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Hurricanes Bolster Depth By Acquiring Bobby Sanguinetti, Riley Nash

LOS ANGELES, CA - JUNE 25:  A view of the draft boards during the 2010 NHL Entry Draft at Staples Center on June 25, 2010 in Los Angeles, California.  (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

Canes Country's second of two mock drafts leading up to this weekend's event hypothesized that Carolina could use their glut of draft picks to move into the first round two more times and select three players on Friday night.

When Chicago ended Round 1 with the 30th pick, the Canes had just one, holding on to the seventh overall pick to select sniper Jeff Skinner. It seemed Carolina, although they tried to move back into the first round, would leave L.A. with one blue-chip talent and a wealth of second-day picks.

But GM Jim Rutherford still managed to walk out of the Staples Center Saturday with three first-round talents.

Star-divide

With a total of 11 picks, plus an extra second-rounder in 2011, in the keep, Rutherford wheeled and dealed for the No. 21 picks in both the 2006 and 2007 draft. For Washington's 2011 second round pick and one of the Hurricanes’ sixths this year, Carolina acquired 2006 pick Bobby Sanguinetti from the Rangers. With the move, Rutherford not only bolstered his blue line for the future, but also gave the team a much-needed offensive option for their 2010-11 defense. He also further confirmed his long-standing creed that first-round defenseman are best acquired, not drafted.

"He’ll definitely be able to compete for a job this year," Rutherford said of Sanguinetti. "It will be a matter of what everybody else does also. But he has a couple years of pro under his belt now, and it’s along the lines of what I talk about: these defensemen get taken in the first round and end up getting with their second team and they start to mature a little bit more. We have several first round picks on defense that other teams took. [Tim] Gleason was one, [Joni] Pitkanen is another, [Anton] Babchuk is another, and now Sanguenetti. We’re kind of living off other people’s draft and them getting their development starting and us jumping in and still getting them at young ages."

Not only does the addition of Sanguinetti add another talented horse in a young stable of defenders, but it gives Carolina another much-needed point man for their power play, joining Jamie McBain as a player projected to be a long-time contributor with the man-advantage. And with Pitkanen set for unrestricted free agency and Babchuk presumably earning arbitration rights after this season, Carolina received help today without taking an eye off the future.

Sanguinetti is excited for the future as well, especially after a disappointing tenure with the Rangers that saw him shuffled back in the blue line pecking order.

"As far as a trade goes, you never know exactly if anything’s going to happen or not," Sanguinetti, a Trenton, N.J. native, said of being dealt from the team that selected him four years ago. "I was a little disappointed I didn’t play in New York [this season]. They had a good team with players like [Michael] Del Zotto and a lot of young guys. I kind of mentioned to them that I wouldn’t be unhappy with being traded. I’m really excited about the chance that I’m getting and Carolina’s a great organization heading in the right direction, and I hope that I can help out in the near future."

Also in the near — though maybe not as near — future — is Cornell forward Riley Nash. Nash, the 2007 No. 21 overall pick by the Oilers, was acquired from Edmonton for the 46th overall pick, the second three Carolina held in Round 2. Nash had been on Carolina's radar all season, courtesy of the keen eye of Ron Francis, the team's associate coach and director of player personnel.It was on trips to watch Cornell, where Canes defensive prospect Justin Krueger played the past four seasons, that Nash caught Francis' eye.

"I’ve seen him play at Cornell a few times, and I just mentioned to Jim that if this guy came available [to keep him in mind]," Francis said. "It was something we talked about with the second-round picks. We made a call to Edmonton and fortunately worked a deal out."

In Nash, Francis said he saw the kind of skills that make for a special player.

"There’s certain parts of the game, I think, that are very teachable and other things that aren’t," Francis said. "Some of things that are hard to teach are vision and the ability to see things on the ice that others don’t see. He has that knack. He has good hands. I just think he has a lot of the things that are tough to teach, so I think he’s a good prospect for us."

But while Sanguinetti could contribute as early as this year, Nash will likely take a little more time to crack the NHL.

"He’s got a year left of college, so Jim will have to have a chat with his agent first and see where things stand and kind of go from there," Francis said of the possibility of Nash playing pro hockey in the fall. "He needs a little more work but, as I was saying, I wouldn’t put it past him. He has a lot of good tools, so hopefully it will be sooner rather than later."

Throw in AHLer Jon Matsumoto, who was acquired from Philadelphia for one of Carolina's two seventh-round picks, and the Canes used draft weekend to not only draft eight players but also add three other assets that could contribute at different times down the road for the organization.

While it all seems a bit unconventional, Rutherford was ready to walk away from Los Angeles feeling satisfied with the Canes’ efforts over the weekend.

"Some years the draft falls your way and some years it doesn’t," Rutherford said. "This is a year where we kind of stayed put, we didn’t move around with our picks and we’re real pleased with the way it fell."

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very Good Cory

and you & Bob did a GREAT job for we fans here at home…yes it got hectic here at times…and to the sadness of a few fans…no word of a possible offer sheet for “that” other guy named Staal that the rangers have…but over all I see much wisdon in some of the choices JR made…both of you be safe getting back…

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by CaniacSteve on Jun 27, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Cory – how many of these guys (Matsumoto, Sanguinetti and Nash) are eligible for Traverse City? They need a pro contract, I suppose, which makes Nash a question.

The buzz from Philly/Adirondack blogs on Matsumoto is just that the Flyers had too many top-shelf centers, no room at the top. If that’s the case, than, wow, what a find.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, HM, I’m pretty psyched about the draft and the players the Canes collected. Moto (early nickname) will add some depth at center which we all know was a priority. I’m really intrigued about Levi, especially after the post by DetAvs that suggests he might play forward. Our own Bufflin (not going to try to spell it)?

by Gillimus on Jun 27, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those comments on Levi are an example of why blogging and the internet is the best thing since sliced bread.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

True. That instant form of information transmittal and dissemination makes it hard for the professional commentators to keep up.

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that’s only the beginning of why I like it.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doug, when are you going to post your potential lines for 10-11?

by Gillimus on Jun 27, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Staal centers Jussi and Cole/Boychuk
Sutter centers Ruutu and Cole/Boychuk
Dalpe centers LaRose and Skinner
Dwyer centers TK and random Checker

Pits and Gleason
Sanguinetti and McBain
Babchuk and Harrison/random Checker

by Gillimus on Jun 27, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fear that third line!

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree…hungry guys and some scoring touch…LaRose was a .5 a game player last year…could be a good energy line

by Gillimus on Jun 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That third line does look pretty good – they will definitely present some problems for opponents.

by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 27, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where’s Carson? – better than Harrison by a mile!

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carson is definitely my choice over Harrison

I agree. In my view Carson is vastly better than Harrison. There’s no comparison as far as I am concerned. Harrison, I think, will spend much of his time in Charlotte next season despite his one way contract.

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

Skinner already up? He’d need a hell of a camp.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skinner in 2010-2011

   I could really be wrong, but I think Skinner has the skill set to play a lot of minutes at Carolina in 2010-2011. I see the situation as similar to Matt Duchene. If Skinner hits the weight room like crazy to get his upper body strength up, he could be a pleasant surprise in 2010-2011. If not, watch for Dalpe to come into camp and make a splash.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I had to guess, I’d say they’d give him at least another year in junior. But they have prospect cond. camp to get a better assessment prior to real camp.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boychuk and Skinner and Sutter

  Cory, I think the prospect camp and training camp will determine whether the Hurricanes take the approach they took with Boychuk or whether they will follow the approach they took with Sutter. It all depends on how physically mature Skinner is and whether he can take the pounding of the NHL at 18. Really very, very few prospects are NHL ready at 18. My guess is they will give Skinner a chance to show he is ready, but they will be cautious with him because so much depends on Skinner developing into a top tier scorer.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, both Sutter and Boychuk went back to the WHL for a year after being picked. The difference was that Sutter is a Feb. baby and Boychuk October, so the options on keeping Sutter two seasons ago were limited to junior or NHL in his second year.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to see Skinner on the early road trip but returned prior to playing ten games, but I think even that is a stretch. I can see him having a decent pre-season if he’s given time with Staal and I can see the Canes thinking he would be a good fit for the road trip while letting some of the group that will go up and down this year get started in Charlotte (I nearly wrote Albany! How awesome is it that we’ll be able to go to Charlotte early this season?)

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that I can easily see him playing up for the 10-game trial.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also don't see Sanguinetti playing top four minutes this year.

Maybe next, but I doubt they put him up there with as little experience as he has in the bigs.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanguinetti has 2 full years of AHL experience. I think it is safe to say he is ready to make the jump, I wouldn’t be surprised if he and Babchuk fought it out for PP QB. Pitkanen, Sanguinetti, McBain, and Babchuk as the 4 D on a Powerplay is a scary thing. I see a lot of goals from the D coming this year.

by JussiJuice on Jun 27, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it works out that way, sure will split our opponents’ defense. They won’t cover the crease and slot nearly so cleanly. Good aspect of the game to watch develop.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The odd thing about those 4 quarterbacking the PP, 3 of them are right-handed shots. That goes against the NHL average.

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by PackPride17 on Jun 27, 2010 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting. Did not realize we had that many RH shots.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Been an organizational issue for so long we probably over-compensated. :-D

No, just luck of the draw, I suppose.

Good thing, in that it makes them even more valuable when it comes time for them to move onward.

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd agree he has a shot to win some time on the PP...

Still, though, I would bet on him as a third-pairing guy, at least not to start the year.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lines for 2010-2011; first draft

I thought you’d never ask. LOL.

Here are some versions of the forward lines for the Canes 2010-2011. I’m still working on more.

  Revised 6/16/2010

(Without Cole bc I have a hunch Cole may be traded and I wanted to test out the lines)

I think Nash will stay at Cornell, but I wanted to see how it played out if Nash signed with Carolina. The fact that Ron Francis is impressed with Nash, and particularly Nash’s vision on the ice, makes Nash a player to watch.

Version 1:

Skinner/Staal/Jokinen

Tlusty/Sutter/Ruutu

Boychuk/Matsumoto/Dalpe

Samson/Dwyer/LaRose

Version 2:

Skinner/Staal/Jokinen

Tlusty/Sutter/Ruutu

Boychuk/Dalpe/Osala

Samson/Dwyer/LaRose

Version 3:

Jokinen/Staal/Ruutu

Boychuk/Sutter/Tlusty

Dalpe/Skinner/Osala

Samson/Nash/LaRose

Version 4:

Jokinen/Staal/Ruutu

Boychuk/Sutter/Tlusty

Dalpe/Skinner/Bowman

Samson/Matsumoto/LaRose

Version 5:

Jokinen/Staal/Ruutu

Boychuk/Sutter/Tlusty

LaRose/Skinner/Bowman

Samson/Matsumoto/Dwyer

VERSIONS W COLE

  If I were Cole, I would see the writing on the wall; and I’d realize I had to come to camp ready to win a roster spot. I know the Hurricanes coaches respect and like Cole, so if he plays to his potential, he can have a longer career than some people think – assuming his past neck injuries don’t force him to retire for medical reasons.

Version 1:

Skinner/Staal/Jokinen

Tlusty/Sutter/Ruutu

Boychuk/Matsumoto/Cole

Samson/Dwyer/LaRose

Version 2:

Skinner/Staal/Jokinen

Tlusty/Sutter/Ruutu

Boychuk/Dalpe/Cole

Samson/Dwyer/LaRose

Version 3:

Jokinen/Staal/Ruutu

Tlusty/Sutter/Cole

Boychuk/Dalpe/Skinner

Samson/Nash/LaRose

Version 4:

Jokinen/Staal/Cole

Tlusty/Sutter/Ruutu

Boychuk/Skinner/Bowman

Samson/Matsumoto/LaRose

Version 4:

Jokinen/Staal/Cole

Tlusty/Sutter/Ruutu

Boychuk/Skinner/Bowman

Samson/Matsumoto/LaRose

Version 5:

Jokinen/Staal/Ruutu

Tlusty/Sutter/Cole

Boychuk/Skinner/Bowman

Samson/Matsumoto/LaRose

Here are some defensive lines:

Defense Lines

Version 1:

Gleason/Pitkanen

McBain/Babchuk

Sanguinetti/Carson

Version 2:

Gleason/McBain

Pitkanen/Babchuk

Carson/Sanguinetti

Version 3:

Gleason/McBain

Carson/Pitkanen

Sanguinetti/Babchuk

Version 4:

Gleason/McBain

Pitkanen/Sanguinetti

Carson/Babchuk

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaRose and the Trade Deadline

   As much as the team loves LaRose and all with good reason, the stacking of young talent at forward is an important signal that only the core forwards are untouchable among the veteran forwards. So for LaRose, his $1.9 million salary makes him vulnerable to being traded. The more I watch the end of the year games, the more impressed I am with LaRose’s play at year end – when he was healthier. Even so, the Canes really need LaRose to be a leader on the ice in terms of goal scoring and avoiding stupid penalties. He has always been a great locker room person and a fan favorite. Never underestimate LaRose.

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

My preference

Jokinen/Staal/Ruutu

Skinner/Sutter/Tlusty

LaRose/Dalpe/Boychuk (or Cole)

Samson/Matsumoto/Dwyer

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaRose

  I prefer Bowman or Osala to LaRose on the third line; but I could be totally mistaken. I would like to see three second lines rather than treating the fourth line as the invisible men.

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

However...

With as much ice time as fourth line guys get (usually less than 10:00), you’re really wasting a guy like LaRose there.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

4th Line for Hurricanes

   The Hurricanes are at a cross roads. They have too much talent at forward to bottle up the talent with under ten minutes a game on the fourth line. Time after time the players and coaches for Carolina were saying that a vibrant fourth line keep everybody else really rested. I predict the Hurricanes will run a mix and match system again but will include many more fourth line minutes than previously.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you’ll find a team in the league that divides the minutes between four lines.

There are only 60 minutes in a game, and your top two lines need to be on the ice, whether 5-on-5 or powerplay, for over 15 minutes each, closer to 20 minutes, ideally.

It’s just not going to happen. Nor should it.

by Elsker on Jun 28, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has JR ever been quoted as saying that Skinner is ready for the NHL? Skinner is certainly thick at 5’10, 190+ lbs… But he still looks like he has a little ways to go towards being fully mature physically. I think another year in the Juniors and then he would be ready to come be a 1st line sniper on the Canes.

by JussiJuice on Jun 27, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you listen to the conference call? He was asked that and seemed to think Skinner had a good chance. Not sure if that was a cover answer to encourage the kid, or genuine. They’ll know more after Prospects Camp in a couple weeks.

Cory also asked some good Q’s…cool.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be realistic, budgetary reasons alone may keep him down in the juniors, although I don’t think they’d mess up his development if he had a bad junior team (which was the case with Sutter) or had clearly demonstrated he was NHL-ready with nothing else to learn (no AHL option).

But, he does have a good junior team, and he will play a very significant role upon it. And, I doubt we subscribe to the splash-swim philosophy we did when the cupboards were so bare.

So, I’m guessing exhibition season only, and then returned to his junior team before the Canes fly overseas.

Not sure how the contract issues play into all of this. Have to think about that a bit.

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

As to the contracts...

I know they don’t have to sign for the 10-game trials, but can that be done more than once?

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boychuk and Tlusty

  From what I can tell, the Hurricanes organization intends for Boychuk to have a roster spot. He and Tlusty will have to play themselves out of a position on the team; and personally I don’t see either player ever giving up their spot. They will have ups and downs, but they both are players who work hard every shift.

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really want to get Dwyer away from Center. It’s not his natural NHL-level postion, his FO % was horrific down the stretch. On the Canes, only Whitney, Cole, and LaRose were worse than his 34.8%. That sums it up pretty well.

Matsumoto has been caught in the bottleneck at center in Philly. At 6-0 184 he’s got an inch and 10 lbs on Dwyer, and needs about 10 more lbs (he’s only 23) to be the size of Cullen.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwyer as a wing

  I agree that Dwyer needs to play wing rather than center. Matsumoto seems a better choice than Dwyer as a fourth line center as far as I am concerned.

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

His game isn't really there to be a checker right now.

That was one of the reasons Philly couldn’t find him a spot.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matsumoto has quite a ways to go before he’ll see significant time on a Canes roster (outside of exhibition games and/or massive injuries have decimated the ranks).

He’s at “Keith Aucoin” level right now.

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the same thing.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Third Line Center and Fourth Line Center

I think the Nash and Matsumoto deals were intended to help ensure there was a bona fide third line center and perhaps a fourth line center with Dwyer playing the wing. It will be telling if Nash forgoes his senior year at Cornell.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matsumoto and Nash are both depth guys. Nash will have some chance to make the team, but both are likely in the AHL for the bulk of the season this year. Jokinen, Ruutu, or even Dalpe are more likely for the third line center position.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seemed like JR is already preparing to have Nash play out his college career.

Kind of indicated he was ready to be a pro and they’d prefer to have him playing professional competition, but Nash apparently likes being in college.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, but why is everyone so high on Tlusty? To me he seems to be an average player. I don’t understand how so many of you think he’ll play 2nd line minutes. He’s a good fill-in, but that’s about it. Is it that he is a former 1st rounder?

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by PackPride17 on Jun 27, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tlusty as a second line player in 2010-2011

Tlusty has all the tools. He has excellent size: 6’ 209 lbs and is sturdy. He is surprisingly fast and quick footed. He understands the game and makes excellent choices. He plays excellent defense. He will take or give a hit to make a play. Offensively, he has excellent moves and is not afraid of the slot. He does need to improve finishing his shot; but once he relaxes and doesn’t hurry his shot he’ll done quite fine. He was a #1 draft choice because he has those tools. Tlusty will get plenty of NHL minutes on the second and third line and probably on the power play.

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t see it. He’s a good player, but I think others will prove to be better. I think he is one of those 1st rounders that don’t quite live up to their hype. He could be a solid 3rd liner and that is all I see in him.

I think the organization thinks the same thing, but hopes your assessment is correct. If he was as “sure fire” as you feel, I believe he would have been offered a different contract. They would have still tried to come cheap, but would have offered a longer term than 1 year.

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by PackPride17 on Jun 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with PackPride17. I think the one-year is because he is being assessed.

Next contract based on this year’s performance, whether by negotiation or arbitration. And, his spot within the team matrix is also being evaluated.

Remember, he was an injury band-aid solution, not a carefully stalked or researched acquisition. More like someone Mo knew. :-D

He’s a trade asset, if nothing else, so everyone’s motivated for him to succeed. But, I personally don’t see him rating as many excellent’s as you award. Good, but not excellent.

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did the same with Ruutu … the one-year deal is standard for a second contract for most players.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

One Year Deals for Young Players

  I agree with Cory. The one year deal allows a young player to prove himself when given top six minutes; and if he meets or exceeds projections, he gets rewarded with his next contract.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s actaully what I saying, he has yet to prove himself worthy of a 2nd line minutes. I think he is a good player, but I’m just not as high on him as you.

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by PackPride17 on Jun 28, 2010 8:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Without a doubt he’ll have to earn something beyond the third line. But I think the skill set is there to do it.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have this many times before on other threads. I think Tlusty could be the eventual replacement for LaRose and pretty much no more. He could play 3rd or 4th line, PK, and fill in at certain spots due to injuries. That’s not a bad thing because every team needs a player or two like that. I just don’t feel he will develop into a top 6 player that many here want to believe he will.

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by PackPride17 on Jun 27, 2010 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Tlusty's a 3rd-line guy at minimum.

He’s got a decent scoring touch, much better than his defensive play.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s a 3rd liner at best that could fill in on other lines for short stretches.

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by PackPride17 on Jun 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He could be a second liner. He is similar to Justin Williams in one he can bring, the question is can he score like that.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tlusty and Scoring

  For Tlusty the key is can he relax on his shot and put the puck in the back of the net. It’s a confidence issue and not a talent issue. Tlusty works to get good shots; but like many young players, he tends to rush himself or hesitate a slight degree and then give the defense time to catch up. It’s a very fine line to be in zone.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tlusty's Defensive Play

   I disagree with your observation. Tlusty has a well-deserved reputation, in my opinion at least, for being a very effective and intelligent forward on defense. He is fast, big (209 lbs), and has great hockey sense. He was sent back to Albany to work on finishing on offense.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doug, outside of Harrison can you see any flaws in any of the Canes prospects?

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skinner play next year? Come on. The laminate on his DL is still hot and there be as good if not better prospects waiting for training camp.

Oh wait, or are you sub scribing to the cretin school of thought that JR knows best and will pick the team without a camp……just like last year……that set up the record streak of losses.

HM, look at your second line. Why didn’t that go down last year?

3rd line Boychuck or Cole? Come on, Cole is an anchor, his “vet status” means nothing if he don’t produce, so third line duties seem rather contradictory.

Start with firing the garbage. I notice HM didn’t mention Rod or Ray. Theres a good start, add Cole. Why isn’t this done?

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by Paladin6 on Jun 27, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL! Second verse, same as the first.

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The truth is cinsistnt ain’t it?

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by Paladin6 on Jun 27, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

very cinsistnt

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

snicker

"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."

by Cyn4Canes on Jun 27, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m reminded more of the essential need to keep repeating the lie in order to ever have it be perceived as the truth.

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only a democrat would say that.

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by Paladin6 on Jun 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that makes you an ass, then.

You seem to subscribe to the theory extensively.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was simply talking about the symbol for Democrats.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I get the double meaning. We’re not going to go down this road.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Matsumoto is probably an NHL player.

The only thing is that he’s got a top-six game without true top-six ability. He’ll have to focus on little things so he can be a checking/energy guy who can score, rather than just a scorer.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guys who are signed … so for the most part the AHLers.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that some Rangers fans are rather upset that Sather dealt Sanguinetti. Many of them really like him, but I guess he was expendable because he was stuck behind their depth at the blue-line. There’s really no depth for him to be stuck behind here in Carolina, so I anticipate that he’ll play a big role for us next year. The Canes are D-line deficient so I’m happy JR addressed the situation to a certain extent. We all know he needed to get something done there.

I’m pleased that JR was able to turn some 2nd round or later draft picks into some 1st round talent (Sanguinetti, Nash). That’s some creative dealing there. The Canes traded the pick they got in the Corvo trade (2nd round, 2011) to help get Sanguinetti, so we basically got him (and Osala) for Corvo … not too bad IMO. Overall, I think the Canes had a pretty good weekend!

Now we wait until July 1 to see if the Canes buyout Brindy and Samsonov; that will be interesting.

by DesertCaniac on Jun 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

...is another team's treasure.

That is some quality GM’ing to turn later round picks into other org’s stalled first-rounders, especially when they’re targeted as acquisitions.

So, Sanguinetti becomes the 2006 first round draft pick we never had, having traded it to St. Louis (along with several other pieces) for Doug Weight (it became Patrik Berglund for the curious). Our top draft pick from 2006, second-rounder Jamie McBain will join him on this season’s blue line corps.

And, Nash is added to our 2007 prize first-rounder, Brandon Sutter, for a nice wave of forward talent from that draft year, which also includes Drayson Bowman unexpectedly falling to us in the third round.

Nice going, JR.

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Tlusty was also a 2006 1st rounder. I think he fits your narrative quite well.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slight difference, in that JR slid a first-rounder in Time by exchanging our 2009 first-rounder for Toronto’s 2006 first-rounder, but it worked for both parties. It did help us fill that missing talent infusion from the 2006 draft.

We activated an asset sooner instead of later when the injury bug was biting, and Toronto freed up salary for some roster moves by taking on a longer-range project.

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

About Bowman- could someone care to explain why he dropped so far? From what i have seen of him, he is one of our more natural goal scorers.

by SouthernHockeyNutter on Jun 27, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bowman and the Hurricanes Organization

   The Hurricanes organization is very impressed with Bowman. Ron Francis in particular has been quoted as having very glowing things to saw about Bowman. It is also pretty unusual for a rookie to come in late in the season, as did Bowman, and to score two goals in one game (the Tampa Bay game). It might take Bowman another year to get his speed up to where it needs to be. Still, my prediction is that the talent level is so high at forward that at the trade deadline the Hurricanes will trade Kostopoulos, Cole, and LaRose because the young talent is just too good to keep off the ice.

   Additionally, because the talent level is so high, the Canes, I think, are going to run essentially a top line as a scoring line and three second lines that mix and match; but everybody gets their minutes. All the forwards forecheck and backcheck, so all can play on lines two, three, or four; and many can play on lines one through four. In short, I think Bowman will be a full-time Hurricanes no later than shortly after the trade deadline.

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only problem with that idea...

Is that you’re kind of at a loss when you’re trying to match up a line against the other team’s #1. Sutter’s certainly got a role as a defensive stopper, but who plays on his wings for those kind of shutdown situations?

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shut Down Lines

Maurice has repeatedly said that he wants a second line that can shut down the other team’s best line and still score. Lines that he used as a second line shutdown line included, Jokinen/Sutter/Cole; LaRose/Sutter/Cole; LaRose/Sutter/Ruutu. I also think you will see shutdown lines that include: Jokinen/Sutter/Ruutu; Tlusty/Sutter/Ruutu; Boychuk/Sutter/Cole; Boychuk/Sutter/Tlusty; Boychuk/Sutter/Ruutu;

by abramsdoug on Jun 27, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

To answer the "why he dropped so far?" question

He only really “dropped” on the Canes board to the third round. The Canes were high on him, but not everyone else was, hence his availability in the third, much to their professed surprise.

His 2007 draft season (‘06-’07) was decent, but not spectacular. (24-19-43) in 61 games with the Windsor Spitfires (WHL), with only 34 points in 72 games during his rookie season.

But, the year after we drafted him, he exploded and Canes management started grinning. (42-40-82) in 66 games during the regular season, and (11-9-20) in 21 playoff games.

Team won the WHL title and moved onward to the Memorial Cup, where the champs of all three Canadian minor leagues meet.

Hat trick in the opening game. Scored in all four games as the Chiefs went undefeated to win the Memorial Cup title.

You just cannot buy experience like that. Canes signed him to a contract as soon as that season ended.

by Elsker on Jun 27, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda

Including the trades, the Canes had a pretty decent draft. It would have been even more interesting is Ray would have taken that trade last year. We could have added Tuebert and another pick (1st or 2nd?) to that mix.

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by PackPride17 on Jun 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Not only does any one move this weekend matter as much in comparison, but I’d say the whole weekend was of less value in the short term than buying out Brindy.

 Some good kids to be sure, lot’s of potential. Though I’d also state there ain’t as much as we have bottle necked in the pipes right now. The 700 pound gorilla right now is the roster spot taken by that selfish piece of rat dung Rod.

None, nary a one, not a dammy, ain’t gonna happen that any of these guys play in the NHL next year. So while one can take a good toke off the PR BS bong JR is enjoying, the bottom line is JR ain’t done squat for the team in the area of next year.

This is so much like last year it’s disgusting. The org. is flat out not adressing the immediate issues, nor are they looking to the future. They are “working the draft”.

BFD. How about putting a team together? Maybe work a deal here and there. Ain’t JR the annointed one that can work miracles? He had a chance to double up in the first round and got bitch slapped. This org. did nothing above average this draft and by taking no other actions dropped to an F.

As a friend says “come on ’Canes”!!!!

Again they are looking to a worthless vet. core. They have a minimal blue line and an untried and thnks to the coachiong choice an tested forward core.

A whole year and they have done nothing but set a record for a losing streak. They are exactly where they were a year ago, sans a ton of lossesd and another year not making the PO’s.

Come on people, big picture. Demand some frickin’ results. This draft means nothing for years. This team ain’t got that long in Raleigh if they don’t vomit some results.

A-totaly disgusted with the offseason BS again. Morons didn’t know what they had last year and this year can’t shed the garbage they have.

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by Paladin6 on Jun 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Always a ray of sunshine. Ha! (sorry, but your hyperbole makes it hard to take you seriously)

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

But your repeated use of well-organized short paragraphs tell me there’s hope. One season at a time.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey if you can’t take the cold hard clang of truth no matter what form, get a new sport.

This org. sucks, has sucked since the Cup and continues down a path of suckism.

Take me serious or not, when this team get’s sold and all the Caniacs realise there isn’t any other eral sport in the area, badda boom.

Sniff the coffee or roses. The idiots are not tackling the hard issues, they again are seeming like they have a plan and know something.

I trusted last year. This year, no way. Do something substantive, or get the hell into the unemployment line. JR is a cretin and reckless. He destroyed last year and without any true “move” he will accomplish failure once again.

Screw paragraphs, they are over rated, just like JR.

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by Paladin6 on Jun 27, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone pour this guy a drink….and get him a smoke too. Wake up on the wrong side of the bed today pal?

by TylerA7707 on Jun 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've never trusted in your life.

I’ve never see you praise any move the team has ever made.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s cause your an idiot. I have praised Sutter from his first second on the ice. Francis is a God send as a development guy, not a coach. No team has more room or potential to grow in their local area. Prolly ain’t a team in the league has the call ups and potential prospects the Canes have.

 Eat dung moron. I love the good moves and respect the tries. It’s the omniscient crap JR pulled last year at this time that soured me.

I sure didn’t miss you. I guess there has to be a cloud over every parade.

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by Paladin6 on Jun 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely understand why you are pretty cynical right now, but I really couldn’t start complaining until the cap max came out. I don’t know too much about the players that we drafted, but am pretty shocked that we didn’t move back into the first round, and on top of it, seemed to draft skinner a little earlier than we should have. Probably could have moved back, still grabbed him, and aquired another pick somewhere high.

Brindy absolutely needs to go. We need his cap money now more than ever. And on top of it, we need top prospects that can move into the NHL on their cheap entry level contracts.

Who knows what JR is doing, but generally, I do think he is a fantastic GM and hope that he has some rhyme and reason to his choices, or maybe he is taking direction from my current best friend PK.

by PittsburghCaniac on Jun 27, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brind’Amour costs $3 million to play and $2 million to buy out and $500K to replace with Dwyer. There isn’t a huge cost savings in replacing Brindy, he brings more to the table IMO than Dwyer, Brindy is a good insurance in case anyone gets injured, buying him out could sour the well between player and organization, and letting Brindy play means all buyouts are cleared from the books this year (unless Samsonov is bought out). I think you get quite a bit for the additional $500k.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brind'Amour and the Buy Out

  I couldn’t possibly disagree more. Brind’Amour’s play has been awful for two years. It is a distraction and his poor skating kills any line upon which he plays. At best Brind’Amour ought to be a healthy scratch. The idea of sinking two other players just so the Hurricanes can play homage to a once great player seems entirely inane to me. If Brind’Amour needs emotionally and psychologically to take a victory lap around the NHL, at minimum healthy scratch him. In a rebuilding year having a slow, non-physical, emotionally drained $3 million a year fourth line center seems to me to be nonsense.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just what to you see Brind’Amour bringing to the table? Please name any other team that has any player with two straight comparably disastrous years who is 40 years old and is being paid $3 million a year to unleash his fail on a team?

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

You keep repeating this question, but it’s moot.

We don’t have an option of “hmmm, what should we pay this player?” The contract amount is from the post-Cup restructuring of money already owed to him. We simply are carrying a balance on our credit card.

So, since the money is due regardless, the question becomes exactly as C-Leaguer has posed it. Do you get more utility and other intangibles from skating Brind’Amour for $500K more than your alternate option (assuming a minimum pay player is that option).

What does he bring to the table? For one, we have no one that can win faceoffs in critical situations like he can. Plus, he’s more dependable in critical penalty kill and injury replacement duty than a newby.

Not saying do it. But your outright dismissal of the concept has flaws.

by Elsker on Jun 28, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brind'Amour in Penalty Kills and Injury Replacement Versus Dwyer

   I agree that Brind’Amour has been better at crucial faceoffs. I totally disagree that he is dependable in penalty kills. To the contrary, there is a reason he is so often on the ice when the other team scores. He is slow on his feet and he is slow in his reactions. He also no longer has the fire in the belly and it shows almost every shift. Dwyer has been far more dependable in both zones; and center is not Dwyer’s best NHL position. My observation is that Brind’Amour drags down anybody on his line because his teammates like and respect him and they try to cover for his flaws. It’s a distraction that nobody needs at this point; and all in all it puts unfair pressure on the young kids to chose between loyalty to a former Captain and sticking to the game plan of positional awareness.

   Brind’Amour’s lack of speed from his knee injuries, as well as his lack of intensity on the ice, is at heart why he suddenly became a minus 23 and a minus 29 forward. Nobody else had the same deterioration of their plus/minus when playing with other centers.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doug, you do understand that players aren’t given a minus when a goal is scored by the other team while on a powerplay. +/- has nothing to do with the powerplay.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I understand that completely. It is one important reason why I wonder whether people who are so avid fans of Brind’Amour have gone back to actually watch the games again. Brind’Amour’s poor work on penalty kills do not show up. Brind’Amour’s untimely penalties are not included in the atrocious plus minus for Brind’Amour. Brind’Amour’s brick hands don’t show up on statistics when great passes clank off his stick. Brind’Amour’s slowness does show up in the goals that occur when he is on the ice for very, very short stints.

  For those reasons, I really would appreciate somebody going back to games and citing me instances where you suggest any NHL coach would prefer Brind’Amour on the ice rather than Dwyer. Brind’Amour is a huge liability to the team and has been for two years. The fact that on rare occasion he makes a good play does not justify his presence on the ice.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re-read Cory’s post regarding Brind’Amour’s PK stats. Your conclusions don’t match the stats.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you go back to look at any games to see Brind’Amour play where you were watching him to see how he played? If so, which games so I can go back to check to see if I agree or disagree.

  It is painfully obvious watching the videos that Brind’Amour is the worst player on the ice. No amount of statistical analysis can explain away why he was the worst Hurricane and one of the worst in the NHL for plus minus in 2008-2009 and then again in 2009-2010. No amount of rationalization can explain away why he suddenly went from the second line to the third and then fourth line except that his entire game has deteriorated.

  If Cole played this poorly would you be defending him?

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all watched him all year. Going back and watching again doesn’t change anything. If you go back looking for negatives, you’ll find negatives. no one’s saying he played well, but again you can’t pin an entire team’s failings on one guy.

Brind’Amour had 36 PIMs. You act like every night he was in the box and a goal was scored b/c of it. I looked it up. He had 18 minors and was in the box when two goals were scored last year. One other goal was scored seconds after his penalty ended, so we’ll pin that one him too. So three goals.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cory, I am absolutely not pinning the entire fail of 2009-2010 on Brind’Amour. I am not looking with a predisposition either to criticize or praise Brind’Amour. What I am doing is trying to analyze as an opposing team’s scout might the performance of each player.

  It is entirely different to watch a game holistically and then to go back and dissect the game. Trying to make generalizations about the quality of any single player without taking the time to watch them when things don’t fall apart or don’t wind up being goals is really much more informative than watching a game and getting an impression.

  You have an impression of the quality of Brind’Amour’s play. I think you would be far closer to me in my analysis if you randomly picked out ten games to watch Brind’Amour.

   That approach is not necessarily negative for a player. I came away impressed with LaRose when my impressions were far less favorable. Kostopoulos on that analysis seldom made a critical error. It’s time consuming to be certain, but really wouldn’t you agree more information is helpful rather than harmful?

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m also not making statements about how he’s always in the box and the other team always scores when he’s in there. I watched enough during the season to realize what he didn’t do well (and the few things he did do well). I’m still on board for him retiring as being the best move, but it’s not worth harping on it as you do, IMO. We’re going to change any opinions in the org here, and it’s my opinion that if he and the org decide to go one more year together that it doesn’t mean the death of the 2010-11 season. He can still serve a role, IMO.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brind'Amour in 2010-2011

Even Brind’Amour at his worst can’t destroy the Hurricanes season; but he can again be a substantial hurdle to the team’s success on the ice. I did not say Brind’Amour was always in the penalty box. I did observe that Brind’Amour even on the fourth line took an unusual number of hooking, tripping, and interference penalties. I did observe that when a disproportionate number of goals were scored while he was on the ice and that he was disproportionately the person whose misplay aided the other team in scoring. I observed that the opposing team’s announcers commented on the demise of Brind’Amour’s game.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

And why wouldn't they?

It’s easy for them to pick out the negatives in his game…because they’re looking for them. Sports announcers for regional coverage are employed by the team they work for. There’s bias all over the place.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 29, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would the announcers suddenly pick out Brind’Amour? People were not looking to undermine Brind’Amour. Why would they? He is a potential hall of fame player. He is a model of decency and is what is best about the NHL. There is a reason that Jim Rutherford had to reluctantly buy out Brind’Amour. Both Jim Rutherford and Brind’Amour handled the situation with grace and dignity. They are both gentlemen and honorable men; and the matter should now be closed, I think. Brind’Amour retired. He is entitled to all our gratitude for what he did for the organization. His decision to retire was appropriate as was the decision to buy him out.

by abramsdoug on Jul 3, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not...

However, their importance to the team and the locker room is wildly different. Brind’Amour is a team leader and all his teammates love him. Cole isn’t that.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teammates and Cole

I can’t imagine how you can say Cole is not a leader in the locker room. I have heard quite differently.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard players respect him for coming back from his injuries...

But I haven’t heard he’s ever a fiery bench presence like Rod can be.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have the probelm of having Brind’amour on the ice after the face-off is won or lost. The fact that he is -52 over the last two years indicates that Rod Brind’amour winning the face-off doesn’t help either Rod Brind’amour or the team very much. And hence you have seen Brind’amour routinely riding the pine down the stretch in close games. And he’s NOT dependable in PK situations. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Only a Brind’amour apologist stuck in 2006 could believe crap like this.

by Kahz on Jun 28, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brind’amour isn’t even worth league minimum. He should be PAYING the team for the destruction he has caused us over the past two years. That will likely continue next season if something isn’t done about him. Replacing him with a league minimum player is a HUGE benefit. Patrick Dwyer cannot win face-offs, but Patrick Dwyer can actually play hockey after the face-off is taken. Brind’amour cannot.

Don’t you get it? That Brind’amour isn’t just a good player that is overpaid. $500K would be a disastrous contract for him. It’s like having a goalie with a 5.00 GAA and .789SV% in net. Replacing him with any random AHL goalie would be a huge benefit. The same applies to Brind’amour.

by Kahz on Jun 28, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hated it when he destroyed the team’s trip to the Conference Finals. lol. Has he been bad? Of course. But you can’t pin last season on him when he was pretty much the same guy two years ago and the team went to the final four. Last season was a collective effort. The team won down the stretch with Rod in a role.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Furthermore, Rod was on the ice for just 11 PPGA last season, 14th on the team and sixth among forwards. Granted, he hasn’t been as much a PK contributor as in the past (7th on the team among forwards in SH TOI), but he can still be serviceable out there. Staal was on ice for 13 PPGA in just 58:21 of SH TOI. Brind’Amour’s PPGA/SH TOI is comparable to Kostopoulos, who had more SH TOI than any forward on the team (TK about one goal allowed per 7.3 minutes, Rod at one per 8 minutes).

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Quit confusing the Brindy haters with facts, Cory! :-D

by Elsker on Jun 28, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cory, seriously have you gone back to rewatch either the first ten games of the 2010-2011 season or the last ten games of the 2010-2011 season? His even strength defense is terrible to the point of being embarrassing. He was totally ineffective on the 5 on 3 power plays. Even as his TOI diminished, he still was consistently out of position. Please reference any game in the 2010-2011 season and the shifts where you think I should go watch to find something different than those conclusions?

  Brind’Amour often was not on the ice when power play goals were scored because even in the short amount of time he was on the ice, he was called for hooking or interference or tripping. If you are operating from statistics, how do you explain how in the world a top line player gets to be minus 23 in 2008-2009 and then minus 29 in 2009-2010? Brind’Amour certainly was not the only cause of the disaster of 2009-2010; but he was a strong contributor to the disaster.

   I think your recollection of the events with Brind’Amour might well be refreshed by watching some more videos at www.nhl.com.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doug, you keep using last year as a basis for judging what Brind’Amour will do this year. First, any one who has ever invested knows past performance is no basis for judging the future. However, if you want to keep it to sports and compare apples to apples, look at the end of last season when Brind’Amour was on the fourth line. His +/- was respectable at that point as were his one ice contributions. Comparing the first ten games of last season, when Brindy was second or third center, to what he will be next year, fourth line, is not a good comparison.

Again, I’m not saying he’s going to be an all-star, but the fact is it’s a $500k difference between playing Brindy or playing someone with a league minimum contract. You cannot disagree with that. That is a fact. Anyone who makes more than the league minimum will eat in to that cost savings.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Math for Brind'Amour Buy Out

It is absolutely true that one can’t guarantee the future performance of any athlete by reference to the past two years. It is equally true that one can’t predict that Brind’Amour will suddenly improve.

  I happen to think that saving $500,000 a year to let a young, motivated player gain experience is better than having a 40 year old, burned out player make a victory lap and drag down the team in the process. If I thought Brind’Amour would recharge his batteries and show the old fire for his last year, I would be less adamant that a buyout makes sense. Nothing I have read indicates any degree of acceptance of his responsibility for hurting the team for two years. Brind’Amour on the fourth line was actually worse statistically in terms of plus minus per minutes on the ice. His penalties also were as bad.

   In watching the games with the other team’s announcers on www.nhl.com they were far less gracious about Brind’Amour’s flaws than Trip and John. So what good comes of playing Brind’Amour? At best he is mediocre. He has no future with the team on the ice. He is deadly slow at best and has really slow hands and slow reactions. He is still very solid with face-offs but then he has to rush off the ice before the other team exploits his weaknesses. Kaberle was laughed out of town. Kaberle was once a very important part of the Hurricanes. Aaron Ward was similarly lambasted for horrid play. Why is Brind’Amour judged by such a different standard?

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not expecting Brind’Amour to suddenly improve. From the start of the season thru December Brindy was 22. That means in the last 42 games of the season he was only -7. This isn’t a huge improvement I’m predicting, just a continuance of his play. FWIW Dwyer was -2 over the same period, which isn’t that far off given the nature of the +/ stat.

As for games for young players, there will be plenty of them. Between 4 and 6 spaces will be open if Brindy stays. That’s 320 to 480 games. Figure in another 50 games for young players possible after the deadline and the team is up to between 400 and 500 games for young players. Adding 82 games to that isn’t nothing, but it’s also not like young players will have a difficulty finding NHL ice time this season.

The difference between Kaberle and Brindy is at least three-fold. One, there was the perception of significant upgrade at the position on a team that could compete when Frank was bought out. There is not significant talent upgrade. Two, Kaberle was bought out for salary cap reasons, there are no cap constraints for Brindy. Three, there was no expectation that Kaberle would work in the Canes front office while there is an expectation for Brind’Amour.

As for opposing announcers, they easily grasp on the +/- stat. When I say it is the most misleading stat I mean that.

Again, I’m not saying Brindy is great or will be great next season. But he’s not uncomparable to Dwyer. Factor up Dwyers stats (7 – 5 – 12) from his 58 GP to 82 and you get 10-7-17 which is pretty similar to Brind’Amours 9-10-19. Given what Brind’Amour can teach to the young kids, it would seem like you of all people would think the extra $500 k is worth it.

Perhaps you should stop looking at what Brindy was and look at what he is now. The Canes made that mistake early in the season, and everyone paid for it.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure why that’s struck through. It’s not supposed to be. Must have found the short hand for strikethrough by mistake.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the minus.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minus to minus +/- like this +/-?

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That didn’t work. this

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

HUzzah!!

Success. Or at least the cause of failure found.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think just a minus in front.

Like, Brindy was a million (or – a million -)

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to minuses on both sides. -this

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree totally that Brind’Amour has slow hands and reaction time. I’d argue that’s the one thing he has going for him. It’s just his legs getting him there.

There’s also this “bringing them down” theory you keep stating. If he was bringing down the team, why did the media nominate him for the Masterton and his teammates nominate him for the Clancy?

You were relentless in saying what a great “in the room” guy Whitney was and that he was so key to the psyche of the team, but Brind’Amour has been the driving force in the locker room since the lockout. He’s the guy who has called young players and invited them to stay with him for camps, organized the offseason workouts, graciously stepped aside for Staal, ect. We all know he’s probably the hardest working guy in hockey.

That’s why he’s measured to a different standard than Ward and Kaberle.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brind'Amour in the Locker Room

I can’t at all speak to the issue of Brind’Amour in the locker room. The kids obviously respect him and they all go out of their way to praise him. He has been his most animated on the bench explaining things to Boychuk, Bowman, and Tlusty. I do believe he is has a real presence in the locker room; and he works as hard as anybody in the NHL in the weight room.

  At this point in his career, I think it is time for the organization to turn the page and for Brind’Amour to move into the organization.

  In terms of the team’s play on the ice, in watching video after video it is clear that the entire flow of the game changes for the worse when Brind’Amour is on the ice. I disagree strongly about his hands from watching him. He is way behind the play and his hands can’t get the stick to the puck. I have heard discussions that he has vision issues; but whatever it is, his eye/hand coordination is not where it used to be.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's important to recognize where the choices lie in this discussion.

The organization has already offered Brind’Amour a spot as a player. They did so in offering him the contract he’s currently playing under. They also have the choice of offering him a position in the organization. What they cannot choose, however, is whether he chooses to accept that offer, either now (at the expense of playing), or later (at the expense of retiring or something else.) If they try and force him to stop playing now (which, again, is not their choice), they could well jeopardize their chance of getting him to accept the offer of working in the front office in the future (because, again, that’s his choice.)

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bit more math

Okay, so if Brind’Amour is bought out the team pays at least 2.5 million. If he plays they pay 3 million. If he retires they pay as little as 0.5 million. The best interest of the team is the Brindy retires. If he retires ten games in to the season the club is still to the good. The question is how long in to the season can Brindy play and the team still be to the good?

Let’s figure it out!

Let’s say:

2.5 million is our break even.
x is the percent of the season Brindy plays.
Y is the percent Dwyer or other $500 K player plays.
Let’s also say the question is either X or Y so that X + y = 100%.

That gives the following equation:

3 (X) + 0.5 (y) = 2.5

Substitute y = 1-x and you get:

3 (X) + 0.5 (1-x) = 2.5 and you can solve for X. In this case x = 0.8. This means that Brindy can play up to 80% of the games and the team is no worse off than if they buy him out. If he retires any time before 80% played the Canes are to the good.

80% of the games is a little over 65 games. 65 games should take the team to, or very very close to, the trade deadline. This means the team could potentially carry Brindy all the way to the deadline and trade him and still be to the good on salary. Who may want Brindy, I don’t know, but if Yelle can be traded then Brindy can be. The contract will be a little heavy, but by the deadline there should only be about 600K left, so not a complete deal breaker. Also saves the team the headache and PR hit of having to buy Brindy out.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you, generally...

But the past/future performance line doesn’t exactly work in this case. When it comes to professional athletes, there’s typically a bell curve line to their success. At his age, Brind’Amour is pretty clearly in the decline phase of his career. I don’t think he can’t be a decent player in a limited role, and he’s certainly worth the whopping half-million we’d save by buying him out, but we’re pretty unlikely to see ’06, ’07, or even ’08 Rod for a full season.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. I think he’s on to that tail section though where his performance will only drop off so much. Part of that is because there is only so much farther down it can go. I still think he can work as a fourth line penalty killer type who wins faceoffs. If it was the NFL he’d be released or have his contract re-structured, but that isn’t an option in the NHL.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

oohhh time travel :0)

"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."

by Cyn4Canes on Jun 28, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although being on the ice on the PK is an interesting statistic and helpful. The bigger question is what role did he actually play when he was on the ice on a penalty kill in contributing to the goal? That analysis requires actually looking at the video? Another question is for the plus minus statistic how many times did he contribute to causing a goal by the opposing team? Again, to be fair to Brind’Amour it requires putting ones eyes on the video of the games.

  In my view, after watching game after game, Brind’Amour’s poor positioning and lack of speed and quickness was a highly disproportionate factor in the goals scored against the Hurricanes. Similarly, Brind’Amour shanked open net shots or excellent passes a disproportionate share of the time.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cory, don’t forget to add that Staal (not Brindy) was the center of Mo’s choice during 5 on 3 penalty kills. That is a big disadvantage when looking at the numbers.

Sorry, I’ve got to try and stick up for my boy Staal. :)

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by PackPride17 on Jun 28, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is just one of the reasons why the best way to determine how well or poorly a player did is to watch and re-watch videos. Too much is happening to take as much in at one viewing, and particularly live, to make a fair assessment. Statistics are an aid to understanding; but taking the time to assess after the fact is really a critical part of the process.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not faulting Staal … I’m just saying Rod’s numbers aren’t that outlandish, and certainly his penalties weren’t as much of a problem as Doug is saying. FWIW, the Canes as a team allowed 5 5-on-3 goals last year

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kahz, you do realize that Brind’Amour had the highest faceoff winning percentage of anyone who took more than 2 faceoffs? Check it here. Next closest regular was Jussi who was a 7.5% drop.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which brings up a very good point. Our team sucks at faceoffs, worst of all Staal sucks HARD at faceoffs. But keeping one dinosaur around the take all of the key faceoffs is not the answer. Brind’Amour destroys whatever 2 wings he plays with, it would be horribly detrimental for the young kids to be forced to play 1/4 normal NHL speed on a line with old man Brind’Amour.

Let’s face it, Brind’Amour wouldn’t even make an AHL team if he tried out for one. He is absolutely awful. He will continue to be the running joke of the NHL next year and continue to tarnish his HoF career.

by JussiJuice on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if he’s on the 4th line he likely won’t be playing with young kids. My guess for the fourth line if Brindy with TKO and LaRose. Young players generally shouldn’t be on the fourth line as they’re better served with more minutes in the AHL. The exception of course is the cup of coffee call up, but let’s not get to hung up on minute points.

Many team have guys that just win face offs and then get off the ice. Yannic Perrault stuck around the league for years doing just that. It’s not unheard of.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are forgetting who our coach is.

by JussiJuice on Jun 28, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

D’oh!!! My bad. 4th line getting five minutes a night will be Skinner, Dalpe, and Boychuk.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume that was a joke… Although it sounds like something Maurice would really actually do.

The last part of the season everyone said Brind’Amour was centering the 4th line, however if you look at the Ice time statistics the with Boychuk, Dwyer, Bowman, etc. was consistently getting less ice time than Brindi’s. Really, it’s pretty sad to go back and look at TOI. I think Mo is just an awful coach to put young developing players with.

by JussiJuice on Jun 28, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a coaching philosophy

  I was frustrated watching the games both live and on video because I would see Boychuk, Dwyer, and Bowman playing great and then getting very few minutes. I think it is a coaching philosophy by the Canes organization to bring their prospect along very slowly. It seemed to work well with Sutter. Hopefully, Boychuk, Dwyer, Bowman, and Tlusty will benefit from their NHL experience and will come to camp able to prove they deserve far more minutes.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree wholeheartedly.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way to move down for Skinner.

If you look at what happened behind us, there were three more forwards picked. Every one of those teams could have easily preferred Skinner. As to moving back into the first, we offered all three #2s…and got turned down. Would you have wanted to pay more?

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 28, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more I reflect on this draft the more I think that may be true. It would appear as if a lot of teams wanted talent on offense regardless of BPA and it also looks like the price to move was extreme. The kings had to give up 59 just to jump from 19 to 15. As a contrast to that Carolina, IIRC, gave up #59 in 2004 to move up from #8 to #4. It would seem as if the prices were very high and that Skinner could very well have been taken by whoever traded up to #8.

I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.

by C-Leaguer on Jun 28, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

One (wo)man's "well organized short paragraps..."

Are evidence of an inability to put together rational, coherent thoughts to me.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What "chance to double up" are you referring to?

He offered three seconds to move up. And he was turned down! On multiple occasions! Hell, you’d have probably bitched we paid too much if that deal went through. As to players playing in the NHL next year, Sanguinetti will, and Matsumoto well could.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanguinetti will play some next year for sure, if not the entire season.

by Cory Lavalette on Jun 28, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

video game

this may sound ridiculous but all the of the aquisition names i recognized from the nhl 10 game,
this is because im always looking for players that have high potential, cause they grow faster.
and cant be a coincidence that the game happened to regard all these names as High potential,
 they have to get that info from somewhere…..
i know this is dorky but, still its interesting.

by chrisj on Jun 27, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

They do get that info from somewhere.

Their draft status. Plenty of guys never reach that potential in real life, though.

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by MichaelProcton on Jun 27, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Hurricanes have put up a bunch of short videos done in LA after the draft wrapped up yesterday (and one Friday w/Skinner).

Couple with Rutherford, a bunch with Tony MacDonald (senior scout), then talking to the picks themselves. Mostly less than 2 mins. Worth checking out.

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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 27, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Starting roster this year..

It seems to me it’s way too early to even hazard a guess who plays here, or in Charlotte! The list of LOCKS has to be pretty small. Pits, Mcbad, Timmy on D. Staal, Jussi, Sutts, Rutts, Rosy, Tko at F!! Everbody else has to survive competition at camp, or possible trade/ buyout. If nothing else it s/b an interesting camp scenario, eh?!!

by randycane on Jun 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting Article on Sanguinetti and Brind'Amour

http://tinyurl.com/2f8kqzj

“So, either the Rangers made a mistake in drafting Sanguinetti as high as they did, or they gave up too early on the youngster and Carolina has stolen a blue-chip prospect for very little in return.

Given Carolina GM Jim Rutherford’s hockey acumen and Sather’s history of mismanagement in New York, we suggest Carolina wins out here."

This article also discusses the Brind’Amour situation.

by abramsdoug on Jun 28, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Sangs trade ++

This trade was a no-brainer. He’s a big young fast skater (22), who can move the puck. If he has any defensive deficiencies, they can be corrected. I see a good chance he fits into the 4th or 5th slot, if not this year, then next!!

by randycane on Jun 28, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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