Carolina Still Winless: Devils 4, Hurricanes 2
by Bob Wage on Oct 10, 2011 4:59 PM EDT
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The Carolina Hurricanes were afraid that they might have a rough start to the 2011-12 season, and after their first three games to start things off, it looks like their fears are becoming a reality. The New Jersey Devils controlled the game early, jumped out to 1-0 lead, withstood a Carolina rally, then scored two goals in the third period to defeat the visiting Canes, 4-2 on Monday afternoon at the Prudential Center.
The loss gives Carolina an 0-2-1 record.
The Canes went 0-5 on the powerplay, including 43 seconds of a 5-on-3, and for the third straight game, allowed a 5-on-3 chance, although in this contest they were able to kill off that opportunity.
Zach Parise started the game off with a tipped in goal off a shot by Patrik Elias at 3:59 into the game. The Devils had controlled play almost the entire time up until the goal.
The Hurricanes drew even about midway through the second period when Alexei Ponikarovsky redirected a Tim Gleason pass under Johan Hedberg. Brandon Sutter deserves some credit on the play for a well-timed screen on the goalie.
But the Devils would strike back just 40 seconds later when a trailing Mark Fayne would blast a shot past Cam Ward to give the home team a 2-1 lead.
The Canes would fight back though as Chad LaRose ripped a shot of his own past the Jersey goalie at 12:47 in the period. The second period would end 2-2, but the third period belonged to the Devils as Ilya Kovalchuk would score the game-winner six minutes and change into it.
Parise would finish things off with an empty netter, powerplay goal with just 1:06 left in the game.
Things don't get easier for their next contest on Wednesday night because they face the Stanley Cup Champion Boston Bruins.
Game Notes:
- It was another tough night for penalties as the Canes were whistled seven times for a total of 14 minutes. Even though they were able to kill off those penalties, (except for the empty netter), it's still not good to put yourself in that position and a couple of those penalties killed off momentum.
- The refs seem to have Jussi Jokinen's number this season. This game he was called for diving after being tripped by Dainius Zubrus.
- Jeff Skinner picked up another assist, (on the LaRose goal), and now has five points in the three Carolina games.
- The Canes had 26 shots on goal, led by LaRose with five and Tomas Kaberle and Justin Faulk with three each. According to our inside stat man, the Devils had 14 scoring chances to 11 for Carolina.
- For the first time this season, the Canes allowed fewer than 30 shots. Cam Ward allowed three goals on 25 attempts for an .880 save percentage. Ward has now allowed eight goals in his first two games this season, although they were tough chances to say the least.
- The team was credited with 14 hits, led by Jiri Tlusty with three.
- They finished at 50% in the faceoff circle. Staal 62%, Sutter 40%, Jokinen 44%, Brent 38%.
- Zac Dalpe continues to be buried on the bench. In this game he had a team low 11 shifts for the game with 6:42 of ice time. Management needs to look at this and see if it's best for his development.
Check out what Paul Maurice had to say next:
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Minor quibble, Canes next game is tomorrow night not Wednesday.
Why exactly is Dalpe on the roster? This is why you have a reputation for mishandling prospects Mo.
The next game is Wednesday night, 10/12, against the Bruins.
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by Jamie Kellner on Oct 10, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries. You’re just anxious to get the taste of the last three games out of your mouth sooner vs. later.
Blind optimist and Kool-Aid drinker
by Jamie Kellner on Oct 10, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So if we get blown off the ice by Boston
will THAT be enough? Or will we have to continue to suffer through Maurice?
The Condor. #63.
Canes - Devils
Frankly, I don’t care what coach Mo has to say. To echo one of the comments posted over the weekend, this team looks and plays like last years team. Having MO coach your hockey team is a lifetime sentence to a mediocre performance standard. 1-5 in the preseason followed by 0-3 out of the gate. We will be out of the playoffs by Thanksgiving.
The Faulk experiment needs to end now. He has the potential, but he is costing us right now, which is what we really don’t need. That go-ahead goal was on his shoulders. Not to mention the interference call in the Lightning game and some less than stellar defensive play in the Washington game (although one could easily give more blame to other players on those goals, he still could have played them better).
And at the same time, while I am glad LaRose scored and I loved his hustle this afternoon, get him off the 1st line PLEASE. 5 on 5 play is still a serious concern with these lines. Staal/Skinner/LaRose was largely ineffective tonight IMO. I don’t even remember any of the other lines standing out either.
And of course, the powerplay failed us again. NJ doesn’t give up many chances on 5 on 5 (which may contribute to why our play was poor in that department, but it has been a trend in the past few games), so you have to take them down on the PP. Nope. That 5 on 3 was pathetic.
And seriously Maurice…6:42? I understand Dalpe isn’t the best defensive player, but he is a goal scorer, and what do we really need at the moment (besides more disciplined players)?
Finally, I would like to complain about the lack of adjustment during the game. Not sure whose fault this lies with, but we tried dumping it in the entire game and it rarely worked. NJ is too good and Hedberg is too good of a stick handler for us to expect dumping to work on a consistent basis. Even Tripp pointed this out, saying that we needed to get more shots to the net and then getting the rebounds instead of trying to dump-and-chase or trying to get the shot in the slot.
Simply put, time is running out. 3 loses, 3 games. Including the preseason, that record is even worse. JR can’t ignore this for too long. And to top it off, we are going into a tough couple of games. I will give Maurice the Boston and Buffalo games, and if we don’t win either, he is gone.
I am more concerned about Kaberle. He is a slow version of Pitkanen and looks out of place at the moment.
Agreed
Despite playing in the preseason, Kaberle seems to not yet know where he should be, and lags behind the play. On the other hand, while Faulk made a few mistakes, he has the jump, and seems to be adjusting to the system. He looks to me like he’ll be comfortable where he’s at soon enough.
by Raccoon Fink on Oct 11, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t understand why Mo won’t play the other youngsters.
People would be giving him much more leeway with the losses to start the season if the TOI numbers looked a lot different. I’m not saying I think giving Dalpe 14+ minutes a night necessarily gives us the best chance to win, but how much can it really be hurting us considering the roster we have? Is LaRose’s energy and experience REALLY gonna win us that many more games?
And I am 100% with you on Faulk. I said to a friend after the TB game that JR saying Faulk is a top 4 defenseman says more about our blueline than it does about his development. Perhaps JR should’ve said “will be” instead of “is”
Dalpe is a producer, it makes so much sense having him in the top 6. Maurice is failing miserably on what he’s trying to accomplish here, but it doesn’t surprise me. He never were to fond of youngsters except Skinner, we saw that when he were with the Leafs, and we see that now. Out management talks so much about our future that it’s a damn shame that they’re not given the proper chances to shine.
by NorwegianCaniac on Oct 10, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
JR never came out and forced Mo to play Skinner. Skinner also took the bull by the horns when given the opportunity. Dalpe, well he had 0 points in three games in the pre-season with Staal on his line. I mean, even LaRose was able to score today while on a line with Skinner.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
Maybe I’m just not remembering it right, but I could have sworn JR said Skinner needs to be in the top 6 last season.
I recall some quotes where JR said he was happy that Skinner could play in the top 6 but I don’t recall anything where JR was pushing Mo to do something different with Skinner and give him more time. Google it and see if you can find something then post a link.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
i tend to agree, i’m 99% sure i heard JR basically call-out mo to play skins last season. will be interested to read what someone finds on that…
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re right. I’m pretty sure I remember him saying that Skinner should get more time, and deserved it as well.
by xlwino on Oct 11, 2011 8:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Find the quote. Most people on here have a google search bar, so it shouldn’t be too dificult. Find the quote then provide a link. I’ve asked for this since the middle of last season. Not once has anyone posted a link. If it’s out there it shouldn’t be that hard to find.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
I think you’re mistaken there CL. Dalpe played 1 full preseason game on a line with Staal against Columbus. He played the 2nd half of the Charlotte game with Staal & Poni; and he did have a goal in that game (and I think an assist), but not with Staal. The last game against Nashville, he was put on the 4th line and only play like 8 minutes.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
He was put on a line with Staal in the Charlotte game, but I do not recall if he scored at that point or not. Unfortunately there are no stats for that game. After that game he played on the first line with Staal at the Jets on the 28th and vs. the Blue Jackets on the 30th. In those two games he had no points and was a minus player.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
Staal did not travel to Winnipeg, so no Dalpe was not on a line with Staal that game.
If I recall correctly, Dalpe was moved to Staal’s line in Charlotte after the score was 3-0 and he did not have any points in that game with Staal. He did play the full game against Columbus on Staal’s line and had no points. So that was only 1 1/2 games of Dalpe & Staal together.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
That’s right, Staal did not travel to Winnipeg. Forgot that. Still, Dalpe was on a decent line that game and no points. Look, he had an opportunity to grab the bull by the horns and didn’t take it. What more do you want?
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
Can Staal Too? Put him on the 4th line?
Because he didn’t score?? Mo himself said they looked good together and they created good scoring chances. Dalpe fed staal twice in front of the net and Staal didn’t convert.
ALso, last I checked, 30 goal scorers score once every 3 games or so, less if they have mutiple goals in a game. 20 goal scorers score once every four games…
…so given a one game and one period try out, it’s not surprising at all he didn’t score. He looked good, had some good set-ups, but they didn’t score in a 4 period try out.
So they should be given up on? Guess we need to throw half the team out then so far this year…
What more do I want?
I want him to get a fair shake. Give him a couple of real opportunities. It doesn’t have to be with Staal. Maybe he could play with Jussi & Ruutu. Hell, just give him 12 to 14 minutes for a couple of games and lets see if he can produce any offense.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
C-Leaguer like to defend everything else with sample size
Dalpe hasn’t been givena sample size long enouogh to see what he could do. He should be given three to five games on the top line—time to work chemistry, time to work against NHL caliber goalies, and time to see if he can produce…
…as I’ve mentione dpreviously, 20-30 goal scorers don’t score in everygame, not even in every other game. So you’d need more than two games with the top line to see how it’s going.
Funny how C-leaguer uses ouur lwo sample size on our current poor PP and scoring per game, but doesn’t do the same when he says Dalpe didn’t produce in one game with Staal…
…Because he wasn’t given a long enough opportunity (sample size) to see what he could do.
He’s using stats to support his argument. He’s just focusing on certain stats, the same as I am focusing on certain stats. Its like every argument; there are always 2 sides to the story and usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I think Dalpe belongs in the top 6, he does not. That his opinion, even if it is wrong. :)
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He should be given three to five games on the top line
Why should he be given three to five games? Seriously, where has he earned that? I was at the Columbus game where he played with Staal. I remember Staal and Poni working, but not a lot out of Dalpe. What’s he done to announce his presence with authority?
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
Dalpe had the prettiest goal of the preseason, (for the Canes) on the first goal of the game in Charlotte when he ripped one past Aebischer from above the slot. He was moved to the Staal line later that game. I heard nothing but praise about how he played in the preseason, but maybe it fell off toward the end.
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This is why my gut tells me (until someone proves otherwise) that something else is amiss here. Dalpe plays over 14 minutes against Columbus on 9/30, then there’s a closed practice on 10/1, coming out of that Dalpe is reported to be on the top line with Staal and Ponikarovsky in Jussi’s absence, and then somewhere on the plane ride between here and Nashville he’s mysteriously bumped down the lines and has been there ever since. I don’t care how much people want to blame the coach for not playing prospects, it still just does not add up.
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by Jamie Kellner on Oct 10, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither
does it add up to play an injured player, even for limited minutes, when we had Nash available up until the end, and could easily have called up Bowman he played quite nicely last year at the end.
If he were injured, and Mo was only going to give him limited time, it would make more sense to have another defenseman, say McBain or Murphy, who could come in and play on the PP to provide an additional point shot. We could reslot players into the missing 4th line position. Something Mo has done repeatedly in the past…
Logically, and hockey business wise, it makes no sense to keep an injured non-waiver required player up when other non-waiver players are available to play and are better suited to 4th line duties.
Poni was also bumped down and has stayed down, yet Maurice trusts him enough to play at the end of the games with Staal and Skinner. So yes, something does seem odd, but I’m not sure what it is. But it’s not like this hasn’t happened before. If this just happened for the first time that Maurice buried a youngster with prospect on the 4th line, then I would suspect that maybe there is an injury or something similar.
Bob, your recollection matches mine. It is either Daple is hurt as Jamie posts below or it’s inscrutable logic by Maurice to put Dalpe on the fourth line. If Dalpe is healthy, he needs to be in the top six for the Hurricanes.
I never specifically said he was hurt, just that something more than reticence has to be at play here, IMO. Just too abrupt a change of heart.
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by Jamie Kellner on Oct 10, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that people want Dalpe to work out. I get it. I want him to work out. But what is there to back that up? 3 goals in 15 games last year which translates to 15 in a season. A good game in Charlotte followed up by a lack of production when paired with Staal and others in the preseason. That’s hardly the resume of a player that deserves to be in the top 6 on a team that is trying to contend for the playoffs.
Now, it’s fine for a team that wants to rebuild. Dalpe has no doubt shown some promise. But I’m reminding of a phrase about hoping in one hand and sh!tting in another and seeing which one fills up first.
A desire to play Dalpe right now is a desire for the team to do the re-build that they promised before the start of last season and never followed through on.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
rebuild = GREAT POINT
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions
3 goals in 15 games doesn’t sound super impressive, it would translate to 16 goals over 82 games. That would have only been good for 6th on the team last season. What was impressive is he did it with very limited ice time. He only averaged 7:56 per game in those 15 games. That less than half of what Skinner averaged. That is 1 goal per every 39 minutes played. That’s better than Skinner’s 1 per 46 and Staal’s 1 per 55.
And just to add, while his production in the preseason was lacking in your eyes; he did lead the team with 3 points. While that is nothing outstanding, it was 3 points in 5 games. That would translate to 49 points over 82 games; not to bad for a rookie!
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
It was also 3 points in two of the three earliest games, two of which came against a split Winnipeg Squad. As the competition got stiffer towards the end of the pre-season and as Dalpe’s linemates and TOI improved his stats fell off the table. How does this breed so much confidence in you?
Vasicek lead the team in goals one year with I think 19. That wasn’t a great thing.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
TOI
Improved in the last period of one game because he looked good and was creating chances so Mo put him with Staal. He stayed there the next game. Staal didn’t score, Poni didn’t score, but it must have been Dalpe not performing with his improved TOI so I guess he should be on the 4th line? But that’s not the case with Staal and Poni? With Ruutu?
The Buffalo game was against decent competition. It wasn’t their starting lineup, but that game was full of NHL players and in Buffalo.
And his TOI actually didn’t increase. 16 min in Buffalo, Unsure about the game in Charlotte, 18 min in Winnipeg, 14 min against Columbus, and 8 min in Nashville.
What gives you so little confidence in this kid? He has produced at every level, had 4 points in 15 NHL games last season with less than 8 minutes per game, was almost a PPG player in his 1st professional season in the AHL, led the team in points in the preseason, and many hockey analyst thought he would be a Calder candidate. What so many people see is a prospect that has potential to be real good. What you & Mo see is an, I don’t know what you guys see?
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I have very little confidence in the kid because he still looks lost on some plays in the NHL. He doesn’t make his presence known enough to be a top 6 player yet. He’s consistent and I think he can get there, but right now, I don’t think he’s there. I’ve been looking for him to take over a game for a while now, and I haven’t seen it. To be perfectly honest, it seemed as if Tlusty was much more authoritative the last few pre-season games than Dalpe was.
I also don’t think the best thing for the team or the player is to simply throw him in there. If they move him up I’d like to see him guaranteed three or four games unless he’s just bad, like say -6 bad after three games. I think there are still going to be growing pains, more so now than if he’s returned to the AHL. I think those growing pains are going to outweigh the benefits of him being in the lineup. Now, if this were a team that was rebuilding, I’d say keep him up and play him. The experience is better here than there. However, if this is a team that is aiming to make the playoffs, I can’t in good conscience say to keep him up or to elevate him beyond the fourth line role right now. If they sit Tuomo for a game or two, then I’d say give him more time. Until they either decide to tank the season (something I still think they should have done a better job of last year), or sit some injured guys, then I can’t see playing Dalpe more. Send him back to Charlotte and bring up Samson who is a better fit on the fourth line IMO.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
And very little is probably a poor choice of words. I have confidence in the guy, just not enough to grant him top 9 minutes right now.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
i disagree that you have to “earn” your way into the top 6. i would imagine the fastest skaters who can finish should be in the top 6.
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Last thing, when you say:
many hockey analyst thought he would be a Calder candidate
I would say that many analysts predicted the Canes to finish 14th or 15th in the east in 2005-06. Pre-season guessing is well and good, but you have to play the games.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
Well some predicted the Canes near the bottom this season and well, we look near the bottom so far. So maybe they know a thing or 2 about hockey.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I could really say that every single player in our lineup has looked lost at some point this season and some more than others. This team is still a scorer away from being competitive night in & out, probably 2 scorers and a defenseman from being a legit playoff team. You send Dalpe back to Charlotte and bring up Samson, you accomplish nothing but becoming less talented. With Ruutu struggling to contribute offense, with Sutter not contributing offense, this IMO is exactly the time we need Dalpe. So yes, inserting him in the top 6 is sort of sink or swim; but that is what is needed right now. Based on his AHL & AHL Playoff experience, I feel he would accept the challenge and succeed. But I (we) will never know unless Mo actually plays him more than 10 minutes a night. It takes a little time to adjust to the NHL game, it tough doing that just watching the game from the best seat in the house.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on his AHL & AHL Playoff experience, I feel he would accept the challenge and succeed.
I thought the same thing too. I really did expect Dalpe to come out and show something and it looked very promising early in the pre-season. I just don’t see it now. The game against Columbus where he was with Staal and Poni I just didn’t notice him that often, and I was looking for him. I haven’t really noticed him when he’s been on the ice these first three games, mind you I only saw the first period yesterday. I’m still waiting for that game where every or nearly every shift you mention the name Dalpe. He puts two of those games together and I’ll be right on board with him. Until them, I waiting.
I understand your point, too, about wanting offense and some of our players being lost. That’s a valid point to make. The forwards look unsettled to be mild. I can also understand the desire to try Dalpe and see if it works. My question/problem with that is such a tactic seems like a last ditch effort and I would question if that’s the point in the season we are at right now. Is this last ditch effort time? I’m not happy about the start, but I’m not at that point yet.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
It tough to notice somebody on the ice when they are sitting on the bench.
He didn’t look all that good or bad yesterday, but its got to be tough jumping into a game when you sit for 8 minutes (of game time) between chances.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Even at 8 minutes you’re still getting 10 to 12 shifts. There’s opportunity to get noticed. LaRose has done it with that limited time. K Adams did it. Craig Adams did it.
When have you ever heard Forslund say “Dalpe, that’s a name I’ve been saying a lot every time he’s on the ice.” I don’t recall that. He had 197 shifts last season per nhl.com. How many do you recall as noticable? What about so far this year?
I was looking forward greatly to the Columbus game where I would get to see Dalpe with Staal and Poni. I remember Poni and Staal, but I don’t remember Dalpe. It’s fine to go unnoticed if you’re a defensemen or a fourth line guy, not if you’re top 6.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
I noticed him in yesterday’s game, but I was actually looking for him. But he was not standing out. I did notice LaRose a lot yesterday. One player that I didn’t notice as much yesterday, and I will probably get blasted for this, was Skinner.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
I unfortunately missed all but the first period of yesterday’s game.
I’m still waiting for Dalpe to have a break out game, or a break out stretch of games. Recall two years ago that even while the team as a whole stunk Sutter was putting together a nice run. Or what Skinner did last year. When he puts it together and you start to notice him for a few games that’s when I’m going to clammor for him to get more ice time. He did that early this pre-season, got more ice time, didn’t do much with it. He’s going to have to earn himself another shot.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
I just see him as the best available option right now. Maybe he fails, but we will not know until trying. He has the skill set to be a top 6 players, but until he is given that opportunity; all he has is potential.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
Again though, what out there of his NHL play makes you think that Dalpe would succeed in that role? Where is the Dalpe game or stretch of games you can point to to say “look at this, this kid can play with authority on the top 6 because he’s already done it, even if it is in limited situations.” Where is that at?
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by that logic, we should never ever bring anyone up from charlotte ever again until they prove themselves.
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
On another team
when that team gives them NHL time. Grabner was passed on by two teams. The Isles gave him ice time last year (l know like they had other options right?) look how he turned out. Marty St Louis was put on waivers and moved until he got his shot at playing time and learned/proved he could play as well.
Most other teams recognize most of the AHL prospects ned time to learn the NHL game, and they let them play, coach and mentor them, and see how they perform over time. Not from the 4th line…
Not from the 4th line…
Got any sort of stats to back that up? Or, are you claiming to be an expert on how other teams develop prospects and we should simply accept your word as expert testimony?
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Never claimed as such
Look to Buffalo, Pitt, NJ, Colorado, NYR, Sharks, etc and you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about—they play players where they expect to slot them and want to see how they play. They give em chances and coach them through rough moments…
Well, that’s what Nashville does and it works for them.
But no, all I’m asking is a young player to make the most of an opportunity and get noticed. You don’t have to have a lot of ice time to get noticed.
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Again
See my previous posts as well. Look at comments from all the other forward prospects. Tehy all say the same about Mo—to get noticed by Mo you have to go out and play safe, defensively sound play on the fourth line. You have to play differently than eveyr other role you’ve played. When it get repeated over and over again by different prospects, it’s not just conjecture.
Dalpe probably feels the same way Bowman and Samson did last year—I can’t take a chance, I don’t want to try to play to my offensive creativity or I’ll not play at all. It’s not his role, it’s not his strength, so how does he stand out???
He stands out by being given a shot to show what he showed in the early pre-season. By being given a chance to learn and adapt to the pro game and build chemistry with his linemates and playing the game he excels at. i.e. by playing on higher lines with better talent and trying to score.
Even Mo said the team had no chemistry so he tried to leave things to let it develop—except with Dalpe, becaue Mo favors Vets over prospects. I, and others, saw something difernt than you. I noticed good offensive plays by Dalpe when he was on the ice with Staal. I though there was something there to build on (Mo made the saem comment but never let it stay…)
See my previous posts as well. Look at comments from all the other forward prospects
Link?
Dalpe probably feels the same way Bowman and Samson did last year—I can’t take a chance, I don’t want to try to play to my offensive creativity or I’ll not play at all. It’s not his role, it’s not his strength, so how does he stand out???
So wait, Dalpe can’t figure out when to pinch on the fourth line, which generally means he’s playing against lesser talent, and somehow that’s a positive statement about his talent and a reason to give him the keys to the castle? I don’t understand that logic.
I, and others, saw something difernt than you. I noticed good offensive plays by Dalpe when he was on the ice with Staal.
Perhaps so, but I noticed Poni more than Dalpe.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
Charlotte, Ohio State, the small stretches I got to see of him last season. That is what makes me “think” he can do it. Like I’ve said, I may be wrong; but we have to give it a chance to see if I’m right or wrong.
Do you think Boychuk deserves top 6 minutes? He played very limited time on the top line last season with Staal & Cole. What did he do to justify that?
All you can do is look at the players past history and then roll the dice. That’s how this works. It’s the same thing with Murphy, we don’t know what the kid can do against NHL competition while sitting in the press box.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
Charlotte, Ohio State, the small stretches I got to see of him last season. That is what makes me "think" he can do it.
Okay, cool. Agree to disagree on that point.
Do you think Boychuk deserves top 6 minutes? He played very limited time on the top line last season with Staal & Cole. What did he do to justify that?
At the end of the 2009-10 season Boychuk had some good games in the NHL, had a spectacular goal where he skated through the entire team to score. He’s looked defensively liable since then so I wouldn’t say he’s earned another shot.
As I said above, I don’t dislike the guy. I really think he’s got a shot to be a Justin Williams type in that he’ll be solid an take over an occaisional game or stretch of games. I just haven’t seen it yet, or seen enough from his time in the NHL to make me think he’s ready.
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January 1, 2011 through January 9, 2011. Dalpe played in 5 games with the Canes. The Canes went 3-0-2. Dalpe had 3 goals in 45:13 minutes of play, so roughly 9 minutes a game. That is an NHL stretch that makes me think the kids has the ability to produce at the NHL level.
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Thanks for that stretch. That’s some good work to put that all together.
I would just say that you’re talking about giving a guy who hasn’t scored a goal since January 9 more time in the top 9.
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I would refute that by saying he hasn’t been given much time since that last goal. He has only played in 6 “official” NHL games since then and here are his ice times.
4:28
6:11
6:26
10:38
7:50
6:42
For an average of roughly 7 minutes a game. So it might indicate that given more ice time, Dalpe’s production seems to increase. Interesting?
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Boychuk had one of the prettiest goals I’ve ever seen a few years ago in an NHL game. There was a faceoff just outside the offensive zone and the puck was won back to Boychuk who the proceeded to skate through the entire team and make the goalie look bad. Unfortunately the game is about how good you can be all the time, not how good you were once.
Also, if we take out the Charlotte game Dalpe’s preseason numbers are pretty lacking. That Jets squad was probably the worst the Canes played in the pre-season given as how Winnipeg had a split squad.
I heard nothing but praise about how he played in the preseason, but maybe it fell off toward the end.
I don’t think there is any maybe about it. First week there was a lot of praise for Dalpe. Then he got elevated and didn’t produce. The last week all of the praise was for Murphy and Dalpe. As a matter of fact I recall a quote by either JR of MO about the lack of competition at forward the last week of pre-season.
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“Then he got elevated and didn’t produce.”
No one produced, so how come he gets demoted and others, that also didn’t produce, get promoted? The only logic in that is that someone doesn’t trust him or he rubbed someone the wrong way.
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Let’s look at who is battling with Dalpe for PT. Players include Stewart, who is also on the 4th line, Poni, Dwyer, Tlusty, and LaRose. Right now there are only three players doing anything at forward, Staal, Skinner, and Sutter. Tuomo is a shell of himself. Jussi is out of place at center. LaRose is well overslotted, but is so because he’s played better than some of the others. Where does Dalpe go? First line with Staal and Skinner? That got tried in the PS and didn’t produce great results. Second line with Tlusty and Jussi? Jussi is a bit lost right now, how does pairing Dalpe with him help any of that? Third line with Sutter and Poni? That’s more of a checking role than the fourth line. It would up his TOI, but change what he has to do. That’s fine if increasing TOI is the only goal, but not if it’s about getting him used to playing in the NHL. The fact is playing with Brent and Stewart right now probably suits his game better than playing on more of a checking line like Sutter and Poni would.
There’s no grand conspiracy here. If there was R-truth would tell us who was sitting around the conspiracy table and Handleman would devote an hour of his show to it.
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Again
A one game, one period try out isn’t indicative of anything. Go back and watch. They generated good chances and kept good pressure. They just failed to put the puck in the net. They looked better than half the team.
Dalpe scored a goal in preseason, had three points. You want to discount that, while you’re not willing to discount lower performance against the same opposition from most of our vets and the people playing above Dalpe—who are still not getting the job done.
You point to Dalpe’s few goals in limited time up here. Read the quotes of all the other prospects—what Mo wants from them on those lines is defensive responsibility, not attempts take risks or try to score goals. Yet Dalpe scored with a shooting percentage and a scoring rate per minute higher than most of the team.
Discount all you want, but there is less backing up your arguments against Dalpe than ther are supporting them. On a team with limited offense so far in the pre-season and carrying over into the regular season, we could use some more scoring talent in the top lines.
There’s a reason we don’t develop prospects. There’s a reason no forwards outside the first round don’t develop with the Canes—we never give them the chance. Yet Buffalo (just one example) does develop their guys, and they play them in th epositions they were draftd for…
It was more than one period.
Dalpe scored a goal in preseason, had three points. You want to discount that,
Not true. I’m just not over valuing it. He had a goal the first preseason game then two points against the only team the Canes beat. Scoreless elsewhere and minus. I’m not sure about you, but I tend to value later pre-season play higher than early pre-season play as the competition usually gets stiffer and players are closer to top form. I’m not sure why everyone is jumping all over three points from early pre-season games. Didn’t O’Sullivan put up even better numbers last year? Should the Canes try to pry O’Sullivan away from Detroit?
My only contention is that Dalpe is not ready and is probably better served in the AHL right now. Personally, I’d bring up Nash as he’s a center and can hopefully plug that whole at second line center long enough for Ruutu to get healthy.
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I agree that he is better served in the AHL than wasting away on the 4th line. But if this team needs scoring, which it appears they do, Dalpe is the most likely prospect to provide that. Jussi/Ruutu/Stewart (our 2nd line against NJ) has accounted for 1 goal & 2 assists between them. Why wouldn’t you try to add another scorer in Dalpe there to see if they could put up some points? You never know until you try.
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by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
But if this team needs scoring, which it appears they do, Dalpe is the most likely prospect to provide that.
I agree with that, I just feel as if the Jussi at center Ruutu injury has the forwards spread so thin that Dalpe is going to end up playing with someone else who is lost and that’s not a help to him. Look, if Ruutu can’t draw the defense and create space while hitting, and if Jussi is not playing great at center, what about Dalpe’s play so far makes you think he alone can overcome that situation? That’s not a knock on Dalpe, that’s more a reflection of just what type of player it would take to make that work. Said player would have to be Skinner level or better, at least that’s my opinion. Do you think Dalpe is Skinner level? I don’t. I do think he can play in the top 6 when everyone else is healthy and he’s able to get some space, but I don’t think he can carry a line at this point in his career which is what he’d have to do right now if paired with Ruutu and Jussi.
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I know Ruutu is struggling, but I don’t think Jussi is as bad as you are leading on. I don’t believe Dalpe could carry that line, but having him there would give Jussi another option. Zac has a great shot and Jussi has vision. If Ruutu could draw some attention by crashing the net, that could open Dalpe up and create some scoring chances. I just don’t see that Dalpe would have to carry that line if he was on it. I also don’t see any other player (not named Staal or Skinner) that would better with Jussi & Ruutu at the moment.
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by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jussi’s still producing some, but he’s also taken a number of bad penalties. I just don’t like him at center. I don’t think that’s the place place for him to fit.
Much of what else you say about Ruutu opening space and Jussi’s vision and how that would help Dalpe I would agree with if Ruutu were healthy and was able to play center.
FWIW, I think the Ruutu injury is the most pressing issue for the team right now. It has so many ripple effects that the team isn’t able to address. It reminds me in some ways of a few years back when the Panthers were running a 4-3 defense and had no one on the line up who had ever played middle line backer.
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So try Dalpe at center between Jussi & Ruutu. Hell try him at center between Jussi & Stewart, let Ruutu rest. Bring up Brett Sutter to provide some energy on the 4th line.
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I suggest this elsewhere, but I would put Dalpe with Jussi & Ruutu. I would also move Poni up the the 1st with Staal & Skinner. Have Sutter & Stewart with take your pick Dwyer, LaRose, Tlusty. And Brent centering whoever is left over.
If Dalpe doesn’t work out, then fine I would be wrong. But at least try something that might work. At every level, Dalpe has been a scorer. This team needs scoring. Try him in a spot where you generally see scoring like the 2nd line.
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by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I would put Dalpe with Jussi & Ruutu. I would also move Poni up the the 1st with Staal & Skinner
I would have no problems with that if Ruutu weren’t hurt. His game is not where it needs to be because of that. Jussi at center is not working. I think if you through Dalpe with those two he’s going to be lost because he’s young and will be playing with two other forwards who are lost at the moment.
My assumption is that because Jussi and Ruutu are a bit lost now that the only way the line works with Dalpe is if Dalpe is somehow able to fix everything. Nothing I’ve seen about his game so far leads me to believe that.
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So, you believe Stewart can do better? He can fix Jussi & Ruutu? Let me just ask what your ideal lines would be at this moment; given what we’ve seen so far? Maybe that will help me understand your point of view because I am not seeing it.
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by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
don’t mind me, BUT…i think dalpe deserves a shot at a top six slot for 2-3 games since we don’t exactly know what he can or more importantly can’t do. we know exactly what dwyer, rosie, et. al. can bring to the table. give the kid 13-15 minutes a game with some decent linemates so AT LEAST the opposition will have to gameplan against that line
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by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I would agree with that if Ruutu was healthy or Jussi looked comfortable at #2 center. Right now, there really is no second line for this team and that’s hurting a lot. The first line is having to carry the play way too much, and that’s meaning the beneficial matchups the Canes rely on for the second and third lines to get going aren’t happening.
I honestly feel that throwing Dalpe out there now would be akin to throwing him to the sharks, and I’ve yet to see anything that says he won’t get eaten alive if it happens tomorrow.
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Honestly, I’m not sure right now, given the injury to Ruutu that I can craft you a decent set of lines. I’ve been saying that the second line center was an issue for quite a while, and with Ruutu out that only exacerbates that problem. If I had to do something right now I’d say something along the lines of:
Staal – Jussi – Poni
Nash – Ruutu – Skinner
Sutter – Stewart – LaRose
Brent – Tlusty – Dwyer
Spreads out the offense in the top 6, Still maintains a decent checking line at #3 and a fourth line that can eat a few minutes. It’s still weak at #2 center, but I think Nash is a better option there than Jussi at the moment. Plus, I like the Staal Poni combo in the pre-season.
Now, when everyone get’s healthy I’d try to fit Dalpe in on the second or third line to get him used to playing, maybe send Nash down, move Ruutu back to center and put Stewart up there then have a third line of Dalpe, Sutter, and LaRose. I like the idea of Dalpe, Sutter, and LaRose because of the speed that line has even if it is undersized. Give Dalpe a few games there, see what he can do, then if he proves himself worthy by creating some scoring chances and making people notice every time he’s on the ice maybe swap Dalpe with Stewart.
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since you're a stats guy...
so far in this young ahl season, nash is a -2 with 3 shots on goal in 2 games. bowman, +3, 6 shots on goal. Matsumoto, +2, 9 shots on goal. Samson, +3, 8 shots on goal. what in this would “earn” Nash a second line gig, and not Dalpe? why not bring up matsumoto, bowman, and samson, and make them your third line? keep staal-jussi-poni, make it sutter-ruutu-skinner second line, keep brent-tlusty-dwyer-stewart-larose rotating on fourth. just thinkin out loud…
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by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Nash’s play in camp I think is more germane to making the decision at this point than his play in Charlotte since being returned.
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Why?
Based on your reasoning that Dalpe’s three points didn’t matter since they didn’t happen later, then Nash is in the same situation. Not only that, whether you think his play in Charlotte isn’t germane or not, Dalpe was the #1 last year, not Nash. Dalpe is the scorer, not Nash.
The question wasn’t about Dalpe vs. Nash. It was Nash vs. Bowman, Matsumoto and Samson.
Based on your reasoning that Dalpe’s three points didn’t matter since they didn’t happen later
That’s a gross mischaracterization. As I’ve said above, I’m not saying they don’t matter, I’m just not inflating three points in two early pre-season games to mean a lot. I offer up the O’Sullivan comparison again if you’d like to respond to that this time.
See my comments below about Dalpe not making a name for himself out on the ice.
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But by using your argument, what did Nash do in his last 2 preseason games to justify the 2nd or 3rd line center spot?
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Is the question Dalpe vs. Nash or Nash vs. Bowman etc? I’ve already mentioned below that I think the org wants to keep Dalpe at wing in the NHL which is why I didn’t suggest Dalpe for the #2 center over Nash. I’ve also already mentioned about how I would like to see Dalpe at #2 center.
To me asking Dalpe vs. Nash is like asking Dalpe vs. Kaberle, at least in how the organization sees them. They consider them different positions for whatever reason. Perhaps I’m reading too much in to Nash being kept up for Ruutu. Perhaps the idea was to slide Dalpe in to Ruutu’s spot and have Nash take Dalpe’s spot on the wing. The comments from JR at the time seemed more like Nash was taking Ruutu’s spot.
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Just asking; how is Nash a better option than Dalpe right now? Dalpe can play center if that is what you are looking for. I believe that Dalpe was the Checkers #1 center last season.
I think Nash had a solid preseason, but I would say Dalpe’s was just as good if not better. And the Canes actually asked more of Dalpe than Nash. So, putting Nash in there would almost definitely be throwing him to the sharks.
Your argument seems to be Nash is more ready than Dalpe and I just don’t know where you are getting that from.
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by PackPride17 on Oct 11, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
For whatever reason the Canes seem to want to play Dalpe at wing in the NHL. I’m not sure I totally understand it myself. I was hoping in many ways that Dalpe would play the #2 center this season. I think in one of the bold prediction threads I mentioned that and that it was more of a hope than a prediction, but still something I’d like as it could solve the #2 center whole.
I’d personally be okay with Dalpe getting a shot there, but I think the org is higher up on Nash at that spot, as Nash was retained to cover for an injured Ruutu if needed. I think Nash’s game is a bit simpler, so maybe the thinking is it’s more easy to translate.
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Taking Dalpe Out of the Picture is the Worst Option
CL, in your proposed lines you craft a set that excludes Zac entirely and essentially replaces his presence with Nash. I understand your argument about comparing Nash vs. Dalpe and Nash vs. the other Checkers. The point is, however, that the entire coaching staff clearly felt that Dalpe was superior to Nash in preseason, enough so that they retained Dalpe on the NHL club.
I would suggest that the issue isn’t that Dalpe isn’t ready for the “pressure” of the Top 6 (or even the Top 9)…it is simply that you cannot judge his abilities in that 4th line role. Short shifts, short minutes do not lend themselves to saying, “…boy I sure do notice that Dalpe kid”…that’s not what happened to Chad, Kevin, or Craig either…they got noticed when, as was the case for Chad, he was forced onto the 3rd line because of injury, or because of gritty play almost exclusively on the PK.
A scorer has to be given an opportunity to become part of the flow of the game and the best way to do that is to start on a scoring line with other, creative, and skilled players. Throw pre-season out, because despite what you may say or think, those in the know (coaching staff) clearly saw Dalpe as the best forward prospect for the team right now.
To assume that a scorer cannot handle the pressure of failing IF given the opportunity to grasp that role is just not the mentality that most scorers possess. So while I won’t comment on Mo and team’s in-game coaching prowess, I will say that they are clearly mishandling an incredibly talented and driven prospect….and doing so because for some misplaced reasoning they feel “safer” with LaRose and Dwyer in scoring roles.
BTW, if Ruutu is hurt, can we all just agree to sit him down for a few games and let him get healthy. Using Tlusty in his role was a good idea as was bringing Brett Sutter up for the 4th line. Heck, bring Bowman up…but quit letting the “guts and grit” of a player dictate poor personnel decisions.
Even with limited shifts guys can get noticed.
As for putting him on the top line, he had time there this pre-season and wasn’t very noticable out on the ice. I was looking for him in the Columbus pre-season game and he wasn’t very visible.
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Not when they
are not playing to their strengths and when they are told by Mo to play certain ways and not play to their offensive creativity…
Why are you so willing to apologize for Dalpe’s play? Why are you so willing to give an excuse for him? What prevents him from being creative on the fourth line? What’s stopping him from showing what he’s got once he’s out on the ice? What’s preventing him from making a good pass, or making a man miss when bringing the puck up the ice, or getting in the corners and winning battles all night? What’s stopping him?
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The roles of those lines and the time limits some of his creativity. Like NotOpie mentioned above, not getting in the flow of the game prevents him from showing us some things he can do.
What’s stopping him; ummm, MO!
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Mo doesn’t wear pads and Mo doesn’t win pucks out of the corner. There’s nothing stopping Dalpe from doing these things. Get noticed for tenacity then go from there.
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One last quick point…the reason that Chad LaRose gets noticed and that Johnny F. comments on his efforts has more to do with the surprising nature of the occurrence and less to do with “fighting to get noticed”. A rough parallel is Jussi Jokinen getting noticed for his two ill-advised penalties over the last couple of games. A typical, so it gets commented upon…I’m guessing Justin Faulk wishes he was getting noticed a little less right about now…
I’d agree with you in the Jussi case, but not in the LaRose case. That kid did everything night in and night out in 2005-06 to stick with a very good team. It may have been unexpected, but it was still quality time in limited minutes.
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PM couldn’t send Skinner down after the first 10 games. Otherwise who knows?
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree. Faulk will be excellent but he’s not ready. We’ve played three games and he’s – 6 for a reason.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I said it after the Tampa game, he has no business being put in the top 4 of our defense. Has the potential of being really good but no way he should be having to play top 4 minutes in the NHL a year after playing college hockey. In saying that, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him on the top pairing against Boston.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.
by anonymousJ on Oct 10, 2011 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WHERE IS MURPHY?????
I mean, if we’re going to play a rookie….
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Oct 10, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd get much the same
As we’re getting with Faulk, only Murphy wasn’t “as good” defensively, and is much smaller. Considering the size of Boston’s forward, I’d like to see Joslin given his turn and let Faulk watch a game from the press box—with Wesley by his side—pointing out play, responses, good, bad, etc.
Would be incredibly benficial, wouldn’t hurt, and could provide good benefit…
Amen
Faulk leads (?) the NHL in plus /minus with a -6. That has to be close to every even strength goal given up in 3 games; He has also taken 10 pims, When does the erroneous group think on this experiment end?
Meanwhile McBain and Joslin watch from the press box.
Dalpe is even in plus/minus with an average of 8:23 in ice time. From pre-season top 6 talk and early hype as potential Calder finalist to last off the bench. Would love to hear the explanation on this one.
All 5 decisions are bad for each players career development
Early season observation: Skinner -4, Stahl -4. Ruutu -5. A new spin on the high production line theory. At least these 3 put Faulk in good company.
Don't forget Jussi at Center
And his poor face-off percentage and overall frustration level each game. He’s not normally a penalty taker…
Agreed. I mean, Harrison on the point? Really? I know his offensive side is somewhat underrated, but that doesn’t mean it’s good.
by NorwegianCaniac on Oct 10, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Which will happen first?
Mo fired or Dalpe sent to Charlotte? I’m betting it’s Dalpe to Charlotte. What’s the point of having him here with Mo as coach?
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 5:43 PM EDT reply actions
In his spare time, Maurice runs Netflix
only way to explain the decisions in both organizations.
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Oct 10, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Isn’t it weird that the more former Leafs we have on our roster, the more the results look like the old Maple Leafs.
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WHERE IS THE PP???????????
i didn’t grow up playing hockey. but i played soccer forever and even if your defense is good, you gotta be scoring goals especially when you have the advantage. our winning streak last season was because temporarily the PP worked. it’s gone again. poof. where did it go? why can’t any coach on the team help to create an effective PP???
First, you do realize Staal had two PP goals against Washington, right?
Second, have you seen the PP this season compared to last season? This year the team is not only able to attain the zone but they are also able to set up possession much better and to get shots off. Right now the Canes are converting at a 14.3% clip, limited sample size though. Not great, not terrible. The PK is at 68.8%. You want to look for a problem look there.
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when it mattered yesterday, we couldn't convert and lost the game
staal scored 2 goals on PP, which is great, but overall not there yet
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by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I get a little worried about talking about conversion rates on the PP after just three games. There have been a few pucks that hit posts this year. Had those bounced in instead of out then the team is closer to 30% than 15%. In a large sample size those things balance out. In this limited one, not as much.
I think the PP looks much better than it did last year though. The zone entry is less telegraphed which is helping a lot. When the point men get the puck they are taking time and drawing out defensemen. There’s a lot more passing across the ice trying to get the goalie and defense moving side to side. Those are big steps above how the PP looked last year.
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I thought the first PP against NJ was our best. We were moving around, switching positions, and passing well. Then we went back to having Staal parked in front of the net and some of the movement stopped. Having someone in front of the net is not bad, but when we where moving around more, we looked better IMO.
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Please Help...
Has anyone seen Ruutu this season? Do we need to put him on milk cartons? I know, “HOW DARE YOU, THATS’ BLASPHEMY”…. or “he’s injured”. There are many problems on this team, and not having a “core guy”show up is one of the worst.
Ruutu is injured
He missed time in the preseason. They should sit him down and let him heal, but that would mean giving Dalpe more minutes or calling up still another unworthy prospect. So Ruutu will play poorly for health reasons until he either collapses or heals despite playing.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo Standard?
Because the 4th line would be Dalpe, Brent and Nash?
Wait…that might work, better not give them time.
I really can’t believe no one is talking about this.
He’s completely MIA, except on plus/minus where he’s team-worst (oops take that back, he’s minus -5, Faulk is minus -6).
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by Jamie Kellner on Oct 10, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
There isn’t much to talk about honestly. I think it is obvious that he is still suffering that injury, and he is often suffering from injuries. We know it’s not like him to play soft for no reason.
Macho?
The question is, why isn’t Ruu resting and getting better instead of playing three games in four days? Are we stupid? If we have any prospects worth a damn, let’s use them.
My guess is the players don’t want ever to seem to be unwilling to play regardless of injury so they’ll keep going out there. That’s commendable in a way, but coaches should exert their authority for the sake of the team. It would be better to lose a couple more games if Ruutu is out for 10 days than to have Ruutu unable to play close to his usual level for the rest of the season.
It’s interesting to speculate whether Staal might have gotten over his groin pull last season if he took two weeks off and then been able to come on strong down the stretch the way Skinner did, helping the Canes make the playoffs.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If he’s costing us production on the top two lines, he’s worth talking about IMO. What do I know, but I didn’t think he had any business playing in the last couple of preseason games either.
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by Jamie Kellner on Oct 10, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never said he was without blame. For anything.
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by Jamie Kellner on Oct 10, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
THEN HE SHOULD SIT
Period. Call up Nash, or whoever is next, give him and Dalpe time. Tired of the injured BS. He’s costing the team, both by poor play and taking minutes from healthy people that can contribute.
The Enigma
I am not ready to throw in the towel yet, but I sense that things are going South for the Canes. I honestly think that the team has talent and potential and is not a cellar dweller line up. Effort and heart do not seem to be the issue. Maybe it is something else….like leadership, vision, and belief in the team. While it is understandable that we have a tough opening stretch against tough teams, we have a new team that may need to build chemistry, and the season is still very young…..it is not understandable that so many things have not changed.
"Forget about style; worry about results."
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i just don't get what's wrong. you're exactly right. this season's rhetoric is sounding like last season's
once we recruit the right players…and are healed…and practice and go through a strenuous training camp, we’ll be on fire. then why are we sluggish, confused-looking, and still have no PP?
yup
Mo’s message is stale. You can see it when the players take the ice.
This is by no means a defense of Mo, but I think this season is even more JR’s fault then last. Start with the trade deadline and not moving out Cole, and others, when the sellers at the deadline last year were clear winners. Then go to July 1 where he lets Cole leave. albeit to a contract that no one would want to match. Then in to pre-season where some forward prospect looked good early, but all fell off the table a bit. Add to it Ruutu being injured taking away the best option for the #2 center which is causing havoc up and down the lineup. Couple that with the desire to keep Faulk even those he’s -6.
Mo can take his share, but I’m reminded of a quote I read in puck daddy (stick tap to DBSJ for helping me remember the location last night). I don’t recall it exactly but the jist was that the team will underpreform when Mo gets fired as it will be obvious that JR hasn’t assembled a good team. I thought it was nuts at the time, but now that we’ve seen 9 games including the pre-season I’m starting to think it’s accurate.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
Hmmmm….I think the quote was something like….“….he played like a man, he played like a man in the NHL”…and I think it was attributed to Mo talking about Jiri Tlusty…now buried on the 4th line with the …“….top 6 talent”, Zac Dalpe…I know, I know, I’m repeating myself and everybody else, but man that worm sure does turn quickly….I’m guessing that Dalpe must have said something nice about Boychuk, cause that’s the only thing that could have gotten him this deep in the dog house….who knows what poor Jiri did…
So who would be better than Mo?
Dave Lewis? I don’t know. He bombed in Boston, but was that his fault? He’s a defensive guy, and we need more offense.
Jeff from Charlotte? At least he might trust the young guys more.
I don't think thats the question
To me, the better question is, who can we bring in with the vision to play players where they belong. Who can see past loyalties, and say “chad, you aren’t top 6, not have a seat until we need a kill”, . etc…
I would lose like this nightly and be okay with it, IF the org was moving in a positive direction and not giving me the same crap I’ve seen for the past 2 seasons.
I really think that it’s time someone pony up and admit that the coach’s preferred style doesn’t fit the talent available and vice versa, and because of this, we are on the road to a long season again.
Right. The team consistently drafts skill and offense (even in defensemen) and then hands the players to Maurice, who wants no part of them.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Slow Mo
I’ve never known a Maurice-coached team to start off quickly. Traditionally, the Hurricanes are a slow starting team. Of course, the one year they did get off to a quick start the Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup.
Corvo has more speed but will cough up the puck up more. Kaberle isn’t as fast but makes better decisions and is smoother. I, at least, can tell the difference.
by hockeythoughts on Oct 10, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year they won their 1st 2 games and didn’t make the playoffs; so they thought they would go with a different approach this season.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 10, 2011 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lavi’s team had a strong October and November in 2005-2006.
by hockeythoughts on Oct 10, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but they were taking unacceptable risks throughout. Didn’t matter that they were outscoring the other teams. They weren’t playing sound hockey. The Stanley Cup should have gone to the most defensively responsible team, not the team that won the games.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This is an honest question
I’ve never noticed Kaberle play before, when he was with other teams. What makes him worth that much money? He looks S-L-O-W. Corvo was fast, at least.
He’s very skilled with the Puck, an excellent passer. But it does look as though it’s critical to pair him with somebody that will without fail cover for him when he pinches. When I’ve seen Kaberle look confused or out of place, I think he’s been surprised to find out where his defensive partner is. I think the Faulk experiment has caused problems for more than one pairing. Faulk doesn’t belong in the top 4, but there he is, so he has to be paired with another offensive defenseman, because Pitkanen and Kaberle are also in the top 4. Meanwhile, Allen and Harrison are paired and they have the same weaknesses. The defense is willfully messed up on the Faulk-is-NHL-ready-now theory.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dalpe's Confidence
I’m really concerned that the way he is being handled could greatly effect his confidence and he will not become the player I think he can be. So I’m going to make a sign for him for the Boston game. It will say:
“Zac, keep your head up, we the fans support you even though the MOron behind the bench doesn’t. Don’t worry, he’ll be gone soon enough, fingers crossed.”
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 10, 2011 6:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It has absolutely nothing to do with his size.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
that wasn't a knock on his size
“coming up short” means not performing up to expectations, not up to snuff, not up to par… Nothing to do with size.
by xlwino on Oct 11, 2011 8:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s going to be one big sign to get all that on it.
by hockeythoughts on Oct 10, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we see this with every prospect. You’d like to see them overcome it, but at some point they lose hope that that is possible with Mo as coach. So they hope for a trade.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe the team doesn’t draft and develop as well as we thought they did.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
So Faulk is overslotted in the top 4 because of his age and experience and Dalpe isnt getting enough time on the 4th line. Go jump off a freaking bridge..please.
If they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it
by Killswitch on Oct 10, 2011 6:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Was that directed at me? Because I have never said ANYTHING about Faulk being overslotted.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 10, 2011 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One thing I have noticed about Faulk is he can hit hard. McBain doesn’t hit as hard. We have two smooth skaters in Kaberle and Pitkanen so McBain may not play until one of those two sit.
by hockeythoughts on Oct 10, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I mention McBain because I assume that Faulk is in McBain’s spot. Faulk will be fine; he just needs to stop taking so many penalties.
by hockeythoughts on Oct 10, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont worry, people would be bitching about Mcbain for the same things if he were in, same as last year.
If they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it
by Killswitch on Oct 10, 2011 7:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Faulk was playing the pre-season on different pairings and wasn’t playing every game. Then JR said Faulk belonged in the top 4. Next game, Faulk was suddenly a regular season starter in the top 4. Coincidence?
Yeah, that was after Mo said he couldnt find a thing wrong with the kids game.
If they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it
by Killswitch on Oct 10, 2011 6:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let’s see. If Faulk is – 6 after 3 games, he’s on pace for a – 164 season in the Canes’ top 4.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Give him a chance, he’s just a prospect…you keep bad mouthing him like that and you’ll ruin his confidence and he’ll ask for a trade.
If they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it
I don’t think anyone is trying to criticize him too much, but the truth is, he is being played as a 2nd pairing defenseman right now and he isn’t working there, yet there are better options available at the moment.
I just find it funny that some people on here are running their mouths about Mo not giving any young players a chance yet at the same time talking out their rear end about how Faulk shouldn’t be playing where he is. Which is it?
If they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it
I believe the issue some people have is that Dalpe isn’t being given the opportunity to demonstrate his ability at the NHL level in the same way Faulk is. Faulk is being given a full time roll and it just isn’t working right now. At least in my opinion, I want to see Dalpe put in situations to see if he is ready to perform at this level consistently. Faulk has had 3 full games to prove he is ready, and he does not appear to be. If others share the same sentiment I do then we just want to see Dalpe given the chance to contribute. If after 3 games he doesn’t look like he can perform adequately in the NHL then we will similarly call for his roll to be minimized
by Clemson Caniac on Oct 10, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Spot on.
Many people want to see how Dalpe will perform in a bigger role. None of us are sure that he will suddenly be a 20 goal scorer, but when he is on the 4th line, we will never know what he will ever be. If he gets promoted up to the 4th line and he turns out to be a flop, then he can go back to the 4th line or the AHL. But sitting him on the 4th line when it seems illogical for him to be there is a detriment to his development.
How is not scoring in three games in the preseason while with Staal and being a minus player not a flop? How is that a reason to continue him in the top 6 if this team is trying to contend for the playoffs?
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
so C- leaguer, are you advocating for Dalpe to stay on the 4rth line the rest of his career?
Editing Manager of Canes Country.com
Obviously not.
Copying from an above post:
Let’s look at who is battling with Dalpe for PT. Players include Stewart, who is also on the 4th line, Poni, Dwyer, Tlusty, and LaRose. Right now there are only three players doing anything at forward, Staal, Skinner, and Sutter. Tuomo is a shell of himself. Jussi is out of place at center. LaRose is well overslotted, but is so because he’s played better than some of the others. Where does Dalpe go? First line with Staal and Skinner? That got tried in the PS and didn’t produce great results. Second line with Tlusty and Jussi? Jussi is a bit lost right now, how does pairing Dalpe with him help any of that? Third line with Sutter and Poni? That’s more of a checking role than the fourth line. It would up his TOI, but change what he has to do. That’s fine if increasing TOI is the only goal, but not if it’s about getting him used to playing in the NHL. The fact is playing with Brent and Stewart right now probably suits his game better than playing on more of a checking line like Sutter and Poni would.
I don’t see a lot of other places to slot him now without saying you’re out there no matter what, the result of the game be damned.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
By your logic
None of the top six would be top six since they weren’t scoring in the pre-season either…
So, just because you don’t get a point on the top line means you should be on the fourth line?
First of all, as already pointed out, he didn’t play 3 games with Staal.
Second, who else has played with Staal and didn’t get any points? Let’s see…someone by the name of Ruutu. I don’t have the preseason stats, but I don’t think Poni did produced either. And both those players played more with Staal than Dalpe did. Yet neither of them are on the 4th line.
Poni actually had 2 goals that were assisted by Staal.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
He’s going to be terrific but he’s not ready. Let him thrive for a couple of months in the AHL and then come back. It’s a disservice to him to play him in the top 4 now.
JR and Mo can say what they want, but Faulk is a net negative at this point even though you can see that he’s bursting with talent. The experiment was a great idea. The result for the present, though, is clear.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
well fans...
I see some Mo must go sentiments….I see some faulk needs togo….to Charlotte and bring in onderkid 2 ryan murphyand move dalpe upsentiments…And I see after several games..lack of confidence in our team sentiment as well…..my sentiment is this….
if the Canes were 4-0-0-0..there would be folks upset that Boucher or Ward has only 1 shutout apieceand sadly even then there is and will be some of us whonever will behappy untl the Cup is in our hands…..I love the Canes warts & all. We all know and from as long as Mo hasben around…unless the Canesgo 0-20-1-0..then maybe just maybe Mo will go..in the mean time,I am gonna sit back,wait on the “chemistry & Gellng” to take hold as I see alot of uncertainty by some of the players new & old..and that is my sentiment….
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No offense, but how much time should it take for a team to gel…thats what the preseason is actually for. Philadelphia is 2-0 after dismantling their core leadership group.
Exactly my point of view. Wasn’t the reasoning behind why JR wanted more preseason games this year related to the fact that the team had a slow start last season and didn’t develop chemistry until late?
And when you think about it, what has actually changed in the forward ranks? Poni, Brent, Dalpe, and Stewart. Brent and Dalpe have effectively been buried on the 4th line where they don’t hurt much. Stewart has seen limited time with Jokinen and Ruutu (who should have good chemistry), and Poni has played with Sutter and Tlusty (who also should have good chemistry). Apart from that, everything is the same.
Sounds Neat
But doesn’t match the facts….When the team wins, when we were on streaks last year, you don’t hear the so called whining except from a small minority. Overall you here good comments. Now, If you are only trying to use hyperbole and sarcasm, you might have missed…
If people didn’t love the Canes they wouldn’t be here. If they didn’t want them to do better, if we weren’t proud of them, then there wouldn’t be the sentiments you mention. I don’t hear people stopping their support for the Canes. So they and I love them as much as you do, your implications aside.
But that’s the opposite side you may be missing…
exactly what Jr is doing.
Enough is enough. If Boychuk, Matsimoto, Dalpe, and 3 or 4 others were somewhere else, they would be producing along the lines of ennis and marchand. Guys that Boychuk played and competed with on the way up. Maurice wasn’t part of the decision on getting him so he is being stifled. 20 less games in the ahl last year and he led the team in points under Daniels…
An aversion to the AHL?
Who has come up from our AHL team and become a regular under Mo?
McBain—er, no, he’s warming the bench now.
Skinner—no, he was never in the AHL.
PeteDawg—no, he’s buried back in the AHL.
Oh, yeah, Dwyer, an older player by comparison to the prospects.
Damn. That was worse than I thought it might be when I started to make the list.
With very few exceptions, that is the pattern. Staal, Skinner and Sutter were basically NHL-ready when drafted. It remains to be seen whether the Canes can turn excellent prospects that are not NHL-ready from the get-go into good NHL players. In fact, it’s best to assume that every forward prospect is a bust if he doesn’t make the NHL roster in his draft year. The forwards JR drafts are well reviewed but worthless beyond the occasional 1st rounder who plays instantly. Utterly worthless. What have they ever done? Canes’ development of forwards? Doesn’t seem to happen in the AHL—forwards coming from Charlotte or Albany are NEVER ready. It certainly doesn’t happen for Canes’ forward prospects in the NHL.
Consider Dalpe, Boychuk, Bowman, Nash, Samson, Chris Terry, Gregory Hofmann, Victor Rask, Mattias Lindstrom, Justin Shugg and all other Canes’ prospects busts. Then it will be a pleasant surprise if any of them makes it in the NHL. First, of course, they’ll have to win a spot on the 4th line and then prove in a checking role in 6 minutes a night that they belong on a scoring line.
Look at the Sabres’ roster and see where they get most of their forwards. I guess they’re drafting better forwards in every round.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 10, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
You mean they can somehow develop their talent?? Their coach lets the young guys play in the right lines based on their draft and talent?? If they make a mistake they get coaching not benching?
That’s just crazy talk. They must kjust be lucky with their people.
You can add Tlusty to the list as well, a prospect that also has not panned out under Mo despite intial promise.
I know it was a split season between Lavi & Mo in 08/09, but Sutter was regulated to the 4th line until his concussion; then he was sent down to Albany. Hell, the only reason Sutter got a chance was due to injuries in 09/10 and it still took Mo a while to play him more even when he was producing as one of our top players during that awful losing stretch.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 10, 2011 8:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just finished watching the game, disappointing. We are definitely not a puck possession team. We cannot hold onto the puck and no one can seem to accept passes. We also seem to be doing a lot of chasing in our own zone (similar to last season). Its just funny/sad watching another team play after watching us play. You see a lot more passes that are on point and collected & you don’t see 5 players looking quite as lost as we do in our own zone.
I also want to add that Allen has not looked good to me. I know he had 2 assists (secondary) today, but he looks like a puck has never touched his stick before. He is often just fumbling it around until it finally reaches someone else.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 10, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree. It’s hard to watch when they try to break out when there is pressure. They either press too much or it looks like they are unsure where we are supposed to be positioned on the ice to make the next pass. It looks like we are playing as individuals instead of working as one unit throughout the game.
by hotchipsnsalsa on Oct 10, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is
The captains responsibility in all this? Could it be possible that he has had some input on these lines?
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by Spanky31 on Oct 10, 2011 8:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t know if we’ll ever know if Staal had input or not. But Staal has to take a good portion of responsibility for the team’s performance. If the coach isn’t doing his job of motivating, then it is up to the Captain; it is his team. He needs to have a players only meeting and figure out what to do. He also needs to take some responsibility for his lines horrible defensive performance. They have been on the ice for most of all goals scored (for & against) so far this season. Lead by voicing displeasure and by example. Put it all on the line next game, showing everybody how you and they should play for 60 minutes.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 10, 2011 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Vokoun has allowed 3 goals on 14 shots through 2. I see why he didn’t get the start against us on Saturday.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 10, 2011 8:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Vokoun is really sucking. That very low contract he signed might be about right.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
by PackPride17 on Oct 10, 2011 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Crazy talk as usual……….
They look fine, three games in with a lot of new players in and out of lines. Going to take some time to gel. GO CANES!!
I'm trying to be positive here, so if you're not go PUCK yourself.
have you watched any of the games or no?
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I have but.....
I don’t need to watch the games I can usually read the comments. Most on here don’t know what they’re talking about so I go opposite direction.
I'm trying to be positive here, so if you're not go PUCK yourself.
by canescup on Oct 11, 2011 6:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
then why come here if we're all stoopid
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, we are half way to a catastrophic start. As last year demonstrated, there is no such thing as an adjustment period in which to let things gel before the games have real meaning. We now have 1 out of 6 points. We’ll see how that works out come April.
This team needs to lose and let all the youngsters play, or this team needs to get a new coach, a new plan, and try to be competitive. This half-way crap is hard to watch.
this is what people have been saying....SINCE OCTOBER 2010
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
In addition to Paul Maurice, they also need to get rid of some of the dead weight players before we are 0-20-0 again. Despite him scoring, I don’t see Alexei Ponikarovsky doing much for us thus far other than a lucky bounce that netted him a goal. Jiri Tlusty is still useless. I think they need to choose between Jay Harrison and Bryan Allen, and get rid of 1. Tomas Kaberle does look quite out of place as previously mentioned. I don’t see us getting remotely close to the playoffs if something drastic is not done. Otherwise, this season is already a lost cause. The team needs to get it together and play together. It seems like too many are not playing as a unit. I love Skinner and Staal on the same line, they just need to pick a great complement for them. Sad that Boychuk didn’t make the cut, I think he would have fit with them.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
great points re: dead weight
package Tlusty, Harrison, Pitkanen and young forwards for a scorer on Staal’s line. I would just say give Poni another chance, he’s not slotted correctly to show what he can do. And if Ruutu ain’t hurt, he needs to go because he’s a damn ghost on the ice.
Am not seeing why everyone was so high on Tim Brent in the preseason. He’s kinda fighting the puck and sucking right now.
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
For all the reasons throughout this blog...
For all the reasons listed above, I am not and have not been a Mo supporter. He is a poor motivator of players. The recent mislotting of players has been seen before but not to this extent. This team as set up will not win period. There is absolutely no excuse for still trying to build chemistry or even line experimenting during the first two weeks of the season. It screams incompetence. There are plenty of teams that are in transition but have a plan. Jeopardizing the entire season is pathetic and irresponsible. Jeff Daniels is clearly a better motivator of young talent. His teams seem fast and organized. They are not what we are seeing. His punative tactics are a thing of the past. Try a positive teaching approach. I am not sure how PK or JR can afford to not win games. Every consecutive loss to start the season must cost millions in ticket sales and damage to the brand. A new coach… One million? Eat mo’s salary … 1.5 million(guess). A change has to happen and fast. How can you still be experimenting with an opening schedule like that??
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