Budget Still Tight For Canes
by Bob Wage on Jul 1, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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Don't expect the Carolina Hurricanes to be active during the opening of free agency today. Even though Rod Brind`Amour's salary comes off the books with his retirement, (at least as far as the budget goes, it stays on the salary cap number), the team is still tight up against their self-imposed targeted budget number of $43.4 million, the mandatory cap minimum.
Brind'Amour's departure frees up $2 million of cash this season, but the team still is committed to over $42 million in salary so far (depending upon who makes the team), and the organization still needs to sign a few more players. Anton Babchuk will probably earn at least $1 million and backup goalie Justin Peters needs a contract as well.
Add in another defenseman or two (Brett Carson and ?), and the Hurricanes could easily be over $44 million.
Update--(Adding in Bobby Sanguinetti)
Check out the details after the jump:
| Player | Cap Hit 2010-11 |
Salary (Cash) 2010-11 |
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| Eric Staal | $8,250,000 | $7,500,000 | ||||
| Cam Ward | $6,300,000 | $5,000,000 | ||||
| Joni Pitkanen | $4,000,000 | $4,500,000 | ||||
| Tim Gleason | $2,750,000 | $3,000,000 | ||||
| Sergei Samsonov | $2,533,000 | $2,800,000 | ||||
| Tuomo Ruutu | $3,800,000 | $4,000,000 | ||||
| Jussi Jokinen | $1,700,000 | $1,900,000 | ||||
| Erik Cole | $2,900,000 | $3,000,000 | ||||
| Chad LaRose | $1,700,000 | $1,900,000 | ||||
| Brandon Sutter | $1,225,000 | $ 875,000 | ||||
| Tom Kostopoulos |
$ 916,667 | $ 950,000 | ||||
| Patrick Dwyer | $ 500,000 | $ 500,000 | ||||
| Jay Harrison | $ 500,000 | $ 500,000 | ||||
| Jiri Tlusty | $ 500,000 | $ 500,000 | ||||
| Anton Babchuk | $ -- | RFA | ||||
| Totals, (One Way Deals) | $37,571,667 | $36,925,000 | ||||
| Zach Boychuk (two way deal) |
$1,196,000 | $ 875,000 | ||||
| Drayson Bowman (two way deal) |
$ 846,000 | $ 637,000 | ||||
| Oskar Osala (two way deal) |
$ 850,000 | $ 785,000 | ||||
| Jamie McBain (two way deal) |
$ 850,000 | $ 635,000 | ||||
| Zac Dalpe (two way deal) |
$ 704,167 | $ 550,000 | ||||
| Jerome Samson (two way deal) |
$ 512,500 | $ 500,000 | ||||
| Bobby Sanguinetti (two way deal) | $ 855,000 | $ 765,000 | ||||
| Brett Carson | $ -- | RFA | ||||
| Casey Borer | $ -- | RFA | ||||
| Alexandre Picard | $ -- | RFA | ||||
| Justin Peters | $ -- | RFA | ||||
| Bryan Rodney | $ -- | RFA | ||||
| Totals, (Two Way Deals) | $ 5,813,167 | $ 4,747,000 | ||||
| Rod Brind`Amour **buyout | $3,500,000 | $1,000,000 | ||||
| Frantisek Kaberle **buyout | $ 733,333 | $ 733,333 | ||||
| Totals, (Buyouts) | $ 4,233,333 | $ 1,733,333 | ||||
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| Grand Totals | $47,618,167 | $43,405,633 |
Obviously, not all of the players who have two-way contracts will make the team, but the Canes will need to fill in a roster of at least 21 or 22 players. The results of training camp will determine the actual budget. Either way, it does not appear that there is any room for the likes of a Joe Corvo or Brian Pothier. We will see.
For a look at future years, check out our, Hurricanes Unofficial Salary Chart.
Whether the Hurricanes are active during free agency or not, we will be watching here at Canes Country. An open thread will be ready to go starting at noon where we can discuss the results of "Free Agent Madness" all day long.
Where will Ray Whitney and Matt Cullen end up? And Ilya Kovalchuk?
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Helpful. There are 21 names listed there, so we’re close. Wondering: Does Sanguinetti need to be added?
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Budgets and Opportunity
Bob,
Even a cursory look at the potential forward lines for next year reveals that the Hurricanes have at least one or two veterans look like they have to be moved. With Tlusty and Samson having one way contracts, and the need for a third line center, such as Dalpe, Nash, or Matsumoto; and then assuming Boychuk is too talented to be left off the roster, there is no room for some of the veterans. I had assumed Samsonov was going to be moved. Kostopoulos, although valuable, is the next player most easily moved.
I think the Carson/Picard scenario is playing out such that the Hurricanes will either re-sign Carson or go for an underappreciated defenseman. There are a glut of defensemen UFAs this time.
Finally, it is always important to remember that the Canes budget this year is self-restraint and self-imposed. If the right opportunity comes along, the curtain can instantly lift. All it takes is a phone call from Peter Karmanos.
The other option would be to minimize some of the two-way player’s time in the NHL to minimize salary impact. I expected Samsonov to be gone as well..a buyout would have saved almost $1.9 million in actual salary.
I suspect that Samsonov stayed in part b/c he has NHL experience at a time when most of our forwards don’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is traded at some point, provided some other team actually wants him.
Samsonov and LaRose
In all the lines I have constructed, I continue to come to the point that either LaRose or Samsonov hit the fourth line. Samsonov winds up being my pick for the fourth line. Looks like Samsonov/Dwyer/Kostopoulos will be the fourth line.
However...
JR’s talked specifically about how he doesn’t fit there. I think Rosie’s game works much better on a checking line.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 3, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Samsonov and LaRose
I agree that Samsonov really is not a typical fourth line player; and at his salary, it is far less than idea. Similarly, LaRose at $1.9 million doesn’t fit the Hurricanes typical fourth line player.
That's true...
But don’t you think he does the little things better than Sammie?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 3, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
LaRose and the Little Things
Absolutely. Here are some of the arguments for keeping LaRose. He is all heart. He is fast. The team loves him. He would do anything for the team. He is a skating advertisement for what makes the Hurricanes a family organization; and he is loyal to the core. He can play all four lines and doesn’t complain wherever he plays. He does an excellent job on the penalty kill; and is one of the team’s best at short-handed goals; and with Cullen gone that is important. He is totally committed and plays hurt without complaining – sometimes to his own detriment.
He is great in the locker room and gets the positive energy up on the team. He will come to battle every shift and he drives others to do the same. He can get under the skin of his opponents. Nobody with a beating heart can dislike him. He has shown he can score and he is still developing. He is a model of the work ethic upon which the Hurricanes system depends.
I fail to see where the forward ranks are too crowded.
Not all of those prospects are going to spend the entire season up in the NHL. JR said there would be rotation between the two teams.
There are 10 forwards on one-way contracts, so room for 3 more two-way contracts.
Add Boychuk if you think he’s a lock, and that leaves 2 slots open for Dalpe, Bowman, Samson, and Osala to share until a roster move is made later in the season.
That’s pretty much what JR described as being his goal.
I think he’ll look for opportunites to move Samsonov, but it’s certainly not a critical need. He can afford to be patient.
But, I will grant you that I have not seen such legitimate NHL depth within the Canes organization since…well, since they have been the Canes.
This bodes well.
Although I’m talking about forward depth only, just to clarify.
The defense? Not so much. Needs work.
Well, we have all those names you listed so well the other day. They’re just all under 20 still. A ways to go.
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We do have some promising prospects in the college and junior ranks right now.
Dumoulin, plus what we just added: Faulk, Biega, Levi, and Stahl…and, perhaps, Michal Jordan.
Jordan is a pro now. He signed his deal and joined Albany (now Charlotte) after Plymouth was eliminated by Windsor in the playoffs.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 1, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he was referring to Tyler Stahl based on the spelling.
Is it October yet?
by hotchipsnsalsa on Jul 1, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Still, it’s easy to see how JR subscribes to the theory of acquiring his impact D players through trades.
You can flesh out the ranks with homegrown talent, as listed above, but the top-tier defensemen do seem to round out their game just around the UFA mark.
The issue I have with his defensive system is it’s based on depth and not on talent. It’s nice to have a good third pair, but at the end of the game you only get to put two defenders on the ice. I love Timmy and Joni, but for my money I’d love to have a Pronger, or Chara, or Keith, or someone along those lines out their against other teams top pairs. The only way to get a player like that is to pay for them in free agency, which won’t happen, draft one high, which won’t happen, or somehow catch lightning in a bottle a get one in a later round or through a trade, which is the only option open to JR. The problem is that the only option open to him has the lowest likelihood of working out.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
You nailed it. JR’s a stalker.
I’m not holding my breath waiting for a day when we acquire top-end UFA defenders. But, if we maintain the forward depth we have now, or even increase it, then trades do become a very real option.
We’ve just lacked the depth to wheel and deal in the past without it hurting us offensively.
I hope so. I personally don’t think it’s going to happen. For me, when JR passed on Fowler to take Skinner, that sent the fundamental message to me that he think offense is the way to go. Now, he may be right. There’s a lot of teams that have done well that have been built on offense recently. It’s not the system I would go with, though. Many of those teams, Chicago and Philly this year, also had top talent defense (Keith and Pronger). Maybe JR thinks Cam in net makes up for top tier defensemen. Cam is better than Leighton or Niemi.
I’ve said before that I have a bias towards defense. I think the Canes should too if they’re going to be a cap floor team. Defense is the easiest position to trade and it’s the one that brings back value. When is the last time a top forward was traded and a team got value back in return? When defensemen get traded I think a team gets better value in return. Seems to me the best way to maximize a limited budget is to develop defensemen and trade them out.
Time will tell and it usually proves me wrong on these things.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
I agree that JR thinks having Cam in net reduces the need for a top-tier defenseman, but I am really worried about relying too much on Cam, especially given his back situation. I think this is going to burn us badly.
Let's go Hartolina WhalerCanes!!!! I am a big fan of the Canes, but I still have some residual Brass Bonanza Blue and Green in me.
granted he was at the end of his rope… But 2002 and 2006, who was our best defensemen? Wesley, Hedican, (dare I say) A.Ward.
I don’t think it’s so much a Cam thing as a general philosophy. All that being said, Joni is a top-tier guy.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 1, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to take anything away from Pitkanen, but I wouldn’t call him a shut down D. Now, before you ask, I know Fowler wasn’t either, so drafting him wouldn’t have filled that role. That said, Joni could have been traded for a younger shut down guy with Fowler and McBain in the system.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Yes, he’s a pro now. He still has a ways to go — he’s a bit undersized height-wise, but stocky and strong while being still pretty mobile. Here’s what Jeff Daniels told me about him right after he turned pro:
What are your initial impressions of Kyle Lawson, who was recently signed after finishing his college career at Notre Dame?
"He’s been a smart player. There’s not a lot of flash to his game, but he keeps it simple and positionally sound. He really moves the puck. He’s just one of those quiet guys who can get the job done. You’re not going to see him go end to end with the puck, he’s just going to move the puck up. He’s been good positionally for us. He’s adjusting to the grind — all of a sudden he’s sometimes playing four games in five nights — and just the pace of things. There’s stuff he needs to work on and he knows that and that’s why he’s here."
He’s a little smaller as far as height, but he’s pretty thick for his size.
"Yeah, he’s not that thick, but he’s solid out there on the ice. He’s not a big brusier, but at the same time he can win those battles down low and, like I said, he thinks the game well."
Obviously Lawson played against Zac Dalpe (former second-round pick by Carolina who signed his pro deal last week after his sophomore year and is now Lawson’s teammate in Albany) in the CCHA. Do you think it’s weird for those guys to go from competing to being teammates so quickly?
"I’m sure it is, but it’s no different from guys coming from junior where guys are used to battling each all year long and then all of a sudden now they’re teammates and all on the same side. It’s nothing new, but when you’re playing against each other your enemies, and when you’re together you play on as a team."
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 1, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how an extra hundred K or so from Koustopolis really helps.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 3, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Kostopoulos and the Trade Deadline
Kostopoulos has a very affordable salary and if the Hurricanes are not in the playoff chase at the deadline, and perhaps even if they are, I think he will be traded. Jim Rutherford is going young and going for players who have a significant upper limit. Kostopoulos does wonderfully well for those things teams look for in a heart and soul fourth line wing.
I understand that possibility.
However, your OP mentioned the idea of needing to move somebody. That said to me by the start of the season, and there’s just not enough savings to do that, IMO.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 3, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Start of the Season Trades
I think Jim Rutherford would like to move a player; but that player is likely to be Samsonov. With Kostopoulos and the salary limits this season, saving $400,000 or so could help the Hurricanes in the search for a top 4 defenseman. For players who are potentially tradeable before the season begins, Kostopoulos is probably the best value for the acquiring team. LaRose is the best player available due to his young age and his history of having scored 19 goals.
All that being said, I will be surprised if Jim Rutherford is successful in trading anybody prior to the start of the season.
I would be stunned if the Canes spent any money on someone who wasn’t with the organization at the end of last year.
I think the best case scenario would be to start the season with basically this roster, play well, and add a player or two near the trade deadline for a playoff run.
i cant wait til samsonov blows up this year. its gonna be a sight to see. especially all this talk about him being useless.
Just need to get him of the 4th line. – Even the Canes acknowledged he was a problem a month ago.
TTS Blog:
"We have to make a decision on whether he [Samsonov] fits our team," said Hurricanes General Manager Jim Rutherford. "For a lot of last year he ended up being a fourth-line player, and based on where he fits into our pay scale it doesn’t make sense for him to play there. He’s a very good player and a skilled guy, but he may or may not fit into the direction we’re going."
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Off the Fourth Line?
Off the Front Line or off the Fourth Line?
It didn’t make sense to me to see Samsonov on the fourth line in terms of his skill set. Samsonov in the past had his best performances during contract years. This season he is playing for the ability to stay in the NHL. I suspect Jim Rutherford would trade Samsonov if he could. On the other hand, Samsonov could come to camp ready to prove himself and if he avoids the start of season slump, could make himself invaluable. The hard part if figuring out where Samsonov fits on a line. He didn’t do well on the first line. On the second line, he doesn’t really fit with the second line being the line that takes on the other team’s first line. So if the second line, for example, is Tlusty/Sutter/Cole or Boychuk/Sutter/Cole or Tlusty/Sutter/Ruutu or Boychuk/Sutter/Cole or Jokinen/Sutter/Ruutu or Jokinen/Sutter/Cole, I don’t see Samsonov replacing any one of the wings.
On the third line, if one assumes for the sake of discussion that Dalpe is the third line center, then if the third line otherwise is Boychuk/Dalpe/LaRose, or LaRose/Dalpe/Osala or Boychuk/Dalpe/Bowman or LaRose/Dalpe/Bowman, does Samsonov beat out LaRose for the third line? I don’t see a third line of LaRose/Dalpe/Samsonov being particularly effective.
if as you say the second line in is the shut down line, then how is boychuk any better fitted on the second line than samsonov.
Boychuk on Second Line
I think the question is quite reasonable. My take on Boychuk is that with his speed and feisty approach, he disrupts play. From my observations Boychuk managed to draw more penalties per minute on the ice than any other Hurricanes player. A Boychuk/Sutter/Cole line has the speed to shut down the other team’s best line; and with Sutter and Cole Boychuk’s size is less of a detriment. Boychuk is a vastly better defensive player than Samsonov even though they are equivalent in size. Boychuk has blazing speed and unfortunately for Samsonov his lack of North/South foot speed is a huge disadvantage for him.
Could easily see Samsonov traded. The cap hit and salary aren’t too bad. There aren’t a lot of forwards available on the UFA market. The Canes won’t want much back in return. I imagine the Canes would trade Sergei for anyone willing to give up a second round pick.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Everyone talks how Pittsburgh needs a winger. They’ve had luck with their Russians…..Maybe cheaper than Whitney..Just thinkin out loud.
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I’d be surprised if Whitney got so much more than $2.8 million that we’d consider Sergei a better value than him.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 1, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if Whitney took 2.5 million or less next season to play for Pittsburgh.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Good points. Just seems like he’s one of the top 5 forward UFA’s out there, if I remember a couple lists I’ve seen. Might be more competition for his skillset..?
What role do you see for Samsonov this season here? Other than oldest man in the room.
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I don’t doubt that there will be a market for Ray’s services that could drive up his price. It’s going to depend on what Ray wants. Does he want big money this year? Length of a contract? Chance to win the cup?
As for Sergei, I honestly don’t see a role for him. I think JR has a few things up his sleeve on this front. Did you ever check JR’s earlier press conference to confirm what he said recently about Sergei not being part of a buyout? My guess is he had some feelers at the draft and has a few good leads that Samsonov can be traded.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Based on the outcome of Picard and Carson I wouldn’t be surprised to see Samsonov used in some capacity for a defenseman some time after noon today.
Is it October yet?
by hotchipsnsalsa on Jul 1, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
used in some capacity for a defenseman
I’m pretty sure you meant as a trade, not that they were trying to convert him to play on the back end….. ;)
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true -- traded for a defenseman
Is it October yet?
by hotchipsnsalsa on Jul 1, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
When does Free Agency start today? Now? or at Noon?
"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."
NOON ???
Heck i thought it started @ 12:01 am…sigh..gee i feel so old …and no one loved me enough to correct me…waaaa waaa waaa…steve slowly rolls off to drown in his sorrows in yet another stein if sweet tea…sniff sniff honk honk…(steve blows his nose)…sigh…now i feel like samsonov…got the skills, but no place to play…sigh..
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Off topic, but is there going to be an open thread for Free agency this afternoon?
Also, does anyone have any good twitter feeds for today outside of the obvious (Lebrun, McKenzie, Dreger, etx)?
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Well, on Puck Daddy, they’ve set up a 24 Twitter-feed chatbox too, may want to follow some of the people on there.
Puck Daddy’s 2010 Free Agent Frenzy Chatter Box
"...they will not force us...they will stop degrading us...they will not control us...we will be victorious..."
Mah blog.
yes
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Does that mean Mikko Koivu is on his way out? Isn’t he a UFA?
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
next year. He has one more year on his deal. Mikko’s their No. 1 … Cullen would be their 2/3 center.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 1, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Thought Minny had a free agent center coming to the market. Haven’t really paid too much attention to the western conference FA market.
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Just Andrew Ebbett, I think. Def. a HUGE need at center there.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 1, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
sigh...
steve still feels so bad…sniff sniff…sooo old and decriped…i thught FA started @ midnight…waaaaaaa waaaa …some body got a roll of paper towels ?? I B Past tissues….
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That Checkers 3rd Sweater ROCKS !!!
Off topic again
Anyone else see this Tweet?
SportsnetSpec
Source suspects something up in Calgary, where Sutter is clearing cap space. Podium already set up for afternoon presser – at 8 am mt.
Any thoughts?
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
Iginla leaves them even thinner on offense. Regehr makes some sense. They have enough D. What about Kipper? His numbers have been declining and some team may be willing to take him. Leighton and Gagne for Kipper?
I just wish JR would have given up Ray Whitney for Lent.
not thin on O if you get three pieces for him.
/shrug
I wouldn’t deal him.
by Cory Lavalette on Jul 1, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the tweets using #SutterAnnouncements:
@Jibblescribbits: “My favorite season is Autumn because I get to collect leafs that outlived their usefulness”
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Flames to name Phaneuf captain… wait a minute #SutterAnnouncements
“In fact, WE have signed Lebron James. For eleventy-billion dollars.” #SutterAnnouncements
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 1, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmmm
yep sure is and kind of interesting though…I wonder if and as Cory said…Iginla
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Winning Team
Trade Samsonov and/or Cole and find a top-4 D. I can live with relying on one or two of the young guns to break out and score 20-25 goals for us, but our D is just abysmal. Gleason, Pitkanen, and McBain are all pretty suitable for the top-4, but to rely on Babchuk, Harrison, and Sanguinetti to fill out our top-6 is ridiculous.
The worst part is we have zero depth, once Pitkanen or Gleason inevitably go down with an injury (no doubt from being worked too hard at 30 minutes a game)… Who is going to fill that void? That just puts even more pressure on whichever one is left leading to a higher chance of injury. It is a negative feedback loop. I think if we have any chance of making the Playoffs next year we need another top-4 D, no question. If we don’t find one we will end up in the same situation as last year when Pitkanen/Gleason were injured, we sucked big time.
Not sure if this was already posted? Being away I’m still a little overwhelmed with all the information to keep up with this week. Paul Branecky blogged today on a similar topic regarding the youth influence on free agency.
TTS: Readiness of youth to influence free agent moves
Phoblographer and Finn Aficionado
SISU
Sundheim tweeted some new player Jersey numbers. (And Brind`Amour’s name is no longer on the roster)
Skinner to keep #53 from juniors.
Dalpe-22.
Borer-55, (what was it before?)
Riley Nash-23,
Sanguinetti-24,
J. Staal-34
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Questioning what’s become of Jon Matsumoto? He doesn’t show up on the UFA or RFA chart the Canes have put up. Did they need to qualify him too on Monday?
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Yeah – just saw that too. But his contract expired today, from all I’ve seen. Guess I figured he would be in the RFA list.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 1, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
CapGeek says he had a 3 yr contract that expired at the end of this past season and he is now an RFA.
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 1, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Matsumoto has, at least, been added to the depth chart.
Note that Dalpe and Dwyer have been penciled into the #3 and #4 center slots.
I have never been a Dwyer fan. He hasn’t shown me anything I like. Am I the only non Dwyer fan out there?
by Clemson Caniac on Jul 1, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Meszaros to Philly
For a second round pick.
Also Savard to Calgary. Wonder what could be going back in return. Savard + Iginla sounds fun.
Is it possible to be addicted to hockey?
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