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2009-10 Canes Country Exit Analysis: Brandon Sutter

After spending the first few weeks of the 2009-10 season with the Albany River Rats, 20-year-old Brandon Sutter was called up October 24th for a game vs the Minnesota Wild. Two days later,  Sutter was back at the RBC Center (above) for his first NHL practice of the regular season. Photo by LTD

"Yeah. It was a different year...[nodding]...... fersherr." - Brandon Sutter, April 12, 2010 at his Exit interview with the local Media.

If I had to choose one player who seemingly could do no wrong in the eyes of the beleaguered Carolina Hurricanes fans this season, it might just be 21-year-old centerman Brandon Sutter. Starting the season in the A (as in American Hockey League) and ending the season wearing one on his sweater, as a surprise Alternate Captain when Rod Brind`Amour did not make the trip to Boston, Sutter's is, fersherr, the "Feel-good" story of the Canes' 2009-10 season.

With a solid sophomore stat line:


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG SOG PCT
2009 - 10 Brandon Sutter 72 21 19 40 -1 2 5 0 3 168 12.5


and a recognizable hockey name, Sutter garnered the attention of the national hockey press as well. It wasn't just for his discipline and patience (only one minor penalty in 72 games played - are you sure he's a Sutter?) which got him mentioned as a Lady Byng nominee (awarded to the player who demonstrates the most "gentlemanly" play). Even more impressive, some were showing that he deserved to be in the mix for a Selke Trophy nomination, as the forward who accomplishes the most with his efforts in the defensive zone, an honor that a couple of his highly-respected predecessors in Carolina, Rod Brind`Amour and Ron Francis, can claim. While neither trophy is his (yet), the sky's the limit for this gangly kid who still hasn't played two full seasons in the National Hockey League.

Toward the end of the season, in March, some 60-odd NHL games and more than 1500 shifts after LTD snapped this story's lead photo in October, Paul Maurice put into words what many of us had been thinking, indicating it was unanimous: 

When asked about the play of Brandon Sutter, coach Paul Maurice said, "This guy, at 21 years old, is the defining player in our lineup."

After the jump, some video, a closer looks at his statistics, and your chance to grade Sutter's 09-10 season.

Star-divide

Did you have a chance to see Sutter's exit interview back in April? For all the Sutter "coach speak" and predictable cliches useful for staying out of media controversy, we can see moments where his personal pride for how special this season was is bubbling below the surface. Maybe it gives us some insight into his maturity, his ability to understand the moment and perform his job superbly in that moment, both on and off the ice, that sets him apart from his peers.


 

I also encourage you to get a feel for some of what was going on in this young man's head , and listen to Puck Tracks: Brandon Sutter, Carolina Hurricanes country boy - Puck Daddy. This podcast will give you a whole different perspective: You hear [Sutter] talk about Daughtry's "September" or "Back Where I Come From" by Kenny Chesney, and you completely understand the mental strain on a 21-year-old farm kid traveling from city to city as a professional athlete; as well as how much home means to him.

For season highlights, I wasn't sure which of his 21 goals you'd like to see. There was the one vs Boston in January (his 12th) with the virtuoso feed from Ray Whitney, leading to Sutter's easy-to-lipread "Wow!" upon watching the replay. Maybe the drive to the net on a breakaway in Montreal, on March 31st (which was the milestone number 20) with the assist from Montreal Dman Roman Hamrlik? In the end, I chose this one, his second of the season at that Halloween  House of Horrors matinee in Philadelphia. Do you remember how bad everything was going for the Hurricanes and the Caniacs around then? I put this one up, not so much because it was a stand-out for pizzazz, but because it was typical Brandon Sutter energy, effort and vision. Maybe it helps us remember what he did for the team's psyche as much as on the scoresheet. Keep an eye on #16 below, seemingly everywhere at once, until, with the net open, he bangs it home. When it kept happening the rest of the season, we all figured out, it wasn't just a fluke.

 


 

Some numbers

With not much else going on this weekend, I thought I'd do a little bit of extra stat analysis to trace how Sutter evolved from an emergency call-up (following that dreadful game in Colorado punctuated by the suspension of Tuomo Ruutu) in Minnesota October 24th, to being identified as an "Untouchable" as the trade deadline loomed in February, till in April, concluding his break-out season wearing the A in the club's final game in Boston.

This first pair of tables divide Sutter's season evenly into four 18-game segments. I expected to use them to show how he evolved and improved over the season. Instead, almost every category is a model of consistency, with one exception. Check out the Face-off win percentage, highlighted in red, which steadily rose up from the wrong side of 50/50 to the right one.

Brandon Sutter's 2009-10 season statistics
18-game Segments   G     A     P   PP Goals   SOG      S %       FO %    Shifts/game  Avg TOI/game
 Games 1-18 (Oct 24 - Nov 30) 6 4 10 1 44 13.6% 47.7% 22.7 16:34
 Games 19-36    (Dec 5 - Jan 12) 5 3 8 2 45 11.1% 47.7% 22.6 16:34
 Games 37-54 (Jan 14 - Mar 4) 5 8 13 1 37 13.5% 50.0% 22.8 16:36
 Games 55-72 (Mar 6 - Apr 10) 5 4 9 1 42 11.9% 52.7% 22.9 16:28
 Season Total 72 games 21 19 40 5 168 12.5% 49.0% 22.8 16:32

 

This second table looks at the cumulative effect of Sutter's plus/minus numbers and compares them to the overall team's goal differential for these same four 18-game segments. Clearly all boats rise and fall with the tide, and we could argue cause-and-effect, but I am impressed by that first 18-game segment, when Sutter was -3 over a span where his team was - 30. That tells me a lot about how he came in and immediately started plugging the leaks. Eventually, his efforts had results where others had not been as successful. (Not to pick on the veterans Brind`Amour or Yelle last fall, but they would be the most obvious place to start as they were the defensive centers who were supposed to be minding the store.)

The Hurricanes and Sutter: Win/Loss and Plus/Minus
18-game Segments   CAR W/L/OTL     CAR goal dif   Sutter's +/-
 Games 1-18 (Oct 24 - Nov 30) 3 / 12 / 3 -30 -3
 Games 19-36 (Dec 5 - Jan 12) 9 / 7 / 2 -2 -1
 Games 37-54 (Jan 14 - Mar 4) 12 / 6 / 0 +21 +6
 Games 55-72 (Mar 6 - Apr 10) 8 / 7 / 3 -3 -3
Season Total 72 games 32 / 32 / 8 -14 -1

 

That got me thinking about how Paul Maurice and the other coaches were trying to get the most out of this very smart and competitive hockey player, to find out just how productive he could be. So let's look at how Sutter's icetime compared to the other centers on the team, and how he was used both to create offense and even moreso, in short-handed situations as a reliable penalty killer. First I've got the Time On Ice per game broken down for Even Strength (ES), Power Play (PP) and Penalty Kill (SH) situations for the Cane's primary centers. (I included all of Jussi Jokinen's TOI since it's not easily broken down according to his position.) Sutter shows up with a similar ratio of ES to SH to PP as another reliable two-way center, Matt Cullen. We see now pretty clearly that his defensive role for the team is way more important than that of season scoring leaders Eric Staal and Jokinen. As expected, his minutes are way ahead of the three names at the bottom of the chart too. Yep, Selke mentions are not inappropriate at all.

      Hurricanes Centers: Time on Ice per Game     
Player Games ES TOI/G SH TOI/G PP TOI/G TOT TOI/G
 Eric Staal 70 15:40 0:50 4:12 20:42
 Matt Cullen 60 13:25 2:10 3.:25 19:01
 Jussi Jokinen 81 13:10 0:16 3:22 16:48
 Brandon Sutter 72 12:54 1:42 1:55 16:32
 Rod Brind'Amour 80 10:12 1:06 1:23 12:42
 Patrick Dwyer 58 10:20 2:03 0:06 12:30
 Stephane Yelle 59 6:51 2:24 0:05 9:21

 

Last, here are some face-off comparisons between all Hurricane's centers. I'll interject with this goal highlight (#10)  because it all begins with the faceoff, as Tripp Tracy points out. 


Take a look at both the quantity and quality of Sutter's growth. Remember the first chart showing his progress in face-off winning percentage from beginning to end of the 09-10 season? This table below confirms he was out there a lot, and yes indeed, Maurice was relying him as a "defining player". With two other veteran centers, Matt Cullen and Stephane Yelle gone at the deadline, and Brind`Amour retired, no wonder we still feel confident that the Canes top two center positions will be just fine, thank you very much. Though that Staal kid could use some work in the circle.

Hurricanes Centers: Faceoffs taken and winning %
Player Games ES SH PP TOT FO%
 Eric Staal 70  903   42   217   1162  41.8
 Brandon Sutter 72  796   104   97   997  49.0
 Matt Cullen 60  709   128   61   898  49.1
 Rod Brind'Amour 80  641   94   114   849  58.8
 Stephane Yelle 59  147   148   1   296  48.6
 Jussi Jokinen 81  186   3   76   265  51.3
 Patrick Dwyer 58  190   25   9   224  34.8

 

 

So, getting back to our Exit Analysis template

 

The Good: Sutter was the model of dependability and consistency which, when the going gets rough, is exactly what is expected from a top professional athlete. His commitment to improving both his conditioning and his play, combined with his natural leadership and his hockey sense were an inspiration to all of us watching, and I suspect to more than a few players in the room this season. Take a look at all 21 goals over at CanesVision and you'll see him over and over again, flying down the ice, or hovering near the crease, or fearlessly driving the net and battling for the rebound amongst players much bigger and more experienced than he. A lot more than you might expect from a skinny kid who was "supposed" to top out as a third-line defensive forward.

 

The Bad: Too skinny? [photo] I suppose he could be stronger, but his strength and skating development during the summer of 2009 was tremendous. He's just 21 and was the youngest on the roster by a more than four years most of the season. Related to strength, maybe he should have played more aggressively - were there times that a minor penalty would have been worth the trip to the box?  Perhaps as a Maurice's go-to center on the penalty kill, Sutter had already calculated the the risk/reward and did what he needed to do without getting called for an infraction.

He could improve more on the 52.7 FO% of the last quarter of the season. Could we see his faceoff percentage getting to the 55 -57% range like Jonathan Toews  and Sidney Crosby? For comparison's sake Jordan Staal, who is also mentioned as a young Selke type, was at 48.3% this year.

When we see Sutter's declining plus/minus at the end of the season, can we interpret that there was some drop-off in the spring, after Cullen and Yelle were gone and he was carrying the PK load at center? This was his first full pro season, after sitting out following the concussion much of his rookie year. Did those 79 games at the AHL and NHL level, combined with the pressure of the final push to make the post-season in March, take its toll? [Writer's note: I was going to use the three short-handed goals scored by Boston in the final game in April as an example of him dropping a beat, but when I checked the game sheet, turns out he wasn't on the ice for any of those. Sigh.] 

 

The Money: Brandon Sutter is still playing on his entry-level contract. As a first round draft pick in 2007 (11th overall), his salary was $875,000 at the NHL level this past year, and will remain there for 2010-11. 

 

And after you have graded  Brandon Sutter on his sophomore season, take a moment to tell us what you expect of him for the upcoming year. Specifically, in which areas would you like to see him improve his performance and further contribute to the team?

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A. My opinion is if you’re going to give him anything less you must expect the world from this kid. He’s 21, improving, and cheap.

by Cincinnati Reds on Aug 9, 2010 7:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he played fantastic.....

it’s his attitude I’m not happy about.

From the interviews I’ve read and heard from him, it seems as if he’d rather be playing in “real hockey country”, preferably north of the 49th. I can’t shake the feeling that he’s already looking elsewhere for his next gig and he plays not for the team, but for a big pay day in some team north of the border.

All "Real Men" have one name in common: "Daddy"

by lcd2you on Aug 9, 2010 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you may need to offer a site so we can read some of those interviews because from what I have seen and read I don’t get that impression.

Is it October yet?

by hotchipsnsalsa on Aug 9, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't find them

but it is something I can’t help be think when I heard him talk.

All "Real Men" have one name in common: "Daddy"

by lcd2you on Aug 9, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you listen to the Puck Tracks you definitely hear about home. But I think with the influx of youth (he really was over 4 years than most everyone else on the team till Spring – he’s 4 1/2 years younger than next youngest Staal) that will help make it better. Having Carson, Boychuk and even Bowman – all Western Canadian boys – has got to be way different from the Ontario and MIchigan group we seem to have had last year.

I wonder how much he’d want to be part of the Sutter soap-opera in Calgary? Might be he’s happy down here where his name isn’t instantly judged in that context.

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think having some of the young guys around next season will definitely help, maybe they can all head over to a Wolfpack game, like he did his first year. Also…let’s not forget that this season was rough on EVERYONE. I bet some vets were questioning whether they really wanted to be here on certain days.

The last thing I’m worried about is Sutter’s attitude.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Aug 9, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sutter and Attitude

   I am with caniacgirl on this one. I have never heard anything from the Canes organization other than they love Sutter and Sutter loves the organization. I think suggestions Sutter is anything than a long-term Cane is a figment of a fan’s imagination.

by abramsdoug on Aug 9, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure he snap up a big juicy offer sheet from the Flames next offseason if he had the chance (Also sounds exactly like something the Sutter’s would do). Nothing against the Canes, but I’d bet he would rather be playing near his family in Canada.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take that bet in a nanosecond. I think the Canes will have Sutter signed to a long-term contract.

by abramsdoug on Aug 9, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m positive the Canes would love to sign him long term… I’m sure if Kovalchuk’s contract goes through they would love to have him sign the same 17 year deal. Maybe you know better than I how Sutter personally feels but I don’t really see why he would have loyalty to the Canes over his own family and legace in Canada.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well… I guess I shouldn’t say the exact same 17 year deal as he isn’t worth that much, the point was I agree, the Canes would love to lock him up for life.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gee, didn’t we hear forever from so many about how Ray Whitney was a lock to resign because he just Loved Raleigh so much.

by drifterscape on Aug 9, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you’ve mentioned this before, but I just don’t see (or hear) it. Until he spurns a lucrative contract extension from JR and bolts for Edmonton or Calgary (seriously-what sane person does that?) for 1/4 of that amount, I’m just not buying it.

Is he homesick? Yes. Does he miss his family? Yes. All you have to do is listen to that podcast to know that. But I’m not convinced that means he’s looking to bolt for Western Canada. What I am convinced that means is that he’s a normal kid on his own for the first time without knowing a lot of people (when I go to school, I’m homesick and I miss my family-but I have never considered transferring somewhere closer). If there is anything that his family name would have taught him, it’s that to play the game you love, you go where you have to. Right now that’s Raleigh. Will it be for his entire career? Maybe. Maybe not. But for right now it is and I for one am happy it is.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Aug 9, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the thing with Brandon is he’s mature beyond his years. You want him to be more excitable b/c of his age, but instead he comes across as all-business. But i don’t think it’s b/c he’s aching to play in a traditional market. I just think he’s a young kid who already acts like a man.

by Cory Lavalette on Aug 9, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo. You’re dead on Cory. He looks 21. He is 21. Away from his job, he probably acts like he’s 21. But his upbringing makes him rare in that he acts much older when it comes to hockey.

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Aug 9, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Since he’s an RFA next summer the Oil/Flames would have to put in an offer sheet, which would mean they would most likely have to over-pay him. With the Flames cap situation I don’t see how it’s plausible for them, Edmonton could though. In any case I don’t see it going that far, I’ll bet he re-signs 4-5 years.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 9, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You need your original draft picks to make an offer sheet anyway. I believe the Flames dealt their second next year to Toronto for Stralman (ect.), and any offer sheet for Sutter would definitely be big enough that a second-round pick would be involved. I wouldn’t worry about it one bit.

by Cory Lavalette on Aug 9, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it will get to the summer, JR seems to make these type of situations a priority.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 9, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably a good thing to point out… I wouldn’t have put anything past Brent Sutter (including a $5-6 million offer sheet).

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Darryl Sutter rather… The Sutter Clan in general that is making a mess of Calgary.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's

“I can’t help but think”

All "Real Men" have one name in common: "Daddy"

by lcd2you on Aug 9, 2010 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

A++++++++++ a million times over. I didn’t even need to read the recap to make up my mind for his grade, but I did read it-nicely done HM (much more legit than the one I would have written).

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Aug 9, 2010 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

A small 3 item list on Sutters much needed improvements.
1.
2.
3.

Well guess that about sums it up…..

by max creek on Aug 9, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

i’m worried how the team is gonna handle the beginning of the season, being away from home so long. Sutter mentioned something very important in his exit interview though…traveling to russia and finland will give a chance to all the new, young players to build camaraderie. I remember that was a huge theme in 05-06 with Laviolette putting the team through some outdoor excursions and team-building exercises before the season began.

Let’s hope for similar results!

by tarheelicane9 on Aug 9, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

The 1st road trip is pretty scary, plus the 3 games after aren’t easy either. October’s schedule is horrid.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 9, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gave him an A. Played great all season long. I’m thinking if he continues, and becomes a staple of the team like Staal, he’ll be my new favorite player. :)

Jim Rutherford is a moron.

by thebl4ckd0g on Aug 9, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Sutter: A+

Sutter’s play was outstanding. The more one watches videos of the games, the more there is to see and like. For a glimmer, check out the power play in which Bowman scores his first NHL goal against Tampa Bay. Canes were 2 of 31 on power plays before that (in last nine games). Sutter, Boychuk, Bowman put on ice for the power play. Sutter battles behind the net and wins the puck; hits it toward Boychuk (also behind the net); Boychuk blasts around net, puts two shots on net. Bowman shots the gap and lays a beautiful shot over the goalie’s shoulder. Bowman also got his second goal in that game; and it is worth watching. Time after time, Sutter made things happen offensively and was in the right place to shut down scoring chances by the other team. A great player with a great attitude.

by abramsdoug on Aug 9, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

He definitely showed he has more offensive upside than everyone thought. He’s going to have to have another big year if we’re going to be successful. I think he’ll receive a lot more attention from opposing dmen this year, so I’m not sure how he’ll respond – like everything else he’ll figure it out.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 9, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he has a so-so year so we can re-sign him to 3-4 years at $2-3 million a year. Next year isn’t our year anyway.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That second video in the write-up really shows me that Samsonov still has some serious talent in him more than Sutter doing any special. Not taking anything from Sutter but Samsonov’s stick-handling made that play a thing of beauty.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

by anonymousJ on Aug 9, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep. I agree 100%. And you could say the same thing about the Whitney threading the needle goal against Boston. But Sutter starts by getting Samsonov the puck, then skates cross ice and finds an open spot that veteran Samsonov buys his time and space with “hapy hands” and then return the favor. We complain about Samsonov not being able to finish, and I don’t think anyone is bowled over by Sutter’s stickhandling (or passing sklls for that matter – see Whitney, McBain, Pitkanen), but he knows how to be in the right place at the right time. Over and over. He understands how to play a team sport required at this level, better than most 20/21 year old phenoms, fersherr.

I was thinking I wouldn’t mind Sammy being with Sutter on the 2nd PP unit at all.

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with that assessment – fersherr! Sutter certainly knows how to be at the right place at the right time. I guess that video just makes me wonder why Samsonov was buried so deep on the bench much of last year. He is certainly too good of a player to be sitting on the 4th line. If he shot the puck more and made defenders respect that then he could he be a good 2nd line player with Sutter and Tlusty I think in my opinion.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

by anonymousJ on Aug 9, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Samsonov and the 4th Line

   The coaches really want their forwards to finish their checks (Finnish their checks?) and separate the puck from the body. Samsonov in contract years seems to find an extra gear and increased physicality; but overall, he is not a body-slamming kind of forward. Additionally, the coaches clearly prefer pure, blazing speed if they can get it. Samsonov is a magician with the puck; and easily could yet again find his game and score 20+ goals. He has the talent. He needs to find whatever it is that drives him when he is having his good years and harness it.

by abramsdoug on Aug 9, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he has the hockey sense to take on Whitney’s pole on the LW of our PP units?

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whitney’s role that is…. :shakes head: sheez.

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, you are indeed the instigator.

by abramsdoug on Aug 9, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Samsonov on PP

  The answer is: yes, if the Samsonov at his best shows up and lights up the rink as he is very capable of doing; no, if the hesitant, nervous nellie-hands Samsonov is the player at training camp. Samsonov, of course, has all the ability in the world and is usually at his very best during his contract years. If he could become a power play specialist that would be great for the Canes.

by abramsdoug on Aug 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe this is the first player I’ve ranked as an A. Sutter has heart and talent, and for those reasons, he has been a favorite of mine since they drafted him. If the organization treats him right with opportunities, puts talent around him, and pays him fair market value, he’ll be around a while.

by sunshine12 on Aug 9, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Golden Corral Sponsorship

I think that Raleigh-based Golden Corral needs to work out a sponsorship deal for Sutter and Skinner – so they can get some meat on those bones! Staal has done his part in terms of getting bigger and stronger – we just need these guys to put on some weight, and let the new strength coach (RBA – sorry Pete) turn it into muscle.

I voted A for Sutter – he played wherever the coach asked him to go – PP, PK, 3rd line, and he did exceptionally well in that role. With Matt Cullen gone, I think he is now the #1 PK guy, and I feel a lot better having someone good defensively on the PP. Great hockey IQ – we just need to keep him away from Doug Weight.

by jbwhite99 on Aug 9, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Skinner’s a fine weight for his size. He’s a pretty meaty kid, actually.

by Cory Lavalette on Aug 9, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m curious what grade he will get on Hockeys Future… 8.5 C? I’ve never seen a 9+… He seems good enough to warrant a pretty high rating.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never even seen a 9… It seems just about every one of the top-20 NHL prospects or so is an 8.5. Maybe I’m being a homer but I would throw Skinner’s hat into the ring of top-50 prospects league wide. Everything I heard from the Canes developmental camp suggests he is the real deal as well as from the Canadian WJC camp. At this point I really wouldn’t be surprised to see him make an impact in pre-season and fight his way onto the team.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time to send another email to NHL Network to televise Traverse City. I really want to see Skinner in action with NHL prospects. Last year’s tournament was a real break through for management’s perception of Sutter, IIRC.

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they air it… Kind of sucks that we would only get to see him once at home (Game 8?) if he only sticks around for a 9 game trial. Stupid October schedule.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t they air it last year?

by Go_Shelf on Aug 9, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure you’ve all seen the piece in the N&O today, talking with Gary Roberts who is working/training with Jeff Skinner this summer. Roberts compares Skinner to Crosby both for his size and skating style/strength. And it gets better from there.

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gary Roberts on Skinner and Skinner's Skating

  I, too, was impressed with Gary Roberts’ observations about Skinner. Roberts is really one of the masters in teaching explosive strength and skating; and it speaks well of Skinner that he was able to work with Roberts. I like the fact the Hurricanes organization retained another strength and conditioning coach whose focus is also on power skating. I think all Caniacs are very enthusiastic about the Skinner pick.

by abramsdoug on Aug 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing that I noticed from the article was that Skinner started training with Roberts in May, when his Junior season was done. It would appear the Hurricanes had no part in Skinner getting a spot with Roberts. That makes me that much more impressed with Skinner.

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Roberts can make Skinner into a 50-goal scorer like he did Stamkos… I think Canes Country seriously owes him an edible arrangement. Comparing the two pure snipers, their stats aren’t outrageously different during their Draft year:

Regular Season:
Stamkos – 70 GP, 69 Goals (0.98 GPG), 116 Points (1.66 PPG)
Skinner – 84 GP, 70 Goals ( 0.83 GPG), 123 Points (1.46 PPG)

Of course Stamkos has the edge… But he was also a clear #1 Overall pick.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be “Draft Season”, not Regular season.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

an edible arrangement? LOL. (And I agree with the sentiment)

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just FYI… Skinner is 5’10, 200+ lbs. He is already pretty stocky and filled out for his size and as Go_Shelf has said a few times… This is about the exact same size as Crosby.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Canes “system” roster says he’s 193. Which, btw, is 10 pounds more than Brandon Sutter’s listed weight. (Sutter is 6-3)

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty crazy isn’t it? 5 inches shorter and 10 pounds heavier (although I don’t know exactly when they collected that data, most sites still list Skinner as about 200 lbs). Shows a lot about his dedication to working out and being the best for a player his size.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different body types, Sutter will always be tall & lanky and probably won’t get much over 200lbs. Skinner, Crosby, Ovie, M.Richards all have a similar body type where they’re all wide in the hips & shoulders which gives them a low center of gravity and a lot of leg strength. You’d think 6’4 220 would be better but sometimes it’s not, the guys between 5’10 – 6’0 are harder to hit, more explosive, and don’t need to use as much energy to get going. Staal’s incredibly explosive for a big guy but it probably takes him 2-3 strides more to get going full speed than the guys above (minus Skinner, I don’t think he’s there yet).

by Go_Shelf on Aug 9, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Team Canada World Junior Development Camp roster has him listed at 182.

Here we are now...entertain us.

by Elsker on Aug 9, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weights are so hard to nail down… In the Gary Roberts article from the N&O (pretty recent) he was listed at 195 lbs. Pretty big discrepancy, I doubt he lost 13 pounds between then and the WJC camp.

by JussiJuice on Aug 9, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of the prospects numbers changed after Conditioning Camp last month. I think they originally went with whatever they were from their last weigh in with the previous team. Then they all were checked when they were in Raleigh and the numbers were updated. I’m thinking mid-190s for Skinner is probably about right for now.

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by Carolyn Christians on Aug 9, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Kitchener Rangers website has him at 197.

by Go_Shelf on Aug 9, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’ll lose 5 lbs during a good workout, but 10-15 lbs strikes me as dated.

by Caniac1026 on Aug 9, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

HeHehe...

If anyone could get Brandon to sit still long enough to pack in all the starch and protein the young man needs to “bulk up” it wouldn’t last but a few days or a week at best…it’s the guys metabolism…even if he sat around and did NOTHING in the offseason…he’d still be as he calls himself a tall, gagly & lanky guy…and he’ll never change until he is past his 30’s…but i could imagine him say 235 and all muscle in his trunk area…and all the ladies wold be just druuling over him…heck then we’d have to feel sorry for him huh after he’d win the Bing & Silke too !! hehehe…be safe all i hase to go as “the Hoard” showed up …sigh…no rest for the weary…

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by CaniacSteve on Aug 9, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems such a shame not to read all that wonderful commentary by HM, but I really didn’t need to. (but I did anyway)

He’s a great kid and had an even greater season.

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by Jamie Kellner on Aug 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

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Started the year in the minors and ended as 2nd center with 40+ points and wearing an A. I wanted to give him a B for not putting on more weight, but, we’re pretty much the same build so I’d be the pot. If he’s got my metabolism, he may never break 190, lol.

by Caniac1026 on Aug 9, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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and looking forward to an even better year for him this year :)

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by jenniwa30 on Aug 9, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Who gave him an F!?!?!?!?! I want to talk to them. >:[

"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."

by caniacgirl on Aug 9, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Great future!

I really like his hockey sense and will be a great leader for the younger guys! Ten pounds of added muscle will help take it to another level.

by cdne on Aug 10, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

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