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Ask A Scout: Answers To Your Questions About Carolina’s Prospects, Part 1

Justin Faulk, drafted in the second round by the Carolina Hurricanes, is interviewed during day two of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft. Red Line Report scout Max Giese thinks the Hurricanes will be able to build their future defense around Faulk and second-year pro Jamie McBain. (Photo by Jeff Gross/Getty Images)

Red Line Report scout Max Giese was nice enough to field questions from Canes Country's readers about Carolina's prospects and the players chosen in June's entry draft. We received several questions and Max was kind of enough to sift through them and answer as many as he could.

Because he answered so many, it will be broken into two parts. Some questions have been edited for clarity and style. Here is Part 1.

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Defenseman Rasmus Rissanen would be good to learn about. (from hockeymomof2)

Giese: Rissanen was a good find in the sixth round. He's an underrated, take charge type of defenseman. His offensive upside is limited, but you need defenseman who can give you 10 to 15 good minutes a night and that's where Rissanen projects to be a valuable asset to the Hurricanes. He has good size and is only going to get stronger, but most of all it's his toughness, shot blocking, physicality and willingness to sacrifice his body for the betterment of the team that makes him a promising prospect. His assertive nature and willingness to work makes it possible that he could reach a higher upside than what is expected out of a sixth rounder.

A player that often gets overlooked is Chris Terry.  In his second to last junior season, he had 101 points and then in his final year he had 94 points in just 53 games.  He was captain on the team and won several leadership and community awards.  He seems like a class kid and a natural leader.  He is not big, but at 5'10 and now close to 200 pounds, he is big enough.  He also had a solid rookie campaign in Albany last year.  The question is, is he a legitimate NHL prospect or one of these kids who was a great junior but destined to spend his career in the minors?  (sittler22).

Giese: Terry doesn't have some of the measurables you look for in a player but he has great hockey sense and character, which you can't teach. Any late round pick is a long shot to make the NHL but it's usually the character kids that make it. How quickly does he make the NHL? I'm not sure. But if you're asking if he's going to get a shot I would say yes, and since he's added more depth to his game away from the puck over the years and the leadership and character he has that you hit on, he could develop into a solid depth player.

Do you have access to any information on Mattias Lindstrom’s condition post-injury? Is he an NHL prospect? Among Lindstrom, Jared Staal and Oskar Osala, which do you think most likely to succeed in the NHL as an immovable object near the net? (from curiouscanesfan)

Giese: Mattias Lindstrom is the mostly likely to succeed in the NHL as an unmovable object near the net. He reminds me a little bit of Tomas Holmstrom. The knee injury he suffered is a slight concern because the knock on him has always been his lack of acceleration. But he's a skilled and physical big man who drives the net and plants himself there at every opportunity. He's also a smart defensive player who can cycle the puck. It's rare to find players who can play outside of the dots and score, so what's most attractive about Lindstrom's package is that he can play within the dots and that should help him translate to the NHL.

Osala has all the physical tools to be a goal scoring net presence, but he seems to lack the willingness to do it on a consistent basis. Jared Staal has the tools as well but seems to lack the internal drive and toughness to get the task done in front of the cage.

I’m also wondering if Dumoulin’s outstanding performance at Boston College this year suggests he should have gone higher than the late second round, or do you think that would still be about right for him? (from curiouscanesfan)

Giese: Dumoulin was fantastic this year for Boston College and most definitely he would go much higher than late in the second round if the draft was done over again. It's pretty rare to find such a big defenseman who can push the puck and bring the offense the way he can. Coming into the draft NHL scouts had been following him for two years or so. His coming out party of sorts was the Chicago High School Showcase in 2008, and he was very good the next summer at the Select 17's and at the Ivan Hlinka tournament. Still though, playing against a low level of competition in the EJHL tempered his stock at the draft, plus he was raw defensively and still quite gangly. A year of a lot of practicing and weight training at BC has aided his development immensely, and his rapid transition from a dominant EJHL player to a dominant Hockey East defenseman was very impressive. He might only need one more year of school before tackling the pros. Last year Patrick Wiercioch (Ottawa Senators prospect) dominated as a sophomore for Denver and is regarded as a high-end prospect, I expect Dumoulin to dominate next season in a similar fashion and he will begin to get the notoriety he deserves.

Clearly scouting isn’t an exact science. Do scouts consider themselves successful if they’re sort of right about 90 percent of the players? Exactly right about 20 percent? Is there a rule of thumb? How does that rule of thumb compare with the way scouts evaluate team drafts? (from curiouscanesfan)

Giese: You're correct scouting is not an exact science. In my opinion being a good scout is a lot like being a good player. There is a certain element of natural ability that goes into it but more than anything it's having passion for the game and being willing to work harder than the scout next to you. Grading a scout's success is difficult. I think the low-end goal of any scout is to not miss on the high-end guys in your territory. For example, the USHL was my main focus this year and I was relieved to see Jaden Schwartz go high in the first-round because that's where I had him slotted. You don't want to miss on those guys. That said, the true test of any scout is the ability to find the diamond in the rough. I think fans would be surprised how much energy is exhausted by scouts every year to uncover late-round gems. As a scout, if you can locate a player in the fourth to seventh round that turns into an every day player in the NHL, then I would consider that scout a successful one. So part of the job is trying to slot in players to their correct values, but my favorite part is going out to games and locating that player that I feel strongly about in a positive way when others are ready to write him off.

I’d like to get Max's impression of the Canes’ drafting in general, anything he’s noticed in particular, how he sees our approach to the draft, our strategies with early round picks versus depth, something along those lines, just to see an outside perspective. (from LTD)

Giese: Carolina has been one of the better teams at the draft table in recent years and their 2010 Draft Class ranked first overall in Red Line Report's draft review. I think their staff does a great job identifying a player's value. Carolina rarely reaches on a player and they also come away with some players in the late rounds that you wonder how they slipped so far. So I think their staff should be commended for getting good value with each pick. I know they took some heat for the Philippe Paradis pick a year ago but I recently attended the Chicago Blackhawks’ Prospect Development Camp and Paradis was one of the more impressive forwards there. He might not be a top-line skill guy but he has some athleticism, range and he loves to work hard. In the late '90s through 2001 the Hurricanes went through a funk of bad drafts, but since 2002 they've become one of the top drafting teams.

Of the players drafted by the Canes, which one(s) do you think will surprise us the most?  Disappoint us the most?  Which prospect do you think will have the best impact on the Canes?

Giese: I don't know if you can consider second-round picks a surprise but I really think Jamie McBain and Justin Faulk are going to become defensemen that Carolina can build their defensive corps around. McBain is a skilled and intelligent two-way defenseman that will quarterback the powerplay and is going to surprise some people with his quiet effectiveness on defense. Down the road expect Justin Faulk's point blast and open-ice hits to be feared around the league. On the downside, I'm still not sold on Mike Murphy, even after he dominated the OHL and transitioned well to the AHL. I love his quickness, Gumby-like athleticism, and his competitive spirit, but his erratic technique and inability to fill the net is going to hurt him in the NHL. And this is coming from someone whose favorite player of all time is Arturs Irbe. I just don't see Murphy being this sleeper, future NHL goaltender that some project him to be. Goaltenders are so hard to predict though.

If you were the Canes GM would you have chosen differently than Jim Rutherford did, and who? (from CaniacSteve)

Giese: In all honesty, it wasn't until the sixth round of the 2010 Draft that I didn't like a pick by the Hurricanes. At the draft, it seemed like every time Carolina made a selection, a couple of other Red Line scouts and I would look at each other and nod in agreement that it was a nice pick. Goalie Frederik Andersen was a great pick in the seventh, but maybe in the sixth they could've grabbed someone like Brendan Woods or Chris Crane out of the USHL. But that might be my Midwest U.S. bias coming out.

Can you give your opinions on Jeff Skinner in terms of NHL readiness? Do you feel he could use another year in major junior, or would he be better served jumping right in? We saw it happen with Brandon Sutter because Red Deer was in horrible shape that year. Are the Kitchener Rangers (Skinner's OHL team) in a similar situation? Also can you give your view on him being a wing or a center? Skinner has said he prefers center but has played wing in tournaments. Do you feel he would be better served moving over, especially given the centers the organization has? (from aphillips)

Giese: The Hurricanes are in a nice spot with Skinner. In many ways he's ready for the NHL and would most definitely score enough goals this year (especially on the power play) to justify him staying with the big club out of camp. But at the same time if he goes back to Kitchener, he's going to a great program with a good supporting cast and he could work on further developing his skating and defensive play. Either way, expect Skinner to get the nine-game tryout and the Canes can take it from there. At the NHL level Skinner is going to play the wing. He doesn't have the range or defensive skills to line up against the premiere centers in the league. Plus Carolina already has their franchise center in Eric Staal, so Skinner is a lock to play the wing in the NHL. Goal scorers like Skinner are rare to find, and you don't want to overwhelm him with other responsibilities that come with playing center in the pro game. His game is tailored for the wing in the NHL and he should develop into a dominant scorer at that position.

In your view are Riley Nash and Zac Dalpe ready for the NHL? What are the strengths and areas in need of improvement for both? (from abramsdoug)

Giese: Nash was a great value pickup in exchange for a second-round pick at the draft. Plus he's a mature and well-developed package, so there wasn't the risk involved that comes with drafting an 18-year-old kid. He's a very crafty and sly offensive player with great patience. His hands are quick and soft, and his ability to slow the pace of the play down when the puck is on his blade is something you can't teach. He's willing to get into traffic, but pro traffic is a lot different than ECAC traffic. The schedule tends to wear down rookies out of the NCAA, so Nash's skill and hockey sense could get him a cup of tea in the NHL this year, but overall I expect him to spend the majority of the season in the AHL so he can adapt to the rigors of the pro game's physicality. Either way he's a real nice prospect to have and he was very good for Cornell when I saw them late in the season at the ECAC tournament.

I didn't get to see enough of Ohio State this year to give you an honest answer on Dalpe. I saw a lot of Ohio State when Dalpe was a freshman because I needed to go and see Corey Elkins, who was a hot commodity in the free agent market at the time. As a freshman Dalpe was good but not great. Solid but not dominant. However, I hear he was great and was dominant as a sophomore but I wasn't able to see it first hand. Then he goes on and scores six goals in his first nine pro games — that's outstanding. Scouts highly value and put a lot of stock into a player's ability to transition to a higher level of play quickly. Dalpe should be back and fourth between Carolina and Albany this year.

Read Part 2 here.

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Interesting thought about Nash spending time in the AHL to get used to the rigors of the pro game. Maybe he and Dalpe share that third line center spot this season.

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by C-Leaguer on Aug 4, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Good set up here Cory

And I do agree with most of what he said…and C-Leaguer..i too would expect to see the same thing…

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by CaniacSteve on Aug 4, 2010 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks very much, Max, for such thoughtful, detailed, and clear answers. Where you saw weaknesses, your answers about the Canes’ prospects didn’t pull punches. That made your comments about player strengths all the more credible.

I especially liked your comment about enjoying the quest for a 4th to 7th round player who makes it in the NHL. As fans, we get to root for some of those guys to make it. I appreciate the work you put in to find them. I hope your comment on Rissanen puts him in your favorite category, whether or not you personally found him.

Thanks also for reducing some of the mystery about Mattias Lindstrom after his lost season. It’s good to know that of the Canes’ big forward prospects, at least one may someday fill what is now a glaring need.

If you have time for a follow-up, I’d ask this: How often do you see players who lack drive or willingness to go into tough areas change for the better? In your experience, are these types of players lost causes?
 

by curiouscanesfan on Aug 4, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Article

Max and Cory,

  Great article. Max, thanks very much for taking the time to answer our questions. It does seem that Osala and Jared Staal can be as good as they have the will to be. If they find within themselves the desire to take the physical beating necessary to carry the puck to the net and battle in the dots on a consistent basis, they will be impact players. Your report on Lindstrom is much appreciated.

by abramsdoug on Aug 4, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

This is fantastic – thanks to Cory and Max for putting this together. I’ll be re-reading it for the next couple days. Awesome.

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 4, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Dissapointing to hear his take on Murphy… But as he said goalies are near impossible to peg (just look at Leighton). He sounds pretty confident though that Skinner will be a future Winger to Staal which is consistent with what many here feel. I agree totally, Skinner could easily stay on the team and put up the points to justify his spot but he could always use the development in the Juniors to grow physically and mentally. I guess we will see what he can do in his trial.

Interesting take on Dumoulin joining us after this season too, I’m sure he could do it… It is more a question if he wants to. I really like Justin Faulk’s attitude, almost interview he gives he states his intentions to play for the Canes whenever they want him whether that be next year or the year after. If he has a bang-up year I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to see him make the transition also. He seems to be doing quite well in the WJC camp.

by JussiJuice on Aug 4, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Justin Faulk

Just checked his birthdate and it’s March 20, 1992, so he becomes eligible for AHL action (age 20 minimum) in 2012.

That means he could possibly catch the tail end of the ‘11-’12 season in Charlotte, after his sophomore year’s season was over, if he was so inclined.

Or, I suppose technically he could do the same with the big club, before turning 20, although that seems an unnecessary reach.

Here we are now...entertain us.

by Elsker on Aug 4, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was just saying I like his attitude that he is making himself available whenever we need him. I’d love to hear the same thing from Dumoulin (althought I’m guessing he has probably said something to the effect).

by JussiJuice on Aug 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that it’s nice to hear a willingness to make the jump to the pros when deemed ready.

Not sure we’ve heard the same willingness expressed from Dumoulin, but haven’t heard anything expressing reluctance either. So, probably no news is good news.

Here we are now...entertain us.

by Elsker on Aug 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice to have a third party opinion on players. Thanks Max for your time!

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by Bob Wage on Aug 4, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks!

Thanks for putting this together, glad my question was asked and loved the answer. I love the opinions of good scouts on our prospects. The read on Paradis is interesting! I know a lot of us were down on that draft choice but maybe JR and his scouting staff saw a diamond in the rough but weren’t able to keep that prospect with the trade option they had open to them. Knowing JR if things fall into place I wouldn’t be shocked to see Paradis back into the fold.

Skinner and Dalpe (being an OSU alumni) are the two guys in our system I’m most excited about. I watched a lot of OSU games on the Big Ten network and Ohio feeds and was really impressed with the way he controlled the game. This could be a really fun year to be a season ticket holder!

by aphillips on Aug 4, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting Facts:

4 Teams right now (Vancouver, NJ, Calgary, and Boston) are currently at negative Cap space, two teams (Philly and the Rangers) have less than $500k in Cap space, and Chicago has $3 million Cap space to sign a minimum of 4 players. Most of the rest of the teams in the league are in deep financial trouble and are held to pretty strict budgets… With all these teams literally being forced to make trades to get under the Cap when they can recieve basically no salary in return, I’m thinking there will be some real bargains on the trade market. Not saying we will be involved, but JR does love being thrifty if an oportunity presents itself.

by JussiJuice on Aug 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Faulk two goals against Sweden last night; Dumoulin an assist

Consistent with Max’s praise for Faulk and Dumoulin, both showed up on the scoresheet at the world junior camp in the USA’s first game.

Faulk’s shot must be something. Scoresheet.

Faulk is number 2; Dumoulin is 7.

The USA team plays Finland today. Let’s hope RIssanen, Kivisto, Faulk and Dumoulin all see action.

by curiouscanesfan on Aug 4, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

great read Max, thanks. And being unbiased in his reviews makes it that much more credible. Also like how he did point out some weaknesses or things to work on for players, without ripping the player apart.

Can’t wait for Part II.

by sticker on Aug 4, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll need to read and re-read this a couple of times, lots of great information here, and it’s very welcome to have the perspective from a more neutral third party as to the quality of the recent drafts and prospects in the system. And on balance it certainly sounded positive to me which is great news!

Thanks Cory and Max for doing this, much appreciated!

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by Jamie Kellner on Aug 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh really ???? hehehe

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by CaniacSteve on Aug 4, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I said more neutral. Implying there was neutrality elsewhere.

:-p

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by Jamie Kellner on Aug 4, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matsumoto is out of the Midwest

If it’s not too late for a question for Max, I want to take advantage of his expertise on players out of the Midwest. Max, did you see Jonathan Matsumoto play at Bowling Green? If so, do you see him as an NHL player and a real competitor with Nash and Dalpe?

And Cory, let me add my thanks for putting this thread together.

Will you be updating your prospect rankings at Hockey’s Future? I’m looking forward to seeing how you compare the Canes’ growing collection of prospects.

by curiouscanesfan on Aug 5, 2010 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll probably be e-mailing with max to thank him again and I’ll see if he has thoughts on Matsumoto.

As for HF — I just submitted my top 20 yesterday for peer evaluation. Without a doubt this was the hardest to do b/c there was such an influx of players from the last rankings. Not only do drafted players need to find a slot, but Nash, Sanguinetti, Osala and Staal are all part of the mix, too. A lot of guys fell dow the list w/o really doing anything to hurt themselves.

The article will prolly post in the next week or so.

by Cory Lavalette on Aug 5, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for relaying my question. Max has been more than generous; anything he offers on Matsumoto will be a bonus. I kind of got a hopeful hunch that Matsumoto might be one of those guys that Max saw in the hinterlands and believed in, even though Matsumoto wasn’t really a hidden gem.

I really look forward to your rankings of the prospects. With all the new players, it had to be tough for you. I don’t see how it’s possible to rank the prospects in an objectively fair way. Whether you rank a guy 3rd or 19th, I’m most interested in what you have to say about each prospect.

by curiouscanesfan on Aug 5, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I’m hearing out of Team Canada camp, I’ll be surprised if Skinner doesn’t move to #1.

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 5, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given Skinner’s high draft position, I guess any other outcome would be a disappointment. That doesn’t diminish the abilities of Boychuk, McBain and the rest of the top prospects.

Truth be told, I’d like to see two kinds of rankings, however imperfect. First, rank in order of potential. Second, rank in order of NHL-readiness. Along with cost issues, those are the two considerations that the Canes have to weigh going into this season.

Isn’t it possible, based on your excellent roster and budget analysis, that Skinner could head the list on potential and perhaps even be considered NHL ready and still not make the Canes because he would have to be paid at a high rate?

by curiouscanesfan on Aug 6, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

In years past, we probably would give Skinner every chance in the world to make the jump and join the team, simply because we would have had very few other options among our small pool of prospects.

Now, even though he may well be able to survive at the NHL level, given his body type, there are complicating factors. Not just already strained salary budget issues, but also that it would be difficult to find a safe place for him on say our third line without now denying a slot to a prospect that also needs NHL time and our evaluation.

May come down to yes, he could make the team and develop nicely after a get-acquainted rookie year. But, maybe he shouldn’t do a whole season here, but be given a taste instead and sent back for a first-line, all-special-teams, World Junior year with his junior team.

As good as he might be with us next season, his career might be able to hit a higher apogee by slow-cooking him for another season before bringing him up to perhaps now a first-line role for his full inaugural season in ‘11-’12.

Here we are now...entertain us.

by Elsker on Aug 6, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

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