Penalties Hurting Canes
by Bob Wage on Oct 11, 2011 3:19 PM EDT
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PrintSince the lockout and subsequent rule changes, the Carolina Hurricanes have usually been a pretty disciplined and responsible hockey club regarding penalties.
Last season they were called for a total of 302 minors, an average of 3.68 per game, good for 11th fewest in the NHL. Total penalty minutes were 835, (including majors), sixth lowest in the league.
The year before that, the club finished 15th in the league with 343 minors.
We're only three games in and of course it's early, but the Canes are blowing away that output so far this season. They have been called for 18 minors, an average of six per game and are on pace for 492 for the season.
In 2008-09, the last time the team made the playoffs, they had the fewest total penalty minutes in the league and were second lowest in the NHL taking minor penalties, (322).
Obviously, the penalties taken have hurt them so far. They will most assuredly be looking to improve on that stat.
Justin Faulk is leading the way with five minors, followed by Jussi Jokinen with three. Then Bryan Allen, Eric Staal, Joni Pitkanen, and Alexei Ponikarovsky have two each.
Other tidbits:
The Canes had a team meeting this morning and an optional ice day, and reports indicate that they will be sticking with the same lineup as the first three games for the Boston game tomorrow night. Although Paul Maurice did mention that they might reconsider with Faulk. They are still very happy with his play, but don't want to give him too much, too soon and will review the video before making a final decision tomorrow.
More from Chip and Canes Now:
No Lineup Changes Planned for Bruins
Also, the club seems pretty happy with how they are playing, while they also recognize the need to start winning some games. But they feel like they were in all three games and they are not far off. "There is a lot more good in our game right now than what we are really worried about," said Maurice.
Michael Smith has more on CH.com
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What would be a better idea?
Stamping their feet and clenching their fists because they haven’t beaten teams with more money and talent?
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by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Bob, as a follow-up to both articles referenced above can’t you call MO and tell him our list of concerns and ask for a response?
I don’t have Mo’s number but I will try to ask a couple of these questions after the next practice I can attend. Not sure when that will be.
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Now that would be an interesting article. Bob, what does the Hurricanes team think of us all here on CC? Are we the press? Or are we considered the fan base? Would they say things to you they wouldn’t say to the press at large? Surely, players read this like we do. Some must make comments anonymously (was there a rumor a few years back that some of their wives were on here defending their men). So, Bob what is the relationship between us and our team? During Hurricanes Live JR specifically mentioned LaRose on the 2nd line (like he was defending the decision?). Johnny F and Tripp keep making “LaRose, is a great defensive minded forward who can score too”. Are any of these things a result of trends spotted here on CC whether in the articles or in the comments? DO WE HAVE ANY IMPACT AT ALL? OR IS THIS ALL JUST FOR OUR OWN INTERTAINMENT? I must know if I have been wasting my time.
by coastalcaniac on Oct 11, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Personally I have no idea as to the impact of the words on this forum to the Canes organization, but I’m pretty sure they take to heart what they read on Facebook ;)
I love this post by the way.
Blind optimist and Kool-Aid drinker
by Jamie Kellner on Oct 11, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If they pay attention to what they read on Facebook, I definitely wouldn’t blame them if they had no confidence at all. Most of the people on that page are fairweather fans as it is. I stopped posting there a LONG time ago lol.
by jbcanesfan26 on Oct 11, 2011 9:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the thoughts and feedback here at Canes Country is very similar to what you will read in many outlets, but also hear. Forslund is involved with the post-game Aftermath and talks to fans all the time.
Forslund typically says that annoyed fans (or fans that boo or whatever) are involved/passionate fans and that’s a good thing.
I can only presume the pressure to perform is heavy enough from 1400 EMR that coaching staff doesn’t have the time or inclination to get feedback from fans for any practical purposes.
Surely you can't think they're making decisions based on the whims of one blog (or even many.)
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by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
And in both directions.
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by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
spin control from ch.com:
http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=595460&navid=DL|CAR|home
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
"We have a few players who can bring a little more, and we do need everybody going, Maurice said. "There’s a lot more good in our game right now than things we are really worried about."
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
canes koolaid
yep the whole org is drinking the mo koolaid. Can’t blame them to try to positively spin the product. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your angle, a turd can only be dressed up as a bon bon for so long until the stink drives the customer away and the janitor is called in to clean up.
I love the team and think the current roster can be very successful. I am just blown away that this madness of allowing line makeup to be sustained is allowed by JR. Dalpe should be in Charlotte or in the top 6 …PERIOD.
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
"Mo koolaid?"
Hardly. They’re drinking the “nobody’s going to buy tickets if we give up on the season after three games like the folks over there at Canes Country” Kool Aid.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
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by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Should the Hurricanes-employed web guy be trashing the team?
Would that help things?
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
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by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Bob
and i too would like what Hotchips has asked as well..Now i realize that you & Cory have some contact possibly via the press pool ..but will you consoder this please…and if we are out of bounds..then please accpet my apologies…Man the rain is here and has bveen all day…bummer
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So, I flopped down some hard earned dough for two tickets in section 220 for the Boston game Wednesday night. I know, must’ve been a little too drunk Saturday afternoon when I bought them ;)
Decided to buy tickets throughout the year when I can rather than getting the ticket packs like I have the past 4 years.
Please organ-eye-zation, give me a reason to keep spending money on you. I really don’t mind losing if I’m at least entertained. And ‘being happy with our game’ hasn’t really been fun to watch.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.
Hmmmmm
With Staal and Skinner both at -4, Maurice is hoping that LaRose can bring a defensive balance to an offensive-heavy line. Skinner and Staal are leading the way in points; the sophomore forward Skinner has 5 (1g, 4a) and the captain Staal has 3 (2g, 1a).
What? Because he was so good at that last year with his -21 in the same role?? That’s what we are going with here???
Wow, and some wonder why I question Mo’s coaching…
We weren't winning before he was in that slot.
What’s changed, exactly?
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by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
"We need to score more goals, and we need to keep more goals out of our net, and [the first line] can do both," Maurice said.
Spoken like a hockey genius.
Put pucks in the opponent's net you say?! Keep pucks out of our's?!
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.
It is a little troubling that the first win is described as “not far off” when were three games into the regular season.
One would hope it isn’t far off right?
It's like a perfect storm, really....
…as none of the coach’s decisions are making any sense. Man, every day it gets worse.
Nothing going right
Dose Dalpe look a little hurt to anyone? There was one shift in the 3rd period where he looked like he was skating hurt. If he’s hurt he shouldn’t be playing. I also think Ruutu is not 100%. Since we have 3 defensemen sitting around putting the team at the 23 man roster limit the team can’t scratch one and bring up a worthy reinforcement from Charlotte. Could any organization fubar a roster any more than the Canes have this year?? We have a kid who needs to play SOMEWHERE in Murphy, yet he is watching games from the press box. We have two other defensemen who have proven they can play in the NHL sitting there with him. We have one, possibly two players who may be dinged up playing. We have two players in the top 9 who would be 4th liners most anywhere else. The organization has more depth and NHL ready, or near ready talent than they ever had, and they have abolutely no clue what to do with them. This speaks to Mo, but I hate to say it speaks to Mr Rutherford as well. He has done a good job for the most part assembling some nice young players in the organization but now seems paralyzed over deciding what to do with them – or so it seems. I agree with sitter, it’s not like we have an elite level roster, but it’s not horrible either , and it is far from being maximized to it’s full potential. Maybe there are things going on in the background that we are not privy to that can make some sense of out the overflow of defensemen. But between that situation and the over-slotting of 4th liners, and not being willing or able to get hurt players out of the lineup, this operation is looking pretty imploded right now.
i like mo but....
he does seem genuinely confused as how to get the best of his players in an organized coherent way. like it’s an achilles heel with him or something. i don’t know what else to say. he has the knowledge of hockey and experience but when he’s looking at the team he just isn’t good at figuring out strategy or how to use his players most effecftively.
That’s it in a nutshell, Emmarose. It’s a shame that nice, knowledgeable people don’t always make the best coaches. Sometimes good coaches are people you wouldn’t want as friends. They consistently get good results, but you hate their methods when you read details. Not that good coaches have to be evil. Point is, there is some mysterious “it” that really good coaches have. They can take over a team that looked pathetic under someone else and make the same players who were worst in the league suddenly the best (see the Devils last year).
Mo has many strengths, but that mysterious “it” doesn’t seem to be one of them.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 11, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What is really going on?
There has to be another explanation to the on ice personnel decisions being made. Faulk is not ready for 19 minutes per game in all situations. He flat out is not. Plus/minus can be misleading but his is not. Some players roles require high pims, his does not. We know that front offices will tell stories to hide injury problems. We know they will dangle players as trade bait behind the scenes. Something else we as fans aren’t being shown or told is going on here. Maybe Ruutu is still on his honeymoon, maybe Dalpe has shown a bad pre-season training ethic. Skinner and and Stahl on a line together can score but can’t defend yet they are kept together. Is the new defensive scheme not gelling ala the Capitals last year.? Coach speak says we are close to winning every game but our team plus minus is near the worst in the conference. What is really going on?
The team's just not very good compared to the playoff-caliber teams we've played thus far?
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If one of those guys is really hurt...
They can go on the IL to free up a spot.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy and the OHL; Forward Lines
Murphy is so talented, I’m not certain how much more he can learn by skating circles around his peers in the OHL. I can understand the coaches, including Glen Wesley, thinking Murphy is better off practicing against and with NHL players and then having a seat next to a coach during games. He also gets the benefit of NHL workouts. He needs to get in some games, however, watching some games is not going to hurt him.
My view of the forward lines has not changed.
by abramsdoug on Oct 12, 2011 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Murphy is better off practicing against and with NHL players and then having a seat next to a coach during games
If he didn’t have to use up a roster spot I’d agree. At some point the organization needs to simplify this decision. If he’s not ready to play regularly in the NHL he needs to go back to Kitchener. The Hurricanes are the NHL team, the only question is whether he can play NHL hockey, if the answer is not yet then he goes back. If there were a way he could not use a roster spot it would be different. But to my knowledge he’s on the team or he’s not. So decide, is he on the team or not.
And while we are on the subject of blueliners, if Joslin is still feeling the effects of his bout with Mono, and doesn’t have the stamina to play a full NHL game, then he needs to go on IR until he’s ready.
The team may need a roster spot for a banged up player or two, or at least a call up to try and shake up the offense.
What good would a roster spot do us?
Which AHL callup do you think would be making a difference right now?
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
another couple of games before changes....
They’re not gong to carry 2 healthy defensemen as extras much longer. I’d like to see Joslin & McBain back on the ice. I think they’re better choices at the moment..
Different topic: Am I the only one who thinks Skinner and Sutter should be on the same line? (2nd line)
Probably.
Sutter, despite all his newfound, “#2 center-caliber” offensive skills, is on pace for zero points for the year…because he hasn’t scored a single one. People call LaRose offensive dead weight, but Sutter is a black hole of offense.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruins Game
I hope the Canes finally wake up tonight. A little motivation for the team? How about this Boston beat writer that refers to us as the “sad sack” Canes:
Ugh! Can’t stand the Bruins. Hope we get our first W against them!
Sour grapes from Game 7 still a few years ago.
This is Boston, the only sports town that can get themselves on a “Most Depressed Sports Town” list even though all of their teams have won a championship in the last decade.
by Iggy Reilly on Oct 12, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a euphamistic shortening of the phrase "sad sack of shit."
It was quite popular in the military some 70 years ago.
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by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt they're reading the Boston paper or would care either way.
I’d hope they want to win regardless. Otherwise, we’ve got bigger problems than our talent defecit.
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Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
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