A Third Look at Bobby Sanguinetti, Riley Nash, and Jonathan Matsumoto
by Bob Wage on Jun 29, 2010 1:07 AM EDT
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PrintOne of the great things about working in a network of blogs like SB Nation is that you can easily reach out to other writers who have a close working knowledge of the teams they cover and ask them for their opinions about players you might not be very familiar with.
Regarding a couple of the following players, I didn't even have to reach out. The bloggers were thoughtful enough to email me their unsolicited view of the players who were just traded from their clubs.
I thought Canes Country readers would be interested in what they had to say.
First we will check out some feedback from Jim of the Blueshirt Banter as he offered his opinion about Bobby Sanguinetti, the defenseman just acquired from the New York Rangers.
Bobby showed up to training camp out of shape. (Summer vacation, Jersey kid, Jersey shore...stuff happens) and Torts was upset. And once you get on Tort's bad side, it's hard to get off of it. But one bad camp should not define a career and the kid has a ton of talent and could really be a keeper for you guys. When the Rangers drafted him, he was looked upon as a potential savior... local kid, played for team USA in junior championships, first round pick, what could be better? But when he turned out not to be a superstar immediately, many fans turned on him. Of course it takes longer for defensemen to develop but some fans were impatient. That's why some of the negative backlash about him now.
Anyway, I think the kid could play for the Canes next season. Plus he has a previous relationship with McBain, they both played on one of the USA Junior teams. Who knows, they could be something special together.
In the meantime, we get to keep watching Wade Redden.
Next up is Derek from Copper and Blue as he offers information about Riley Nash.
First, check out this indepth analysis of his progress written back in February. He has had some ups and downs in college, but most seem to think he is still a good prospect.
This paragraph was from the Oilers website:
"He got off to a little bit of a slow start. It’s starting to wear on him a little bit. He’s going to sign a pro contract which wears on kids. Over the last three to four weeks he’s picked his game up. He’s an intelligent player. He’s smart, he’s got great hands, and he does all those little things well... We’ll talk to him, he’s well aware of what our thoughts are and where he should be. As we get to the end of the year when we have our organizational meetings, we’ll sit down and figure it out. Maybe it’s time to take him out and bite the bullet a little bit with him or should we just let him go for his fourth year next year with Cornell. Overall, he’s starting to play a lot better now."
This is what Derek had to say yesterday:
He's a smart kid. Really smart kid. And the Oilers hated the fact he wouldn't leave Cornell to go to the AHL. They started slamming him in the press, claiming that he wasn't developing, he wasn't playing enough hockey, he wasn't getting enough exposure...
I think he's going to be a very good #2 center, especially if the team he ends up on has a tough-minutes center.
Bottom line, the Oilers were upset he stayed in college and wanted him to sign a pro contract. For whatever reason he did not. Now the Canes will see what they can do with him.
Another interesting trade acquisition during the weekend that we have not talked much about is Jonathan Matsumoto, from the Flyers organization. Matsumoto was a consistent scorer in the AHL and netted 30 goals last season and 89 goals during the past three, but he never got a sniff of the NHL.
The Canes acquired him at such a cheap price, (7th rounder), because he will be a free agent on July 1 and he needs a contract. Hopefully, he sees some benefit in giving the Hurricanes organization a try and will sign a deal quickly.
Travis, from Broad Street Hockey had this to say:
Matsumoto had a pretty rough go of things in the Flyers organization. For three seasons, he was consistently one of the best, if not the best, players on the Phantoms, but he never once got the call to join the big club, whether it be as a black ace in the playoffs or as an injury call-up during the regular season. He certainly deserved it over several of the other guys who did get chances, but it appeared the Flyers organization had soured on him. Why? Who knows, really, but that appeared to be the case. Either way, he never really had a true chance here anyway, as the NHL roster is completely stacked at center.
In any event, I'm sure he's happy to get out of the organization and he's hoping he'll finally get his chance. His loss hurts the Phantoms next season, but he'll fit in well in Charlotte, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him playing with the Hurricanes at some point. He has a ton of skill.
Many thanks to Jim, Derek, and Travis for their input.
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Wow, pretty good endorsements from their former clubs bloggers.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 29, 2010 3:45 AM EDT reply actions
I would agree
and if any team faults a prospect for protecting their future After Hockey wasn’t & isn’t worth playing for…and i am glad we got all three of them as I can see where Sanguinetti & Matsumoto making and inpack right away…Great Job Bob !! and there is just 41 hours and 19 mins left until Free Agency starts too !!
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Tyler Stahl
Had a friend email me who goes to a lot junior games in the Vancouver area (Chilliwack, Surrey, Vancouver, Burnaby, etc.) who’s seen Stahl a number times say that while he doesn’t have the best hockey sense at times he’s probably one of the best open-ice hitters in the CHL. Sounds encouraging.
I am really anxious to see Sanguinetti play. I expect him to be really motivated at the start of camp based on the comments we have heard about him being out of shape last year and to prove to the Rangers they made an error not playing him.
With the speculation some are making about acquiring Marc Staal could we be possibly the first team ever to have all players with the last name pronounced the same? I think I could become the announcer without worrying if I make a mistake announcing the correct player: Staal passes to Stahl but Stahl turns the puck over, but Staal is there to defend against an odd man rush and gains control of the puck who then passes it back to Staal, however, he hits a bad spot on the ice and any momentum we had has been stalled.
Is it October yet?
the speculation you’re hearing is a pipe-dream, the Rags won’t let him go. Also, we probably won’t see Stahl for a couple of years if at all.
Yes, it is a pipe dream like the Hurricanes ever getting Pitkanen, or Gleason, or Ruutu because they are all first round draft choices and no GM with a brain would trade team.
But the Rangers love Staal. The others you mention had injury and chemistry problems. I’ve seen repeatedly where Marc Staal is considered a cornerstone of the NYR future. But since we’re talking Sather, all bets are off in this case.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually – not sure about Gleason. I think that was just JackJohnson envy.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Rangers Love Staal and Sather is Declaring War on Bobby Orr and Him
Sather is playing hardball with Marc Staal and M. Staal’s agent, Bobby Orr. It is insane; but then again Sather is a knave. Sather says that he and Bobby Orr are chasms apart in their negotiation and that “he has all the leverage.” It’s a bad scene at the moment. Those kinds of strong arm tactics usually backfire.
I think Marc Staal could be had for a price, the media war Sather has put out against him combined with the possibility of an offer sheet makes trading Marc a very good possibility.
As for paying him $4 million a year for 4 years, I think the Canes should do it. Having multiple Staals on the team is a win-win, it will put butts in the seats. I can’t think of any other player that cheap the Canes could bring in (except maybe for Jordan Staal) that would create more buzz and excitement. This is easy marketing. It would likely cost us (either a 1st in 2011 or a player like Ruutu or Pitkanen), but in the end I think it may be worth it.
For the most part I agree, especially the marketing standpoint, but I don’t see how it equates to on-ice success or why it has to be M. Staal. Because of their age diff. Marc and Eric have they really played together competively? They’re almost 3 years apart which puts them a year off in every age group (peewee, bantaam, and midget).
That was my point. When Sather goes to war with a player, the player usually winds up leaving via trade or an offer sheet. An offer sheet on Marc Staal really makes sense.
An offer sheet on Marc Staal really makes sense.
You, who loves our prospects and draft picks dearly, do understand that there are compensatory draft picks in play here when offer sheets are extended.
For the $3.9M-$5.2M level player, it’s a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd…same year and they must all be our draft picks, not ones acquired from others.
That’s a pretty big hit on talent acquisition.
Ask Toronto.
I’m very concerned about giving up next years first round pick for a defensive defenseman. I like Marc Staal a lot, and would be happy if he were part of the Canes, but I wouldn’t give up that first rounder next year for anything other than a center and only a top flight one. When I look at Harrison on the second pair, a third pair of Sanguinetti and Babchuk and a third and fourth center of Dwyer and Matsumoto in some order I’m really worried that our first next season might be very high. The Canes get a top flight center (like Seguin, even though it won’t be him) then it’s worth it as I think in that situation all your doing is collecting on the pick sooner rather than later and another center will make the team more potent and hopefully take them out of that top five pick range.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
That would be assuming we suck enough (consistently) next year to obtain a top-5 Draft pick and take someone that could actually become an impact player. I think Marc Staal is worth far more than anything outside a top-3 Draft pick.
In all likelihood we are never going to get a guy like Seguin. Finishing bottom-2 in the NHL is hard, especially with a team like ours who refuses to quit at the end of the year while many teams do (reference last year).
As much as I like Marc Staal I don’t think he’s a game changer. He’s very solid, but I don’t see a huge difference between Tim Gleason and Marc Staal. I honestly think that if Marc had a different name and wasn’t on the Rangers there wouldn’t be this same sort of thinking about him. Again, not saying he isn’t very good, just saying he isn’t a game changer. He may end up being one, who knows. Youth is still very much on his side.
As it stands right now I’m figuring the Canes finish in the bottom ten in the league nest season. Now, as much as I think that the Canes should have went with Fowler over Skinner, I still think Skinner is a very good player and an offensive threat that can be a legitimate first liner and someone to play with Staal. When I think of giving up a similar player for Marx Staal, I just can’t get behind that. I think Skinner can be a difference maker and the chance to get another next year would be worth more to me as a GM than Marc.
Now, if it was Joni for Marc, I’d do that because I think there will be difficulty in keeping Joni on the team next year. The draft pick seems too much to give up though.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
agreed, it just doesn’t make sense we would go that route. With our budget situation, the guys that are coming back it’s too big a risk. Since the season hasn’t started and we can only look at what’s on paper we look a lot like a bottom 5 – 10 team, so next years pick will be important, which is why JR will do nothing.
Plus, that pick could be augmented with deadline day trades that could include Joni, Jussi, Samsonov, and to a much lesser extent Brindy.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Remember this: Sather is the one who signed or obtained Brashear so he’s proved that he’s not the brightest crayon in the box. He may just be dumb enough to let Staal go.
by DesertCaniac on Jun 29, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That brings up a very good point though, we didn’t deal any of OUR Draft picks this year. Coincidence? Maybe.
Probably.
Ours were usually higher in the round than the ones we gave up. There’s a reason we traded next year’s #2 from WAS to the Rangers instead of our own.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll ask again...
Why do you think a mid-level FA acquisition would sell more tickets?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously? Staal’s looking for somewhere around 4 years at $4mil/year. That doesn’t fit in very well with our budget restraints. Plus, the Rags aren’t going to let him go for nothing, so in the unlikely event we do get him we’ll have to give up a lot and it will most likely be a roster defensement given the Rags lack of NHL ready defensemen. so that would mean either Gleason, Pitkanen, or McBain + something else. For M.Staal, I’d be willing to part with Pitkanen (given his contract situation) and McBain + something else; I just don’t see it happening. I understand the negotions aren’t going well between Sather and Orr so it is possible Staal plays somewhere else next I just don’t see JR stepping up to grab him.
It’s hard to predict for certain. On the other hand, the Hurricanes have had their eyes on Marc Staal and Jordan Staal for a long time. The budget is self-imposed; and the reason is the need to attract investors. One way to attract buyers is to get an elite defenseman who is a marketer’s dream. The Hurricanes can put an offer sheet out on M. Staal and that requires the Hurricanes to give up draft choices, not players. It is a long shot; but it is far away from being only a pipe dream.
I’d say it’s close: Wiki Def: A pipe dream is a fantastic hope or plan that is generally regarded as being nearly impossible to achieve.
So all this means my pipe dream to become an annoucer is doomed, too?
Is it October yet?
by hotchipsnsalsa on Jun 29, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Staal is an elite defenseman?
Since when?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey AD
you aren’t letting this Marc Staal thing go huh ??/ hehehe…now I really don’t blame you for wanting to have him…as i too would love to see him here…but I am being realistic…even if JR did raise the self imposed budget…whiteny,samsonov,rod and a few others would have to gone before JR could even look at th guy…and i do think the 4mill for 4 years is a realistic figure he could or might get …but heck this is Hockey…one never rally knows do we ? have a good & safe day sir…
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Personally I would not give up McBain for Marc Staal. They play two significantly different styles and if we are to lose Pits next off-season, we really won’t have any offensive defenseman other than the recently acquired Sanguinetti. Just my personal stance, but I think trading Pitkanen would be smarter given what he will likely demand in free agency, but then again if we are willing to pay Staal what he is asking for, it isn’t a stretch to pay Pitkanen given the salaries coming off the books next year.
I’d agree with that, if Pitkanen has a good season he’s going to demand between $5-7 mil next year which means we’ll probably lose him, so why not get something for him now. I still think it’s unlikely the Rags would make that deal or have any interest in moving Staal. Sather would be crazy to let Staal go, he’d have to bring someone back similar in age and ability – kind of a short-list.
I dunno, I think Pits is an elite “PMD”. Everyone craves a pmd, especially an elite one. I think Pits is a cornerstone to this organization along with Gleason, Staal, and Ward. I just dont think he gets marketed as such because they know he doesnt like a lot of attention. I truly believe the Canes will pay him.
as things stand now…yes i would guess that Pits is brought back and paid well, for hes earned it.
HOWEVER, I think a lot might ride on how McBain develops. If McBain takes another couple steps forward in the NHL this year, we will have 2 young very good PMD, and both great PP QBs. McBain becomes a RFA in 12/13, and if he develpos like we hope, pitkanen could be traded for a forward for staal.
It’s an escalator. McBain becomes Pitkanen. Sanguinetti becomes McBain. Joni is shipped out for the new Sanguinetti and some additional picks or prospects.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Pits a keeper..
I wouldn’t trade Joni for Staal. Joni is a better player in every way IMO!!! jUST look how Joni skates, and passes (to Jussi). If it wasn’t the Staal name, no one would even think about it!! It’s not really close…
That isn’t the point… Of course Joni is better than Staal, that is why Pitkanen is going to be easily one of the top big-name free agents next year which is also why the Canes can not afford to keep him. Pitkanen will make $5-7 million on the open market, the Canes can not afford to keep him at that price plain and simple. Personally (although I love Pitkanen) I wouldn’t even want them to pay him $6-7 million with our budget, that would leave absolutely nothing left.
Ummm…like they’re feeding a piggy bank somewhere?
Just where is there any evidence whatsoever that they are “saving for the future”.
They’re just flat-out not spending…or saving.
I agree. Cory mentioned that he thought Joni might re-sign here for somewhat of a hometown discount given his troubles in Philly and Edmonton. I’d love that. The thought of having Joni and McBain on the back end of the power play for years to come with Staal and Skinner makes me happy. I just don’t see it happening.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
A lot to be said for being comfortable somewhere, and he’s been his most comfortable here. Throw in the Finn factor and it’s a fit. Question is how important is the money to him.
by Cory Lavalette on Jun 29, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
too much is being said of hometown discounts and the Finn factor; what agent in his right mind would let one of top 10 dmen in the NHL take a disount in the prime of his career? I could understand if he was getting older. I think Joni plays in the NHL for 2 reasons: money and level of competition otherwise he’s stay in Finland.
I agree. When was the last time a huge free agent like Pitkanen will be just accepted a hometown discount. ESPECIALLY to stay on a team that everyone here has already pegged (rightfully) as a bottom 5 to 10 team in the NHL.
As Go_shelf said, he is in the prime of his career. I’d bet dollars to donuts that he will take the absolute best deal that comes to him and I seriously doubt the Canes will be the one offering it.
Not saying half price, but plenty of players take less cash to stay where they are.
by Cory Lavalette on Jun 29, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
When was the last big name free agents take any kind of pay-cut to stay on a Cap Floor team? One that finished bottom-10 in the league two years in a row? I just don’t see it happening.
I think a Cup contender like San Jose, Washington, Pittsburgh, etc. will come along and offer him $6-6.5 million a year and he will snap it up fast. He will go somewhere that doesn’t treat him like a pack-horse playing 30 minutes a night.
You’re making assumptions about next season, first of all. Based on how last season went, we all know things can swing either way pretty easily.
Shane Doan took a decent deal in PHX. The Sedins took a below market price in Vancouver, which is a winning team but still made out well at $6.1M per for each. Sakic came back to Colorado at a discount near the end of his career. Kane and Toews, while not UFAs, each took discounted deals in their RFA years to stay together in CHI.
by Cory Lavalette on Jun 29, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of Doan all those players either had family ties, historical ties to the organization, or had the chance to stay on a competitive team long term. Can’t say Joni has any of those ties here, at least not yet.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Remember, Joni is the undisputed number 1 Minute Muncher here. He has a sweet gig going on, and might be willing to cut .5-1 million of his payroll to keep it going.
But i agree with Go-Shelf- any agent with his salt is not going to let Joni go without out a payday without a fight.
by SouthernHockeyNutter on Jun 29, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Players Association has a tendency to get pissed, too.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 29, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 29, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
doubtful, this will Joni’s biggest and longest term contract, the only way he keeps the amount/year low is if he signs a really long-term deal which I don’t see happening because of his history (injuries, head-case, etc.).
No No No...
Your ideas on future budgets are SOOOOO Draconian!! Just because this years budget ALLEDGEDLY will be at the bottom doesn’t mean anything about next year. PK said that at this summers end the ownership situation s/b resolved! At that point they could easily reverse their “frugal” stance. PLUS at this point we don’t even know to what extent they are going to follow the “BUDGET”!!
I know i’ve declared what i’m intending to spend many times, but that doesn’t mean i go ahead and follow what i said i’d do…
that’s true and I really hope we’re closer to a ceiling team than the basement, at least our rookies will have a year under them we’ll have a better idea of what we have. I just don’t think Joni’s going to take a significant discount.
but he does not have to take a serious discount. The Canes, with eh contracts coming off the books, can easily afford a raise to the tune of 1-2 million for Joni. I personally hope they pay it, cause our offense is anemic and our defense embarrassing without Joni.
Remember, JR knows that. He does not have his head shoved where the light don’t shine that he can’t see what Joni brings to this team.
by SouthernHockeyNutter on Jun 29, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s going to depend on what the budget situation is, a lot of salary is coming off the books next year and you’d have to think some of those guys are not coming back.
So have you all keyed in on the twitter conversation between Bob MacKenzie and Mike Sundheim regarding needing to buyout candidates on waivers by noon today?
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
This is what I was trying to get at over in the previous article about Carson and Picard. Can’t Peters still file for arbitration though and re-open/keep open the window?
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
We’re trying to figure out of Peters is arbitration eligible. Rules for goalies may be different. I’m not the CBA expert around here. I thought they said only Picard and Carson were arbitration eligible, but not certain about that.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought I saw someone else mention something about Peters being eligible, but like thinking we had a prospect turn down a scholarship to Ohio State when it was Iowa, I may be confused on this.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Here's what I got
Here’s the language for Arbitration Eligibility:
12.1 Eligibility for Player or Club Election of Salary Arbitration.
(a) A Player is eligible for salary arbitration if the Player meets the
qualifications set forth in the following chart and in Section 12.1(b) below:
First SPC Signing Age Minimum Level of Professional
Experience Required to be
Eligible for Salary Arbitration
18-20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 years professional experience
21 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 years professional experience
22-23 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 years professional experience
24 and older . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 year professional experience
A Player aged 18 or 19 earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more NHL Games in a given season. A Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 of the calendar year in which he signs his first SPC) earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more Professional Games under an SPC in a given season.
(b) Only Players who qualify as Restricted Free Agents as described in
Section 10.2 of this Agreement, who meet the qualifications in Section 12.1(a) above,
and who have not signed an Offer Sheet are eligible either to elect salary arbitration or be
subject to a Club-elected salary arbitration.
© As used in this Article, “age,” including “First SPC Signing Age,” means a
Player’s age on September 15 of the calendar year in which he first signs an SPC
regardless of his actual age on the date he signs such SPC.
Peters was 20 when he signed his first SPC (dob: 8/30/1986, started playing in 2006-2007) That means he has to play 10 or more professional games, which include AHL games for four seasons to be arbitration eligible. I believe he has and is therefore eligible for Arbitration.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
I’ll stop reading the CBA now and wait patiently.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
I was thinking to make sure we didn’t lose the ability to buyout, I might sacrifice a fish or something. Or meditate with some sort of mantra about arbitration being my singular goal.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s what Rutherford just said to Javier Serna for Canes Now
Carolina Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford said he has not put center Rod Brind’Amour on waivers.
He said the team had until Wednesday to put a player on waivers, which would need to be done to buy out that player’s contract.
also said they never said Samsonov was a candidate for a buyout…guess that was just Branecky on News14 and Forslund. I’ll need to look at that 17 minute video of Rutherford again though… Seems strange.?
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Road trip to Minnesota next June?
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Samsonov
Samsonov has not shown himself to be a disaster on the ice. I think the Hurricanes have some more talented forwards; but Samsonov also has a history of coming to life in his contract year.
huh? he says right there they have until tomorrow.
by Cory Lavalette on Jun 29, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh dear. If this doesn’t cause a CC meltdown, I don’t know what will.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
I read this that Rutherford has until noon tomorrow to put Brind`Amour on waivers for a buyout. That is different from what that whole twitter conversation was suggesting. Or: MacKenzie was mistaken on the deadline being noon today.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are correct that it is Noon tomorrow or Wednesday as the deadline to put Brind’Amour on waivers.
I’ve always leaned towards putting my money on McKenzie, but anyone can make a mistake.
For clarity’s (and those who don’t have twitter) sake here’s what McKenzie said:
@MikeSundheim Correct, but in order to buy out on June 30 (Wed), player would have to clear waivers by then, which means has to be on today.
This is another part of the article you linked above which directly addresses the McKenzie twitter:
There was some debate on hockey websites over whether the Hurricanes needed to put Brind’Amour on waivers by noon today in order to buy him out, but Rutherford denied that was the case.
FTR-the “debate” is linked to McKenzie’s twitter.
I’d hope JR would know what he’s doing, but it’s hard to just discredit McKenzie’s statement completely.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
I’d hope JR would know what he’s doing, but it’s hard to just discredit McKenzie’s statement completely.
Is this JR’s first year as GM?
Is it October yet?
by hotchipsnsalsa on Jun 29, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
A hint of things to come?
Beyond this weird twitter moment of public confusion and debate on an issue that brings us all some anxiety – To me, it seems that the fact that Rutherford put out this clarification seems like the bigger story. Why would he do that if he didn’t intend to buyout Rod? There may be a good answer to that – maybe I’m jumping the gun. What does everyone think?
Has he tipped his hand? (or at least forced to somehow because of this twitter moment?)
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That could very well be the case, but there’s also the possibility that it could be someone else. I know he sort of shot down the Sammy rumor, but you never know.
I’m just going to wait and see.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
He’s not really saying anything other than what the rules are, I think the only thing we can deduce is Sammy’s not going to be bought-out.
Anyone have interest in P. O’Sullivan – native North Carolinian who could be had on the cheap.
Was just getting ready to post the same thing down below (and it looks like I managed to somehow). He has a nasty relationship with his father, which could sour things (I think there may even be a restraining order). The Canes could be a good fit though. Family atmosphere. Not much pressure.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
No. No re-entry waivers needed for a buyout. The Canes either have to take the whole thing or wait until he’s a free agent and sign him there to whatever deal he will take.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Like Patrick Eaves w/Boston, Detroit last year
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t he on a $1 million or $1.5 million deal for Detroit last season?
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
$500K, actually.
And he loved it there. Said Kris Draper took him under his wing, and he started talking about a new contract with Detroit almost a month ago.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This is from @puckdrops:
For the record: Canes players eligible for arbitration are Peters, Pogge, Borer and Rodney.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
BTW – I hope you didn’t put any money on MacKenzie. ;)
@TSNBobMacKenzie I was wrong. A few agents I know were also wrong. :-) So check the waivers after noon tomorrow to see who else is eligible to be bought out.
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by Carolyn Christians on Jun 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic but thought i'd share
ESPN Insider has a post about when the recent draftees will see NHL ice. Skinner was found in “Tier two: This Year Maybe”
“I’m not sure what position they’ll slot him in, center or on the wing. I see him in the latter but I still think John Tavares would be better on the wing in Long Island. Going back to Kitchener would be fine for Skinner’s development and give him a chance to get stronger, but scouts I spoke to say that he’s even money to stick with the Hurricanes. At the very least he starts the season with them to give him a taste of the NHL.”
Also from Insider, an article talking about how GM’s are suprised at what Atl gave up for Buff and whoever else they got from Chi, b/c Chi should have no leverage, they were gonna lose those players anyways. Regarding Versteeg (which I know some people are excited about with the rumors out there)
“Shrewd NHL executives don’t understand why Atlanta felt the need to give up its second first-round pick (acquired from the Devils in the Kovalchuk trade) and last year’s second-round selection, Jeremy Morin, in last week’s multi-asset deal to acquire Dustin Byfuglien, Brent Sopel, Ben Eager and prospect Akim Aliu.
“Didn’t they know the Hawks had to move those guys?” one puzzled team exec asked.
Buoyed by his ability to get significant return despite having little or no leverage, Chicago GM Stan Bowman hasn’t been shy about asking for top young players in return for versatile winger Kris Versteeg. One GM, baffled by a trade query concerning Versteeg, said, “You wouldn’t believe who he asked for.”
Bobby Ryan
Things still seem to be pretty quiet with Ryan. Although I don’t believe them at all, I find it interesting that I have seen in more than one place that Carolina is putting together and offer sheet for Ryan. Things seem to be going equally as bad contract-talk wise for Ryan as they are for Marc Staal. I’m guessing they would make about the same $4ish million, I’m just interested as to why multiple sources would connect Ryan and the Canes.
I don’t think Ryan is coming to Carolina, but imagine a line of Ryan-Staal-Skinner! That could be a very dangerous line. You have two proven 30+ goal scorers and a 50 goal scorer in the Juniors.
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by PackPride17 on Jun 29, 2010 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Patrick O'Sullivan
Already bought out by Edmonton. z
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Nope.
Put on waivers. Buyout will have to happen later.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 29, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish TSN would make up their mind. Earlier the article said they had been bought out.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
That's the assumption with the guys waived on 6/30...
But they have to pass through waivers first. Could get claimed like Moreau before that happens.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Return of the Winston-Salem(ite?)?
Doubtful.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 29, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not a bad player, he’s also not worth $2.925. I think he definitely needs a relocation and be cast into a different role. In a 2nd/3rd line wing role he could prove effective.
Oh I know, he played here in LA for a while and I really liked his play. If he gets his act together he can be a solid 2nd line winger, not to mention he’s aces in the shootout. He was just overpaid for what he had accomplished at the time of his contract.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 29, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t Thursday the unofficial start on the 2010/2011 season? If so, does anybody think JR will work out contract extensions for the players that are going to become UFA’s or RFA’s? And if he is, which players?
I think it would be smart to go ahead and extend Sutter for at least 3 more years. Also, he should at least begin to work on Pitkanen’s contract. Now Jussi, I would hold off on that. Jussi had a career year last season and his stock is the highest its ever been. See if he can replicate last season before starting contract talks.
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