with another team. All in a day’s work for a GM.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's the issue.
if he wants to play next season in the NHL, he is wise to work out some terms with another team.

It doesn’t seem like Wallin cares too much about extending his NHL career. It seems odd since players generally try to extend as long as possible. You have to respect Nic for sticking to his guns.

by TOS on Feb 5, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey AD he might want to control his dystany, but if his stats don’t pick up, all he will see at the end of his contract could be the door !! good thought though…and have you heard how babchuk is doing ?

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by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Babchuk made the KHL all star team and scored a goal in it. He’s doing okay.

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by Bob Wage on Feb 5, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This may be JR pressuring SanJose. There beat guy just reported “nothing new” – not “deal is dead”…

In the age of twitter, the twists and turns are so much more available to the public (like us).

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by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This just got put up:

Check 99.9FM at 6:30. @mikemaniscalco got the Wallin news and will discuss what’s next w/ Kaiton.

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by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Forslund was just on 99.9 and announced the deal as dead as well. Said he didn’t think there would be any tension between JR and Nic given their relationship. Seemed to allude to Nic’s agent pushing a little hard on some of the contract extension terms.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and Forslund also said that Nic will NOT play tonight. He will still be a healthy scratch.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

And just so my posts about Forslund’s comments are all in the same spot, he said he knew for a fact that SJ had offered a one-year extension. He didn’t divulge any other specific terms if he knew them.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

In the NHL Deal is Dead, Deal is Dead; Bingo, Deal Signed

   Nothing is ever as it seems. How many times does a GM say, deal is done, no way, nada, moving on, and two days later, there is a signed contract. It’s all hardball negotiation. If it is an agent issue of contractual extension terms, the chances are 50-50 it is worked out ultimately. The Seidenberg situation, however, shows that sometimes NO means no.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

so the soap opera continues then ??

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by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

   Soap Opera of As the Canes Turn or The Canes of Our Lives does continue unabated. Wallin is still very much in play. Wallin’s agent is pressing him, I believe, to commit to the NHL rather than retiring and going to Sweden. Wallin has a mind of his own and obviously prefers Carolina. My guess is that under Laviolette’s system, Wallin would be a happy member of the team; but with Maurice/Francis/Rowe there is too much decision-making, hitting, and skating for Wallin’s abilities. Wallin has a limited downside, but a much more limited upside; so it makes no sense to include Wallin in a rebuild. And so the melodrama continues…

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you’re off base on the systems theory. Remember, Wallin has logged more years under Maurice than any other Cane. He knows Mo’s system.

If anything, it’s more like the level of talent around him has risen and exposed a game that’s still pretty much the same that it’s always been.

That, and injuries in the D-corps had him playing a notch or so above the level he should ever be slotted.

by Elsker on Feb 6, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Wallin and Systems

   Elsker, I agree that the quality of players around Wallin has improved and that exposes some flaws in Wallin’s game. I respectfully disagree in one regard with your observation. I think Maurice/Francis/Rowe is a modification of Maurice I. I could be mistaken, but it seems to me that under the Maurice/Francis/Rowe system, as contrasted with Maurice I, the defensemen have more responsibility of making reads and have more pressure on them to know when to skate out the puck. For example, under Maurice/Francis/Rowe, the defensemen have to decide very rapidly when to cut off pursuit to the corners and when to let their man go behind the net. Laviolette’s system is much simpler, I think, from a defenseman’s point of view. As a result, if Laviolette were here, Wallin’s weaknesses would not be as painfully obvious as they are now. At least that is how I see it.

by abramsdoug on Feb 6, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, we are going to disagree, because Mo’s still Mo, and hasn’t changed a thing.

There’s been a slight shift in the org’s approach to the game, mostly a learning curve phenomena of taking an element of the Lavi era and applying it to the responsible defense approach they favor, but no sea change.

And, regardless, it’s not really system changes that are Wallin’s downfall. He’s in the right places. It’s what he’s doing in those places that has changed.

I’m seeing way more of a tendency to solve the problem in front of him with his stick instead of his body. Somewhat a victim of the rule changes, frankly. Not as easy to bulldoze as it was before.

Nicci was a fairly effective crease clearer in his day and would fearlessly block a shot, which he still does today. But, caught defending in the crease, it’s much harder to prevent the goal than it used to be…which was the intention of the rule “change” (more like rule enforcement)…more offense.

by Elsker on Feb 6, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

 I agree completely with you observations about the flaws in Wallin’s play.

by abramsdoug on Feb 6, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Seemed to allude to Nic’s agent pushing a little hard on some of the contract extension terms.

I know why they have agents, but sometimes I think they’d be better off without them.

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by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The only tension JR should have is with himself for giving Wallin a NTC. Wallin did nothing wrong.

by Kahz on Feb 5, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully not. But it’s awkward that Rutherford said it would happen to several media outlets here (Kaiton, Chip, and Ovies all seemed to have something about it in the last 24 hours) and then it doesn’t. Makes JR seem less than “in charge” – though perhaps the media was too anxious to report a “maybe might happen” as an “almost done”.

Might mean Nikki was either really feeling the pressure or Rutherford mis-read the whole thing.

But with so much else likely to happen in the next week, this will surely fade quickly.. Let’s hope.

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by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of the whole Danny Markov debacle when we first got him from Phoenix.

it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed

by Douchebag St John on Feb 5, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Wallin and Refusing to Waive the NTC

 Wallin has the legal right to enforce the NTC; and it is not something that would likely cause tension in the locker room. Anybody can see that Rutherford wants to trade Wallin and A. Ward. It appears that San Jose wanted to tie down Wallin for this season and two more seasons. If the numbers didn’t work for Wallin, there was no reason for him to commit himself to San Jose when what Wallin is said to desire is either play for Carolina or go back to Sweden.

   Although I understand the logic, I would have loved to see Wallin traded asap and a second round draft choice seemed too good to be true. Maybe another team will accept Wallin as a rental.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep in mind that JR is a master at trades and signing. Last summer he said that cole and Larose were dead but they signed. Everyone is assuming that it is Wallin that didn’t get the deal he wanted, it might be that JR didn’t get his deal.

by Spanky31 on Feb 5, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This is only the third time Nikky has done this...

….no one should be surprised or upset at him. JR is the one who gave a 7th D-Man an NTC.

it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed

by Douchebag St John on Feb 5, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not surprised at all, it doesn’t take that long to do a trade. I figured something was up.

Staal + Jussi = GOAL

by canescup on Feb 5, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea….we all kind of knew that was coming. That boy is never going to leave. Which is ok with me.

by T-Leaf on Feb 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to see him...

….show some loyalty back and help the Org that made him start to re-build, but in the end, he was given an NTC and that’s just how it works. It’s not like he pulled a Heatley, demanded a trade, and then insured he went where he wanted no matter how little value his original team go back. Nic does not want to leave, that’s the way it is. It’s not his fault he should have never been given an NTC in the first place.

it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed

by Douchebag St John on Feb 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

No one else is reporting this

I haven’t even seen anyone RT it…..hmmm. 5pm on Friday is not a good time for breaking news I guess? Or they’re twitter accounts are still recovering from Kovy to NJD.

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by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

My twitter account is still recovering from Kovy to NJ. That was just insane last night.

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by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Here ya go – http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/2/5/1297451/just-as-i-learned-minutes-ago-that

Wysh RT’d this from Fear the Fin.

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Up this week: Introducing Sutter-fish.

by hockeymomof2 on Feb 5, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like Fear the Fin is just recycling Chip’s comments though and no additional insight from any other source.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Puck Daddy (so much easier to spell than his real name) just retweeted Fear the Fin about it. But other than that, I can’t find anything.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel for Cam, but i have RA all in and around my spinal cord …and while a muscule spam or pinched nerve is no joke…but until i had to retire just over a year ago…I worked through the pain and focused on my job…and now i see LTD says JR said NO to trading Wallin///hmmm the soap opera continues huh ?/ Go canes !!

If you think you can't, you won't !

by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks LTD i went to twter and saw that !!

If you think you can't, you won't !

by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

No Wallin Trade?
ice_chip
Wallin did not waive the no-trade clause, indicating the terms were not fully to his liking.
5 minutes ago from web
ice_chip
There will be no Niclas Wallin trade, Jim Rutherford said. 6 minutes ago from web

by Caniac1026 on Feb 5, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

what web site ? was that ?? it certainly wasn’t here huh ?/

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by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well isn’t that just great.

I was hoping to get a draft pick, a prospect or something. Nic’s been a great teammate and I’ve like the guy but now we’re still stuck with a very mediocre 3rd pairing defenseman. Why in the world was he ever given a NTC?

by anonymousJ on Feb 5, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

To save money.

it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed

by Douchebag St John on Feb 5, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

finally

yes, that is correct, when negotiating with a player, a NTC clause is sweetener.

by Killswitch on Feb 5, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

JR was handing them out like candy for the Cup team.

Staal + Jussi = GOAL

by canescup on Feb 5, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Listened to a brief on 99.9 FM the Fan...

With Johnny F. and Mark Thomas – and apparently the possible Trade with Nic Wallin is dead. Something about Nic’s Agent’s offer to the Sharks – the Sharks GM did not like.

If Ray Whitney does not retire a Carolina Hurricane, I'll go egg Jim Rutherfords car and TP his house.

by thebl4ckd0g on Feb 5, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta love those NTC’s!

by caniac4ever on Feb 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

Is this Game Going to be on Center Ice ?

It looks like the game is going to be shown on NHL Game Center; but I wondered if Center Ice will be showing the game or if it will be blacked out on Center Ice. Anybody know the answer?

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

It is definitely on Center Ice.

by Iggy Reilly on Feb 5, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I checked on Center Ice and it shows on TWC as being “blacked out” but I am hoping and guessing that the Buffalo announcers will be broadcast.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

   But your confirmation is very much appreciated.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah they usually say Blackout but it does work. Unfortunately we cant do anything about the Buffalo announcers. :)

by Kyle13 on Feb 5, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

now THAT sucks, at least we have a mute button for when they score a goal

"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason

by jenniwa30 on Feb 5, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Mute button on scores

   We all could get carpal tunnel syndrome tonight if the Sabres run wild against the Hurricanes with all the mute button presses.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You could just plan ahead and press mute whenever Aaron Ward steps on the ice.

by Kahz on Feb 5, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Brind’Amour has his work cut out for him tonight. Shawn Horcoff has taken over the trash heap of worst +/- at 27. Brind’Amour is tied with Patrick O’Sullivan for second at +/ 25. Brind’Amour needs to seize the opportunity to reclaim his rightful spot at the very, very bottom of the NHL in the +/ statistic.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously…never mind.

by Elsker on Feb 6, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

try www.channelsurfing.net…it might be on there…the link is ..but at times the games shown don’t always show up…good luck

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by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s either that or atdhe.net for me, hopefully one of em will be up!

by rubyhawk on Feb 5, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, yes it will be on center ice.

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by Bob Wage on Feb 5, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I mentioned Forslund’s comments on the Nic Wallin situation way up there ^^^^ somewhere. But he also mentioned that Cam was in “a bad place” and in a lot of pain after the Calgary game and also the next morning on the flight to Buffalo. Sobering to hear.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

at times like these I’d rather trust Forslund & Kaiton that espn and the rest of those hacks..

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by CaniacSteve on Feb 5, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I was at the game and Cam actually played well under the circumstances though he seemed to move very carefully … the man deserves a long rest …

by sabre74kkn on Feb 5, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

:( This hurts my heart a little a lot.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too. :-(

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Sisu

by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Mo shouldn’t have run him into the ground. Just because the kid says he can play 23 or whatever games in a row doesn’t mean they should let him.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

If Cam is out for any extended period, which I see no need to rush him back and risk anything further, we should get back in the running for 30th.

by Killswitch on Feb 5, 2010 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm…playing 20 straight games might have something to do with Cam’s back being hurt again!

Why would you play your franchise goalie so hard in the middle of a lost season??? Thanks Mo!

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Feb 5, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

Mo deserves his fair share of the blame, but ultimately this is a situation where his boss should have stepped in and said " Stop ". JR did not need to publicly blast him, simply call him upstairs and say that we don’t want Cam to become Rick DiPinjuredo, as some allude to above. JR didn’t. Cam’s back is bad, and as someone also said in an early thread, bad backs don’t go away, they just settle down for awhile.

it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed

by Douchebag St John on Feb 5, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps, but it’s a fine line. I don’t really like the idea of a GM making coaching decisions and would prefer the coach to get it right. If the Coach is dumb enough to need a GM to step in, maybe we should be looking for a better coach…

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Feb 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Coach is dumb enough to need a GM to step in, maybe we should be looking for a better coach…

That is where the issue lies….

it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed

by Douchebag St John on Feb 5, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does Tom Barrasso always get off scot-free in these goalie discussions? Do you all not think he has a say in who starts? Can’t say I see him being a shrinking violet in that regard.

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by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but ultimately it is the coaches decision. And if the coach can’t make the right decision, get him out of here.

Still not a crook!

by TrickyD26 on Feb 5, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You could be right, but Mo has the title of " Head " coach which means the buck should stop there as far as to on ice decisions.

it always burns within
the downward spiral never ends
when driven into sin
your salvation's found in a sinner's deed

by Douchebag St John on Feb 5, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we all sort of forget about him to be honest; that out of sight, out of mind thing comes into play here. But you are right, he (supposedly) does take part in this decision making process. Ultimately though, it seems that it all comes down to Mo. From what I’ve gathered, he did this his first time around which was before Tommy B. And to this day he rides guys who are hot (not just goalies) until they all but drop.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

A Player's Coach Perhaps

   I think uniformly athletes want to play as much as possible when they are in their zone. I don’t fault a coach for playing the hot players. It’s a great incentive for all the players and makes the games more fun and challenging for the players in a losing season. There is a point of overdoing the concept; but I would rather see that approach than some scientific formula for substitutions or playing time disassociated from the effectiveness of the players on the ice.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d agree with you if Cam was on a 12 game winning streak; then he would be in the zone and then there would at least be some sort of justification. I don’t think there should be a scientific formula for this, just plain old common sense on the part of the whole coaching staff and the entire “brain trust”.

He played a ton of games in a row last season and his back caught him in the ECF. He played a lot of games in a row this season and his back caught him on the plane. At some point, they have to start looking at maybe giving him some more rest. At least IMO, it’s better to be a little more conservative and not turn him into another DiPi.

"This guy is as meat and potatoes as there is of a man."
Gleason for Emperor!

by caniacgirl on Feb 5, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

makes tons of sense with this latest flare up to err on the side of not burning out Cam Ward. Legace battled tonight.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

But do you really believe that Barrasso’s telling the “Head” coach one thing and he’s overriding him? Really?

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Sisu

by LTD on Feb 5, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

A bad back can go out any time or can be fine for game after game. Realistically, crazy as it sounds, the doctors make the decision. It is counter-intuitive; but I respectfully suggest that with the nature of Cam Ward’s back, he is no more likely to hurt it after playing 10 straight games than if he plays 8 of 10 — other than the same statistical likelihood that any time he plays he could potentially hurt his back. It is not a matter of being tired or fatigued that makes him susceptible to tweaking his back. At this point in the flopped season, it is useful to see how Legace and Peters play. If it were me, I’d be saving Cam Ward for home games and giving Legace and Peters the opportunity to battle it out for a spot on the roster next year.

by abramsdoug on Feb 5, 2010 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

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