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MacDonald Says, "Draft Best Player Available"

The Carolina Hurricanes drafted Jamie McBain in the 2nd round of the 2006 NHL Entry Draft.  The Canes have three 2nd round picks this year. (photo by LTD)

(This is part three and the final edition of a Canes Country exclusive interview with Tony MacDonald, Director of Amateur Scouting for the Carolina Hurricanes.)

As the NHL Entry Draft approaches, fans from every franchise get more and more excited as they speculate about the future as well as the various possibilities of what could happen concerning their respective teams.  It's a time of hope and anticipation. 

Many fans discussing the draft end up asking each other the age old question, should the team make a pick based upon team needs, or should they choose the best player available?  Last week, I asked Tony MacDonald that exact question.

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"We usually follow the philosophy that we go after the best player, regardless of position.  Drafting to need is something that is sometimes done, but we have a tendency to go a little more in that direction as you go deeper into the draft.  But for the first pick, we just try to go for the best player.  Good players are good players.  They are assets.  Any player that is drafted high and can play in the NHL is a valuable commodity."

(MacDonald explained a bit more.) 

"If you draft to need, most of the time the players are not ready to step right in and fill that void immediately anyway.  If your immediate need is for a defenseman or center, or whatever, you rarely can fill it right away through the draft."

 

Expect a Goalie to be drafted, but in later rounds

The Hurricanes have only drafted one goalie since the lockout.  Mike Murphy was selected in the 2008 entry draft in the 6th round.   Since Justin Peters was chosen to back up Cam Ward, it means that Justin Pogge and Murphy are the only remaining goalies in the system, (they will both start off in Charlotte).  Perhaps the Carolina organization is a little light in the position? 

I asked MacDonald if, under the circumstances, it was a priority to draft a goalie.

"We would like to get a goalie.  Typically, if you could draft one every year it would be ideal.   Sometimes that opportunity doesn’t present itself.   But we would like to draft another goalie and we likely will.   I couldn’t say exactly at what point in the draft that might be.   It’s not a priority in the sense that we think our goalltending needs to be addressed.  We feel like we are in pretty good shape there right now.   But it’s certainly something we are looking at and we would like to add another goalie for organizational depth if nothing else."

 

The 2nd round has been very good to the Canes

The Hurricanes have been pretty fortunate in recent drafts choosing players in the second round.  Jamie McBain was a 2nd rounder in 2006, as was Zac Dalpe in 2008, and Brian Dumoulin in 2009.  Each of these players look like outstanding prospects.   

Does this draft look deep enough so that the trend can continue?

"Yes it does!  This draft looks to be a very deep draft and there are certainly players who are going to fall into that second round range that we like a lot.  We have three picks in the second round, which is the most we have ever had.  We have 11 picks overall and that’s the highest number we have ever had.   Having three seconds is a luxury we are not used to and we’re hoping we can make that pay off.  We think it will pay off." 

 

Grab Bag Picks From 3 to 10?

After the first two choices of Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin, scouting services and various draft projections have the next 8 to 10 players ranked all over the map.  I asked MacDonald why it was like that?  Are the players really that close in skill level or are the services and/or teams looking at different things?

"It’s a combination of those things I think.  There are some very good players in the mix and we don’t all see them the same.  Some teams might be looking at needs, some teams are looking at best players, some at the best athlete.   Some teams might be trying to hit a home run with a player who might be a little bit down the ladder.   I think if you were to look at five or six NHL team lists, there would be quite a variation.   You would probably be looking at many of the same players, but the order would be different each time.   But you are correct, after Hall and Seguin, the next 8 or 9 players, for a variety of reasons, could all be ranked from 3 to 10.

 

WHL and OHL, Good Places to Find Players

In recent years, the majority of the players selected by the Hurricanes have come out of the WHL or OHL.  While the numbers might be skewed a bit because the club has not been shy about drafting players from the Plymouth Whalers, a junior team owned by Carolina owner, Peter Karmanos, they have also drafted several players from the WHL. 

The Canes are not alone.  This report by Copper and Blue indicates that more players drafted into the NHL come from those two leagues than any other by far.  (16% for the WHL and 18% for the OHL).  The only other location in double figures was the QMJHL at 11%. 

I asked MacDonald if he felt that the OHL and the WHL were the best developmental junior leagues and if the Canes specifically targeted players from those leagues? (Although last year's draft results were different from previous years).

"I guess I wouldn’t say that it just happened that way.  We do tend to lean a bit more toward the OHL and WHL players, when all things are equal.  But we are always open to the best player, regardless where he is from.   Like you mentioned, last year we went in a different direction.  If the best players available are from Finland, or Ontario, or Quebec for that matter, we are open to drafting them."  

 

 

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i would agree that

the Canes organization has had great picks and choices as of late from the OHL & WHL and we all know some who played and wore a Canes sweater too…
Thanks Bob

And if it Aint Hockey,It Aint Nothin !!
Nino is The One !

by CaniacSteve on Jun 17, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Peter Chiarelli (Bruin’s GM) reported that he had one very good offer for the 2nd Overall Pick but he still maintained he planned on keeping it. He also added that Spezza rumors were false because they couldn’t take on that much salary, so I would guess the “very good offer” he has is for picks and prospects given their Cap situation. Oiler’s GM Steve Tambellini also said he’d be open to all offers.

by JussiJuice on Jun 17, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Like a good stew

the plot thickens…Thanks Jussi…

And if it Aint Hockey,It Aint Nothin !!
Nino is The One !

by CaniacSteve on Jun 17, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Oilers are open to all offers, I wonder if the Canes will try to make a play.

by CoastalCane on Jun 17, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like how he mentioned players from “Finland, or Ontario, or Quebec for that matter, we are open to drafting them”. No mention of Sweden or Russia. Coincidence? I think not.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Ya, but look to the top of his quote they still put kids in the Oh & Dub ahead of anything that comes out of Europe. I don’t know if you can jump to the conclusion that we’re drafting Granlund by that statement. All the statement really reads is we don’t care where the kid comes from.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I would like Granlund, I have to agree with Go-Shelf. I think mentioning Finalnd means the kid is on the Canes radar, which he should be, but I don’t know that he’s saying that is who the Canes want. FWIW, he’s the only guy of that group that I would like the Canes to draft if they stay at #7.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 17, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Granlund happens to be the featured prospect in Branecky’s continuing series on the Canes site.

Would probably be fine centering our third line, perhaps as soon as next season.

Could be he’s the candidate for the center position that the org has hinted they’re targeting, although Tony above is saying it’s a BPA philosophical approach.

by Elsker on Jun 17, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

One major thing to consider … the majority of drafted forwards play center when they’re junior-aged b/c, frankly, that’s where the best forwards play most of the time at that level. But just because someone is a center entering the draft doesn’t mean they’ll be a center as a pro. Granlund, like Boychuk, is undersized and might be better on the wing than at the pivot at the next level. In 2006, the smaller listed centers that were selected early wound up as wings in the NHL (Kessel, Little).

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 17, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally hope that the center they may be targeting is Seguin, and not some third-line solution, anyway.

Nothing available at #7 excites me at all.

by Elsker on Jun 17, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seguin fills a lot of wholes on this team, there’s no doubt about that.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 17, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cory’s right on. Centers in hockey drafts are very similar to pitchers in MLB drafts. That’s where the best athletes tend to play, but not always where they end up.

That said, one thing that interests me about Granlund playing center is the way he is reported to involves his wingers.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 17, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s by far the most taxing position and probably brings the most responsibility. When you look at the min/game some of the elite centermen play/game it’s amazing.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gosh – no. Never occurred to me that phrase meant they were going after Granlund. I just meant it sounds like that’s where the scouts are. They did draft 2 Finns last year, and a Swede? How long since they drafted a Russian?

(There is also a running totally biased twitter conversation with some Finn hockey tweeters about how Finn hockey players are better than Russians that I was going for – but totally missed in this audience – my bad.)

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

They can make that argument because of all the Olympic and WC gold medal’s they have right? FWIW, I think they should stay away from the Euro’s with that 1st pick, we’ve had good success with getting players out of WHL & OHL and should stay on that path.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was also observed that no Russians made it to the Stanley Cup Finals, but there were 3 Finns. Perhaps meaningless, but enjoyable nonetheless.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed that too, but I ‘m not jumping to that conclusion, I like our Finns, but they’re still Euro’s. Look no further than to the list of Conn Smythe trophy winners over the past 20-30 years, 3 Euro’s. Look to the list of NHL captains: 5 Euro’s. It’s obvious where my bias is, but I think there’s bit of a correlation there.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Canadians are the gold standard. But among Euro’s, the Finns and obviously Swedes are awesome. The Russians are the risky ones (again – a lot of talent, but somehow seems like something intangible is missing in NHL play). I think it’s a matter of having the diversity to broaden the pool of talents and approaches to the game.

BTW – this is handy if you haven’t already discovered it: Canes Draft history. No Russians since 2001. And only one since the move to Carolina.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the trend for the past three years is that we picked a Center so will we make it four in a row? And MacDonald says we will draft the bast player available — not based on need. Was last years pick, Paradis, really the best player available?

Is it October yet?

by hotchipsnsalsa on Jun 17, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, I noticed the draft history a couple of months back. Russia’s in big trouble, the quality of their hockey programs has really dropped off in the past 10 years and based on what I’ve seen at the WJC the past 3 – 4 years it doesn’t appear to be getting much better.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty of Russians are proven winners. For me, the bigger concern is whether or not they’ll come to N.A. and stay.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 17, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes that has to be concern, would you build you team around one? Obviously Washington is.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remembering last year

I remember last year when the Canes profiled players like they’re doing on their site this week. I also remember that they selected someone completely not profiled (Paradise). Perhaps we should look for a similar trend in the coming days? Of course, they’re so high up compared to last year, perhaps it was just coincidence. Or the talent last year at the bottom of the 1st was shallow and the talent for the top ten this year is a little more cut and dry.
Meh, something to keep in mind, anyhow. Canes like to throw us curves.

by Caniac1026 on Jun 17, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt we’ll see any huge surprise. Granlund, Skinner, Johansen, Gormley, Forbort maybe, but not Sheahan, Mckegg or Pickard… IMO

by randycane on Jun 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I would love to take Sheahan at 20-25 if we traded up into another 1st Round Pick. He is a great Playmaker.

by JussiJuice on Jun 17, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gregg McKegg. Prolly the best name in the draft. Might sell as many jerseys as Clayton Stoner is going to sell in Minnesota.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 17, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumoulin invited to Team USA evaluation camp

Speaking of Brian Dumoulin, last year’s 2nd round pick, he has been invited to the Team USA evaluation camp for U-20 World Juniors. Here’s the list

14 Dmen are invited, only 3 were on last year’s Gold Medal team, including Cam Fowler. FWIW, Dumoulin’s the 2nd biggest guy listed after Tinordi who’s 6 months younger. Camp is in Lake Placid sometime this summer.

This year the U20 World Juniors are in Buffalo, Dec 26 – Jan 5, 2010

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

While we’re comparing US born Dmen drafted in the 2nd round by the Hurricanes, Jamie McBain was on the USA team for 2007 and 08. That looks like it was a good choice.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt Dumoulin was a steal. The way he played this year as a Freshman at BC, it is hard to believe he won’t be a future top-4 D in the NHL. If we somehow ended up with Gormley, Gudbranson, and Fowler we would have one of the best, youngest D corps in the league for seasons to come.

by JussiJuice on Jun 17, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been trying to do the math on when he might make the transition. Because he’s a Sept birthday, he won’t be 20 till Sept 2011. So he won’t be able to play at all for the Checkers, like Dalpe did, next Spring. I’d like to think he’ll be here (Charlotte/Carolina) for the 2011-12 season.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Canes Now, the Camp is July 30 – Aug 7.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And to correct the date of the tournament, obviously it’s Dec 26, 2010 to Jan 5, 2011.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hehehe

at the rate things and information that’s flying by…it will or possibly make that long hot summer but heck it’s the middle of June already…where did 2010 go thus far ?
I know there is an old saying…“Time waits for no man”…but hey couldn’t it slow down…just a wee bit ?

And if it Aint Hockey,It Aint Nothin !!
Nino is The One !

by CaniacSteve on Jun 17, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad they admit the better players come from the WHL and OHL, considering our first from last year was from the Q and has already been traded.

http://www.prosportsblogging.com

by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 17, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Per Capita Quebec’s the least productive Province in terms of producing NHL players (less the Maritimes & Territories), Sask is most productive.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. I would have guessed Ontario and Alberta. And there are no NHL teams in Sask at the moment.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait – you said per capita. That makes a lot more sense.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sask can be considered an outlier because of it’s small population (3% of total population), but it’s worth noting because I think they’ve produced some of the most rugged and balanced NHL’ers in the world. Not a fun place to live between November – April.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is interesting info. I’d be interested to read more about this Cough*HM/Cory/Bob*Cough. Oh wait, I could research it myself I suppose.

Where are you getting this info from Go_Shelf?

http://www.prosportsblogging.com

by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 17, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did it a couple of months ago to support an opinion I had (I was wrong), I should have posted it. Stats Canada & NHL.com. There was a button up on NHL.com during the Olympics I used.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool, thanks. I’d also be interested in learning where people are from versus where they grow up. For instance, players will have there hometown listed as one place, but they weren’t born there, or they were born they but grew up elsewhere. Like Craig Adams was born in Seria, but grew up in Calgary, whereas Patrick O’Sullivan (I’ve heard) was not born in Winston-Salem, but grew up there until his junior playing days.

I guess it is all about a curiosity of how a player learns to be the player he/she is and where those instincts/competitiveness all come from.

http://www.prosportsblogging.com

by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 17, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, Red Deer and the Suburbs of Edmonton are interesting, a lot of families billet their kids there because of great bantaam and midget teams they have. I’m not sure why Cam Ward’s familiy moved to Sherwood Park but I know Ryan Smyth moved from Banff to Red Deer to play hockey. I’m not sure how good Red Deer is now, but when I was in my teens it seemed like their midget team went to the Air Canada Cup every year.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I’ve heard. I have a good hockeymom friend from Saskatoon. Her son was a D-pairing with my son in Squirts this year. (Her nephew was the fill-in goalie for the ECHL Checkers before the playoffs this spring – Was in net for the Wheat Kings most of the season.) Anyway, she loves Chapel Hill now. Though her family is all still up there.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s great, I’m guessing she doesn’t want to go back. I’ve played in a number of hockey tournaments in Sask growing up and don’t ever wish to go back. Great people, horrible climate.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you from there? (not to pry)

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank God no (kidding). Alberta Boy .

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

um – guess not anymore? You decided to get oot?

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

For now eh, we’ll see. There’s lot of things I still miss, the weather is not one of them.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell me is Saskatchewan a lot colder than Alberta? ..from upstate ny, so not up on western Ca.

by randycane on Jun 17, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

No, both are miserable, especially when you factor in the wind. It’s the wind kills ya. Western Alberta has the mountains which tend to be a little more moderate, but once you hit the prairies, it’s on.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have another good friend with family in Edmonton. It sounds like a miserable place to be. Must not attract a lot of new residents..?

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant the weather. If I was a six years old and could move anywhere in the world it would be Alberta, arguably the best minor hockey system in the world. Growing up I had 5 outdoor rinks within 10 minutes of my house and they all had great pick-up games. Edmonton’s a great city, very blue collar, other than the weather it’s not bad. You want to talk about a crazy city during the playoffs – it’s a religion.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hello All. Long time reader first time posting so take it easy and don’t grill me too hard!

Perhaps I am falling into the trap of all the hype that is surrounding Tyler Seguin, but if he is all he is made out to be I do not see why PK and JR do not make a run on trading up. After a disappointing year filling seats is a priority even though the ASG should help ticket sales. Why not add a future super star? He is a product of a Karmanos organization and from the combine appears to have taken the Canes work ethic and physical approach to heart.

I understand we would have to move a roster player and 2 have been brought up on other boards, Ruutu and Jokinen.

I believe that Ruutu’s physical play is too important to our style of play to move him. Plus coming off season ending surgery makes him a health risk and dwindles his value I would think. (Plus he is my favorite player so I would like it if he sticks around)
After Jussi’s breakout year it is hard to imagine “betraying” our loyalty to him but I feel his production could be replaced by Seguin and others in the next 2-3 seasons. It would be hard to see him go because I love the guy to death but if that is what it takes to get the deal done I would not mind seeing the deal made.

Obviously I am a dreamer and just want the best player but i feel we have the pieces to make a deal that will better the organization and set us up well for the future.

Well my first comment is done and my hands are still trembling ;) Take care everyone and I hope to be around more often

by Clemson Caniac on Jun 17, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

For the most part I feel the same way. Staal, Sutter, Seguin would be a deadly trio of centermen.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something I didn’t think about until now… I think if we threw in our next year’s 1st Round pick, I think a deal to get Seguin is a lot more likely. Especially to a team like Boston who would then have 3 great 1st Round picks next year if they did that. Something like:

  1. Overall + Our 2011 1st Round Pick
    for
  2. Overall + 2nd or 3rd Round Pick

I think as far as Boston or Edmonton is concerned, they would be much more interested in taking extra picks than actual salaries.

by JussiJuice on Jun 17, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a steep cost .. you could wind up like Toronto and really regret doing that.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 17, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, but no risk no reward, we have 2 seconds next year, 3 this year and, a number of prospects, so we have a lot of assets and giving up a couple of them to get a player like Seguin certainly wouldn’t empty the cupboard. I also think Seguin will be a better player than Kessel.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toronto has mortgaged its future for a pipe dream

  I agree with Cory. Seguin is great; but there are other players who will ultimately get to the same place or nearly the same place as Seguin. I really, really hope we don’t fall victim to the “savior complex” like Burke and imagine that the future doesn’t matter because he is so brilliant he can turn a loser franchise into a dynasty. There are plenty of talented hockey players available at #7, and the more one separates hype from fact, the clearer it is that several of the young players in position 5 through 10 will be excellent NHL players.

by abramsdoug on Jun 17, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could make the same argument for keeping the picks next year or in any draft. Who is to say the player we would be able to draft next year is going to be as good as Seguin or any draft day trades. Any trade has a risk factor. If we were to trade as proposed and somehow manage to get Seguin, there is a risk that the pick traded flops. I agree there needs to be some serious evaluation, but its not really a realistic argument to say if you trade a pick in this range you are giving up a sure fire NHL talent. Yes the chances of that player becoming one is higher than trading a bunch of 2nds, but regardless there is no guarantee.

by Caniac Kid on Jun 17, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seguin

Seguin is as close to a sure bet as there is – much like Eric Staal. The problem is the cost of getting him weakens the team overall; or at least any kind of trade I can imagine would be a king’s ransom. I would much rather see the Hurricanes bite the financial bullet and go for Nathan Horton. I suspect the asking price for Nathan Horton is not a king’s ransom. Cole’s salary is coming off the books next year or at least it could to make salary room for Horton. Horton and Staal would be formidable talent on one line.

by abramsdoug on Jun 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seguin would be cheaper than Horton (salary wise). How is acquiring Seguin using picks hurting the team at all (immediately)? The only negative effect we would see is years down the road when our prospect would possibly beneficial to the team. It is just a first round pick, that is NOT a king’s ransom… Boychuk and Tlusty are typical first round picks, would our team be devastated if either one was gone?

by JussiJuice on Jun 19, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our first round pick next year will, at worst, be out of the bottom 10, so in real possible bust territory for first rounders. It’s not much of a prize to surrender, and a later first-rounder is achievable through a trade deadline trade of Pitkanen, if desired.

The bird in the hand of Seguin, and what he would mean for the future of this team/org, strengthens the team, not weakens it, both long-term and short-term through ticket sales alone.

And, as for the Horton drum you beat, there’s a reason they’re dumping him. He has shown nothing his entire career and won’t make it onto our roster on character issues alone. We can do far better.

by Elsker on Jun 19, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Elsker, who are the players whom the Hurricanes can obtain as a first line wing who are far better than Horton?

by abramsdoug on Jun 19, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a useless exercise, since there’s no feasible way to obtain any such talent.

But, I’d definitely take Patrick Sharp over Nathan Horton.

Here, choose from this sorted list of approximately similarly priced players (ignoring that Horton’s headed for $5.5M territory for his third season from now).

I’d take almost any of them instead of Nathan Horton, who I would not care to see in our sweater. No effort and a bit of an attitude problem. No thanks.

by Elsker on Jun 19, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I agree we won’t be signing any expensive free agents, or trading for them, and Horton is a no-go even if we did! After looking at the list, a couple of the D-men would look good here, but i don’t see how we could acquire them! Unless someone wants Cole, or sammy- with Picard type of deal (and maybe a pick) we won’t get one off that list.

by randycane on Jun 21, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

JJ

I was working on a story regarding a similar scenario. Will post it tomorrow morning.

Editing Manager of CanesCountry.com

by Bob Wage on Jun 17, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to reading that!

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 18, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the blog. You write well – nothing to fear.

Who knows? maybe it will happen. Karmanos made some comments last week that he wasn’t entirely sold on Seguin, which I thought was pretty strange. Perhaps it’s just a ruse.

Are you in Clemson? I know another regular here who needs a Caniac cohort down there – at least when school is in session.

It's gonna be a long summer.

by Carolyn Christians on Jun 17, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Born in Greenville but now I live about 45 minutes east of Columbia. Just moved from Raleigh earlier this year. Lived there 4 years and had friends that got me into hockey (needless to say ’06 was quite a first year as a hockey fan) and my love for the game just keeps growing.

by Clemson Caniac on Jun 17, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome! Two things.

1 – We need to flip you over. If you read here much you’ll know what that means.

2 – If it makes you feel any better, my hands tremble too when I type something about Tuomo. Although probably for a different reason.

;-) ;-) ;-)

I don’t think any of the Finns are going anywhere anytime soon for a whole host of reasons, but Tuomo mainly as you described, and Jussi mainly because I think he’s so incredibly versatile which I think is key when you’re on a budget (and he is still an unbelievable bargain for next season).

Phoblographer and Finn Aficionado
SISU

by Jamie Kellner on Jun 17, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m afraid I do not know what flipping means. Guess I’ll have to learn the hard way…uh oh.

by Clemson Caniac on Jun 17, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

We flip over puppies and kitties to see if they’re boys or girls.

:D

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by Jamie Kellner on Jun 17, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe I was a patient of this procedure years ago. I am a man, despite what my father says some days. :)

by Clemson Caniac on Jun 17, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome. Great post. I doubt Boston is going to give up its second round pick, but who knows crazier things have happened. I do think the Hurricanes will pick a center and they have decided whom the want. In my view, it is from the choices of Johansen, Granlund, and Burmistrov. Here’s a recent article on Burmistrov.

http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2010/06/what-about-alex-burmistrovin-nyis-slot-some-believe-the-forward-is-the-bpa/

by abramsdoug on Jun 17, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome! I think everyone would like Seguin — the Canes included — but you have to be careful about overpaying. No one’s a sure thing and you don’t want to mortgage your future b/c of one mistake.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 17, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome! I’d be the other Tiger HM was talking about. Nice to have some backup on here; come ACC tournament time it can get hard here for a Tiger fan. :D

I see you’ve already been flipped over so you can consider yourself an official part of the CC family now. Keep posting!

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Jun 17, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any time of year is tough for a Tiger fan. But I imagine basketball season can bring up some arguments around here! Pleasure to be here!

by Clemson Caniac on Jun 17, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have no idea. The ACC Tourney loss to NC State was particularly ugly.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Jun 17, 2010 11:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Welcome

Yeh, a lot of people would like Seguin! I won’t be surprised if they try to get him, but w/b surprised if we can the 1st or 2nd pick, which it would take!!! Tks Go_shelf for info on Can.

by randycane on Jun 17, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I think randycane was saying that although the Hurricanes will likely make a pitch for the second pick, it is likely not to work because Seguin will last no longer than the second pick. Right?

by abramsdoug on Jun 17, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got that, but what I didn’t was “Tks Go_shelf for info on Can.”.

by Go_Shelf on Jun 17, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

My interpretation was he was thanking you for the information on Canada and weather that you posted in the comments way above here.

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by Jamie Kellner on Jun 17, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeh...

Sorry, i reread what i wrote and understand that what i wrote wasn’t what i meant to write… but yes you’ve got it right!! i was trying to thank you for the info on Canada!
…and i hope we get Seguin (but it’s doubtful) … been away to the big Megalopolis of RTP!! so i’m a little behind.

by randycane on Jun 18, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Skinner continues to crop in conversations about centers/wings in the first round

http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/se-news.cgi?profiles&x_pagespec=20100602&x_SEID=23&x_SEType=1

This article talks about players capable of making an impact as a rookie. Jeff Skinner is mentioned.

Jeff Skinner was described as “A natural scorer who has the instincts to produce at any level.”

Skinner can also play center, left wing, and right wing. I am not advocating for Skinner, but I wanted to pass on the article.

by abramsdoug on Jun 17, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

We could do worse!!

Hard to know whether his average (or less) speed would be a problem… but natural goal scorers don’t come around that often. IIRC Tavares was criticized for lack of speed!! That seems to be working out well!

by randycane on Jun 18, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

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