Unsigned UFAs as of August 1, 2010
The question I pose is this: If an NHL GM were allowed to pick any of the NHL UFAs who were unsigned as of
August 1, 2010, is there enough talent in that group of players such that a GM could build a contender around them?
To avoid any possible hint of confusion: Yes, Kovalchuk is indeed an unsigned UFA on August 1, 2010. Yes, he is
unsigned. He counts. He is included. Count Kovalchuk in. Also, note the words, "build a contender around them." That
means can these players serve as the foundation such that with trades, AHL signings, drafting, NCAA signings,
European League signings, and KHL signings, the GM would be able to have a team that is able to get to the playoffs
and go deep into the playoffs. Also, to be absolutely certain there is no hint of misunderstanding, the GM is not
required to win the Stanley Cup straight out of the box with the signings.
My answer to that question is yes, as of August 1, 2010, among the group of human beings living on planet earth,
who were considered unsigned UFAs, they had sufficient talent that around them an NHL GM could build a contending
NHL team. Although permutations of players and lines are entirely proper, one set of lines includes the following as
version #1:
Maxim Afinogenov/ Mike Comrie/Ilya Kovalchuk
Ruslan Fedotenko/Eric Belanger/ Raffi Torres
Lee Stempniak/Kyle Wellwood/Clarke MacArthur
Evgeny Artyukhin/ Tim Kennedy/Jim Slater
Defensemen:
Shaone Morrisonn/Willie Mitchell
Jay McKee/ Marc-Andre Bergeron
Goalies:
Anti Niemi
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1) Kovalchuk turned down a contract to stay with Atlanta. This was confirmed by Don Waddell here. Kovalchuk had no desire to sign with a non-contender. By August 1 he was negotiating with only New Jersey and LA. The chances of an expansion team being able to sign Kovalchuk are slim. Please explain how an expansion team would be able to beat out New Jersey and LA for Kovalchuk’s services.
2) Anti Niemi and Turco are both attached to the Blackhawks. If you signed Turco the Hawks would not have walked away from Niemi. You’ll need to find another goaltender. That shouldn’t be too hard.
3) is this team cap compliant? Many of the players on this list took less to stay with good teams. For an expansion team to sign them they would have to pay a premium. Have you taken this in to account?
4) If these players are on a new team what players fill these roles on other teams? Kovy is with New Jersey. Turco with Chicago. Stempniak with Phoenix. Mitchell is signed. So is Clarke McArthur. What would those other teams do? If you add a team and create wholes on other teams you show only that the talent is too thin. How would the teams that didn’t get these players fill these spots. Particularly difficult will be Kovalchuk and the Devils and Stempniak and the Coyotes. Each of those teams will see a serious reduction in talent without those players.
5) I thought you’ve been contending that two teams would be added. What is the other teams roster? Adding only one team would not work schedule-wise.
6) Even if Kovalchuk is signed to one of these expansion teams who are the other 5 top line players (2 teams with 3 players per top line is six players total)? My contention has been from the start that there is not sufficient top line talent to support two additional NHL teams. You’ve yet to comment on that.
7) If you sign Stempniak from Phoenix and add two new teams that will likely receive revenue sharing next season what are the financial impacts on the Coyotes? Taking a top player from Phoenix will have a negative impact on the Coyotes ability to compete. The inability of the Coyotes will likely have a negative impact on the teams ability to sell tickets as the fan base would be upset a high talent was not retained. The result is a less competitive team that will draw less that will get less revenue sharing because that pot of money is now being split by two additional teams. What happens to the Coyotes? If you add teams but turn the Coyotes in to a non-viable team then you’ve failed.
7) If you say that the Coyotes are kept in business by expansion fees generated by new teams then explain how Stempniak is not re-signed by the Coyotes. Additionally, if all other teams split this money explain how the Predators, Hurricanes, and other teams with a self imposed cap below the NHL cap explain the impact this will have on free agency.
Also, please respond to my analysis of AHL vs NHL attendance in the other thread. It’s been up since about noon yesterday and you’ve posted numerous times on that thread but evaded that post every time. Is there a reason you need to evade that analysis?
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by C-Leaguer on Sep 1, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
In my opinion, if they added an expansion team in Canada in a viable location, it would be a huge draw and very successful. Take Toronto which is sold out every single game… put a team in Hamilton or a similar location about 25-50 miles away and you could pack another arena easily if it was planned right. I highly doubt it would be an Atlanta type situation where no players would want to go. I agree there probably isn’t enough talent for 2 more teams, but I disagree that no one would want to go to an expansion. Do we really need two teams in Florida, for example, when an extra team in Canada might make the NHL more money?
Check out the link below to the series done by TSN and the Globe and Mail. They found it unlikely that smaller markets would be viable markets. Interestingly enough a second Toronto team was rated as the worst locations. The reason for this was that the upfront costs which would include a new arena, an expansion or relocation fee, and purchasing territorial rights from the Leafs would cost upwards of $1billion dollars. (Remember expansion fees would be close to 200 to 250 million in Toronto, an arena would be at least $400 million). The analysis said that a second team in Toronto could never overcome the debt service for such an undertaking.
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I didn’t say literally a 2nd team in Toronto… I said the surrounding area. I think you are confused there.
Again, read the Globe and Mail/TSN study. They looked at a second team in Metro Toronto and one in Hamilton. Both scored poorly. The two other cities, Winnipeg and Quebec City, scored better but the conclusion was that neither would likely be viable.
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Reposting Link
The study is here. Remember, as I note below, that TSN and the Globe and Mail are at best objective and in all likelihood in favor of more teams in Canada. If their analysis can’t make the case for additional Canadian teams I don’t know whose analysis can.
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Also, Buffalo is in that area too, and Ottawa not too far away. Detroit is just on the other side as well. Five hockey teams in basically Ontario is tough.
by red army line on Sep 1, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Two teams in Florida is what is tough. Expansion fees and the cost that article mentions will be present in any location. It doesn’t change the fact that another team in Canada is a million times more viable than the present ones in Miami, Phoenix, or Atlanta.
Again, I agree there isn’t enough talent to spread out 2 more teams, but that still doesn’t change the fact that another team in Canada would be more successful in almost any case than some of the existing franchises.
I could definitely get behind relocating teams to Canada. If Phoenix was moved to Quebec it would be almost viable, which is a damn site better than the current condition it’s in. If the Coyotes were to move they would need less revenue sharing which means there would be more to spread around to other teams.
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C-Leaguer, I am still laughing at your posts on the other thread – they are absolutely hysterical!!!! As you know, I definitely understand your frustration in dealing with Abrams. I have made the mistake of posting on his comments, and still do, but now I do so purely to elicite another child like response.
Children are capable of supporting ideas and beliefs, but they are not necessarily able to respond to objections to them. Sometimes, in the latter position, they become frustrated and resort to personal attacks. Its a self preservation mechanism that usually goes away with maturity.
In otherwords, don’t waste your time. Kids will be Kids.
by PittsburghCaniac on Sep 2, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim Kennedy was signed by the Rangers yesterday.
"The increase in pain is way beyond what you would expect a person to play with," said coach Paul Maurice. "Unfortunately it’s even beyond what Tim Gleason can play with, because he can play with just about anything."
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AHL signings, drafting, NCAA signings,
European League signings, and KHL signings
Who are these players. If a player in the Euro leagues or KHL was able and willing to play in the NHL now why aren’t they? You can’t simply claim there is talent over there so I can count that. You need to show how and why they would come over. Given that they are not over now it would appear that the players in those leagues are either 1)incapabale of playing effectively at the NHL level, or 2) unwilling to come play in the NHL. I’m not certain how adding a team affects that.
Yes, Kovalchuk is indeed an unsigned UFA on August 1, 2010. Yes, he is
unsigned. He counts. He is included. Count Kovalchuk in.
You cannot simply stipulate this and consider it a thought experiment for supporting expansion. There is always talent on the free agent market. In this new CBA there is always the ability to build a team from free agents. Montreal turned over half of their team last year and was able to compete and go deep in to the playoffs. Saying that there is talent on the market to build a team is not the same as saying there is sufficient talent to expand. You can shuffle a deck of cards all you want, that doesn’t mean you’ll somehow get to viable decks. Or, if you prefer this, you can shuffle 30 decks of cards all you want that doesn’t mean you’ll get 32 viable decks. Every one of those 32 decks will be missing a few cards.
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Check out this wrap up from the TSN and Globe and Mail joint series titled “Why Not Canada?” which examined the viability of new teams in Canada.
Below is a direct quote from the article:
The NHL Salary Cap will be $58.5 million during the 2010-11 season. So could smaller markets such as Quebec City and Winnipeg afford to compete at the cap, along side the NHL’s other six franchises. Probably not.
Now, TSN and the Globe and Mail are in Canada. At the very least they are objective and in all actually are probably somewhat support the idea of having more teams in Canada. Inspite of all this and using the best analysis available to them they found that smaller Canadian markets are likely not able to support an NHL franchise at current salary cap levels. On top of this their analysis assumed a sell out for all 41 regular season home games. While that is not out of the question it’s certainly not assured.
So even under the best of circumstances two new teams in Canada are likely to need revenue sharing to be viable. If those two teams are to get revenue sharing then that will eat in to the pie of revenue sharing funds thereby reducing the funds available to Phoenix, Nashville, Atlanta and Florida. This will put these teams in an even deeper hole when it comes to trying to compete which could further reduce the ability of those teams to compete which could increase the need for revenue sharing funds which would then ripple throughout the NHL as a whole.
Financially the NHL cannot afford to expand. The NHL would be better off from a financial perspective in relocating the most struggling franchises (Phoenix and Atlanta) to markets where they will at the least struggle less, and potentially be economically viable. If the NHL could move two teams this would reduce the number of locations that could support expansion teams also further limiting the leagues ability to expand.
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by C-Leaguer on Sep 1, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Grammar fix
Form just under the block quote:
Now, TSN and the Globe and Mail are in Canada. At the very least they are objective and in all actuality are probably somewhat in support the of the idea of having more teams in Canada.
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You need to update your list, there’s a number of guys signed – Afinogenov (KHL), Kovie (they’re going to accept the new contract), Torres, Stempniak, Mitchell, McArthur, and Kennedy. As a GM it depends on what you need plus there’s not a lot of high talent left:
http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.php
He’s using the list from August 1. I don’t know why, but that’s what he’s using. He’s also maintaining that because Kovy was unsigned as of August 1 that he was willing to sign with an expansion team even though he rejected a contract from Atlanta that was higher than the contract he signed the first time in New Jersey. His justification for this is because he said so.
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I have no idea. It’s what Doug is doing. I’m not fighting him on his assumptions. He’s going to chose them and say anyone is evading if they deny his assumptions. If he wants to play that way I’ll allow it. I think the case against expansion is so strong that Doug can name his conditions and still not prove expansion is a good idea.
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by C-Leaguer on Sep 1, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ya, that was borderline ridiculous. From a number standpoint 32 makes sense, 2 nice even conferences, but with the number of struggling franchises and the fact no one is really making money hand over fist, contraction is prudent. The product would be better, you can’t argue that.
I can definitely see the benefits to scheduling and operations by going to 32 teams. With 4 8 team divisions then you could play each team in your division 6 times (7 * 6 = 42 games) every team in the other division in your conference 4 times ( 8 * 4= 32 games) and then one entire division in the other conference (1 * 8 = 8 games) to get to an 82 game schedule. There would be no unbalanced schedules. There could be divisional playoffs which would increase rivalries. With 4 divisions you could go back to the old division names (Adams, Norris, Patrick, Smythe).
The money, as you note, is indeed the biggest issue. Phoenix, Nashville and Florida are struggling. Atlanta is okay, but only because it’s by Atlanta Spirit. If the ownership ever gets tired of losing money the Thrashers won’t have it so good. Add to it that not even TSN/Globe and Mail can make a case for additional teams in Canada being viable and you wonder how anyone could think that expansion could be supported financially.
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James Mirtle is 100% certain Eric Belanger is already a Capital. So take him off too, along with Kovy and one of Niemi/Turco.
Using the lineup you listed, I see
1st line forwards: Ilya Kovalchuk
2nd line forwards: Maxim Afinigenov
bottom six forwards: the rest
Top pair D: Willie Mitchell
2nd pair D: none
5/6/7/8 D: the rest
Solid starting goalies: none
average starting goalies better suited to be a backup: Antti Niemi, Marty Turco
This team is going to suck like the 1st-year Capitals.
Sorry, but saying Antti Niemi is “better suited as a backup” is a little ridiculous. Calling him a backup would be like saying Cam Ward was better suited as our backup after the 05-06 season. Niemi is a proven goalie, first Finnish goalie ever to win a Stanley Cup, first Rookie goalie to win a Cup since Cam (who was the first to do it since Patrick Roy). Hell, I’d even say Turco is a solid starter.
Cam Ward won the Conn Smythe Trophy. He was stellar in those playoffs.
Niemi was strong against San Jose and nothing special in the other series. He had a couple of good streaks here and there, but his numbers are just that. Backup. Average. If anything, the Hawks won in spite of him (not really, but close). At Niemi’s age, you can’t even expect much improvement.
Turco is kind of old and his numbers have been declining the past two years.
by red army line on Sep 1, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyways, I said “average.” They can start, but basically among starters there are a few elites and a big clump of goalies who are really close in talent, which is clear if you compare even strength save percentage The elites are probably Vokoun, Lundqvist, Hiller, Luongo, Brodeur, maybe Rask. Everyone else is in the other part. Niemi may be even lower than that. People forget he’d been an NHL starter for about 4 months prior to July 1.
by red army line on Sep 1, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
What you actually said was “better suited as a backup”. Turco and Niemi are proven #1 goalies in the NHL. Yes, winning a Cup as a starter makes you a proven #1. Hiller (really?) is not an elite NHL goalie and Rask is completely unproven. Granted, I think Rask is probably the best young goalie in the league and better than Niemi… He still doesn’t have a Cup and looked just awful in the Playoffs. Boston’s goalie stats are largely a product of Claude Julian’s system in the first place (See Tim Thomas: Vezina Winner to scrub in one offseason flat).
Luongo is the most overrated goalie in the NHL, coincidentally also the biggest Playoff choke. Brodeur’s best days are behind him as he seems to be choking hardcore these days too.
“Average starting goalies”
I do think if you’re nothing special you’re better suited to be a backup. I mean, you can pick up such a goalie off of waivers on in FA all the time—Theodore, Nabokov (though now it’s too late for him), etc. Turco once was starting caliber, Niemi never was. And if Chicago goes through the SCF with Niemi in net again, everything else about Chicago the same (offense, defense) except goalie performance, Philly is winning that series.
Hiller is vastly underrated. Guys at Behind the Net found that even strength save percentage is the type of sv% that best indicates how good a goalie is, and Hiller is 2nd or 3rd since the lockout, while having playing the requisite sample of four years by now (I’m fairly sure).
by red army line on Sep 1, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemi was a Rookie this year! In his first year in the NHL he won a Stanley Cup as a starting goalie… I think it is a little early to throw him under the bus. It is not uncommon for Finnish goaltenders to wait till a later age to come to the NHL. I’m not saying he is an elite goalie (Chicago had one of the best D in the league), he is simply a reliable starting goalie who obviously can deal with the pressures of Playoff hockey.
Hiller really hasn’t proven to be that spectacular as a consistent winner or Playoff goalie. Anaheim was plain awful last year in Hiller’s first full season as an NHL starter. When I think of elite goaltender’s I think of Miller, Lundqvist, and Brodeur (although fading). Cam Ward is an elite Playoff goalie, at worst he would be anyone’s equal in a series. Tuukka Rask has a good shot, but he could easily have a sophomore slump similar to Steve Mason (who I think could shake out to be an elite goaltender also).
Hiller—did you see him in 2009? He shut down San Jose. Terrific stuff then. He’d started most of that season.
Really? He was twenty-six. You don’t get much better than you are at that age. Anyways, there is zero reason to expect something better from him. SJS signed him, and I bet Nittymaki is the starter.
Speaking of Finns, I forgot Kipper. His numbers are great too.
by red army line on Sep 1, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair shutting down San Jose in the Playoffs is not that hard… They are pretty much a running joke in that situation.
I tend to disagree that goalies don’t get better at 26… I’m of the opinion that goalies actually hit their prime around 27-29.
As far as Finns go I think Pekka Rinne and Nicklas Backstrom (off-year last year) are both great goalies also. Yet Niemi remains the only Finnish goalie in NHL history to win a Cup.
A Cup is a team achievement. Otherwise, you’re using Max Talbot logic.
You’re right about peaking, but also realize when you’re looking at a rookie’s numbers for Niemi, you’re comparing him against goalies 4-5 years younger, maybe more, in many cases.
by red army line on Sep 1, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Pekka Rinne is 27 (also a sophomore in the NHL, Finnish Goaltender to hit the NHL late) and Backstrom is 32 (Who came to the NHL as a 28 year old). Like I said, Finnish goalies in particular peak later…. Most goalies hit their peak in the 28-30 year old region.
I expect Cam Ward to peak at about that age range and therefore still be developing, do you not?
I don’t buy it. I think goalies can stay in their prime longer—maybe 26-33 or so—but if you’re not good at 26, you won’t be good. Guys like Lundqvist, Backstrom, Rinne, etc, were already very very good.
by red army line on Sep 2, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemi was a strong consideration for the Conn Smythe also (you act as if he wasn’t)… Johnathan Toews stole the award with his performance. Niemi had a 2.25 GAA and a 0.912 Save % last year in 39 games, those are very good regular season numbers for a rookie goalie. Oh yeah, and he won a CUP. How many “elite” goalies fall flat on their faces in the Playoffs?
No, he wasn’t. Briere, Toews, Pronger, and Keith. Those four. No way anyone else was remotely in the discussion.
Chicago had an elite defense. GAA is worthless here.
Sv pct is kind of misleading as well, since it combines evens and special teams. On special teams, SH sh% (SH shots by the other team) has a small sample size. PP sv% (other team on PP) is heavily influenced by the team’s overall PK. For a lot of the top goalies, their team PKs sucked, so guys like Vokoun get sucked down quite a bit. At evens, Niemi was .914, 50th overall and among guys who played at least 35 games it was 24th. What does it tell you when the Caps had all three of their goalies ahead of Niemi in that metric?
How many "elite" goalies fall flat on their faces in the Playoffs?
Not a great example (and exactly 1: Luongo, but on the other hand Dryden, Roy, Brodeur won Cup after Cup). You may have 5 elite goalies a year, but 16 teams make the playoffs (3-5 of those teams of elites). It’s small sample. Giguere was elite, I think, when he won the Cup (and the Smythe), and so was Khabibulin. Hasek was still pretty good even in 2008 (just injury prone), and before that you get to the Avs-Wings-Devils period.
Of the 55 Stanley Cup titles won before Washington joined the league, Hall of Fame goaltenders won 46 of them
What you need is your goalie to get hot. Better goalies get hot more often. Worse goalies are hit and miss. Niemi almost missed. I don’t know how you can’t see that.
He wasn’t even Chicago’s undisputed starter all season. He only got the job because Huet was so bad.
by red army line on Sep 1, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This just got a little more interesting with Niemi just now signing in San Jose. The Sharks with a Cup winning goalie could be a dangerous team…
Great signing, he should be a perfect fit with Niittymaki (sp). That may be the piece they were missing.
I don’t get it. They have the top German goalie in Greiss too. I thought he’d be up. Maybe not.
by red army line on Sep 1, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Gee here i thought
AD had and did pretty much explain things as and like another post the other day…this is a what if a prentend for a moment question…as a fan i’m glad none of us here or who did post were GM’s for any team…except a echl one possibly…not being ugly or mean spirited…but was sorta perplexed…that no one not even myself now has done what AD asked us all to consider and tell the CC crowd how one would pick…not why…just who…
personally i’d go with all what AD had except on the Defence…as i’d wold have picked oh gees what a freaking time for a senior moment…it wqs a d-man who went to edmonton just before 8/01…time for bed for this panty waiste…hehehe…good night all
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Picking a team is all well and good, but it doesn’t solve the financial problems of the league nor does it answer what impact this new teams will have on the existing NHL teams. As I noted above, Montreal turned over half their roster last season. There is always the ability to create a good team solely from free agents under this CBA. That alone isn’t cause for expansion.
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Good Morning C-Leaguer
I know you 7 doug aren’t on the best of terms…but he did ask as straight forward thing IF you or me were to pick a team who would it be and he set certain paramiters…again NOT defending Doug…but just pointing it was a make believe excercise basically…how hard could that have been for any of us here…we just had to do some homework to see who was yet unsigned as of aug.1,2010…between all the outlets all of us have acess to…is oe was that too tough to do ? again NOT defending Doug but this sorta reminds me of when one used to fill out a paper job application and the person said says Read the directions before you fill it out…and you know how often the application wasn’t done according to the directions…and what happend huh ??
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he did ask as straight forward thing IF you or me were to pick a team who would it be and he set certain paramiters…again NOT defending Doug…but just pointing it was a make believe excercise basically
That’s actually not what he asked. He maintained that the NHL should expand to 32 teams and kept pointing to the UFA talent available as proof. It was Elsker, Red Line Army, Myself and others who asked him to do this.
but just pointing it was a make believe excercise basically…how hard could that have been for any of us here…we just had to do some homework to see who was yet unsigned as of aug.1,2010…between all the outlets all of us have acess to…is oe was that too tough to do ?
It’s actually not that hard to do, that’s why I don’t understand why it took Doug so long to do it.
and you know how often the application wasn’t done according to the directions…and what happend huh ??
Are you trying to imply I didn’t read something? If you are I would suggest that you re-read the previous thread and this one again. Doug has maintained that there is sufficient talent for the NHL to expand to 32 teams. While he’s made a step in naming this team, that’s all it is. It does not prove the talent level nor does it prove that expansion is better than staying put. He’s named only one of the two expansion teams he’s saying the NHL can support. There is still another team to make. Furthermore, once those teams are made there will be holes on existing teams. Please read my first post on this thread for unanswered questions still left for Doug.
I have maintained from the start that there are too many negative financial repurcussions for the NHL to expand and a lack of the paying customer to pay for diluted talent. I’ve provided evidence to the negative financial repurcussions by citing the TSN/Globe and Mail study which shows that no new teams can be supported in Canadian markets. I’ve provided evidence on the paying customers desire to see top line talent by comparing NHL and AHL attendance figures and further showing how attendance at NHL games in cities where there is an NHL and AHL team is significantly higher than AHL games.
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by C-Leaguer on Sep 2, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
If 2 more teams joined the league, almost every team would get weaker. Yeah the two new teams would be competitive because the existing teams would have a more diluted roster.
Hell, the Canes have one top line forward and will fill the rest of that line with 2nd line players. The Panthers barely have one top line player now. If two more teams were added, would we be filling our top 6 with 3rd line players? Wait, didn’t we do that at the end of last season? I think LaRose saw some top line time.
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by PackPride17 on Sep 3, 2010 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Comrie off the list
So, with Mike Comrie being absorbed by the Penguins today, AD’s unsigned-UFA contender team is now down to Eric Belanger for its first line center, with Kyle Wellwood available if when Eric hits the IR list from being regularly pounded by first-pairing D-men.
Be afraid.
Here we are now...entertain us.
Heh, and Belanger according to James Mirtle has already agreed to sign with Washington (apparently McPhee is trying to work out a trade and not having Belanger officially on the roster gives him maximum leverage in dealing a forward).
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