Clicks and Clippings: I Love Jussi!
by Carolyn Christians on Mar 30, 2010 3:03 PM EDT
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Thanks to the Hall-of-Fame-Voice-of -your-Carolina-Hurricanes Chuck Kaiton on 99.9 the Fan last night, we were able to follow much of the game in Atlanta as he painted a picture of the game between the Canes and the Thrashers with his play-by-play. However, with that convincing win and the questions that come with the return of Cam Ward, I wanted a little bit more. Thank you TSN.ca for providing highlights with a call. That silent feed from NHL.com was just a little creepy to me. Unfortunately, it won't let me embed it so click over here and see what we missed.
So our beloved [O, say can] Jussi Jokinen is re-writing his career stats, with 2 goals last night taking him to 29 on the season and 60 points so far. During his rookie year, 2005-06, with the Dallas Stars, his numbers were his previous best-ever 17-38-55. It also marked Jokinen's 100th game as a Hurricane (y'know we're still fond of talking about that Trade). And although the Canes have lingered at the bottom of the standings, it's wonderful to see that he's getting noticed, this from the front page at NHL.com.
TSN's coverage quoted the game's first star in the re-cap. "We had a team meeting this morning and said we had to play harder," Jokinen said. "It's going to be an uphill climb for us." And here is quick audio of his comments after the game - "We are gonna battle as long as we still have a chance" . Not that any of us find it surprising to learn he still believes the playoffs are a possibility. Y'know what else? This fine Finn will celebrate his 27th birthday this Thursday, April 1st. Wonder what he can put together on this roadtrip playing the Montreal Canadiens and the Ottawa Senators to mark the occasion? Stay tuned - and be sure to help this wunderCane celebrate!
After the jump looking at some other Hurricanes players, past and present and future, in the news.
Goalie Cam Ward's 26 for 27 save performance last night was also recognized: Monday's Three Stars: Miller rules March; Ward wins in return - Puck Daddy No. 2 Star: Cam Ward, Carolina Hurricanes (with goalies Ryan Miller and Curtis McElhinney at # 1 and 3).
Observations from the blueline from Brian Pothier and Brett Carson in this piece yesterday: Ward returns to new-look defense - NewsObserver.com When Cam Ward last started a game in goal for the Carolina Hurricanes, he had some older, familiar faces working in front of him.
Brind'Amour won't make a rash decision on future - NHL.com - In The Spotlight Bob posted this earlier, but be sure you don't miss this lengthy feature on the veteran Rod Brind`Amour, just out this morning: Carolina Hurricanes veteran Rod Brind'Amour says he will take some time to make a decision on his future after a disappointing season.
Southeast: Gleason gives Marines signed USA flag - NHL.com Tim Gleason's gift for Marines was pure gold. It's also not too late to bid on Team USA Olympic Game-worn jerseys auction At $720, the #4 Tim Gleason is a steal. Ryan Miller's is going for over $6000.
Dwyer's fire raising Canes | Great Falls Tribune Patrick Dwyer was a 17-year-old kid playing in a men's Junior A hockey league, Rikard Gronborg remembers. "The kid's got unbelievable drive and competitiveness," Gronborg said. "He's never backed down from anything."
Promotions: Play with the Canes 2010 - Carolina Hurricanes While we're imagining the young Paddy Dwyer, be sure to check out this one. Hockeymom loves that 6-year old!
The official blogger and media frontman for the Capitals, Mike Vogel, took some time to catch-up with former Cap' Brian Pothier last week. The Massachusetts native, who spent nearly 4 seasons in Washington, offers some unusual insight as he compares the two franchises and the style of players who comprise them.
Hurricanes' alumni
Does Joe Corvo Make the Caps a Better Puck Possession Team? - Japers' Rink (the numbers, comparing him to Pothier's, suggest "yes")
Eaves SO Fail KuklasKorner : Hockey Patrick Eaves' Shootout Fail
Jack Johnson: King-sized frustration - ProHockeyTalk NBC Sports For this feature, we asked a simple question: "Who is your team's most frustrating player?" (stop smirking, readers)
Matt Cullen is contributing to his team in Ottawa, here named 2nd star of the night, over the weekend. Florida Panthers vs. Ottawa Senators - ESPN and then here's what Cullen is saying about the Senators' recent 4-game win streak: CANOE: Bruce Garrioch: Sens rock like a Hurricane Cullen says hot run Carolina enjoyed last season is what's happening to Ottawa in 2010
The future:
Here's a sample of newly-signed River Rat Zac Dalpe's skills on the ice:
More from Albany, Rats’ magic number for playoffs reduced to one - timesunion.com - Albany NY Jerome Samson finished a week in which he had three goals and five assists. Zac Dalpe, a rookie, has goals in three straight games in registered five goals and an assist on the week.
From coverage of the NCAA Frozen Four, Top 10 Reasons Boston College Hockey Can Win National Title at Detroit's Frozen Four NESN.com Canes' prospect and BC freshman Brian Dumoulin and senior Carl Sneep comprise arguably the best defensive pairing in the country.
Draft talk
The discussion of the prospects available in the upcoming 2010 Draft is heating up. Mike Morreale at NHL.com has been blogging from Toronto and put up a great series of spotlights since Sunday. Prospecting with Central Scouting - NHL.com. Here's a sample: Scouts debate between Hall and Seguin - NHL.com "I don't think, since I've been a part of Central Scouting, have I seen two guys as close as Hall and Seguin," said CSS goalie scout Al Jensen during the meeting."
These have been linked in comments, but if you hadn't picked it up, they've even begun the mock drafts at NHL.com. Of course after last night's win, the Canes have moved from 3rd to 6th, and we are reminded it is a little early to lock and load.
And for ease of reference, you've seen these before, but here's the TSN Draftcentre link and the current odds for the #1 pick in the Lottery.
On the topic of the Lottery, as it pertains to the Florida Panthers, here's one writer's take on the consequences of tanking your season for a pick. Well-said and pertinent to why, as Canes fans, we're mostly happy when they win. Tanking Will Not Help the Florida Panthers | PuckUpdate The Panthers have not only created a culture of losing, they seem to somehow actively encourage it.
Finally, sharing some sunshine and LOLs
You probably heard about the Capitals' fans booing their team off the ice Sunday afternoon at first intermision, when they allowed 4 unanswered goals in the first period to the struggling Calgary Flames. Even the team's owner, Ted Leonsis, felt obligated to educate these unforgiving (and one has to assume fairweather/bandwagon) fans with this post : Tough Room " Teds Take And some of the fans booed, as is their right......But try to be happy. I know you can do it.
Study confirms you do not miss every shot you never take | Intent to Blow After years of pouring through data, conducting tests and performing detailed analysis scientists confirmed Tuesday that despite Wayne Gretzky's insistence, you do not miss every shot you never take.
Based on this recent poll released by ESPN the Magazine: Candid NHLers weigh in on the big questions in anonymous poll, the always great for a laugh hockeyblog, Down Goes Brown, brings us: ESPN's NHL player survey: The missing questions. I'm going to ...reveal the ten NHL player poll questions ESPN forgot to tell you about.
Last - you've likely seen it over on the Fanposts, but please stop by here and think about coming out on April 10th. A good time will be had by all. Canes Country Closes out the Season: April 10th at Backyard Bistro!
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GOod stuff Hmo2, you rock!
BUt I gotta say that play with Dalpe is almost ALL Blanchard, what a fake, and then a helluva pass behind the Goalie to Dalpe. That was a beautiful play.
Blanchard and Dalpe
Blanchard did make an excellent play. I like watching Blanchard and like his physical game. Dalpe is one of those rare players who has the body control to shoot accurately at full speed. He also has great timing so he gets to the gaps in the ice at the right moment. Samson is developing his inside game as well. The Albany Rats coaching deserves credit for the way they are developing the talent in the Hurricanes’ organization.
Thank You,Thank You,Thank You
HM2…as always…good stuff & a great effort !!
" Chadness" is contagious ! Go Canes !!
Jokinen Trade
Jokinen has been such a tremendous part of the Hurricanes. It’s hard to think of a better trade by the Hurricanes. Imagine Nino/Staal/Jokinen as the first line; Whitney/Sutter/Ruutu as the second line; Boychuk/Dalpe/Tlusty (or Bowman) or perhaps Boychuk/Tlusty/Cole as the third line and LaRose (or Osala)/Dwyer/Kostopoulos as the fourth line.
AD,
Why do you keep putting Rosie on the 4th line? :) He deserves better than that.
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LaRose on the Fourth Line
LaRose is a wonderful person; but talent-wise he is not of the same caliber hockey player as Boychuk, Tlusty, Dalpe, and Bowman. The way Samson is developing, he is going to challenge for a roster spot as well. With Osala’s size, speed, and hands, he may well take a roster spot next season.
LaRose lacks the size, speed, and strength of Cole; so if the choice comes down to LaRose or Cole, Cole is more likely to be the choice. LaRose has been injured much of this year, but his performance this year when healthy was nowhere near what is required of a $1,900,000 salaried player. It’s not personal. I am trying to assess what is likely to happen based on skill, talent, and the Maurice/Francis/Rowe system. LaRose has a problem with the self-discipline required under that system and takes far too many penalties. I like LaRose and like the intangibles he brings; but he has an enormous challenge ahead of him. The odds are against LaRose getting top nine minutes in 2011-2012 and depending on how rapidly Dalpe, Bowman, and Tlusty develop, LaRose may hit the wall in 2010-2011.
Perhaps I’m wearing rose colored glasses (yes a pun was intended), but I haven’t noticed nearly as big a problem with Chad taking penalties as you have. I think his presence on the PK would suggest Mo and the rest of the coaching staff aren’t all that concerned either.
Last season he racked up 35 PIMs in 81 GP. This season he’s taken 18 PIMs in 50 GP (that’s .36 penalty minutes per game). It’s hard to compare that to other players who’ve played more games, but for comparison’s sake Cole has taken 27 PIMs in 34 GP (.79 penalty minutes per game). Jokinen has 34 PIMs in 75 GP (.45 penalty minutes per game).
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
LaRose and Penalties
I agree LaRose has improved significantly his discipline. Here are some more statistics from this year that lead me to think he is going to have to improve his performance next season or he will be on the fourth line:
50 games played; 7 goals; 11 assist; 18 points -6 PIM.
Weighing the figures somewhat because he played injured almost all those games, assume for discussion’s sake that he would double his production next season that would be 14 goals, 22 assists for 36 points. Those kind of numbers are not the numbers of a top nine player on a team that has very, very talented young, fast, bigger forwards waiting their turn to play. Add a $1,900,000.00 salary next season and it is troublesome.
Rosie has not had his best season, but his production (when healthy) hasn’t been horrible. I’m not trying to say Chad is a top 6 guy, but I think he’s a perfect 3rd liner. His career numbers including this season say he about a 30 to 35 point guy with a positive +/-. Those aren’t spectacular numbers, but are solid for his role. I agree he probably makes a little to much (he should probably be around $1.3/yr), but he throw in 19 goals last season for $19.99 and a six pack. He’s getting what he’s due IMO. I love his hustle and think he plays an important part in the locker room. I know he’s only signed for 1 more year, but I hope JR can work out an extension.
I know you are high on the kids AD, but I would rather have Chad on my 3rd line than Bowman or Tlusty. This is just my preference of a checking 3rd line rather than a secondary scoring 3rd line. If the Canes somehow got Seguin – I could really see a 3rd line in 11-12 of LaRose-Sutter-Osala and I would love that line.
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by PackPride17 on Mar 30, 2010 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chad > Erik
If someone has to go, it would be Erik Cole, not Chad LaRose, if left up to me. Admittedly, Erik’s going to be tougher to dump than Chad, who is at least a useful player (you heard me, Erik).
In 50 GP this season, Chad is 7-11-18 and is a minus 6.
In 34 GP this season, Erik is 10-3-13 and is a minus 8.
Projected to a 50 GP pace, Erik would be 15-4-19 and a minus 12, so nearly identical production, except Erik has more goals than assists, whereas Chad has more assists than goals.
Both are right wings, except Erik draws $1.1M more in salary next season than Chad ($3.0M vs. $1.9M). That’s an important difference, right there.
Add in the intangibles (tons for Chad…any for Erik?) and it’s no contest who goes and who stays, at least as far as I’m concerned.
Couldn't agree more
Erik Cole is just not the same player any more. I know he’s been hurt most of the season but I just don’t see that he sparks the team the way LaRose does. We need energy and with the salary vs results from this year I don’t see why you would keep Cole on the team moving forward.
by playwithpride on Mar 30, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing to think about though….
According to Hockey-reference.com
Goals per game (career): COLE 0.30 LAROSE 0.14
Assist per game (career) COLE 0.33 LAROSE 0.19
Points per game (Career) COLE 0.66 LAROSE 0.33
Cole is on a normal year what Larose is in a break out year.
If you are willing to forgive Larose for one bad year then you should do the same for Cole. Cole has proven to be an above average NHL talent. Larose plays with the same abandon Cole used to but lacks his size. That gives little optimism that he will be more than a flash in the pan.
The odds are doubtful that all the prospects work out as expected in such a short amount of time but as AD mentions 2011-12 will probably see him playing 4 line at best if he is resigned. He will probably get ice time the way the team gave it to Sutter in the begining: fourth line minutes at even strength but a ton of PK time.
by CarolinaCanes on Mar 30, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
To get a truer representation you would also need to put Cole’s and LaRose’s TOI per game. Cole has consistently been on a 1st or 2nd line, while LaRose spent most of his time on a 3rd or 4th line. There’s no doubt Cole is a more talented player, but LaRose has those intangibles that I feel make him more important to the team.
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by PackPride17 on Mar 30, 2010 10:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Larose:13:04
Cole:17:48
Still leads pretty heavily for Colesy. Basically the same PPG totals averaged out (but more goals for Cole) in what would take Larose five minutes and change more ice time per game to accomplish.
But you could also bring up that Cole played on Brind’amours line early in his career and Staal’s line later but thats what better players deserve. Plus he racked up almost as many goals as assist. I don’t think the two are compariable players. I’ve been as down on Cole as anyone and was happy to see him go and kinda mad when we traded Williams for him (in a round about way) but I try to be fair about it.
by CarolinaCanes on Mar 30, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want to assess their careers, perhaps the edge does go to Cole. However, in fairness, Rosie is trailing behind him 3.5 years in age, so may not yet have peaked.
But, my point is not that Rosie at his peak is better than Cole at his peak. It’s not about who was the best player in their prime.
What I’m saying is that Rosie is the far better value for next season, with comparable results. So, if the right wing slot is so crowded someone has to go (and it is)…then I’d keep Chad and deal Erik.
If the present Hurricanes are so average, what explanation is there for why since January they are playing as well as any team in the NHL; and particularly when the Hurricanes #1 goalie has been out with injury? The Hurricanes’ performance is of a top five team over that period of time. Staal has been injured over the course of that time and during much of that time Ruutu has been injured.
Because you make the playoffs based on an 82 game season. We’re the 6th worst team in the NHL and what we did since January is only going make our draft position worse. You’re inserting 4-6 players that have never proven themselves at the NHL level and seem to be expecting the same results their getting in the AHL.
Have you looked at any of the mock drafts? Most have us at 3-5 and have Nino at 9-11, there’s a lot of better talent in between.
If the Canes finish with the 3rd or 4th pick, I would see them taking one of the defenseman. If they finish with the 5th – 8th, I have no problem with them selecting Nino or Connolly. Both players have some size and speed and that is what the Canes need. I think the talent level between 4th and 11th is not all that much, so Nino at 5 would not be a huge stretch to me. The Canes selecting Paradis (about 20 slots higher than expected) is a stretch.
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by PackPride17 on Mar 30, 2010 7:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One thing about Connolly you can’t overlook is that, despite being hurt all of this season, he was CHL Rookie of the Year last season. He is in pretty good company in that regard… the last 5 players to win the award were Taylor Hall, Patrick Kane, John Tavares, Benoit Pouliot, and Sidney Crosby.
Who’s that Crosby kid? Is he any good? All of those other players get a lot of press, but I’ve never heard a thing about Sidney Crosby.
Just to note the bad news tonight. Toronto, Tampa, and the Islanders all lost. Boston also beat NJ in OT 1-0. So we lose ground on 8th and all the teams behind us in the standings lose. I guess we remain in the 6th draft slot (I know its a lottery).
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by PackPride17 on Mar 30, 2010 9:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At this point we are pretty much guaranteed finishing in the bottom 6 in the league. Toronto, Tampa, and the Islanders losing hurts but we have some tough games coming up against Montreal and Boston who will be fighting hard to get a win for a playoff spot. I hate to root for the Canes to lose and win long-term, but at this point the Draft picks are looking to tasty to pass up.
We will definitely finish above Edmonton. It appears that we will finish above Toronto, the Islanders, Tampa, Florida. And a chance we will finish ahead of Columbus. So I think our draft position will be the 5th – 7th slot. I was hoping for 2nd or 3rd, but we still have a slim chance with the lottery.
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by PackPride17 on Mar 30, 2010 10:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn’t count the Islanders, Tampa, or Florida out just yet. They are all only 1 point behind us and Florida has a game in hand. Columbus has been playing great lately, I think we will definitely beat them. Being a big nerd I have a pretty detailed excel of all the bottom teams and their match-ups the rest of the season. Some interesting things I noted:
1) One HUGE help to us is that the Panthers and Lightning play each other 2 games in a row at the end of the season. That is guaranteed points to them.
2) We have the hardest record in my opinion. We play the Canadiens twice and Boston once at the end of the season and they will be fighting HARD for the 8th playoff spot.
3) The Islanders play the Pens twice and the Devils once the last 3 games of the season. These teams will likely be taking it easy and maybe even resting star players for going into the playoffs.
4) Tampa Bay, the Islanders, and the Panthers are perennial losers. They have drafted high the past 3+ years and it hasn’t improved their playoff chances so they aren’t really “banking” on a good draft pick.
5) The Canes realize the importance of this pick, you have to know they have got to be VERY high on Seguin and would love to have him. Not to say we are going to throw games, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Legace in more than necessary.
Connolly
Despite playing only 16 games he still managed 19 points on one of the worst teams in the WHL. Before the season started it was felt the top picks would be Hall, Seguin, Connolly, Fowler; in that order. If we can get him at 5 or 6 that would be great, he’s a big kid with all the tools to be a prolific scorer, he’s done it at every level so far. The other great thing about him is he’s a winger, so he’d fit nicely with Staal.
I’d probably have to agree with this. Outside Hall and Seguin, Fowler is the only D that we should consider taking. If we miss him we might as well grab Connolly and hope the injury will heal and he will be back to CHL Rookie of the Year form.
The only reason I’d take Connolly over Gudbranson and Gormley is our team needs. We need a potential first line winger and we are never going to pick one up in Free Agency. The only way we are going to get a real 1st liner to play with Staal is through the Draft, we can pick up a mediocre Defender to fill out our top-4 a lot easier than finding a top line winger.
Agree, I think after Hall/Seguin he’s the best player on the board and if we pass on him we’ll be hating ourselves. We seem to have our d core sewed up pretty good and the next biggest hole is top line scoring. His injury’s is healed, he played the final 3 games and had 6 points. Connolly>Fowler, especially with our needs.
Hurricanes 2010 draft
I am assuming the Hurricanes pick somewhere around 6 to 10. The choices shown at www.nhl.com for 3 to 5 are almost all showing up as either Fowler, Gormley, or Gudbranson; so I would expect the Hurricanes to pick one of those three players if they pick 3 through 5. Riley Sheahan and Brett Connolly appear in many lists ahead of Niederreiter and Bjugstad; but those rankings I think will fluctuate.
The Hurricanes are winning with a team decimated by injuries at forward and the young forwards are performing extremely well. I believe they will be better players next season for the experience. Tlusty’s performance when at Carolina was quite good; and is likely to improve. Dalpe is an unknown in terms of the transition to the NHL.
The performance of the team in October, November, and December with players who are no longer on the team or where players missed significant time due to injury seems less significant than how the current team is performing as one projects into next season.
If we really got a 6th-10th pick I might take Riley Sheahan… But I’d probably rather trade it with some 2nds to someone like Atlanta, Pheonix, or Anaheim for their 2 higher 1st round picks. There are a ton of steals that will go 10-20th and I’d rather take a flier on two of them than just Sheahan. Opinions very so greatly that guys in lesser leagues or bad situations like Bjugstad (High School), Forbert (USHL), Merrill (USHL), Kabanov (deserter), Psysk (horrible team), Granlund (Finnish), ect…
I think we will win 2 more games (hopefully at home) and lose 3 and end up in 3rd-4th to last depending on how the Leafs do. We will win the Draft Lottery and leak out to the media that we want Hall which will drive Edmonton nuts. At the draft we will trade the 1st to Edmonton (so they are assure Hall) for the 2nd Overall and their 2nd round and take Tyler Seguin with the 2nd Overall pick.
That might be the sweetest out come I could think of. Ive been a big proponent of losing but Montreal makes that tough on me. If it meant a spot in the standings I guess I could stomach it, but I hate those guys.
by CarolinaCanes on Mar 30, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Right and we were projected at the end of last season to be a top 4 team in the Eastern Conference, so that works well. I really hope Neiterrieter’s (sp) not the best player on the board when we’re drafting. I didn’t really think he was that good at the WJC. I’m crossing my fingers right now for either: Gormley, Fowler, or Connolly. Every team deals with injuries to key players at some point in a season and every team that doesn’t make the playoffs uses it as an excuse, so the guys that lace up nightly have to get it done, which we didn’t this year. Hockey Cliche: “if you’re not playing hurt, you’re not playing hard enough”.
Anthem
“So our beloved [O, say can] Jussi Jokinen is re-writing his career stats, with 2 goals last night…”
I attended the Hurricanes – Thrashers game on Saturday night at the RBC center. I live in Washington DC, so I really look forward to the opportunity to actually be at home when I go to see the ’Canes. I must say I was beyond disappointed at the home crowd screaming at various points during our National Anthem: “You See” (Jussi) and “Red” for example.
Dare I say, as a Hurricanes fan, there are things more important than cheering on your team during the Anthem (and I understand other teams do it, like the Capitals and the NC State Wolfpack). Our anthem is about honoring our country and those who sacrifice to keep us safe and free. If you don’t believe me, take a trip up to Walter Reed Medical Center or Arlington National Cemetery.
You have 2 and 1/2, 3 hours to cheer, save it for the game.
+1
And here I thought I was the only one who didn’t care for that extra cheering. Then again, I’m such a traditionalist that I appreciated the national anthem scene in “Hoosiers” when there was actual silence between the singers’ finishing the anthem and the crowd’s applause.
"It's better to give than to receive." -Tim Gleason
Well, if he didn't say it he should have.
In the spirit of using the blog to openly discuss and respect each other's points of view,
Out of curiosity, how did you feel about the 23 members of Team USA Olympic hockey team signing the flag Gleason presented them? Was that okay to do? (It actually crossed my mind as against the rules – but I wasn’t sure). Do you think the active-duty US Marines who came to the game were offended by (or just a little uncomfortable with) either the anthem embellishment or by the names on the flag?
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Mar 30, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting point, I’ve never really gave it any thought. I always get jacked up and I know the players do as well when it’s loud during the national anthem, I don’t think it’s disrespectful. What would be cool next year when we’re in the playoffs (hopefully next year as a 1 seed) is if the crowd sings the national anthem like they did game 6 2006 in Edmonton, that was awesome.
I will grant you this: It’s not as bad as last year, when I was at a Canadiens-Avalanche game in Denver where a large gathering of Habs fans booed the US national anthem. Had they been anywhere near our section, I would have had some pointed words for them.
by Headstrong94 on Mar 30, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
That is another thing entirely. Whether or not you like the “additions,” to the anthem it is at least a piling on of respect, not a negation. Booing is just crass.
by Raccoon Fink on Mar 30, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
HM I’m glad you brought up the point about the flag as I was going to comment on that as well.
I would never in a million years ask a US player to sign a USA flag but I know people who have asked players to autograph Finland and Sweden flags, and I wonder if players from other countries see that as desecration of their flags.
When I first heard about Team USA signing the flag it unnerved me a little, but then I thought the soldiers might be okay with it because of the spirit in which it was intended, which was to support and uplift them. I need to ask my dad his thoughts about it, he served in the Marines. It would be interesting to get his rather “old school” perpective.
For me, it’s all about context and intentions. I personally don’t yell “RED”. I did yell “JUSSI” one time, the first time, but not since. I don’t yell “the twilight’s last GLEASON” either but I do still laugh about it a little. It is a sporting event after all, and I don’t personally see it as a sign of disrespect as much as a sign of spirit, and I see nothing wrong with that.
But I’m also okay with folks who don’t appreciate it because I do understand why they would feel that way even if I don’t.
Phoblographer and aficionado of all things Finnish
Sisu
by Jamie Kellner on Mar 30, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in the military 4 years as a point of reference.
And I yell ‘Jussi’. If people want to get all nationalistic and misty-eyed Every time they hear the National Anthem go on ahead. I’m at a sporting event and I’m there to have fun.
I stand up, if I wear a hat I take it off, I quit drinking beer for a moment. And I yell ‘Jussi’. Land of the Free and the Brave.
Eric Staal...Team Canada first line
by drifterscape on Mar 31, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it was fine to sign the flag. I thought about it a bit and feel that since it was done out of respect and to show support for our troops it was fine. In regards to the National Anthem, I served my country with great pride as did my brother and father. I was a bit startled the first time I ever heard anything like that.
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting"..........holy cow.......what a ride!"
(Sorry it posted before I finished)
When the National Anthem is played I stand at attention with my hat and hand over my heart. Sometimes, much to the displeasure of those around me I sing. The Anthem is very important to me and helps me express my pride and loyalty to my country. In regards to how others express themselves, it doesn’t really bother me. I chose to do it the old fashioned way. I have earned that right but don’t judge others. I am also respectful of the Canadian Anthem and won’t tolerate any disrespect shown to it, as someone said please remember that we have Canadian players on our team.
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting"..........holy cow.......what a ride!"
I guarantee if I write more than I am going to it will border on disrespect… I love my country, but I need to give this a -2, there are many more things that are more disrespectful than the yells Canes fans do during the anthem. I personally do not yell Jussi or Red, I cover my heart with my hand and remove my hat as do many around me… Whats more disrespectful is these lousy double talking politicians that are interested only in power and personal agendas… I would be more pissed off at the lies coming out of Washington and our state governments than at some fans getting juiced up for a game. Just my humble opinion.
Hockeymomof2: I have to think on that. I am not a Marine, so I don’t want to speak for them. I’ll have to think about that a little more though.
“Whats more disrespectful is these lousy double talking politicians that are interested only in power and personal agendas… I would be more pissed off at the lies coming out of Washington and our state governments…” Totally agree there Max. And I am glad when I hear people still say they love their country. That said, I still consider myself a traditionalist when it comes to the anthem.
I guess at the end of the day we can all thank God that we live in a country where we can talk about/disagree/agee on this stuff openly.
by Headstrong94 on Mar 30, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I also am not one that yells during the anthem, but I really don’t view it as disrespectful. I can understand why some would feel that way. I think those people have the right to say what they want and if its during the anthem, that’s fine with me.
Of course I am probably not the best person to comment of this topic. I wear a hat almost all the time (indoors also) and some people find that disrespectful. If someone says something to me, I will remove it out of respect for their feelings/beliefs.
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by PackPride17 on Mar 30, 2010 9:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh say can YOU SEE!
As long as Jussi plays with the canes I will yell Jussi as loud as I can. Technically I’m just singing that part a little louder. No disrespect to our lovely country……..
Mo leave the F**kin first line Staal, Jussi, and the Wizard, whats wrong with ya!
The Anthem and The Flag
I’m glad someone brought this up. I for one don’t like the yelling during the National Anthem. Thanks to a couple of months spent in the tiny slice of hell most people refer to as Parris Island, I come to attention and rarely take my eyes off the flag until it’s over. But that is just me. I have enough common sense to know that RBCC, or any other sports venue for that matter, is not filled with 18,000+ US Marines, soldiers, sailors, or airmen. Not everyone had that sort of respect drilled into them day after day after day. Although my Marine career was short and I wear a different uniform now, I still believe the National Anthem is a time for respect, which I personally will continue to give. After all, I took an oath to protect that flag and all that it stands for. I continue to honor that oath in my present career of law enforcement. If people want to yell, let them yell. Whether I like it or not, they aren’t doing it in any sort of disrespectful manner. They are only showing support of their team. You won’t hear me yelling during the Anthem, but if you’re close enough, you just might hear a faint “Ooh rah!” when it’s over.
As for the flag being signed by the players, I initially had mixed feelings about that. If you look at flag etiquette you will see, clearly stated, “the flag is considered in and of itself a living breathing thing, and is to be treated as such.” When I saw that story I initially thought, “holy crap they wrote all over the American flag!”. But you have to take a step back for a minute and look at it this way. The people who signed that flag did one thing that, at least in my mind, makes it ok. They came together, united if you will, and competed to represent our nation against other nations. In doing so they helped unite our nation, at least for a short while, more than we have been in a long time. For a couple of weeks it was USA ALL THE WAY. The hockey players who signed that flag and handed it over to those Marines, who will take it and show their appreciation by flying it in another country, did so in support of those Marines. I don’t have a problem with that. The fact they signed it doesn’t mean it was desecrated or disrespected.
One more quick thought to my ramble. I won’t stand attention, but I will stand silent, for the Canadian National Anthem (which is pretty cool by the way), but I won’t yell and boo either. The last time I checked, there are quite a few Canadians who play for the home team.
CC, thanks for your perspective, I think it’s very well grounded and well said. I have a follow-up question for you and this is a serious question. Many times I take pictures during the anthem – of the players, the flag corps when we have one, of the anthem singer. I try not to move around a lot or be obtrusive but I do move around. My camera is large so it’s hard to miss and the shutter does make noise albeit not loud. I’m not standing completely still but I am singing the anthem (in fact I sing both), but I’ve often wondered if people (especially those who served) think I’m being disrespectful for doing that.
Phoblographer and aficionado of all things Finnish
Sisu
by Jamie Kellner on Mar 31, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Good job folks
This is a really interesting dialog about a subject that is really worthwhile. Thanks everyone for speaking so well and sharing your thoughts and perspective. Thanks for bringing it up Headstrong94.
We have great blog community!
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Mar 31, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
My father was a Marine for 20 years, my brother in the Navy for over 20, a grandfather, uncle and cousins who all served for 20 or more years, and while none of them would yell during the anthem nor write on a flag, as long as something is not disrespectful or an attempt to show disdain or desecration, they all would either just smile or hold themselves up just a little bit straighter.
by ncdavid on Mar 31, 2010 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I HEART JUSSI!
JUSSI FOR THE CHIASSON AWARD!
Great stuff HM will respond with deeper thoughts when I’m not thumbing a Blackberry.
Sent from Blackberry
Phoblographer and aficionado of all things Finnish
Sisu
by Jamie Kellner on Mar 30, 2010 5:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is cool check it out, Hockey at its greatest.
Mo leave the F**kin first line Staal, Jussi, and the Wizard, whats wrong with ya!
That is cool – thanks for finding it. (is that going to be part of that TV show they’re doing about re-matches from bygone days I’ve seen advertised?)
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Mar 30, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Cullen vs Corvo of Center Ice tonight. (Sens vs Caps) Already 2-1, Ottawa, only 5 minutes into it.
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Mar 30, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions
Clicks and Clippings: I Love Jussi! edition
Just began to get into this issue of the Canes Country “magazine” this evening, and have to stop to say it is a very enjoyable read (and view).
Not sure how you find all of these gems, but there are some in particular that are not to be missed.
The Brian Pothier interview with the Caps media guy is just outstanding. Great insight into the Canes org, locker room, league reputation…well, just a great find and highly recommended if you have not yet heard it.
elskling liked the Great Falls hometown article on Dwyer, mostly because she has family from that area (3-4 generations ago). Never would have seen that without your link.
Throw in the Jack Johnson frustration article and little tidbits like it being Jussi’s birthday on April Fools Day (always bet on the Birthday Boy, by the way, in all sports events)…and, well, I’m heading back for the second half of the issue.
Thanks for the labor of love, hockeymomof2. Most appreciated.
+1000000000000000000000
Totally agreed with you there, these articles are always very interesting! It must take hmo2 a LOT of time and for that I give my sincere respect and thanks! =D
Brian Dumoulin
Drafted by the Canes in the second round (51st overall) in 2009, 6’4" D-man, Brian Dumoulin, is currently a freshman on the Boston College hockey team.
There’s a NESN article linked above that offers the Top Ten Reasons BC will win the Frozen Four title, but for those that didn’t click the link, within that article is Reason #9:
9. The top defensive pairing
Freshman Brian Dumoulin and senior Carl Sneep comprise arguably the best defensive pairing in the country. Dumoulin, who should be named to the national all-rookie team, is second in the country with a plus-33 rating. Opponents simply have no easy path to the net when he’s on the ice…
Yes indeed. The future is very bright, indeed.
You can watch him on April 8th on ESPNU when BC takes on Miami in the semifinals of the Frozen Four. (same as our home game vs Montreal – so set the DVR). I saw a bit of him in the Regional Final Sunday afternoon, which was a 9-7 pondhockey game (BC vs Yale). He doesn’t handle the puck much, goes to the corners and battles in the D zone, and then hovers in the crease, blocking shots and keeping the pesky forwards out of the area. He wouldn’t think of pinching though a blast from the point is within in repertoire. He had amazing plus/minus for the season (the very best in the conference) and for the playoffs so far. So he must be doing something right.
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Mar 30, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Dumoulin was a great choice… An obvious great choice. He had the best Body Mass Index out of every single player in the Draft Combine last year, that screams dedication. I’m sure he is in good hands at Boston College and they will pack a few more pounds on him…. I’d guess he would probably join the Canes after next season if all goes well.
For the same reason a lot of good players are going to fall through the cracks this draft… They play in obscure Junior leagues such as the EJHL (A USA Hockey League) which get little merit in Draft conversations. A kid could be a superstar in these leagues and they would never rate him very high because his competition simply isn’t good enough at that moment.
Take Nick Bjustad this year. He is a Superstar in US High School Hockey but he would never get rated as high as Seguin or Hall because US High School hockey is like mighty mites compared to the OHL.
We would hope, it’s harder and harder to find diamonds in the rough, kids are getting scouted at 12 years old and even earlier in some situations (there’s a tournament called the Brick in western Canada which is 10 year olds who come on the radar, which is crazy). USHL leagues are pretty heavily scouted these days, so I’m guessing he had some sort of flaw in his game, but I’ll conceded the point.
Thanks HockeyMom.. I LOVE the headline.
Great that Jussi is getting some recognition. Well deserved!
"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."
I think it is funny that
the 3 stars on NHL dot com is sponsored by Compuware. You’d think we’d have more entrants…
You'd think that if PK had a lick of sense
He’d have used his influence to get a bunch of our dead weight picked as “stars” earlier this spring in order to drive up their trade value right before the deadline…
by East of Here on Mar 30, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think PK has more than a lick of sense, but I think that idea is just pure brilliant.
by CarolinaCanes on Mar 30, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And isn’t the NHL’s Premier series in Europe sponsored by Compuware?
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Mar 30, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to listen to the game Monday night on the XM radio in my Dodge Charger/office. Unfortunately I could only catch bits and pieces of it and made sure I glanced down at the display to see the score. That doesn’t break my heart though. The Thrashers announcers are horrible. It sounds like I missed a good game though.
While I was waiting for the game to begin I had tuned in to the NHL radio network. I don’t remember who the guys were, but they were giving the Canes some tough love. They basically said the Canes need to go ahead and throw the rest of the season because there is nothing to play for at this point. We have an opportunity to obtain one of the coveted top three picks, and it would be a shame to waste that opportunity. Yes I know, I’m beating a dead horse. They continued by saying if the Canes could pick Seguin he could possibly slide into the #2 center position. Add Staal as #1 and Sutter as #2 they would have a lot of depth at center…a lot. So much in fact they compared that possibility to the current Pens roster. The guy ended his point with one simple word…“Wow”.
Regardless of that top three pick, I think the future looks bright for this club.
The Flag & The National Anthem
When nam was all the rage 32 young men from my neighborhood & 2 different High Schools answered the call…only 30 went to nam…20 as members of USMC the pther 10 US Army Myself i was regjected because of 2 health concerns the other young man was strongly opposedto the fighting in nam refused to fight but went as a navey corpsman…Not 1 of those 31 young men returned alive..and with memorial day coming soon it still bothers me from time to time. While it is true that is is in poor taste to sign the flag like it was..BUT…in this case where it as given to some marines who are either or on theor way BACK to Afghanistan…and will fly that flag…then in that case i see nor feel any wrong or harm…all of us do and have come from different backrounds and life experiences, different educational and work experiences and points of view on many topics and subjects in everyday life. But what unites us all here is our love for: Our Nation, Our families, Our friends & Our Team..The Carolina Hurricanes! Persoanlly if we all would remember to keep our eyes & minds focused on those few things.in the order i wrote them.then even during the toughest of times will easier…because no matter how little or much we have in “things”, what we all have here and share here is what makes our Nation and our outlook on life worth more than anything we can or could want…so reember that despite what flaws our nation has personally & politically…people from all over the world will die trying to get here by any means to have what we sadly at times take for granted…Our freedoms & Our liberty…And those are as precious as our children & grand children…aint they ? Ok Ok preaching is over..enjoy the rest of the day…and like all of you who can I too will be watching to se if our favorite player(s) will keep on digging and scratin for yet another 2 points !!!!
" Chadness" is contagious ! Go Canes !!
Living the Dream
Very cool photo released via Canes Twitter of Brandon Sutter and Zach Boychuk chatting with Pierre McGuire at the morning skate.
LOL there’s a fellow over at TheScoreBoards that refers to him as Pierre McPlankton. I think that’s a great fit!
It is a cool picture of the two of them just hangin’ out all casual at the Bell Centre.
And this may have been posted already (apologies if it’s a dup) but another cool article on Brandon, this one from Chip.
N&O: Sutter a revelation in down season
Phoblographer and aficionado of all things Finnish
Sisu
by Jamie Kellner on Mar 31, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Juicy is amazing. I’m glad to know he’s having such a great season with the Canes. He’s always been one of my favorites.
I’m glad to know y’all appreciate him :)
Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.
by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Mar 31, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
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