13 Ways of Looking at a Hockey Team
I'd like to watch a hockey game. That's not an option, so I'm anticipating the new season in a zillion silly ways.
We've seen lots of interesting looks at the Hurricanes for this coming season, the most recent abramsdoug's insightful review of team progress and HMo2's great spreadsheet for doing your own running analysis of the roster and the Canes' moves. Those two looks weren't silly at all. Wallace Stevens' famous poem isn't silly either, but it still popped into my head. I figure we're getting close to looking at the Canes a dozen ways. I'm providing two more brief looks that put us over the top.
The first look simply lists players on the Canes' roster or in the system by overall draft position regardless of who drafted them. The list doesn't go beyond the first 100 draft slots. The initial idea was to get a raw assessment of how much talent the Canes have accumulated, using draft position as an imperfect but useful gauge of talent.
While checking players' draft positions, I couldn't help noticing how the Canes turned some of the players they drafted high into players drafted high by other teams. That only makes sense, but it's intriguing when you start to get a sense of the way the Canes have managed the process over time. For example, it's interesting that the Canes turned everybody's favorite defenseman Jack Johnson into Tim Gleason. The more of these exchanges you see, the more you appreciate what the Canes have done. At least, that's true for me.
But you be the judge.
Current Canes' Players in Order of Draft Position
Overall Draft Position Player
First Round Choices (13)
2.......................................................E Staal
4.......................................................J Pitkanen
7.......................................................J Skinner
8.......................................................S Samsonov
9.......................................................T Ruutu
11.....................................................B Sutter
13.....................................................J Tlusty
14.....................................................Z Boychuk
21.....................................................A Babchuk
21.....................................................R Nash
21.....................................................B Sanguinetti
23.....................................................T Gleason
25.....................................................C Ward
Second Round Choices (7)
37......................................................J Faulk
38......................................................J Peters
45......................................................Z Dalpe
49......................................................J Staal
51......................................................B Dumoulin
53......................................................M Alt
63......................................................J McBain
Third Round Choices (11)
67.......................................................D Biega
69.......................................................C Borer
71.......................................................E Cole
72.......................................................D Bowman
79.......................................................J Matsumoto
82.......................................................J Harrison
83.......................................................J Corvo
85.......................................................A Levi
88.......................................................Z Fitzgerald
90.......................................................J Pogge
Fourth Round Choice (1)
97.......................................................O Osala
Observations, Anyone?
Here are mine. Among the first round choices, there's a bias toward the top of the round. Eight of our 13 first rounders came in the top 14 picks. That doesn't seem to be purely a benefit of losing lots of games and therefore getting lots of high choices. Some of those high choices came through trades or as free agents.
Six of our 13 first rounders and all seven of our second rounders are kids. Among the first rounders, only Samsonov is getting up in years at 31. If draft position means anything, that's good news. Only three of our 11 third rounders are really kids, but only two, Cole and Corvo, are up in years. Osala, the lone fourth-rounder, is another promising kid.
You could say in any 10-year period, a team should have 10 first rounders--its own--and at least eight of them should be on the NHL active roster. The Canes have seven first rounders on their active roster, which isn't bad, and they should get credit for having 13 in the system instead of 10.
You could mourn the mighty who have fallen: Samsonov and Cole. That wasn't my reaction to this view of players. Instead, I've started to see possibilities like these: Samsonov and Cole will come back strong, Babchuk will play at the high end of our expectations, and Harrison will turn out to be considerably better than expected.
Harrison was drafted almost as high as Bowman and Cole. Were the Leafs dead wrong about him? Is Paul Maurice, a defense-minded coach who worked with Harrison in Toronto, wrong about him? Could be, but I take Harrison's draft position as a reminder that he could turn into a player.
And what if Borer gets back to full health? He was a high third-round choice, six picks lower than McBain and three higher than Bowman. He looked good in the NHL before Carson did and before the bus wreck. He's due for some good fortune, and his good fortune could help the Canes.
What's the story with Fitzgerald? He was once thought as promising as Austin Levi. Is he?
Now to the Canes' trades I noticed along the way.
Rutherford's Alchemy
Column A: Was Column B: Became
Jack Johnson.................................Tim Gleason
Danny Richmond........... ...............Anton Babchuk
Andrew Ladd..................................Tuomo Ruutu
Philippe Paradis............................Jiri Tlusty
Joe Corvo........................................Bobby Sanguinetti + Osala (+ Corvo returns for less pay)
Matt Cullen......................................Riley Nash
Niclas Wallin..................................Mark Alt
Andrew Alberts...............................Austin Levi
Aaron Ward.....................................Justin Shugg + Justin Pogge
Stephan Yelle & H Reed...................T Stahl & C Lalonde-McNichol
5th Round Draft Choice.....................J Staal
Scott Walker-->Caps-->7th Rdr-->Flyers-->....J Matsumoto
Which Column Would You Take?
Maybe the off-season has put me off my head, but I prefer column B to column A in every case but one.
The exception is the exchange of Matt Cullen for Riley Nash. I'd rather have Cullen, but I realize that the Canes can't pay Cullen his market value. Could Nash become a player in Cullen's class? Cullen was drafted 35th overall and is 33 years old. Nash was drafted 21st overall and is 21 years old. Good things could happen.
12 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Lines versus Draft Position
I really appreciate all the work it took to get that information organized. I had been thinking how the lines would look in terms of draft position; and I began by looking at what www.carolinahurricanes.com showed as the depth chart. Paul is usually on target or very close to on target with his depth chart.
Depth Chart Lines:
Jokinen (6th rd(192nd overall)) Staal 1st rd #2 Ruutu 1st rd #9
Tlusty 1st rd #13 Sutter 1st rd #11 LaRose Free Agent
Boychuk 1st rd #14 Dalpe 2nd rd #45 Erik Cole 3rd Rd #71
Samsonov 1st rd #8 Dwyer 4th (116th overall) Kostopoulos 7th (204th overall)
Gleason 1st rd #23 Joe Corvo 4th (83rd overall)
Pitkanen 1st rd #4 McBain 2nd rd #63
Babchuk 1st rd # 21 Harrison 3rd (82nd overall)
Good God, Harrison went higher than Corvo! It just shows how the mid to late rounds are a complete crapshoot.
Triple Gold Juice - It's Potent and Guaranteed to Help You Score!
by PackPride17 on Jul 13, 2010 8:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn’t it great when a talented player like Jokinen slips through multiple cracks and becomes a big-time player for the Canes?
You found the Corvo pick at 83rd overall, which I missed. I’ll add to the list of Canes picked in the top 100.
by curiouscanesfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
TB destroyed him...
But I always liked him in Dallas. Versatile, good shootout guy, creative player.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 17, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
CCF, I really, really enjoyed this. Great article! Kinda happy with that Column B myself.
One comment though… didn’t we trade Joe Corvo for Joe Corvo PLUS Bobby Sanguinetti PLUS Oskar Osala?
Phoblographer and Finn Aficionado
SISU
Right you are, LTD.
I also missed the fact that the 7th round pick that the Canes traded to the Flyers for Matsumoto came from the Caps for Scott Walker. Will see if I can fix the list.
by curiouscanesfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
MCBAIN!!!
I think he’s going to be outstanding this year. Feel free to remember this post a year from now and look back in awe at my predictilating skillz.

Satan is just a coping mechanism for monotheists.
Harrison
I think odds are against Harrison’s panning out, but Rutherford did say Harrison played hurt last year. Add that to his draft position and Maurice’s familiarity with him as reasons to hope that he will pan out.
What worries me most about Harrison is that when he went down to the Rats for the playoffs last year, he seemed to be on the ice an awful lot when the other team scored a come-from-behind or winning goal. I wondered how the Rats kept losing leads and that was one thing I noticed on some score sheets.
I’m not saying Harrison will make it, just that he might have a chance.
by curiouscanesfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions
The most hopeful conclusion
Based on the way the Canes have recently turned declining assets into young talent, we can infer that most future Canes’ personnel decisions will be sound.
When it seems otherwise, it’s probably going to be a question of not being able to afford the alternative, like Cullen. I’m sure the Canes wanted him back.
by curiouscanesfan on Jul 14, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions
This is one of the coolest posts – thanks for doing the research and providing this – awesome!
by PittsburghCaniac on Jul 16, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions

by 























