Late Mistakes Kill Carolina: Senators 4, Hurricanes 3 (SO)
by Bob Wage on Apr 1, 2010 11:48 PM EDT
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PrintThe Carolina Hurricanes had the Ottawa Senators right where they wanted them. The visitors were up 3-2 with less than a minute left in the game and reliable veterans, Eric Staal, Erik Cole, and Ray Whitney were on the ice.
But suddenly the vets were making mistakes that rookies are taught not to make. With 30 ticks left, Erik Cole had a chance to skate the puck out of his zone, or at least clear it, and he did neither. He circled the puck back into his zone and the Sens continued their attack.
With 15 seconds left, Ray Whitney did the unthinkable as he skated the puck 10 feet short of center ice and rifled it in the Ottawa zone. Was he shooting at the open net? Did he panic? Regardless, after the icing call, Eric Staal lost the ensuing faceoff cleanly to Jason Spezza and Erik Karlsson put a shot on goal that hit Manny Legace in the glove and went in the net, tying the score with 7.7 seconds on the clock.
The goal gave the Senators life and clinched a playoff spot for them, but it put a dagger in the heart of the Hurricanes as they went on to lose in a shootout, 4-3.
Ottawa started the scoring off on another late goal in the opening period, this one by Anton Volchenkov as he ripped one by Legace with just 12 seconds left in the period. There was a breakdown of sorts in the Carolina zone as the defenseman was wide open for his shot.
The Hurricanes had actually played a good opening period and matched Ottawa shot for shot.
The second period was all Carolina as they took a 2-1 lead off shots by Jamie McBain and Chad LaRose. McBain's goal was his third goal in 10 games now for the big club as he has a total of seven points and is +5 so far in his young career.
A bit later in the period, Eric Staal set up LaRose with a nice pass and the winger beat Brian Elliott cleanly for his eighth of the season.
After Erik Karlsson tied the score early in the third period with his first goal of the game, the Hurricanes dominated most of the rest of the period and had several chances to put the game away. Brandon Sutter would finally light the lamp as he threw a puck toward the net which bounced past Elliott after it hit a Sens defenseman.
But it was not meant to be as everything that could go wrong in the last minute, did go wrong.
Neither team could score in the overtime period and Ottawa beat the Canes easily in the shootout as neither Whitney, nor Jussi Jokinen could put a puck on net with their attempts, as they shot either high or wide.
Alex Kovalev scored on the first attempt for Ottawa and after Legace stopped Daniel Alfredsson, Jason Spezza won the game as he deked out Legace for the final tally.
In other games in the East, the teams below Carolina won and the teams directly above them lost. On a night which all the other games in the East were falling their way, the team could not take advantage of their opportunity.
The Canes will fly home for a match with the New Jersey Devils on Saturday night.
Game Notes:
- Even though he lost the the most important one, Eric Staal led the team by winning 61% of his faceoffs, (14-23). Brandon Sutter was at 50% on this night, (9-18).
- Staal also had a team high five shots on goal.
- Joni Pitkanen played over 33 minutes and had a game high 8 blocked shots. In this back-to-back with Montreal and Ottawa, the defenseman had almost 65 minutes of ice time.
- Carolina was credited with 24 hits led by Drayson Bowman with four.
- All in all it was a good road trip for the team as they came away with five of six points, but it's tough to swallow how they squandered the point that got away.
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Whitey consistently makes those kinds of mistakes game after game, he seems to willingly sacrifice defense to try and make some offense happen which often turns into a goal for the other team.
Kinda like Pitkanen...
Who sacrifices defense… :(
Thank you Jim Rutherford and Ray Whitney for working together for Ray to stay a Hurricane! :)
Not to be or sound like I’m jumping on…but there was several ocassions in the 2nd & 3rd periods where the Canes could have scored and in effect took the win out of Ottawa’s sails..and then THE face off….If i had been Staal,Cole or Whitney i would have right there in the room…told the young players that is NOT what you do…hopefully between there or on the plane ride home they did…, but and yet again…no one who left the ice didn’t look or feel tired …did they ?
" Chadness" is contagious ! Go Canes !!
still not impossible to squeak into the playoffs. ATL has a tough final 4 games. We go head to head with both Boston and Montreal who both have fairly tough weeks ahead. Only Boston finishes with a lower tier team in Toronto. The others are cahlked up with Washington, Pittsburgh, Philly and NJ…it will ne hard to keep those teams from getting more than 84 points, but it is possible. I am not sure hw tie breakers would fall if all ended with 84.
Exnihilo
Pretty soon we’re only going to need 4 defensemen… Pitkanen, who will play the whole game, and 3 others to rotate as his partner.
I sure hope he feels comfortable telling the coach when enough is enough!
"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."
I hope Whitney and Cole make a few outstading plays on Saturday night too make up for the boneheaded ones they commited last night! Were still in the mix, and I haven’t given up on them none so ever! It’d be cool to make the playoffs after the season these guys have endured, as well as we the fans! Also, you would think that the ‘Canes would want the young guys to get a little playoff experience first hand ( no matter the outcome), so when they make the postseason next year, they have an idea of what to expect.. so they can raise their level of intensity. Anyhow, it’s still not a miss for us this year, so as always…. GO ’CANES!
Let the new era of Hurricanes hockey.... begin!
A lot of ways to look at last nights game. It typify’s the season pretty much for me. The potential for success/progress and then assinine stupidity pisses it away. Whether it was JR omniscient plan for the epic failure or Whitney smoking crack, it’s still a painful loss as a fan. That shouldn’t of been.
It begs the questions of did anybody learn not to hand out no trade clauses like M&M’s at a 6yr olds B-Day party? How old is too old? If you got an answert to that what ya gonna do about Rod? He ain’t gonna man up and retire by the looks of it. Then the stinging question, is Ray still a viable player/leader?
For once I gotta say Staal ponied up last night. He may have gotten smoked on that last key FO, but he had done rather well all night and I think his effort was there all night. Cole and Ray on the other hand, screwed the pooch with unbridled ferocity.
So what is the brain (less?) trust gonna do?
My manifesto:
Do what ever it takes to get rid of Rod in the least distracting way. A second season as the near worst player in the league is two, too many. If he isn’t able or willing to man up, can him. Timing wise, I’d say the sooner the better to give the team time in the off season to get over it and coalesce as a team.
Cole needs to be gone, too. Again the sooner the better. I don’t think he could bring much if any return on a trade, so a buy out here may be the best option, too. It was a mistake bringing him back and it’s been way too long in rectifying that.
The youth need to be bolstered. JR’s vets failed. We saw some of the vet’s fail and cost us yet another game last night. So let’s learen the lesson that is apparent across the league. Skilled youth trumps vet. savvy. Learn it and then live it. Go to bed thanking the hockey gods that Ronny F. helped stock the coffers with great young players. The first half of the was stocked with vets and sucked. Second half was fun hockey and we chalked up wins, what more proof you need?
Next is tougher than all the rest. Coaching. the youth are not vets, yet. They need to be coached in a way that not only promotes wins at the NHL level, but also develops thier own skills and improvement. Mo ain’t the guy. I don’t care what happens to Mo, I really think the guy has some hockey knowledge ion his head, maybe them ugly ties cut off the blood? I think we have the answer in Daniels. Bring him up, get Ronnie F. back out stocking the Rats. Bring in the guy that knows how to win with kids and can deal with roster holes like nobody else.
The "A"’s are gonna be hard next year. I think Sutter and Gleason have done far more to earn them than anybody else has to keep them. I think the sweater patches are for inspired played and there are few who can match what those two have this year. It also sets up the team to be youth oriented moving on.
Next years try outs should be run like a real NHL level team, not some circus for JR and the brain dead brain trust. There isn’t a team in the league that has the depth of talent that the Canes are gonna have next fall. At least give them a fair shot this year.
Which brings us to next year. Again learn from the past and across the league. Young dynamic players make for exciting hickey. That equates to butts in seats. How about concerted effort from the team to get people coming to games? More specials, dirt cheap tickets at the door for non sellout’s. Lower the friggin’ consession prices. Make it an event people in all tax brackets can afford.
Dang, maybe too much coffee this morning?
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
At first I thought this was an ADog post. What gorgeous paragraphs!
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
+1000 – well done Paladin. (I actually read it since it was so well laid out) Thank you!
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Apr 2, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
+2
All great points. I’d add it let Whitney walk in the off-season. Add in more youth, Whitney may be a fan favorite, but I’m positive people will love an all out youth movement more.
Paladin,
I think the first move to be made should be trading Sammy. This team is loaded with youth at LW, Sammy is just increasing the payroll.
Currently our 4th line consist of Sammy-Rod-TK. Our 4th line cap hit is over $7M! What other team is this league dedicates that much money to a 6-8 minute/game line?
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by PackPride17 on Apr 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The worst part is that is obviously our 1st line, however our wonderful and all-knowing coach actually plays them a hell of a lot more than the Bowman/Dwyer/Boychuk line. The past 5 or so games Brindi’s line has gotten around 12 minutes while the young guns are getting 8-9 minutes.
Brings me to my point… The first move that should be made is canning that pilon we have sitting behind our bench and bring in ANYONE else (Jeff Daniels, Ronnie, Tom Rowe, pick someone out of the crowd each game I don’t care)
Pack & Juice,
I agree. That said we are closer than we were 6 months ago to a fielding a good roster.
Pack, be interesting to see a dollar per made/given up for fourth lines across the league.
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
er, oop. That was “per point made/given up”
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
And to up your point… I say:
Why in Hell is Staal Still our team Captain????
Give the C to Timmy and one of the “A’s” to Sutter and let them compete for the second “A.”
I sat in Atlanta on Monday night… watched Staal get called for (hooking?) some lazy penalty… his reaction to the call was to shoot the puck across the ice w/ his stick and bark profanity at the reff all the way to the penalty box… while our younger guys (who are outplaying his sorry ass) looked on from the bench.
He is not a captain… Not here….
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Apr 2, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW, same ole over reaccting
Last time I checked, Whitney, Cole and Staal have a pulse..ie they are ONLY human!!
eh… humans who get paid an ungodly # of $’s to play a game…
it was pretty boneheaded for Cole not to clear the zone… and even more boneheaded for Whitney to ice the puck (a simple shuffling of the puck into the attacking zone would have killed enough time off the clock to end the game).
by Mateos_Canes_Lamp on Apr 2, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, I will be the first to tell y’all that I was rather upset last night at the way the game ended. After sleeping on it though, it’s really not that big of a deal. A few players made a mistake (albeit very costly ones). That doesn’t make them bad players-it makes them human. Ideally we win that game in regulation, but we ended up with a fairly decent road trip in a season where it took us an obnoxiously long time to get our first road win.
I believe HM described it best when she said we were in a win/win situation at this point. We lose and we have a better draft position. We win and the playoff Koolaid jug gets a refill. There are 4 games left in the season; hopefully we can all enjoy them and then start thinking about next season.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
I’ll start off by saying: I have no idea what Cole was doing with the puck, I think Whitney should have chipped it and got off the ice (he had been on the ice for about a minute), and Staal’s faceoff loss really ruined a pretty solid game from him. Now, I think the real problem was our coach. This was our 3rd game in 4 nights, all on the road, starting in Atlanta. Looking back at the box scores, Mo seemed to “shorten” his bench with each game. Staal’s and Sutter’s ice time went up every game. I understand you want your best players on the ice, but 3 games in 4 nights and increasing their ice time each game; to me that seems like a mistake. I said it in the game thread, but S&S just rotated shifts for the last 3 1/2 minutes of regulation. They were exhausted and I could tell. Sutter was barely moving during the 6 on 5 and Staal looked like he couldn’t get up after being knocked to the ice. The game presents each team with a timeout for a reason and our coach hoarded his like a $100 bill in his pocket.
IMO, the worst thing to come from our 2010 play is not our higher draft position; it is a reprieve for Mo and JR. This just increases the chance Mo doesn’t go and the next time we struggle, JR will be thinking how Mo can “right the ship.”
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by PackPride17 on Apr 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
You try to see logic in Maurice’s decisions? That was your first mistake.
Mo will be here until we have another start like THIS season. It would likely take another 14 game loss streak at the start of next year to get rid of him unfortunately. Knowing Mo though, I believe he could pull that off with the Penguins given the chance.
Did anyone listen to Glasshalfull Sutter in his comments after the game? They played 3 desperate teams on the road and came out of it with 5 points. (yeah those last couple minutes of regulation sucked and is why it hurt more than the overall circumstances warrant).
It’s like they were standing at the base of a world’s-largest-cliff that needed to be scaled, and quickly, with zero margin for error. Always been such a long shot, that we gotta accept that the PO’s are not a realistic option, just a crazy dream – but worth having! But don’t feel bad or angry when it doesn’t happen. Feel happy (and grateful) that the team was able to convince us with their compete level and hot play that it was even a possibility.
Let’s focus on
1) the players we have who have some amazing skill and even more amazing character (three of whom scored last night) and
2) these guys (and these fans) never gave up ever and have earned the respect of the entire NHL (and of each other) in the process.
If you think about where we all were last November, that’s a huge accomplishment. Miraculous. Inspiring.
I’d even say we’ve overcome whatever bad taste or scorn was left after getting swept by the Pens last May, when there were many who said we got that far on luck.
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Apr 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions
Did anyone listen to Glasshalfull Sutter in his comments after the game?
Now, that’s a silly question HM. ;)
I agree with you on all accounts. As much as those last 8 seconds of regulation hurt (and sweet hockey gods did they hurt), they were an essentially meaningless 8 seconds. Nothing they did (or didn’t do as the case may be) in those 8 seconds will matter at all to me tomorrow or next season or the season after that. It certainly won’t change how proud we are of what they managed to do when everyone counted them out.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
I KNEW you had heard them (duh) – but the links were wonky on the Canes site.
Here’s the link to hear Sutter’s Pearls of Wisdom:
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Apr 2, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
“Pearls of Wisdom” is a quote from tt last night.
Please never do that!!
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
Apologies. I must have missed that. TT sure can ruin a phrase quick. (thinking of Sisu).
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Apr 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Tripp or John did mention last night that Brandon’s dad said the Brandon always finds the positives every day.
Of the 4 games remaining, the NJ game is the 1 I want to win the most. Here’s hoping for a unbelievable game. I think Cam will be awesome and we’ll end up giving this game one of those great names; like “The Shock at the Rock” or “The Beatdown in Beantown.”. I think its going to be “The Mugging at the Big ATM” – Cam Ward style.
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by PackPride17 on Apr 2, 2010 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“Beatdown in Beantown”?
I’ve always called it Scott Walker’s One-Two Punch.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
I wasn’t sure if I made that one up or if it was actually used.
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by PackPride17 on Apr 2, 2010 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m sure other people have used it as well, but not in the same way as Shock at the Rock. Even the team uses that one.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Hmm I thought the tap to awards grill was just due for what he was about to do when we got him.
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
I had no idea what that said until I read it outloud. Awards grill? We’re on the Food Network? :)
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Next best thing to a George Foreman!!
;-)
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
Shock @ The Rock
was started by John Forslund i do believe…and the beatdown in beantown…I have never heard of that, but i did here some other fans call it the Scott Walker One -Two…but that was waybefore my coming here…
" Chadness" is contagious ! Go Canes !!
I agree – And we all know that Brodeur does not feel good a the RBC. Jussi and Staal and Wardo have a “special relationship” with Marty. That will be fun.
And spoiling Montreal who is limping, and even moreso Boston (a little stronger but not much – shut out by the Panthers last night! at home!) sound like pretty good games to watch.
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Apr 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you see the absolute asskicking LA dished out? The PO’s are gonna be fun this year. Just gotta pick a team to root for seeing as how the Canes ain’t goin’
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
I think all the members of CC should root for the Coyotes. That way at least somebody is! zing
But really, I am rooting for the Coyotes. I’d love to see all of Canada watch as Phoenix and their 500 Hockey fans accept the Cup.
Phoenix v. Nashville in the WCF would be sweet.
Eric Staal...Team Canada first line
by drifterscape on Apr 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I would think that means the ’Yotes would get to play for the Cup.
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
Also – Ottawa played tough last night. Easily the best team we’ve faced in awhile. They were also playing rough (not complaining – just observing). When Chad went out of his way (and was called for interference), Pothier dropped the gloves, and that exchange between Jokinen and Sutton, you knew there was crap going on.
Which is my preface to saying we really missed Tim Gleason.
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Apr 2, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
and Ruutu. Both’s style of physicality is missed in those kind of games.
I am interested in some follow up on that Sutton cheap shot. The knockdown I can understand, but the blatent crosscheck to the back of the head appears to be perfect for the “New Rule”. Thatr dropped Sutton down in my book, low, cheap and uncalled for. Made avery, orpik and that ilk proud.
In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
Didn’t they show on the replay that Jussi nailed him with a stick-butt to the face, behind the goal just before the cross-check (unseen by the officials) and Sutton was going after him for that? And then Sutton got the box – well played, Jussi. Well playes.
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Apr 2, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Jussi was dishing it out too; he’s not an innocent victim in this one.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
So is that the leagues interpretation of the new rule? If you deserve it youcan be crosschecked from behind?
See that’s what I am wondering. What Sutton did was wrong AND he got caught. So where does the league stand? Is it the same BS as usual? AO and Sid will NEVER get a call for it and some players will be looked at for it? Nice arbitrary rule?
I like the intent of the new rule, I loathe the way it’s being implemented.
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
I wasn’t trying to say Jussi deserved it, but it’s not like Sutton randomly picked Jussi to crosscheck. My point was that Jussi probably should have gotten a penalty on that play as well.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Wasn’t actually commenting on your post, CG. I would love an official interpretation from the league. None will be forthcoming, however so this is another etherial intangible “rule”.
To me rules are black and white. Consequences may be furthered by the league, such as avery’s big mouth, but not rules being interpreted after the fact by “the league”. With 4 zebras on the ice any and all rules should be “interpreted” evenly and fairly by them. Not by some suit the day after during the morning paper and coffee. You think the Canadians don’t have different newspaper and maybe poison coffee?
I’m just saying the letter of the rule was blatently broken by Sutton and he got caught and penalized on the play. So what’s the leagues review or stand on that play"?
Kinda like the my read on the rule is Weights hit on Sutter was legal by Booths crush wasn’t a legal hit. I’d just like clarity on the rule and some assurance it will be equally viewed and used.
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
Hopefully Pitkanen will stop standing around doing nothing along with Cole on Saturday. Half the game all they did was stand around. Pitkanen had a few givesaways too. yet another hit or miss game for him. :(
Dont’ get me wrong, I like Pitkanen, but he does give up the most pucks on the team.
Thank you Jim Rutherford and Ray Whitney for working together for Ray to stay a Hurricane! :)
Manny also didn’t seem to have his ‘A’ game last night. He seems to fight game-to-game with confidence issues a la Corvo. What is it about Carolina that does this to certain players?
The photo for this thread is just horrible.
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by PackPride17 on Apr 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The hobbit was weak last night, too. I can’t decide on whether to want Peters up warming the bench or keep the hobbit to make it interesting once inawhile.
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
Perhaps Cam’s return (and the sheer brillance of the two previous games) are nagging at Legace a little? With Peters here, Manny knew he’d start every other or every second game. With Cam back and 4 games left, Manny may never see the ice again; that’s got to be a tough thing to realize when you don’t have a job for next season. As weird as this sounds, maybe he tried too hard to be perfect last night and over thought everything.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
He was clearly devastated by that last goal that tied it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he spent the entire flight home in the back of the plane curled up in the fetal position.
Yeah – he’s playing for an NHL contract next year , and this might have been his last game to earn it.
Olympian Tim Gleason in Vancouver: "I don’t care what anybody says, to watch an exciting hockey game, there’s nothing like it."
by Carolyn Christians on Apr 2, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Some Initial Thoughts about the Senators game and the 2009-2010 Season
I have some initial thoughts about the game; but was only able to watch a portion and then the video highlights. I also read the comments here at CC. I there there were a couple of key things that needed to happen this season after the fiasco of the first twenty games.
The first and most important step was to unload dead wood — particularly Aaron Ward and Wallin. Once it was clear Yelle didn’t have the speed or mental focus to stay within the Maurice/Francis/Rowe system, it was necessary for him to be traded. That step has occurred and the return on them was excellent.
The second step was to get younger, faster, more aggressive, more talented players from Albany and trades. Sutter has emerged as one of the young NHL stars. Boychuk, McBain, Bowman, Dwyer, Carson, and Rodney have all shown they produce at the NHL level. Picard looks like a keeper to me.
The third step is still up in the air. Staal needs a first line forward who has speed, size, physicality, and scoring skill. I am hoping that step occurs in the draft. I like Cole and think he has a place on the team; but I don’t think he has the consistent scoring ability to bring out the best in Staal.
The fourth step is also up in the air. I thought that Brind’Amour needed to end his playing career.
The fifth step was to use this season as a teaching opportunity for the younger players. They needed to learn that they could help the team win. I am really proud of the team and the organization; and I am not less proud of them because a few mental errors cost the Hurricanes a point (and probably any last, small, impossible hope for a playoff spot).
The Hurricanes have accomplished a hockey miracle. They have rebuilt their team mid-season and managed to maintain a united locker room, a united coaching staff, and a united fan base. That situation never happens; but it did in 2009-2010. I’d much rather have suffered through this season and the quick rebuild than a slow, painful destructive team implosion.
Adding one or two more players via this draft, and re-tasking Brind’Amour into coaching/community relations and the Hurricanes will be set for years to come. Over all, squandering the win in the Senators’ game is a great lesson for the young players: even the talented veterans will make key mistakes that cost games, even play-off games. The mark of character is how they react to their failures.
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Good content, too!
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In the good old days if you commited adutery you were stoned, nowadays it's the other way around.
Wimmin can attract men with thier minds, seems a lot easier to do it with what they don't mind, though.
The right to bare arms is key. Though I'd pay to see more.
Speaking of
Hall & Company for the upcoming draft…this past thursday was game 1 of the playoffs for the Plymouth & Windsor…it was reported on the Whalers website (3/31/10) that the GM from edmonton & other NHL Scouts were there looking at both of them very closely…so and while the canes as a team has done really well…it may have killed it’s shot at possibly the # 1,2,3 top rated players that are in the JR’s…but like the weather…only time will tell huh ?
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Last August, before the season started, I listed a goals expectations for the roster players at that point. I thought it might be interesting to see how these expectations have compared with the actual results. I only used goals scored as a Cane. So here it is.
Player – Goal Projections – Actual Results – 82 game pro-rated results
Staal – 35 to 40 – 24 – 30
Ruutu – 25 to 30 – 14 – 21
Whitney – 22 to 26 – 21 – 23
Cole – 20 to 25 – 10 – 22
Cullen – 20 to 25 – 12 – 16
Samsonov – 18 to 22 – 14 – 17
LaRose – 17 to 22 – 8 – 13
Jokinen – 17 to 22 – 29 – 31
Brind’Amour – 15 to 20 – 7 – 7
Walker – 4 to 8 – 3 – 7
Kostopolous – 4 to 8 – 8 – 8
Yelle – 3 to 6 – 4 – 6
Corvo – 10 to 15 – 4 – 10
Pitkanen – 10 to 15 – 6 – 7
Ward – 3 to 7 – 1 – 1
Wallin – 2 to 4 – 0 – 0
Gleason – 1 to 3 – 5 – 7
Alberts – 1 to 3 – 2 – 3
And for the new guys that didn’t have any goal expectations:
Player – Actual Results – 82 game pro-rated results
Sutter – 21 – 25
Dwyer – 6 – 9
Boychuk – 3 – 9
McBain – 3 – 25
Carson – 2 – 3
Rodney – 1 – 5
Picard – 0 – 0
Pothier – 1 – 5
Harrison – 1 – 4
Samson – 0 – 0
Bowman – 0 – 0
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Projected Goals for 2010-2011
The concept of projected goals versus goals scored for 2009-2010 is an incredibly important statistic in explaining why the Hurricanes will be spectators for the 2010 Stanley Cup. Reasonable minds can disagree as to the underlying seasons for the lack of scoring by key veterans; but the lack of productivity by some key Hurricane players is inarguable.
The success or failure of the 2010-2011 season will depend significantly on the Hurricanes improving the sheer number of goals. It would be interesting to see the projections for 2010-2011 by others at CC.
Goal Projections 2010-2011 Rough Draft
Here is a very rough draft of goal projections for 2010-2011. The most striking aspect is that even if Cullen’s goals off the table, the overall offensive talent on the talent is increased with the assumption that Brind’Amour is bought out/retired and Samsonov is traded. The chart also shows how important it is that Staal, Ruutu, and Cole have a healthy year and maintain their goal-scoring ability. Additionally, if the young players develop their goal-scoring, the Hurricanes next season will be a force with which to be reckoned. This draft is as stated a first draft and quite rough.
2010 -2011 PROJECTED GOALS AND DIFFERENTIAL
NAME 2009-2010 GOALS 2010-2011 PROJECTED DIFFERENTIAL
Jokinen 30 30 0
Staal 25 35 + 10
Whitney 24 25 +1
Sutter 22 28 +6
Ruutu 14 25 +11
Samsonov (traded) 14 0 – 14
Brind’Amour (retired) 7 0 -7
LaRose 10 20 + 10
Cole 10 20 + 10
Cullen 16 0 – 16
McBain 8 20 + 12
Boychuk 5 15 + 10
Bowman 5 10 +5
Tlusty 3 15 +12
Kostopoulos 10 15 +5
Dwyer 8 15 +7
Pitkanen 6 10 +4
Rodney 3 10 +7
Picard 3 10 +7
Carson 5 10 +5
Gleason 5 5 0
TOTAL = +84 goals
I think your overly optimistic about next years goal production. You have the defense putting in 65 goals, that would be unbelievable in todays NHL. I think McLovin’,Pits, and Timmy could meet you projections. Picard, Carson, and Rodney would probably get about 10 to 15 between the 3, not individually.
Also, between Bowman, Tlusty, TK, Dwyer, and LaRose – someone is going to need to play 4th line. Those are high goal production numbers for 4th liners. Bowman & Tlusty only have 1 goal among them this season. Expecting 25 goals combined is a little bit of a stretch.
Things could happen, but the Canes are not going to turn into the Washington Capitals over the offseason.
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by PackPride17 on Apr 2, 2010 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fourth Line
My take is that Maurice/Francis/Rowe have to re-think how they use the third line and fourth line. They have an abundance of talent at forward. They can field players who are very talented offensively, but are also well-trained and motivated in the defensive zone. Rather than giving Boychuk/Dalpe/Tlusty eight minutes a game or Bowman/Dwyer/Samson six minutes a game, they can even out the minutes and let all four lines swarm the puck.
My projections are rough; but they assume players such as Bowman and Tlusty could and should be able to score 25 goals between them over 82 games if they are given decent minutes. They have been successful at every level of hockey they have played. The NHL stage is challenging, but they are talented hockey players who are motivated to succeed; and they are playing within a system that would let them do so.
The overall point is that the talented players in the system could well cause a sea change in the Hurricanes organization and particularly in the are of goals scored. They just need to be given the chance.
I’m just saying that you have as projected to score over 300 goals. Is it possible, yes. Is it likely, especially in Mo’s system, no. You only have so many minutes in a game. IMO, for those kids to meet your projections, you are taking time away from other players, which in turn will reduce their numbers. I think one of the young forwards could breakout and score close to 20 goals, but all three getting about 15 is most likely not going to happen.
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by PackPride17 on Apr 3, 2010 7:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Based on our current players, this is what I would expect in the goal production department. Obviously injuries will happen, a draft pick could be slated in, and hopefully some players will be traded away, but at this time – here is what I expect the top 18 (12 forwards, 6 defenseman) to do. I am listed the players C-LW-RW from 1st line to 4th line.
Staal – 33 to 38 goals
Whitney – 20 to 24 goals
Jokinen – 25 to 29 goals
Sutter – 24 to 29 goals
Boychuk – 15 to 20 goals
Ruutu – 20 to 25 goals
Dwyer – 8 to 12 goals
LaRose – 14 to 18 goals
Cole – 13 to 17 goals
Brind’Amour – 5 to 8 goals
Samsonov – 7 to 11 goals
Kostopoulos – 6 to 10 goals
McBain – 15 to 20 goals
Gleason – 3 to 6 goals
Pitkanen – 7 to 11 goals
Carson – 3 to 6 goals
Rodney – 4 to 8 goals
Picard – 2 to 5 goals
Total – 224 to 297
That would be 2.73GPP on the low end and 3.62GPP on the high end. The low end would have us ranked tied for 13th in the NHL this season (we are currently 14th). The high end would have us ranked 2nd in the NHL this season. The high end number is probably to high, but if everybody played to the abilities, it could happen.
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15 to 20 goals for McBain would easily put him in the top-5 Overall for goals scored by D. Not saying it won’t happen… But if he is going to pot 15-20 goals then he sure as hell better be in the Calder talks.
I think with Rookie D specifically, it is not out of the realm of possibility to expect him to put up top-10 points in the league (as most here predict), it just depends on how the team treats them. Since the moment McBain got here, it has been quite obvious what our organization thinks of him and what role they expect him to play. His first game I think they had him on the first line PP. If he sustains that role through next year, I could easily see him scoring possibly 15-20 goals and certainly be in the Rookie of the Year (Calder Trophy) running.
well all we
can do is hope & keep our fingers crossed…BTW at the end pf 1..Rats & Admirals tied at 1goal each…
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