Hurricanes Roster and Salary Expenses: Nine days later
by hockeymomof2 on Jul 21, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
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Last Monday, we took a look at the status of the Carolina Hurricanes so far this off-season, and suggested where there was work remaining for Hurricanes uber-GM Jim Rutherford. With only 38 signed to pro contracts, we knew he still had some slots to fill on the rosters for both the Hurricanes and those who will be playing some (or most) of the season in Charlotte for the AHL affiliate Checkers this season.
After some expected moves (the signings of the three RFAs Nick Dodge, Bryan Rodney and Justin Pogge) and announcements of the less certain though generally well-regarded contracts with Riley Nash and Brett Carson, I have an updated table for you and the Excel file for downloading so you can explore the possibilities on your own.
Click here for that file: Hurricanes 2010-11 Roster and Salary Chart rev. July 20
With the addition of these five contracts over the last nine days, 43 hockey players are signed up with the Canes organization and ready to go in September. At the very least, one more spot remains for a forward to join the fun and the fray. With comments from Rutherford that Jeff Skinner has a shot at playing in the NHL, we have to wonder if the GM is done until at least they get a look at the talented 18-year-old sniper in action at Traverse City.
So let's take a look once more at the roster and salary status, after the jump.
As before, the players in the gray fields have two-way contracts. I have indicated only one possible scenario for who is playing in Raleigh and who in Charlotte, this time using the Hurricanes own depth chart to guide me. One example: Riley Nash is on the NHL roster, Jonathan Matsumoto is over on the AHL side.
| Canes Country Roster/Salary Worksheet | |||||||||
| 2010-11 Season | |||||||||
| HURRICANES (NHL) ROSTER | Other Players w/Contract (All 2-way) | ||||||||
| (gray cells have 2-way deals) | (also known as the AHL roster - not AHL salaries) | ||||||||
| Name | NHL Cap Hit | NHL Salary | Name | NHL Cap Hit | NHL Salary | ||||
| FORWARDS | FORWARDS | ||||||||
| Eric Staal | $8,250,000 | $7,500,000 | Oskar Osala | $850,000 | $785,000 | ||||
| Tuomo Ruutu | $3,800,000 | $4,000,000 | Zac Dalpe | $875,000 | $637,500 | ||||
| Erik Cole | $2,900,000 | $3,000,000 | Chris Terry | $750,000 | $625,000 | ||||
| Sergei Samsonov | $2,533,000 | $2,800,000 | Stefan Chaput | $548,333 | $565,000 | ||||
| Chad LaRose | $1,700,000 | $1,900,000 | Cedric McNicoll | $610,000 | $550,000 | ||||
| Jussi Jokinen | $1,700,000 | $1,900,000 | Jared Staal | $566,667 | $550,000 | ||||
| Tom Kostopoulos | $916,667 | $950,000 | Matt Kennedy | $566,667 | $550,000 | ||||
| Brandon Sutter | $1,225,000 | $875,000 | Jon Matsumoto | $512,500 | $500,000 | ||||
| Zach Boychuk | $1,195,833 | $875,000 | Jerome Samson | $512,500 | $500,000 | ||||
| Drayson Bowman | $845,833 | $687,500 | Matthew Pistilli | $521,667 | $500,000 | ||||
| Riley Nash | $704,167 | $550,000 | Nicolas Blanchard | $512,500 | $500,000 | ||||
| Jiri Tlusty | $500,000 | $500,000 | Nick Dodge | $500,000 | $500,000 | ||||
| Patrick Dwyer | $500,000 | $500,000 | 13th forward? | ||||||
| Total Forwards | $26,770,500 | $26,037,500 | |||||||
| DEFENSEMEN | DEFENSEMEN | ||||||||
| Joni Pitkanen | $4,000,000 | $4,500,000 | Bobby Sanguinetti | $855,000 | $765,000 | ||||
| Tim Gleason | $2,750,000 | $3,000,000 | Michal Jordan | $606,667 | $580,000 | ||||
| Joe Corvo | $2,250,000 | $2,000,000 | Brett Bellemore | $533,333 | $555,000 | ||||
| Anton Babchuk | $1,400,000 | $1,400,000 | Kyle Lawson | $552,500 | $540,000 | ||||
| Jamie McBain | $850,000 | $685,000 | Bryan Rodney | $525,000 | $525,000 | ||||
| Brett Carson | $500,000 | $500,000 | Zack Fitzgerald | $500,000 | $500,000 | ||||
| Jay Harrison | $500,000 | $500,000 | Casey Borer | $500,000 | $500,000 | ||||
| Total Defense | $12,250,000 | $12,585,000 | |||||||
| GOALTENDERS | GOALTENDERS | ||||||||
| Cam Ward | $6,300,000 | $5,000,000 | Murphy, Mike | $783,333 | $630,000 | ||||
| Justin Peters | $525,000 | $500,000 | Pogge, Justin | $500,000 | $500,000 | ||||
| Total Goaltenders | $6,825,000 | $5,500,000 | |||||||
| Total Salary for roster players | $44,122,500 | ||||||||
| # roster players | 22 | Roster Size (Charlotte) | 21 | ||||||
| BUYOUTS | |||||||||
| Frantisek Kaberle | $733,333 | $733,333 | |||||||
| Rod Brind`amour | $3,600,000 | $1,000,000 | |||||||
| SALARY CAP | $59,400,000 | ||||||||
| PAYROLL | $50,178,833 | $45,855,833 | |||||||
| CAP SPACE | $9,221,167 | Numbers as of July 20, 2010 | |||||||
This little bit of tinkering with the roster line-up put the salary expense at $44,122,500. This figure is about $350,000 lower than the number I came up with last week, or less than a 1% reduction. I would guess that it is probably irrelevant, since we know that the rosters on the left and right have numerous combinations of interchangeable parts.
Further details on the new deals
To better appreciate how these negotiations are working out, let's look at both sides of the two-way deals. Twenty-six-year old RFA defenseman Bryan Rodney's salary for the 2009-10 season was $550,000 at the NHL level, but for 2010-11 his contract provides for a salary of $525,000 - a 5% pay cut. But when you look at the AHL side of the agreement, last year he was paid just $55,000 while this year he is at $105,000, nearly double.
RFA goalie Justin Pogge, 24, acquired at the deadline from the Anaheim Ducks as part of the Aaron Ward trade, had to lower his expectations even further. According to capgeek.com, Pogge received an NHL salary of $605,000 in his one-year contract for 2009-10, while this year he will receive just $500,000. That's 17% pay cut - if he was actually playing a full season in the NHL, which he won't be, so really this figure is more about pride than bank accounts. In contrast, Pogge's AHL salary numbers jump from $70,300 to $85,000 - a 20% raise.
Finally, for Brett Carson, the NHL-level figure also dropped. He has gone from $525,000 in 2009-10 to $500,000 this year. When he's at the AHL level, like Bryan Rodney, his annual pay jumps from $55,000 to $105,000. However, all indications are that Carson, who is also 24, is the most likely of these players to spend the majority of his season on the blueline, paired with the likes of Joni Pitkenan or even Jamie McBain, in Raleigh. This becomes an excellent example of how these negotiations become a guessing game for the player, maximizing his immediate income while also projecting what is best for his career and long-term potential income as a professional hockey player.
My last thought as I was running through these very "relate-able" numbers for the AHL contracts is how much these players (and the majority of professional hockey players in the NHLPA) are living in a whole different world from the nine-figure numbers in the Kovalchuk contract mess. One has to wonder if they consider Kovy's problems as part of their own, or, rather, as a situation that is beyond the limits of where (and how) they ever expect to be negotiating.
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The NHL, the CBA and mid-level to lower level players/prospects
Great work HMof2. Your point about the chasm between the Kovalchuks and the young prospects is really an important point to make. The young prospects and the career grinding players who struggle to find spots are much more of a concern to me personally than the superstars. Under any system, the superstars will receive very substantial compensation.
To some degree, some player agents and hockey commentators seem to want to wish away the fact that hockey owners need to have a balance between their revenue and their salary expenses. The solution, of course, is for revenue from attendance to increase. Increasing attendance is a complicated issue that won’t be fixed across the board in one season. In the meantime as the expiration of the CBA approaches both players and management need to avoid trying to alienate the other side with divisive language or attacks on motives. Nobody will win if another work stoppage occurs. The focus on modifying the CBA needs to include significant focus on ensuring the rights of the mid-level and lower level players are not overlooked or under-appreciated.
Welcome back to the internet by the way :)
Great chart. Puts in perspective the moves in a way most people can understand it.
And I am SERIOUSLY glad we don’t have to deal with the Kovy mess. Let the Jersey’s of the world deal with that.
"...they will not force us...they will stop degrading us...they will not control us...we will be victorious..."
Mah blog.
Trade Cole and Samsonov! Please! Now that we have a substantive reason to point to — aside from their drop-off in play — with the salary dump, get rid of both of them for draft picks.
Who wants them and who wants them without sending any salary back in return?
Is it possible to be addicted to hockey?
JR will certainly be curious as to what Capt. Stinky might know that he might have missed. :-D
Unanswered questions are far less dangerous than unquestioned answers.
Hey, I hope someone does take them. I’d greatly prefer to have more of the younger kids up this season. I’m not as down on the squad next season as I was a few weeks back, what with the additions of Corvo and Carson (re-additions?). I think their value will be highest at the deadline and I think waiting until then may help keep the young players to a level where they can be put in positions to succeed as opposed to being forced to throw some to the wolves as would be the case if two additional spots opened up on the roster.
Is it possible to be addicted to hockey?
Dang it!
I somehow managed to edit out the line at the start about “Perhaps he is hearing the same thing that my sources are telling me and that Gary Bettman will be invalidating their contracts as trying to circumvent the cap.”
Is it possible to be addicted to hockey?
If you were a general manager of an NHL team, would you willingly acquire Sergei Samsonov at $2.8M or Erik Cole at $3M even if only future considerations were going the other way? Of course not. If you needed a mediocre, washed up forward, you could just sign one of the many still available as UFAs for a fraction of that cost.
+3
And i too send you major Kudos HM2…great job and AD the last thing the canes or any team or fan bases need is the talk of a lockout…I have my fingers crossed the the interm NHLPA director will stay on and on a permin bases…he is respected by both sides due to his work with MLB same type of concerns ($$$) and how to get a good deal for the players but not to shot them selves inb the foot when even now the econmy is still in the sewer for many communities…catch yall later..Be Safe !!
And if it Aint Hockey,It Aint Nothin !!
That Checkers 3rd Sweater ROCKS !!!
Great and overlooked point about raises in the AHL vs. cuts in the NHL
It seems clever of Rutherford to control the NHL payroll but motivate players with AHL raises. As you say, Carson probably does lose financially since he’ll be staying on the NHL roster—but he gets to stay on the NHL roster and make his case for next year.
Nothing escapes your eagle eye, HMof2.
by curiouscanesfan on Jul 21, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions
Sort of related to this, Cory’s review of the ‘Canes 2010 draft performance is up at Hockey’s Future, good stuff:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/12263/hurricanes2010_draft_review/
http://www.prosportsblogging.com
by Great Ice-Pectations on Jul 21, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
Two Points
I hope that these ridiculous contracts will vilify themselves and there won’t be any issues in the forthcoming BSA talks
I like the idea of Cole playing the 3rd line with a rookie – that could work. Samsonov, however, on the 4th line is a waste of his talent – they need to ship him.
Samsonov
I feel certain Jim Rutherford would be pleased to trade Samsonov if he could. On the other hand, don’t discount the possibility that Samsonov will have another break out year – which he has been known to do when he is in a contract year.
Cole and Samsonov
Let them play a lot!
If JR want to trades them, they other GM need to see them. Put Cole on the line#2 and Sam on the line#3 with some time on PP. In march,if Cole could be the players he look like few years ago, i’m sure then some GM will be talk with JR and the value could be interesting…like second round draft.. For Samsonov, well, i don’t know. This is the last year contract? I,m not sure..
But, if JR want trade them actually, he will receive nothing… look the value of Simon Gagné.
I know, it’s a guess!! a good year for both will give the kind of opportunity for a good trade.
Great work on that worksheet! And very interesting details on the contracts, too. Carson’s NHL number may be smaller this year but as he has not yet played a full season in the bigs he actually loses nothing, and the two way contract gives the team more flexibility and control. Not surprised to see Samsonov’s name ( and contract) brought up; I earlier wondered why he wasn’t bought out this summer. I guess he is an insurance policy, a yardstick, and a mentor? Hopefully playing with young hungry guys will motivate him.
Credit where it's due
I’ve got to give JR credit, he’s been able to field a better team than I thought would have been possible for $45.85 million. Still some things on defense that worry me and there’s a lot of promise at center (assuming Sutter #2 and Nash #3) and not a lot of results yet, but I don’t think this team will finish in the bottom 5 of the league any longer, barring injuries. Still don’t think the playoffs will happen unless Cam wins a Vezina (or is at least high in the running).
Is it possible to be addicted to hockey?
Just noticed your sig. The answer is YES!! And I’m suffering from some serious withdrawal right now.
"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."
Thanks, me too. I was upset to hear Traverse wouldn’t be televised thinking that would at least bridge the gap until the season started in earnest.
Is it possible to be addicted to hockey?
Maybe there will be an online feed?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I had toyed with the idea of attending it, but I can’t make it work with my schedule.
When does training camp typically start? Early Sept?
"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."
Full Canes training camp – here in Raleigh – starts Fri, Sept 17th.
The Traverse City Tourney is Sat., Sept 11 – Wed, Sept 15th. Not sure when/where everyone connects to practice beforehand. Then they (many, if not all, of them) travel on the 16th back to Raleigh just in time for Camp
Camp Brind`Amour at the RecZone is usually in late August. I would guess that will continue, or it might not.
Does that cover it?
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would bet that Camp Brind’Amour continues, but perhaps not as Camp Brind’Amour. Maybe Staal will take over. Or since he’s such a work out buddy of Rod’s, maybe Rosey.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
In fact, the RecZone master calendar has “Hurricanes Player Skate” listed started the 24th.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Rosey would be wise to take this on. It would make him more valuable to the organization and make it more likely he gets another contract after next season. Not faulting Rosey here, just nothing there are a lot of young kids chomping at the bit and the Team could easily decide to go with a young player to take Rosey’s place.
Is it possible to be addicted to hockey?
Thanks HMof2 and caniacgirl! 51 days until Sept 11. I think I can make it. :0)
"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."
My 3 countdown clocks in my sidebar indicate the first dy of school is in 33 days, 15 hours; Training camp is 56 days, 19 hours, and the First game in Helsinki I have at 76 days and 20 hours.
Does that Helsinki game start at noon or 1pm EDT? (And I highly recommend that the Helsinki-bound among us don’t come back with a show-offey retort like: “I wouldn’t know – I’ll be there and it’ll be 8pm my time”. Or I may not speak to you for until my face is no longer green. I’m kidding of course. sort of.)
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I gave y’all all those dates in one of my last episodes of WHIH and told you to write them down! [harrumphs]
It will always be Camp Brind’Amour to me, regardless of who shows up for it.
That being said, I was reading on another board that if he is made an official member of the coaching staff, he may not be able to participate because the CBA prohibits the team from conducting a camp during the player’s off-season, even if it’s voluntary (exception being prospect camp).
Can anyone confirm?
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That is correct. If he’s a coach it would be a team practice. What I don’t know is if that “coach” category includes all front office personnel. Brind’Amour may be precluded from running the camps no matter what job he finally takes.
My vote for the job Brind’Amour should take: CEO of Awesome. I’d be more than willing to step down so he could take my spot.
Is it possible to be addicted to hockey?
I knew I had seen those dates somewhere… I admit, I was too lazy to go look for them.
I have repented though and added them to my calendar.
"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."
Would that imply...
That Francis and Barrasso are never present?
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 25, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That is correct. No one on the coaching staff is there.
I don’t know who actually pays for the ice time, on the RecZone calendar it always says “Hurricanes Skate”, but it is not an official team event. There are often players who show up that aren’t on the Canes roster, last year Sean Hill and Dennis Seidenberg were there, Bates Battaglia, i think Kai Kantola showed up and skated a couple of years ago. I remember a guy showed up in goal last year that no one could place, turned out it was Jeff Zatkoff, an LA Kings prospect from Miami of Ohio who was in Cary to visit his girlfriend and found out he could hit the practice courtesy of Kevyn Adams.
If was deemed “Camp Brind’Amour” by one of the local message boards a few years ago as an appropriate nickname for the practices, and I see no reason why that name can’t stick even if Mr. Brind’Amour isn’t there.
Phoblographer and Finn Aficionado
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The only two contract possibilities I can see...
Are Skinner and Justin Krueger, whose rights we’ll lose if he’s not signed by 8/1.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
With Krueger in Europe I’m not sure if that’s gonna happen….
I bet they make a decision on Skinner after Traverse City
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by hockeymomof2 on Jul 26, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
No need.
They can sign him to the pro tryout deal to get him up for nine games.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 26, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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