Justin "Pete Dawg" Peters Gets Nod Over Legace
by Bob Wage on Jun 11, 2010 1:48 PM EDT
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Canes Now is reporting that Justin Peters will be the back up goalie for the Carolina Hurricanes next season. Peters is a restricted free agent who was drafted by the team in the second round in 2004 when the NHL Draft was in Raleigh.
Manny Legace will now make himself available as a free agent on July 1, although it was reported earlier that he might be interested in playing in Russia. Legace did a very nice job for the Hurricanes last year and earned the team's only shutout of the season.
The decision now allows Mike Murphy and Justin Pogge to battle for playing time in Charlotte.
The major question in all of this is if Cam Ward gets injured again, the Canes will either have to bring up one of the youngsters from Charlotte to back up Peters, or look on the market like they did when they signed Legace last November. Will Ward's back hold up?
In the meantime Peters still needs a new contract, but that is probably a minor detail at this point.
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Peters and Ward need to split the time in net.
In my mind, Cam is still the de-facto #1, especially for the playoffs, but he only needs to play 40-50 games in the regular season. Peters needs to start at least 30 games.
I have a hard time believe that will ever happen. You don’t just cut a tested and proven #1 like Cam’s time in half, especially when Cam consistently plays better when playing game after game for long stretches. I think Peters will start 15 games if he is lucky, rightfully so.
Rational people can reach different results. Cam Ward had a very poor 2009-2010. Virtually all #1 NHL goalies have a point at which they get over-worked and a point at which they get under-worked. Peters was outstanding in his appearances for the Hurricanes. There is every reason to keep Peters working a reasonable amount and to keep Ward rested. As long as the team is winning consistently and both goalies are playing well, what is the harm in giving time to the back-up goalie. Cam’s back will thank Peters for the rest.
I didn’t think he had that poor of a season. He had a team playing like crap in front of him the first part of the year, was hurt twice, and played well down the stretch. And I don’t think win-loss says everything … Vokoun had a losing record this year and was one of the league’s best, IMO.
by Cory Lavalette on Jun 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Cory, have you been back to revisit videos of the game? Cam Ward had some really weak games even after he came back. I agree that at the start of the season he had to deal with A. Ward, Wallin, Harrison, and Alberts (with some out of body turnovers). They were a goalie’s worst nightmare on defense. I still stick with “very poor” as the description for Cam Ward, but I would say it like the folks in District Court when asked how they pled: “guilty with an explanation.” Cam Ward fairly gets a very poor 2009-2010 season “with an explanation.”
I'm with Cory on this One
The results of the Exit Analysis polling on Cam Ward showed 37% gave him a “C” and 34% gave him a “B” and 6% actually gave him an “A”. I gave him a “C” which I don’t think = “very poor”.
Save percentage is same as 2008-09 at .916 while the GAA is slightly higher. W-L is a lot worse (team sucked). Let’s settle for “Average”?
We agree that he seemed to have some games that were not Cam’esque.
Here’s hoping for a better 2010-11!
Rather than “Guilty with an explanation”, let’s say “Guilty by association”. Granted, he had a lot adversity of his own to deal with. But when he was healthy, or even returning from injuries, he didn’t have any support. A big part of his workload (on the ice) was a direct result of the lack of play in front of him.
Cam Ward after the return
I agree that when A. Ward, Wallin, Harrison, and Alberts were on the ice, the defensive suppport was quite weak. I disagree entirely that after the trade deadline that the defensive work was poor – even when Gleason was injured. I think for the most part when Ward had a poor showing, he was not playing his A game rather than being left out to dry. Peters worked with the same defensive crew and at one point had five wins in seven games.
Defenses tend to play a little more conservative when a back up is in the net. They bunch up and prevent shots. It’s one reason I wished Mo would have gone to a back up earlier in the season. Sometimes the coach needs to help the team simplify their game, and going to a back up tender helps that.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Not saying that he was good, and numbers don’t mean anything either way. i just don’t think he was very poor. I’d say he was OK — which is below expectations for him.
by Cory Lavalette on Jun 13, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No way they play can less than 60 if he’s healthy, and they should. Just based on his play last season I don’t think you can trust Peters to play 30 games and expect this club to be successful. Ward is a 40 win goalie, not a 40 game goalie.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 11, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cam* not “can”.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 11, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Late in the season Forslund was speculating 60-65 starts for a healthy Cam next season.
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I’m for that. No use in “Kiprusoffing” the guy. But 30 starts for Peters is too many.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 11, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This is an awfully big gamble
We just need to pray that Cam’s back is fully healed and ready to go for the whole season. I don’t feel overly comfortable relying heavily on Peter’s 9 total NHL games if Cam goes down to injury again.
But still, a good opportunity for Peters =D
Peters 9 games
In those 9 games Peters beat some of the best teams in the NHL. A short test run, but an impressive one, at least to me.
There is no point in bring Peters in for a full season unless he is going to play quite a bit. An experience veteran can handle playing only a few games a year — look at the rotating backups in New Jersey as proof.
Forget actual dollar for a moment and look at the value of an asset. He’s more valuable to the organization long term if he plays in the NHL now because we won’t be stunting his development and he could be a potential trading chip down the road since they’ve made the investment in Ward.
Goalies and Injuries, etc.
It is always a great idea to have at least two good goalies. It is true that Peters may well develop to the point that he asks the organization to help him find a starting role at another team; and if so, he will come at a huge price to that team. In the meantime, even world class goalies have injuries or could get the flu at critical times. Also, the goalies tend to push each other to stay totally in focus. Competition, albeit friendly, is a good thing.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, can we get some woofing going in the RBC for Pete Dawg?
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Bring back Legace for 2 reasons...
1. I think that he will get to play more than P-Dawg – who will Maurice start more? Legace or P? Cam <> Irbe – we need to get Cam to stop playing 75 games per year, or he will hurt his back more
2. At the trade deadline, wouldn’t it be nice to offer someone like Legace? I bet he could bring more than a second!
They both will cost about the same – and I am concerned about insurance – can we call Murphy up to play if Cam gets hurt again?
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Legace was a nice one year proposition. Time to go with the youngsters. Plus, there is no guarantee that Legace would not ask for more money and or get better offers from other teams.
The answer to every question regarding the hurricanes this offseason will be,…. which ever option costs less. They are taking the “less expensive” route on everything>
I understand they are taking buses and canoes to Finland.
Legace and Peters would probably have similar contracts.
by Cory Lavalette on Jun 13, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No way, No how Wards back will hold up the entire season… this one is gonna bite us in the ass. Once a bad back, always a bad back..and Pucknut got it right, your gonna get what you pay for…
Your optimism is both charming and calming at the same time. ;)
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Canescup does a pretty good job every now and then too.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
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1. Mo changing lines
2. The longggggg coldddddd walk to the Free Parking area at the Fairgrounds accross from the RBC
3. C-Leaguer sitting behind you jabbering about the 4th line at Albany (I mean Charlotte)
4. A long line at the bathroom
5. $8.00 large beers at the RBC
6. Canescup, Canes pucknut, & Max Creek
$8 Large beers?! Try $10.75 for a beer at Staples center.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 11, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that would price me in to sobriety at a game.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Do you know what kind of training I’d have to go in to if I lengthened the pre-game tailgate? I’m just not sure I have the time to make that commitment. Now, if I could get someone to sponsor me so I could be a professional tailgater, than I’m sure I could make a big splash.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
A professional tailgater, hmmm, now that is something to aspire to!
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
As I come right from work to go to a game.....
I’m pretty well tanked before I get there.
jk
My new schedule is going to make it difficult to get to the games. Every two weeks it’ll be Sat, Sun, Mon 7:30am-7:30pm, off Tuesday, Wed 1:30pm-7:30pm, Thu, Fri 7:30am-7:30pm, off Sat, Sun and Mon, Tue 7:30am-7:30pm, Wed 7:30pm-1:30pm, off Thu, Fri repeat.
Anyone looking to score some less than face value Mezz seats?
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Do we get a plaque or something??? They say once the buzz is gone , reality is still there…Honestly LTD I want the Canes to win the Cup, go undefeated, Brindy to get league MVP, and Cam to stay healthy the whole season and Staal to lay it out every shift like it is his last, but… It is better for me to be realistic, then when good things happen I can say what a surprise…Not trying to kill any ones buzz and I am sorry for that.
Good for Pete Dawg. Hopefully they a) play him more than 6 times a year or however often they’ve played Leighton/Manny/Grahame in the past and b) he adjusts well to sitting on the bench.
I’m certainly going to miss Manny though. He brought something to the team beyond his play in goal and IMO helped salvage the team’s season. I hope he finds somewhere to sign for next season.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
I loved him while he was in St. Louis. I loved him at the ASG. And I loved him as a ’Cane. Every team should have a Manny on it at one point or another.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
I’m a Manny fan now, but I remember the year after our Cup when Gerber left, all Manny did was whine about how he had better numbers than Gerber and Ottawa should have signed him instead. Maybe it was his agent. Either way, Gerber didn’t last long in Ottawa.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 11, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don’t remember that but I wasn’t as hardcore then as I am now. :) Manny’s definitely made some errors in judgment when it comes to career moves (even fairly recently), but I do get the impression that he’s learned from them.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Murphy and Pogge
I understand the upside for keeping Peters over the Hobbit, but my sentimental nature hates to see Manny leave the Canes. He came in when we needed a strong presence in net and his outgoing personality and jocular presence in the locker room benefitted the entire team. We will miss you Manny and offer enumerable thanks for helping the team and Caniac fans believe in our beloved Canes again.
With that said, can anyone offer a scouting report on Murphy and/or Pogge? What are their respective strengths and weaknesses and which one is more ready to step in the Canes net should the need arise?
Thanks for the insights!!
by Transplanted to Tenn on Jun 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
He’ll likely be the top guy in Charlotte. Wow, it’s weird saying Charlotte and not Albany.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/mike_murphy
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 11, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how much financial benefit this move from Albany to Charlotte is going to be? I believe that the Checkers drew better than the Rats last year, its a shorter trip for call-ups, and should make the Canes a more statewide thing; but will cost more for AHL travel. I think this could really benefit the organizations revenue overall.
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by PackPride17 on Jun 11, 2010 9:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
having more people in NC making a connection to the 'Canes isn't a bad thing
growing our fan base outside of the triangle is very very important to this frachise.
years from now this will be looked upon as “why didn’t we do this from the years ago”
Helluva lot more travel for the team tho.
by Cory Lavalette on Jun 13, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy was consecutive two time OHL goalie of the year. The kid has serious potential, he is small but makes up for it with super athleticism. He often stops shots at any costs, a lot of people compare his play style to Tim Thomas, often flailing around seemingly at random but stopping shots at any costs.
Personally I really like him and I think he has a real shot at being a #1 somewhere at some point.
Well to be quite honest…I do not know much about Pogge…I have heard that he has excellent potential but that is it. I know Murph though…have season tickets right behind the Belleville Bulls goal. This guy is the real deal. He did have a great team in front of him in Belleville and people may say that is why Murphy did so well. I went to every home game…and Bulls fans know that defense was not our strong suit when Murphy was there. PK Subban from the Habs was our best D man…and if any of you watched the Habs in the playoffs this year you can see he is a lot of talent, but making renegade rushes up the ice more than often resulted in a breakaway for the visitors. Belleville was almost always outshot…and that is saying something as Murph’s rebound control was stellar. I swear it was like he was a magnet and the puck was made of metal. Murphy is undersized for sure…but more than makes up for it with athletic ability. Mike is positionally sound as well…rarely would he get caught out of position…his ‘flailing around’ happens when there is a great scoring attempt or one timer…rarely from giving up a monster rebound or from being out of positon. Miss Murph in Belleville…I never thought of cheering for the Canes until he was drafted by them. I hope he at least gets a chance to be a number one in the NHL some day….he will not disappoint.
This is the first move the Canes have made this offseason that I really like. The Tlusty deal was alright, but I like this! I think Peters (if given a worthy chance) will be an excellent backup goaltender. If we are rebuilding, this was the right choice to make. I even believe if we were shooting for the playoffs that this would be the correct move. Finally something that doesn’t discourage me.
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by PackPride17 on Jun 11, 2010 8:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’ve also read that LA might again try to work out some deal to re-acquire Tim Gleason. I’m guessing most here don’t even want to here that type of speculation.
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by PackPride17 on Jun 11, 2010 8:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I MIGHT consider Hickey & their 1st round pick and that is just to consider trading Gleason.
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by PackPride17 on Jun 11, 2010 9:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
UM, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! WE ARE NOT TRADING TIMMY!!!
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
I don’t think the Canes would ever trade Gleason for the simple fact that we will never find a guy to replace him that as much as him. Comparable D around the league (top pairing D) are making millions more than him. With the Canes struggling to cut costs, I think he would be the very last to go.
Pitkanen is the exact opposite, I’d be shocked if he wasn’t traded this year at some point because the Canes will be far too cheap to retain him at his value next year. It will be a huge mistake, but I definitely see it happening.
LA Apparently Decided Gleason was in fact better than Johnson.
Gleason is not going anywhere. Johnson probably is outward bound.
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when it comes to Gleason…but I am happy for Petey Dawg…I liked manny personally heck If i was JR I’d give manny a 20,000.00 parting gift to say thanks…but that’s me…gee it got hot today huh ?? more of the same tomorrow too
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Deaf, dumb, and blind?
Do you sure play a mean pinball?
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
I am sure gonna miss Handy Manny!! Happy for Pete Dawg though!! WOOF! Now if we can just get Mo to play the backup more often that every 30games…
"That’s what happens when you suck" - Tim Gleason
Forget it.
What this tells me is that Cam has major issues with his back and might not be able to play much longer.
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Draft sidenote
I’m going to the Stapes Center to watch live. My Wife is pregnant so I was thinking thinking of blowing up an image of her sonogram and captioning it with the phrase: "Already Manlier than Crosby"… Do you think I can get on TV with that, or will the pro Crosby media ignore it?
As a side note, I’ll be rocking out my Tuomo Ruutu jersey
certainly already more manly than Chrissy Pronger
I guess Rutherford regrets drafting Pronger #2 now, I guess?
Rutherford did not draft Pronger (1993 draft).
That was before PK’s ownership period, when Brian Burke was briefly GM of the whalers.
It was under Burke that Pronger was drafted, although he was fired later that summer and Paul Holmgren (current Flyers GM) was named interim GM before the next season began.
PK bought the team the following summer (1994), naming JR as GM and Paul Holmgren as head coach.
It was under JR’s watch that Pronger was traded (after a number of, how should we say it, community incidents) for Brendan Shanahan, who then became Keith Primeau, who then became Rod Brind’Amour.
Nice use of the asset.
So, in the small world department, Paul Holmgren was Pronger’s first GM (although he didn’t draft him) during his turbulent rookie year, his head coach during his second year (before the trade for Shanahan), and was then the GM that traded a couple of first-rounders and a couple of players to acquire him last summer.
He knew him when…and now.
big mistake
i thought legace was the most reliable goalie this team had. this was a big mistake. they should have signed legace again and sent peters to charlotte. just my opinion.
Peters earned it
Granted their is still a contract to work out but that is nothing big, so with that said Peters is the backup goalie for Carolina for the upcoming season. I am super excited to finally see the Canes go with youth and we still have some vet’s in Brindy, Cole, Staal, Jussi, Ruutu, etc…
I also hope that C. LaRose has a bounce back season b/c we need him too ~ I cannot wait for the Canes to hit the ice congrats Peters hope to you do great things this upcoming season.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jun 12, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
Deaf,Dumb & Blind
to the talk of trading Gleason..Yes i still and can play pinball…but from a “different” posistion than “many” of you. But seriously folks …i think and feel the JR needs to give Manny a 20 g thank you bonus…the man when he was on fore… held the presence and the team together on the ice & in the room…by the way…is most of everyone here still wanting to go and try and by the other half or 46% of the Canes ?? enjoy the heat & humidity today…my stock in Duke energy is paying off rather well…hehehe…be safe folks…I am going to a party called " ribfest’ held again this year in winston…was a packed house yesterday….Later…Go Canes !!
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