A Player-By-Player Look At Carolina’s Preseason Opener
When the Florida Panthers scored three goals in the span of 1:54 of the first period, any chance the Carolina Hurricanes had of winning their preseason opener seemed to be out the window. While winning would be nice, this preseason — perhaps more than any since the franchise moved to Raleigh — is about talent evaluation and battles for roster spots. So while the score read 3-0 less than six minutes into the game, there was still plenty to be won or lost for the young players fighting for a job with the Hurricanes.
One game does not a preseason make, but on a night where the play was mostly sloppy, some players stood out more than others. Here's a rundown of how the 20 Hurricanes who played last night fared.
Jamie McBain, D — The Calder-eligible defenseman didn't register a point, but he still showed flashes of what a threat he can be. But most impressive was the physicality McBain showed, using his body more and out-muscling a few Panthers in his own zone. Stat to know: McBain had 7:07 of power play time, a minute more than the next closest Carolina player. The Canes power play went 0-for-6, looking predictably sloppy given the lack of time spent on it so far in training camp.
Tim Gleason, D — Perhaps most noticeable was Gleason’s restraint: twice Panthers players nearly came to blows with Gleason, but the veteran on defense smartly held back from dropping the gloves. Stat to know: One of six regulars from last season in the lineup, Gleason played a shade under 16 minutes, including less than a minute on the penalty kill while coach Paul Maurice took a look at some of the players battling for the sixth spot on defense in the role.
Patrick O`Sullivan, F — O`Sullivan’s first game in red and black was a success. He assisted on the team’s only goal — shorthanded, to boot — and was arguably the best player on the ice for either team, a huge victory given all the buzz surrounding his signing (see more here at From The Rink). Stat to know: O`Sullivan was one of just three players to finish with a plus-1 plus/minus ratio.
Zach Boychuk, LW — Boychuk was mostly invisible, not a good start for the former first-round pick who was a frontrunner to earn a roster spot this fall. Stat to know: No shots and a minus-2 in 13:45.
Tuomo Ruutu, RW — Ruutu's interference penalty in the first period negated a Carolina man advantage and led to the Panthers’ second goal, a power play tally. Stat to know: Two hits for the check machine, who seemed a little reined in but no worse for wear coming off injury struggles last season.
Jon Matsumoto, C — Matsumoto didn't put his best foot forward in his Carolina debut, throwing a cross-ice pass in his own zone that eventually led to a Florida goal and not making much of an impact otherwise. Stat to know: Carolina needs players who can win faceoffs, and Matsumoto won just two of eight draws.
Drayson Bowman, LW —Bowman led the team with five hits and had a couple scoring opportunities last night, though he fanned on one chance in close. Otherwise, he was active and was looking to shoot. Stat to know: I had the chance to talk to Bowman last night, and the number to know is 15.
"I worked with Pete [Friesen] quite a bit, lost close to 15 pounds and a bunch of body fat so, I'm feeling really quick on the ice and it seems to be paying off so far," Bowman said.
Zac Dalpe, C — If there was a winner in the four-man battle at center last night, it was probably Dalpe. The first-year pro looked confident and in shape, most notably on a sequence when he shot the puck on net and fought through two Florida players for a chance at collecting his own rebound. Stat to know: Dalpe was six of eight in the faceoff circle, the only Hurricane to finish above 50 percent on his draws.
Riley Nash, C — While not as noticeable as Dalpe, Nash looked solid in his Hurricanes debut. Here's what he had to say after the game:
Stat to know: Nash won eight of 17 faceoffs, second best among Carolina's centers.
Bobby Sanguinetti, D — Sanguinetti showed off his trademark skating, and even pinched once for a scoring chance. He looked comfortable and was mostly unnoticeable, good for a player who has at times been criticized for his defense. Stat to know: Sanguinetti logged 24:18 of ice time, tops on the team, including a team-high 17:42 at even strength.
Tom Kostopoulos, RW — Kostopoulos did what he always does: gave an honest, hard-working effort while standing up for teammates on occasion. Stat to know: Kostopoulos was teamed with O`Sullivan when the Hurricanes scored their lone goal on the penalty kill, so he finished the night as one of three players with a plus-1.
Anton Babchuk, D — Babchuk scored the lone goal by converting a 2-on-1 shorthanded breakout with O`Sullivan in the second period, showing that he not only possesses a mammoth slap shot but also a good set of hands. But he was badly beaten on Florida's second goal, when Mike Santorelli blew by him around the corner and beat Cam Ward for a power play goal. Stat to know: Three blocked shots for Babchuk, which — if indicative of what's to come — could come in handy on a defense lacking a true shot blocker after Gleason.
Patrick Dwyer, RW — Dwyer has been considered a candidate for one of the bottom two center spots, but he played on the wing (frankly, where he belongs) Tuesday and brought his usual hustle and energy. He did miss a scoring chance in the slot when he couldn't handle a centering pass. Stat to know: Dwyer played some center on the penalty kill, but went 0 for 2 in the faceoff circle.
Jay Harrison, D — With Carolina's defense riddled with offensive-minded players, Harrison will likely be neck and neck with Brett Carson for a shot to be the No. 6 blueliner and a complement to Gleason as a defense-first rearguard. Stat to know: While he was minus-2, Harrison did have three blocked shots and at least one "stick up for your teammate."
Jeff Skinner, C — The newly signed Skinner looked as he should in his NHL debut: nervous. But there were flashes of the skill that has people all around the league talking about what a special player he can be. Stat to know: Skinner is still being touted as a center, but his 5 for 20 in the faceoff circle was abysmal — one of his five wins in the offensive zone even went all the way back into the Carolina end. Some think he may be best-suited for the wing, and his efforts on the draw coupled with one instance when you could hear Chad LaRose yelling for him to "get back" to cover his responsibilities at center makes you wonder if center is his position of the future. That being said, it's one game.
Casey Borer, D — Carolina's hard-luck kid looked like he was back on track in his his quest to become an NHL player. Borer logged more than 17 minutes last night and was more physical than he had been in his previous trips to Raleigh. Stat to know: Borer led all Hurricanes with four blocked shots.
Chad LaRose, RW — Maurice admitted after the game that LaRose mentioned that his legs were tired in the first, and if his were feeling heavy, that it's likely everyone's were after three heavy workouts to open camp. But LaRose looked like his normal, hustling self. Stat to know: LaRose was the only player with more than two minutes of penalty kill time, and he will likely be relied on heavily this season in that capacity.
Jerome Samson, RW — The AHL first-team All-Star was limited to less than 12 minutes, mostly at even-strength, finishing minus-2 on the night. Stat to know: Despite seeing the third fewest minutes of any player, Samson tied Bowman for the team lead in shots with four.
Cam Ward, G — Ward likely won't frame the box score from this game and hang it on his wall, but it was what it was: a preseason tuneup for one of the few sure things in the Canes lineup. Stat to know: Ward allowed three goals in a 1:54 span in the first period, bringing back memories of last season’s losing streak that saw the defense allow opportunity after opportunity. Ward was far from blameless last night — Santorelli's goal saw Babchuk get beat around the edge, but Ward still should have stopped him — but he should be fine if the defense in front of him doesn't collapse in spurts.
Justin Pogge, G — By the time Pogge entered the game with eight minutes left in the second period, the Hurricanes had taken control of the pace and he saw little work. Still, he allowed a goal to Nathan Paetsch that capped off the scoring. Stat to know: In 27:59, Pogge faced just four shots and allowed the Paetsch goal. Ward, on the other hand, faced 20 in 31:58, including four minutes of shorthanded time.
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Good observations… I agree with most of them.
Personally I thought McBain and Sanguinetti both looked pretty underwhelming. Both spent a lot of time on their butts, both looked better near the end but he was slipping all over the place. I also thought Boychuk and Nash looked like they still need some work. Obviously can’t judge off just one game, but neither really did anything worth mentioning.
O’Sullivan, Dalpe (most of the time), Bowman, Samson, and Babchuk stood out to me as looking good. O’Sullivan looked to me to be the most comfortable guy on the ice. Bowman was working hard and making plays happen. Babchuk looked pretty good other than the first 6 minutes when everyone looked pretty bad. His shot on that 2-on-1 was a very good one.
Skinner, as mentioned, looked very bad in the faceoff circle. I kind of question why they kept throwing him in there when he was obviously being overwhelmed. I also noticed that a good number of times, Skinner wound up for a slap shot in a good area only to pass it instead. A few of those times I really think he might have been better of taking the shot. In general, it seemed the Canes were going for the home-run passes (being too fancy) instead of just getting the puck on net.
In all, going down 0-3 in the first 5 minutes and 30 seconds of any game takes the wind out of a team, especially a young nervous team.
I only saw the end of the second and much of the third periods. Maybe because they were pressing by then, but I didn’t see much passing in the offensive zone. Mostly it was get in the zone and launch a long range shot, then go for the rebound. The power play didn’t show much passing either, and most of the shots I saw were long range. Takes me back to a question from a while back: who are our assist people? O’Sullivan’s pass was the only really good one I saw. Did any one else see something I missed?
Our Power Play was just awful. It was worse than awful. I think we were literally better offensively on the Penalty Kill than the PP.
We don’t really have any Playmakers. I never said they were good passes haha, most of them ended up being turnovers.
IIRC, they practiced the PP once, either yesterday morning or the day before. At this juncture, it’s just not a priority. They’re more interested in how guys look at even strength. Other than McBain, Babchuk and Ruutu (and whichever young guys earn a spot), those guys won’t be playing on the PP.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 22, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I’m just saying last night was just plain bad. It was pretty clear they have not worked on the PP at all. I guess they want the final group set in stone before spending time to allocating PP positions and develop chemistry. I just hope they don’t wait too long, because as a whole they only got about 1 or 2 scoring chances on 6 powerplays.
Good write-up, agree for the most part. Disagree about McBain, I didn’t think he was very good last night, he seemed out of sync all over the ice, he probably feels responsible to have a great year and that’s a big burden for a young with little NHL experience, I expect he’ll get better with every game. The toughest job right now has to be that of the coaches: get the guys in game shape, get the right line combo’s, get guys buying into & understanding system, get the right guys on the roster, get special teams in order, etc. There’s really not a lot of time until opening night.
You forgot to mention Coach Mo
If you’re going to do a man-by-man accounting of what happened last night, how about the coaching? I was in 312, and looking down it was clear the spacing was way, way off all game long. Most of the players did not know exactly what they should be doing with the puck, no formative breakout scheme, poor passing, etc. It was as if they hadn’t practiced at all. That said, the group that was on the ice last night was not prepared by Coach Mo in any way, shape, or form to play at an acceptable NHL level. If it continues on into the season and translates into a slow start, even the most casual observer will know that Mo…must……..
I don’t think that’s reflective of the coaching at all but rather a bunch of players who have never played together. For example, you could see chemistry btwn. Dwyer and LaRose at times b/c they’ve spent time together.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 22, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
so…all the players’ performances were non issues as well? why does the coach get a pass? the florida coach had his team ready to play…is their talent so much better than ours?
by Capt. Stinky on Sep 22, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If the goal was to put forth a team with lines intended to beat Florida, no doubt Maurice did not have his team as ready as Florida. If the goal was get a team ready to play in the regular season and in game #1 to work the team very hard and then to see where player’s were and to see which players could perform when their legs were jello, Maurice did what he set out to accomplish. Last night was a measuring stick for the young players to see their progress. I have no issue with that approach.
was the goal of florida to put forth a team with lines intended to beat carolina? not judging by their team website, which notes the lineup was littered with skaters trying to make the team. that said, their coach still had their guys better prepared to play at an NHL level than ours. i certainly hope we don’t see more nights where “maurice did what he set out to accompish” that end in 4-1 whitewashings.
by Capt. Stinky on Sep 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I’m sure part of Mo’s talk to the players post-game alluded to the necessity of finding a way to play when the legs aren’t there. 21 back-to-backs, times of 3 games in 4 days or 4 games in 6, will all come up. This is some of these guys first time facing that. The players competing for center all got a look. The guys all showed grit and hustle all the way to the end. The coaches got a look at players trying to come back. All in all, another teaching tool. Of course, it was also another chance for Cpl. Stinky to rant against Mo.
Four Centers in the Spotlight
Last night was about proving character for the forwards and was a spotlight on the four centers to assess where they were. All I had to do was look at the lines and it was obvious to me the predominant concern was to find out what Skinner, Dalpe, Nash, and Matsumoto had in the tank under adverse conditions. It’s not a valid test unless each line is somewhat equivalent in overall talent. In that test, Dalpe seemed most ready for 3rd line center as of last night. That is also not a surprise to me because Dalpe is a very, very gifted hockey player. Skinner showed he has talent and will. I think Nash is a great pick up; and he did fine for his first NHL game. I think Matsumoto will also be fine; but didn’t have the game of his life by any means.
The pre-season is the perfect opportunity for Mo-haters to unleash the hate; and it was an ugly, sloppy game by anybody’s standards. I happen to think those kinds of learning lessons will make the younger prospects grow up in a hurry. It also helps the coaching staff look at the four centers and have a much clearer idea, at least for one game, where they are in their development. It’s a learning tool.
We don’t know if the prospects can play against NHL players when their legs are there. That should come first. Of those who can play at an NHL level, we could then find out which ones can play when their legs are jello.
What we’re losing out on is the part of hockey known as hockey. The jello-legs fetish ranks higher in Mo’s priorities.
Mo has taken another step toward proving he has no business coaching young talent, starting with selecting young talent. He doesn’t need to see talent on the ice to know which players he wants.
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 22, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it also your view that Francis, Rowe, Wesley, Brind’Amour, Barrasso, Rutherford, and Jason Karmanos, also have no business being coaches or in General Management for the same reason?
Something is wrong. Either the Canes can’t identify and draft players with offensive talent who can make it in the NHL, or they can’t develop talented players after they draft them, or there’s a major roadblock farther down the line. I think the major roadblock is the head coach, not the GM, Francis, and the rest.
Let’s turn this around please. Exactly why SHOULD Paul Maurice be considered the right guy to coach this team? What has he EVER done that is consistent with the idea of a successful rebuilding program for an NHL team? Is he in no way responsible for the way guys like Boychuk go from promising prospects to nonentities when they walk into his locker room? Is it a positive that he lets prospects on the ice grudgingly and yanks them off quickly? How well has that worked out for the Canes?
If Maurice were fabulously successful with his approach, it would be one thing. But he’s not successful. Take ancient or recent history. Last year, he gets to put his full system in and promptly gives us a 14-game winless streak, a team that allows the other team to score multiple goals in a couple of minutes multiple times without interrupting the debacles with a timeout, a team that often didn’t look competitive, a team that had a lousy power play and couldn’t fix it. Some of those things sound awfully familiar because we saw them again last night. What sort of bailed out Maurice at the end of the year? Young talent. What did he learn from that? Nothing.
Maurice is a slightly below average career NHL coach who does OK when he has a veteran team that he doesn’t have to teach or develop. He can get them in shape and send them out to do what they already know how to do and in SOME years, but not the most recent year, the vets play hard for him.
Maurice doesn’t seem to have it in him to make anybody better. He’s on the mediocre edge of competence. He seems nice and all that, but there’s no evidence that he should be the head coach of an NHL team, especially one that is theoretically rebuilding based on an accumulation of young talent. The rebuilding is theoretical until the result shows on Canes’ ice. The cuts to the salary budget are actual. The expiration dates in the prospects’ contracts are actual. Maurice isn’t moving fast to make something of all this young talent. Gleason’s broken foot and trading away Ward and Corvo gave McBain a shot. Trading Cullen and others allowed Boychuk and Bowman a few moments on the ice. The team got better but Maurice didn’t. Either he thinks the rights to the prospects are eternal or he’s hoping for another infusion of vets to save him from something he doesn’t seem to know how to do: turn talented prospects into successful NHL players.
If you want the kids to thrive any time SOON, as in before their contracts expire, if you want to find out what their ceilings are, you just have to get a different coach. Paul Maurice does not belong in the same sentence with words like “young,” “scoring,” and “talent.” His whole approach is based on experience, caution, discipline, and defensive responsibility. Those are great values, great themes for moral instruction, but they shouldn’t make all other values disappear. With Maurice, they do.
And worst of all, Maurice can, after the disastrous start of last season, see this preseason start with last night’s pathetic game, see Gudbranson play great and Skinner, Boychuk and the rest of the young Canes look marginal at best, and think what? Not that the team may be in danger of getting off to a second consecutive disastrous start based on a talent shortfall and his coaching methods, not that he might try avoiding that fate based on changing something about his approach, not that the team can’t compete at a high level WITHOUT an infusion of young talent that the GM has been good enough to line up for him. No, Maurice thinks last night’s game shows he’s done his job to perfection. That gives us every reason to expect a grim preseason in preparation for another grim season.
Peter Karmanos loves Paul Maurice. Why? It’s not because PM won him a Stanley Cup or gave him that many winning seasons. Outside investors would be insane to buy into this team until PK relinquishes control. The second hiring of Paul Maurice shows that the current Canes’ ownership is interested in something unrelated to winning, entertaining, or making money. Whatever that is, it’s complex and interesting, but buying into the Canes as currently structured would be like knowingly buying shares in a REIT that owns thousands of basement apartments in a flood zone that was 20 feet underwater last year. The record is what it is. The management is what it is. The owner can do what he wants with his hobbyhorse, including making Maurice head coach for life regardless of won-loss record, but nobody else should subsidize what this owner is doing. Specifically, no one should think about investing in a “rebuilding” Canes team with a coach who shows no interest in or capacity for rebuilding.
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 22, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Kudos curious. Exactly.
And how the heck do young pros with 3 days of 90-minute practices already have jello-legs?
Did he bag-skate them all 20 minutes before the game?
“Quiet in the lockerroom prior to the game” Then why did you not fire them up, Mo? Florida prospects looked fired-up and ready to go.
Oh well. Must be me.
thanks, but i haven’t achieved colonel rank yet, still a lowly captain :-(
by Capt. Stinky on Sep 22, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
or was i being called a corporal? if so, that’s just mean. i’ve earned my stripes.
by Capt. Stinky on Sep 22, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no complaints about those distinguished veterans you mention. My beef is Coach Mo. If the team vastly improves in the next 6 weeks I will be the first to get on his bandwagon. Until then he is one of the worst motivators and developers of young talent I have ever seen.
by Capt. Stinky on Sep 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ll excuse me if I doubt you will ever be on his bandwagon. For whatever reason Mo polarizes fans, and your polarity is as fixed as any I’ve seen. I’m not his greatest fan, but I did appreciate the way he worked young players in the mix, in ’02, to produce an SCF team. Since it was my first year as a STH (24 games) it left an impression.
now now, i was a huge mo supporter right up to his firing season way back when and attended a ton of those games in’02 so i hear ya. i just think he is one of the worst motivators and developers of young talent I have ever seen. last year — the first Mo had all his own with the team since coming back — was god awful. it was blamed on injuries and the veterans (to an extent) losing their mojo, so this is supposed to be a bounce-back/rebuild year. last night, the florida team came to play and was executing the fundamentals. our team was the opposite, reminiscent of last year. hence the Mo Must (You-Know-What) watch is officially on.
by Capt. Stinky on Sep 22, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 02-03 and 03-04 were excruciating, but I am cofused by part of your stance. Both of those teams, and last year’s team were dominated by veterans, with very little youth presence. That being so, I would think you would condemn Mo’s work with veteran players, rather than young players. There were several first and second year players in ‘02, and the team’s play in ‘09 improved when the young players came up. Wouldn’t that say Mo would be a better coach for a young team, rather than a veteran one? Not looking for an argument, just wondering.
100% behind Stinky.
I’m sorry but Mo’s belief in Jay Harrison says it all for me.
I deal heavily with staff from Compuware and they alway say that Pete rewards loyality. I understand that but when that loyality consistently costs you wins and fans and in-turn, money. You need to rethink that.
I coach girls basketball and my daughter is on the team. She does not start and I do no hesitate to yank her out. That is blood and I look at the greater good of the team. If anything, I am harder on her and expect more. Why on earth does Pete/J.R. not expect the same.
I just don’t get it. I guess less than .500 is good enough for them.
Yes, one preseason game. Sorry. But I would think you would get these guys confident for the NHL/AHL season ahead….but that is just me….
Go Stinky! Hope to see you at the Checkers first game.
That’s why you assess guy’s individually and not on a whole. Matsumoto’s cross-ice defensive zone pass, for example, isn’t even a good play in rec hockey. You look for decision-making and positioning more than just results.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 22, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Overall, agree with some observations, disagree about other observations
Boychuk: I agree Boychuk’s line was underwhelming. When I saw him paired with Matsumoto and Samson on the fourth line, I thought he was in for a long evening. On the goals against, Boychuk was the high wing and his play didn’t contribute to the goals. Often Boychuk was open for passes and players like Harrison were bouncing unmanageable pucks to him. What I did see what Boychuk and Sanguinetti were to the two fastest players on the ice; and that Boychuk won a lot of puck battles.
Dwyer: I thought he looked out of place on the first line; and didn’t see him generate scoring opportunities. He is fast, but he seemd out of sync to me.
Jay Harrison: I am totally at a loss why the organization feels Jay Harrison adds anything of significance to the defense. He has really bad hands and was bouncing pucks to the forwards all night. He missed Boychuk who had a wide open break away, for example. I didn’t see much anticipation or lateral movement from Harrison. He does come to the aid of teammates. He is really big. He doesn’t have quick reactions to the puck at his feet, and he doesn’t possess gifted eye hand coordination with his stick.
Zac Dalpe: flashes of brilliance and the best of the four centers last night, although Skinner showed flashes as well.\
Skinner: moments of being 18 in his first game in the NHL and moments of dazzling skill.
Cam Ward: very underwhelming; and one reason we are having this overall discussion of the loss. Not Cam Ward’s A game, to be certain.
All in all, the power play was noticeably absent, but that is expected inasmuch as the team hadn’t practiced the power play.
Harrison, McBain, Babchuk, Borer
McBain and Babchuk definitely had their moments of bewilderment, I agree. I think their upper end potential offensively offsets much more than Harrison their defensive lapses. I also think McBain has great eye hand coordination and skates excellently. Babchuk’s skating and strength is much improved. Babchuk did loss coverage entirely and helped set up a goal for Florida, no doubt about it. Borer is still in the learning curve due to his lost time from major injuries, but he is showing improvement from last season. Borer has the potential to be a good stay at home defenseman as his game matures. As a result, although McBain, Babchuk, and Borer didn’t overall have outstanding games, I thought Harrison looked as if he was where he began last season. Borer is unlikely to start out with the Hurricanes, so the fact he is better than Harrison says a great deal to me.
I thought Babs looked pretty much the same, Borer needs to go back to AHL, McBain will get sharper as the pre-season goes, and Harrison is probably our 7th-8th defensemen. The big advantage Harrison has over the guys he’s competing with for the 6 spot is he’s a decent fighter, which means Gleason has to fight less as does TKO.
They’ve just posted the Thursday night Roster (traveling to Nashville) alphabetically:
Among the non “locks” for making the NHL this season: Dalpe, Bowman, Nash, Pogge and O’Sullivan repeating.
Drayson Bowman
Brett Carson
Erik Cole
Joe Corvo
Zac Dalpe
Patrick Dwyer
Jay Harrison
Jussi Jokinen
Tom Kostopoulos
Jamie McBain
Riley Nash
Patrick O’Sullivan
Justin Peters
Joni Pitkanen
Justin Pogge
Bryan Rodney
Tuomo Ruutu
Sergei Samsonov
Eric Staal
Brandon Sutter
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
Samsonov and Cole are both going on the trip. Not Tlusty yet.
And Rissanen and Levi are headed back to their Junior teams today.
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Those who haven’t yet played, other than Tlusty, Rissanen and Levi:
Forwards: JStaal, Oskar Osala, Matt Kennedy, Chaput, Terry, McKenzie, Dodge, Blanchard
D: Michal Jordan, Fitzgerald, Lawson, Bellemore
G: Mike Murphy
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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be interesting to see who gets the two ’A’s for that game.
And speaking of the ’A’s, I do want to mention I thought that all three of the players who wore them last night wore them well. Chad and Tuomo were more loudly vocal, and Timmy was more quietly vocal, but I watched all three of them on the bench and on the ice and they were noticeable and frequent in their communication with the younger guys.
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by Jamie Kellner on Sep 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Since Staal is going to play, I’m assuming there will only be two A’s. My guess is Sutter (since that’s the name that’s floating around as the permanent A) and then it’s a toss up between Ruutu and Cole maybe. Ruutu would have the edge IMO since he wore it last night, but at the same time they may give it to someone else to mix it up.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
and with that LTD
I would agree 100% with that observation…
And if it Aint Hockey,It Aint Nothin !!
That Checkers 3rd Sweater ROCKS !!!
Just want to add, I hope more than anything I am eating those words come June, but I do not think so..
I don’t think you’re the next great fortune teller if a middle-of-the-pack/rebuilding team doesn’t win the Cup this season.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's Get to the Post-Season First
Let’s get to the post-season in the top 8 and then assess whether or not the Stanley Cup is a realistic goal this year.
Skinner..
why isn’t Skinner playing? Seems like they’d want him to get in as many games as possible?
by RU4RU on Sep 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It’s the first of a home and home. The team may not want him in back to back games in the preseason.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
I believe you have the reason articulated.
More tickets to be sold by playing him at home instead of on the road…although there is that “stress test” thing supposedly going on that might say “why not play him in both games?”.
Nonetheless, I see Dalpe, Nash, and Dwyer on the “go” list for the Away game, so they’ve got plenty of potential third line centers to test in Nashville without him.
Here we are now...entertain us.
PP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i agree with captain stinky here. mo has GOT to get the PP going. he has to. i get this was a game that didn’t matter but regardless of it being exhibition, there should be a *&^%$# PP. that has been our weakness forever. it has got to get better. someone get on it.
I don’t know that it’s been a weakness forever. The team has been middle of the road since the lockout (avg. 18th in the league) and were 17th in 2005-06 when they won the Cup, eighth in 2007-08 when they were out of the playoffs.
As mentioned earlier, what they ran out Tuesday is nothing like what will be out there in the season — in personnel or plan.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 23, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
After watching Tampa’s #1 unit last night we need to start putting our #1 unit in games situations early, like tonight. I’d like to see Sully, Staal, Jokinen, Pitkanen, Corvo (#1) and Samsonov, Sutter, Ruutu, McBain, Rodney (#2). Get it dialed in sooner than later, if we can win a couple of games early in the season because of special teams it will pay dividends late in the year.
Yes, I was just going with guys that are going tonight which looks pretty close (in terms of PP) to what we’ll be doing during the season. I think that 1st unit will work well – Jokinen on the half boards, Sully down low, and Staalsy in front. The only thing we have to worry about with that unit is our dman coughing it up, although as Corvo has gotten older he’s gotten wiser.
I would actually like to see Ruutu-Jussi-Staal-Joni-McBain as our 1st PP unit tonight. Have Joni on the left side, McBain in the middle, and Jussi on the right. Then put Ruutu and Staal in front of the net to create havoc. That would also allow Staal to play some behind the net and look for a streaking Jussi going to the net.
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by PackPride17 on Sep 23, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya, that probably makes our 2nd unit better. I like Sully down low because he’s got great hands, a quick release, and he can walk out from down low and create 2 on 1’s down low where the dman has to decide whether to take the shooter or let him walk.
Sully down low because he’s got great hands, a quick release, and he can walk out from down low and create 2 on 1’s down low where the dman has to decide whether to take the shooter or let him walk
Oh, that is music to my (virtual) ears.
It is fundamentally the ability to execute elemental moves like this that can significantly effect a PP success percentage rate.
Please let this be such a piece to the puzzle.
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I’d like to see Boychuk on a line with Dalpe and Skinner and see what they can do. He was stuck on the 4th line with career ahl’ers matsumoto and samson with no PP time.
Boychuk, like Skinner, won’t be on ANY line in Nashville. Did he already lose his roster spot to O’Sullivan?
It’s as though the Canes can’t stand the thought of giving their most promising offensive talents a real shot at the NHL. They put Skinner on a slow track in Traverse City, starting him out as the 4th line center. In the first preseason game, their idea of giving him a shot was to let him center a line with major threats like LaRose and Dwyer. If Skinner makes it in the NHL, it will be as a wing, but they still haven’t even tried him there. He’s bound for Kitchener and always has been. That’s probably where he belongs, but he deserves better than this.
O’Sullivan may be better than Boychuk, but would adding two offensive talents exceed the Canes’ quota? Would three offensive talents make games unbearably offensive? Exceed the watchability ceiling?
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 22, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
There are still forty-some players in training camp, so no way do all of them get to play in any one game.
There are seven preseason games. Some will see only one or two before being returned to wherever they belong.
Meanwhile, there are questions to be answered, and those that are pretty much assured a slot on the roster (including Boychuk) may not see as much action in these earlier preseason games as they will when the regular season gets closer.
They will use the earlier games to sort through the mystery contestants and try to answer a few questions before having to get serious about preparing to play for points.
Remember, it’s preseason. These games count for nothing.
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It’s just one preseason game. None of these lines have played together before. I can understand the disappointment but you got to keep it in some sort of perspective. It’s preseason game 1. If everyone still looks so sloppy at game 5 or 6 then I’d be alarmed but not after one game.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.
O’Sullivan >> Boychuk in terms of development and NHL readiness. Everyone keeps talking about whether O’Sullivan makes the team, but I think he was pretty much already guaranteed a spot when he signed. The only way he wasn’t going to make the team was an amazing show from 2-3 prospects.
Give it a few games… Weren’t you the same person crapping on the Canes prospects during the Traverse tournament before they finally put the top prospects together and we rocked it later? Last nights combos obviously didn’t showcase the Canes potential and talent for next year.
Take Skinner for example… Do you think he might have a little more space if Staal/Ruutu or Sutter/Cole were on his wings banging around instead of Larose/Dwyer??? Don’t jump off the building just yet.
I complained about how the Canes USED the top prospects in the first two games in Traverse City
Specifically, I complained that unlike the Rangers, they didn’t create a line of top prospects. Dalpe, Nash and Skinner were separated, and Skinner was 4th line center.
When they put Dalpe and Skinner together, everything predictably changed for the better. The Canes’ top prospects had a decent shot at competing with the other teams’ top prospects. I thought that would reveal more about who might be the best candidates for this year’s Canes roster than putting Skinner on the 4th line in Traverse City or, for that matter, putting Skinner on a line with Dwyer and LaRose.
The Bruins put Seguin on a line with Bergeron for his first preseason game, maximizing Seguin’s chances for a good start. Bergeron got two goals and Seguin an assist. Seguin is off to a good start. That approach makes perfect sense to me. The Dwyer-Skinner-LaRose DLL (dead-legs-line) introduction to the NHL for Skinner makes no sense to me unless the point is to build a case for sending Skinner back to Kitchener.
The Bruins seem focused, from the outset, on finding out what Seguin can do for the NHL club on a line with their top offensive threats. Why would any team want to take a different approach with a top draft choice? Find out what a top prospect can do so you know what to do with him and can prepare him for that role for the balance of the preseason. The Bruins are doing it that way with Seguin, and they didn’t bother to deaden his legs before sending him out with Bergeron. The Panthers are doing it that way with Gudbranson. It’s not as though no team has ever taken that approach before—optimizing chances for the early success of top prospects.
To me, taking the opposite approach is puzzling. Game 1: Skinner with dead legs skates with Dwyer and LaRose. Game 2: Skinner sits out. That means at best, Skinner may get a shift with a top line in the third preseason game. Slowest possible ramp up in Traverse City followed by slowest possible ramp up with the big club. We still have no idea what Skinner can do in the NHL. Why is that a good thing?
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 23, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you, it doesn’t make sense to me either. If I was in charge, Skinner would have started on Wing next to some combo of Sutter/Staal and Cole/Ruutu. He needs someone big like that to clear some space for him because he is still an 18 year old kid, Larose and Dwyer were not cutting it.
But what happened happened… Give the prospects a chance to be slotted next to the big boys before passing judgement. It may not happen as soon as you want, but believe that it will eventually happen (just like in Traverse). My guess is we see Skinner next to Staal or Sutter on Friday.
JR has stated they want to play more of the young guys at home so the fans can see them.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 23, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
I gotta say, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, that some of you may want to consider viewing this before the next game. Otherwise I’m not sure you’re going to make it all the way to the home opener at the end of October.
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by Jamie Kellner on Sep 22, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you! I had no idea this kind of fear and loathing was there, just below the surface. Wow.
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by Carolyn Christians on Sep 22, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking this is all leftover insecurity from last season.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Or justified insecurity going in to this season. There are forward spots to be filled by young players and none stepped up other than O’Sullivan. The defense looked pretty terrible out there especially the PP.
I said it in the other thread, it’s only one game. I didn’t buy in to the hype this summer, and I’m not buying in to the woe after one game. The problem with Tuesday’s game is outside of O’Sullivan it provided little if any reason not to buy in to the woe.
Don't trust me. I have psychological issues.
I understand the reasons behind the insecurity 100%. I guess at this point, I’m just not really all that worried where we are in December or March or June. Of course if I had the choice, I’d want this team to win the Stanley Cup every year and I would much rather sit through a winning season than a losing one, but I’ve supported enough teams in my sports watching lifetime to know that a team not winning the championship (or even the game :coughClemsonfootballcough:) isn’t the end of the world for me.
In my mind, even if this team loses the rest of their preseason games, even if they are as bad as some are predicting them to be, there’s still a lot to keep the woe at bay: how our new A’s carry themselves and the team, hockey in Charlotte, the new faces bringing quirky stories and attitudes to the ice, which player(s) is/are going to stick in Raleigh, seeing if Staal will ever grow eyebrows (that last one is to see if canescup is reading this), etc.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
In my mind, even if this team loses the rest of their preseason games, even if they are as bad as some are predicting them to be, there’s still a lot to keep the woe at bay
Could not agree with this more. It’s going to be a fun season for the reasons you mention. The team will learn a lot which will, if nothing else, turn the conversations on this board from what X player is going to do to what X player has done.
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My frustration isn’t about how good or bad the Canes are going to be or how many games their going to win. It’s about rebuilding with young talent but not using the preseason rationally to find out what the young talent can do.
Check out last night’s Bruin’s game for an example of what I think the Canes should have done with Skinner in his first preseason game.
1. Put him on a top scoring line
2. Don’t send him out with dead legs
In short, give him a chance to succeed. Is that so much to ask with a top offensive prospect? God knows the team needs offensive talent. Why not find out if Skinner can provide it in the NHL this year? Why is that such an unreasonable wish? Why should it not be frustrating to see a “rebuilding” team like the Canes take the opposite approach with Skinner from what the Bruins did with Seguin?
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 23, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense to any of the guys that played Tuesday night, but there wasn’t a whole heck of a lot of “top scoring line” talent in the lineup. Who would you have rather seen him play with out of the guys that skated Tuesday night?
Maybe the coaches just wanted to see what the rookies could do in a game-like situation without Staal to set them up or Jokinen to finish a play. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I could see you having concerns about why they aren’t playing Skinner tonight with the top guys. IMO, it’s to maximize ticket sales while minimizing wear and tear on a really young kid.
And I’m not sure you can assume that just because a team did such and such with their rookie that we should do the same thing with ours. Different players, different situations, different organizational mentalities.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
by caniacgirl on Sep 23, 2010 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There was no reason that the guys who played Tuesday night had to be that particular list of guys. Tuesday night could easily have included different linemates for Skinner. Don’t you think RBC Center would have been excited to see a Staal-Jokinen-Skinner line in the preseason home opener? Isn’t it a little odd that our local organizational mentality had no room for that thought?
Different organizational mentalities sums it up. The mentality that is rebuilding but not interested in the earliest possible look at its top prospects under optimal conditions seems self-contradictory to me.
If you’re rebuilding, you’re conceding that the status quo may not get you to the playoffs. Otherwise, why rebuild? The sooner you get your best talent working together at the highest level, the sooner you’ll be rebuilt—hellbent for the playoffs with the most talented, exciting team you can put on the ice and expectations of going past the first round. Rebuilding as quickly as possible just doesn’t seem to be a concern here, and player contracts really do expire.
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
I, for one, am extremely pleased to see them being methodical and patient with the development of these assets.
Higher apogees in careers can be hit by this path. We’ve seen rushed talent fail before *cough*Tanabe*cough*, so why do so when there’s no reason other than mollifying impatient fans?
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Maybe the coaches were trying to see as many of the young guys in a “game” situation as possible before getting the “sure thing” players into the lineup.
Whether you like the coaching staff or not, there’s a reason they’re standing behind the bench of an NHL hockey team and we’re not. They have a plan, you just have to give them more than one game for it to come together. You’ll see Skinner and Staal on the ice together before too long, but the coaches are trying other options first just to make sure nothing great shows up that they didn’t expect to see. Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither is a hockey team.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
LMAO!! Amen sister! Some had their panties in a bunch before the end of the first, you are right they may not make it to the season opener. :)
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"End of the First"? Nay, I Say, 5 minutes 45 seconds into first period
By five minutes, forty-five seconds into the first period of the first pre-season game, some anti-Mo, Mo Must Go, Don’t Mean a Thing if Mo Won’t Swing from the rafters, folks had already declared Mo Persona Non Grata and that the 2010-2011 season was doomed. Talk about a quick finger on the trigger.
It’s going to be a long, harsh 2010-2011 Hurricanes hockey season for some fans if every defeat is the equivalent to the End of Days.
Speaking of the End of Days, I enjoyed this tweet from earlier in the evening.
wyshynski: Jesse Boulerice assisted on a Sidney Crosby goal tonight. A sign the Mayans were off by two years.
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by Jamie Kellner on Sep 22, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
At least it will be long if they expected the team to go 82-0. ;)
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I’m willing to go far, far out on the limb and predict this Canes team may be a year or two away from an undefeated season (just kidding, just kidding – only Washington could go undefeated).
Toronto burning....
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From article and nail on the head statement:
" Perspective, it seems, was the first casualty of the pre-season."
Haters gonna hate.
The Concept of "Backfire"
Once that kind of decision, such as hating Mo, is made, various studies show evidence which challenges that opinion actually serves to reinforce the view. It’s a concept called “backfire.” In other words, once a person accepts a particular conclusion as accurate and true, contrary information does not serve to lessen the depth of the conviction, it hardens the opinion and makes it more intractable. So indeed, Mo Haters have already decided they Hate Mo; and that will be a deeply held view that will remain all but unshakable.
The concept has some ramifications for the world vastly more significant than whether Mo is the next great NHL hockey coach or the worst thing since Barry Melrose.
FWIW, I would not judge PM this year on wins and losses
I would judge him on successfully developing the young talent that JR has accumulated, or successfully demonstrating that some of that talent belongs elsewhere. That would allow JR to make informed decisions about keeping players, jettisoning them for maximum value, and building the best, truly competitive team for next year. Winning this year is a long shot. Finding out what the young talent can do is something that the Canes could definitely do and it would have great value, far more than being 8 games over .500 instead of 8 games under .500. I am concerned based on how this preseason has unfolded that PM has a very strange, slow, uncertain way of finding out what young talent can do.
Again, contrast Seguin skating well on a top line with Bergeron last night as an introduction to the NHL preseason with Skinner with dead legs on a line with LaRose and Dwyer on dead legs. The Bruins got a pretty good indication that Seguin can contribute this year in the NHL. The Canes got a pretty good indication that Skinner can’t play well with dead legs and mediocre linemates. I consider the Bruins’ approach to developing a top prospect rational and Maurice’s approach baffling because it doesn’t appear to be intended to develop a top prospect. It isn’t clear what it’s intended to do.
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 23, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind that the original plan for the first preseason game was to put Skinner on the ice on the first line, with LaRose and Cole as his wingers.
That’s pretty much the “Eric Staal” rocking chair, right there.
It’s only the last-minute minor injury that sidelined Cole that led to Dwyer being his winger instead.
Might have been a totally different story that evening if Erik Cole had been consistently re-introducing himself to each of the two goalies they were testing that night.
Yes, he was in a center slot, but one step at a time. We have to eliminate him from that list, since it’s the position he’s most familiar playing, before moving him to winger.
Maybe one data point was enough to accomplish that. Maybe not. But, yes, I think they’ll get there.
Preseason’s not about development. It’s about assessment and readiness.
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Good point on Cole’s being dropped from the line. I’d forgotten that and it makes a big difference.
I disagree with the Canes’ current approach to assessment in the preseason—not enough urgency for my taste about assessing the ceiling of the current top prospects, which I think is the most valuable knowledge they can get in preseason—but we’ll see what happens.
by curiouscanesfan on Sep 23, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to access ceilings when no one has played NHL-level hockey for months.
by Cory Lavalette on Sep 24, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
0-2 ?
I love the ‘Canes as much as most, and I hope they win tonight 9-0, but it would be almost as fun to have them lose their second Preseason! game just to read the rants that will surely follow. Of course Staal’s playing tonight so Mo would have to share the blame…
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Ok so Paul Maurice is not Scotty Bowman. This we know. His credentials are interesting yet not awe inspiring. I know for a fact that JR really likes the talent he has assembled. He has indicated that this year will have bumps and it’s share of tough moments, he expects this team to be right in the playoff race. Next season he expects more…. Like a cup contender. He seems to feel this without Mo in the conversation. His time table is two years and he clearly expects to see constant and consistent progress.
That said, while he likes PM, if his team is not following that path, he has and will make the change.
My opinion is, this is absolutely a make or break year for Maurice. Jeff Daniels is ready and waiting. He has been groomed to be the next coach. He is clearly a teacher. I think he would be a great choice.
Bottom line, JR will not allow another 14 game winless this season. No young team should approach that figure. Maurice has a tough road ahead. This situation requires a special coach. We will soon know if he is special or not.
I attended the second practice at the reczone. It was interesting to watch how he handles his job. There was a lot of yelling and beat down. I did not see a lot of teaching. They went to the white board a lot to go over what they were going to do but no stops in play for a coaching moment. That instant correction and concept sharing is how you get your ideas into all your players’ heads.
Bottom line…. Jury is still out. One preseason game does not a season make. Ot takes time to get everyone on the same page. We did out shoot Florida…. Usually that translates into a win. Let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. The talent is undeniable. Someone developed Eric Staal. Real talent has a way of coming out.
by KenRab on Sep 23, 2010 11:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Real talent has a way of coming out.
“Talent will out” is what the old folks used to say.
Yes, more data points would be prudent before conclusions are drawn. Still very much an investigative assessment as to just what we’re holding is in progress.
Also, great observations on the coaching approach. More drill sergeant than instructor (as Lavi would do at times), at least in mid-practice. Could be delegation of instruction falls to the assistants.
I’m pretty calm myself on the coaching situation, knowing it will play out exactly as you describe. Mo has the reins until the team falters and/or he loses them.
The Coach Daniels era then begins.
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HAPPY REGARDLESS
I’m just glad to see a young team. Who cares if they get jello legs and all the other concerns. Its nice to see some speed and excited players out on the ice. I love this time of year.
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