Game Analysis: Hurricanes At Devils
by Cory Lavalette on Oct 11, 2011 6:01 AM EDT
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Same players, different lines, same result. For the third straight game in the young season, the Carolina Hurricanes were in a position to win in the third period only to come up short, falling 4-2 to the New Jersey Devils in a rare weekday matinee.
The Canes already face an uphill climb, having registered just one of six possible points and looking at two games against defending champion Boston sandwiching a game vs. rival Buffalo over the next eight days.
Three Observations
1. Numbers don't tell the whole — or really any of the — story when it comes to rookie Justin Faulk. The 19-year-old defenseman is minus-6 without a point through three games, but to characterize him as a major reason for Carolina's 0-2-1 start would be foolhardy. Yes, there have been moments when the Canes' young blueliner has made mistakes, but overall he has been solid and, at times, dynamic in all three zones, plus shows a toughness and physicality rare in a player his age. The numbers will come and the mistakes will go away, but there's no way Faulk belongs anywhere other than the NHL right now.
2. Coach Paul Maurice's decision to plug grinder Chad LaRose on the first line with Eric Staal and Jeff Skinner paid off when LaRose scored his first goal of the season to tie the game at 2 in the second period. But one can't help but wonder if Carolina's offensive woes (six goals through three games) could be alleviated by getting more ice time to wingers Jiri Tlusty and Zac Dalpe. Tlusty has looked more like Tuomo Ruutu than Ruutu this season, while Dalpe's continued fourth-line role gives further fuel to those who believe Maurice is unwilling to give any of last year's AHL forwards any significant ice time.
3. For my money, Johan Hedberg has been the best pure backup goaltender in the NHL since the lockout. That opinion is probably fueled by how well the Swedish netminder has fared against the Hurricanes. Now his 11th season with his fifth team, Hedberg has been as good as any goalie in the league vs. Carolina. He beat the Canes three times last year and with his win Monday improved to 13-7 in his career against Carolina.
Number To Know
16 — Faceoff wins for Staal Monday. He won 62 percent of his draws (16 of 26), pushing his season average to a much more respectable (though far from good) 44 percent through three games. It was a rock-solid effort against a team that has consistently ranked in the top 10 in the league in faceoff percentage year after year.
Plus
Bryan Allen — In his first full game with new partner Tim Gleason, Allen had arguably his best game as a Cane in the loss. Not only was Allen credited with an assist on both goals, but he and Gleason were able to keep the Devils off the scoresheet while on the ice. Don't expect an offensive explosion from Allen, but any points he gets are gravy when you consider he has a team-high eight blocked shots so far this year and is among the leaders in hits with six.
Minus
Joni Pitkanen — Frankly, his two penalties this season have both been absolute head-scratchers, the type of plays that would get a less talented player a seat in the press box. His crosscheck on Zach Parise in the second period was not only a dangerous play, but also one that was unneeded in a game tied 2-2. While this penalty, when coupled with Faulk's delay of game infraction, contributed to an unsuccessful 5-on-3 power play for the Devils, his boarding call against the Capitals Saturday led to Brooks Laich's go-ahead goal that would've been the game-winner had Jussi Jokinen not bailed out his countryman with an extra attacker goal late in that game. The margin for error is thin with the Canes right now, and Pitkanen's lack of discipline in not helping.
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Lack of discipline
Lack of discipline cones from a feeling of lack of a feeling of control in that player. This stems from a lack of confidence in in the team game which is the responsibility of the coach.
by KenRab on Oct 11, 2011 6:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lol... At this point...
All roads lead to PM
by KenRab on Oct 11, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The roads apparently lead anywhere you want them to.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
B.S.
Lack of discipline comes from a lack of personal responsibility on the part of the player.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Good analysis, disagree re: "no way Faulk belongs anywhere other than the NHL right now"
He is still very, very raw. A stint in Charlotte will help him slow down the game and plug some holes. The only reason I would say keep him in Raleigh is to work with Dave Lewis once he becomes head coa—oops! I mean once he gets back from his daughter’s wedding and back behind the bench to coach the D corps…
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 6:18 AM EDT reply actions
Good write-up as always, but I also disagree that Faulk belongs in the NHL right now. Give him some time with the Checkers then bring him up, we need to get McBain going.
by NorwegianCaniac on Oct 11, 2011 7:12 AM EDT reply actions
Player development
Yes, some of this is repeated from an older thread:
I haven’t been part of the “Mo must Go” brigade, though I do keep a countdown:
I think Mo must be +5 wins vs. regulation losses by game 25 (a rate that would get us to +17 and well into the playoffs at 99 points). Currently -2, 22 games left, needs to be +7 in those games.
But I have questions. What’s the saying about continuing to do the same thing, despite failure, as a sign of insanity?
How do you make sure your defensemen are tired, when you have nine in the squad, and play three games in four days? Play the same six every game.
How do you make sure your offensive prospects cannot flourish, when you play three games in four days? Put them on the 4th line and play them 10 minutes or less a game. Six goals in three games isn’t cutting it.
Cory, I think it would be very interesting to look back over our drafts and see how many of our prospects who spent significant time in the AHL have become regulars for the ‘Canes. Most of the draftees who have become regulars came straight into the team, and Faulk can’t be said to have developed in the AHL, while McBain is on the bench. Yes, Ward and Staal spent a year in the AHL, but that was the year there was no NHL play. Pat Dwyer came up from the AHL (apparently not drafted by Carolina) but only at an advanced age, for a prospect. Chad LaRose wasn’t drafted, but certainly came up through the minors. The more I look at it, the more grim the story of our player development.
Unless Mo suddenly learns to platoon, and to give offensive prospects big minutes, where are we going? Nowhere.
Agree
I like your analysis and agree with your views. I’ve learned how to be optimistic while following the Mo led Canes and have found an area of improvement. Look at it this way. We are improving our chance for an even higher draft pick in 2012 draft. See, you just have to find a way to be optimistic.
All kidding aside, the facts are we were beaten by a New Jersey team that played an 18 year old defenseman 24 minutes, played one 20 year old forward on the second line, two 21 year old players for more minutes than Tylusi (you know who I mean), Brent or Dalphe, and one 22 year old player. Young players make up for their mistakes with there increased commitment and enthusiasm. We’ve seen this here in the past when we were forced to bring up players due to injuries. It’s not the young players who are killing us! It’s the old timers who love to play here because they are given their jobs before training camp even starts and are not pushed to perform and earn them. The only job competition that occurs is pitting two or more young players against each other for an imaginary role on the team. We are getting really good only at becoming a perpetual also-ran in the league.
by FoxtrotSierra on Oct 11, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Followup
LaRose hardly played in the preseason, yet he EARNED first line! Yeah, that’s competition!
by FoxtrotSierra on Oct 11, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused.
You blame the Hurricanes for not giving their prospects time in the AHL, but criticize them for leaving players in the AHL until “an advanced age.” You can’t have it both ways. But, to your question:
- Dalpe put in a full year at the AHL last year after a cup of coffee the year before.
- McBain put in nearly a full year in the AHL two years ago after a cup of coffee there the year before.
- Erik Cole, same pattern as a first- and second-year professional.
- Brett Carson put in three years in the minors before his debut as a regular two years ago.
- Ryan Bayda had seven years of minor-league experience before being a full-time AHLer in ‘08-’09.
- Keith Aucoin had six years of pro experience before his NHL breakout (TOI-wise) in ‘07-’08.
- Craig Adams spent three years in the minors becoming a full-time NHLer.
What is your ideal development cycle? Is it not a good thing to draft well enough that your most successful picks can be immediately ready to contribute to your NHL team? Do you agree that our low payroll encourages the rushing of such prospects because they are significantly cheaper than a moderately superior veteran would be?
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree on Faulk, at least in the second pairing
He’ll be a good NHL player soon whether he stays with the Canes or spends another month or two with the Checkers. The difference is that the Canes are paying a price for keeping him in the NHL and in the second pairing. Usually I’m in favor of letting talented prospects learn in the NHL, especially forwards, but the cost of doing this with Faulk has been too high, and there are young replacements available who can play better today. That assumes McBain’s shoulder has healed and Joslin is over mono. If neither of them is fit to play, Faulk is likely a better choice for the present than Murphy.
If Faulk stays, he should play on the third pairing for now with a stay-at-home partner, whether Allen or Harrison, as a backstop while Faulk adjusts to the speed of the NHL. The pairing with Kaberle relies on Faulk to be the stay-at-home partner and that isn’t working out.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 11, 2011 7:19 AM EDT reply actions
I agree with that last statement there, if anything Kaberle should play the role of stay-at-home but he’s too slow. He’s an established offensive D-man, so that pairing doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
by NorwegianCaniac on Oct 11, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle should play the role of stay-at-home
That’s like asking Staal or Skinner to play defensive forward in a shut-down role, not gonna happen.
I said if anything, and yeah, it’s not gonna happen.
by NorwegianCaniac on Oct 11, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle isn't a stay-at-home anything.
No hitting, no physicality to his game at all.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally think Faulk will develop into a good partner for Gleason. He’s not ready for that duty now, but I think he’ll be ready by next season. It might even be a good idea to have him watch a few games from the press box. Either way, they need to incorporate one of the 3 “benched” defensemen in the next game on Wednesday.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
I don’t believe that every pairing has to have a set offensive guy and a set defensive guy. Regardless, Faulk spent most of yesterday’s game with Pitkanen and I don’t recall him playing a shift with Kaberle.
by Cory Lavalette on Oct 11, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Faulk really hasn’t been bad, he’s been good with the puck and hasn’t been a liability defensively; I think he’s been better than Larsson from what I’ve seen. I think he’s been thrown under unfairly. Having said that, it’s time to insert McBain and/or Murphy and do something with the forward lines to get some offense going. It’s time to panic if I’m the coaches, the hole only gets deeper from here and tougher to get out of. Habits set in, players internally justify losing, and the losing culture mentality sets in.
Faulk has played well overall, but
He’s seeing the difference between where he’s been and the NHL—mistakes in the NHL can be killer, and he’s been on the bad end.
I’ve mentioned before, one of the ways they can use Faulk, grow and develop his talent is to sit him every two to four games in the press box. Let McBain or Joslin take his place for a game here and there. Faulk stil gets a lot of games, but at his age he also gets rest and coaching while getting to see the big picture from above.
I believe it would accelerate his development while keeping him fresher and more motivated to keep learning and improving. It also gets Joslin and McBain off the pines. These tow should have played a game by now, and it’s foolish to leave them sitting…
by Squeaky83 on Oct 11, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
In the grand scheme of things, he has been fine. But when you actually look at why he is -6 with no points, it is pretty obvious. He makes few mistakes, but the ones he makes are costly. The NJ winning goal, he left the front of the net open (hockey 101). The Washington game, he played both the Chimera goal and the first goal wrong (they weren’t completely his fault, but he could have prevented them personally). TB game, that penalty that led to the winning PP goal.
The question is, how long do we let him develop and adjust while he makes costly mistakes? Usually, I would be fine with putting him on the 3rd pairing with someone more defensively responsible than Pitkanen or Kaberle and letting him mature, but when we have proven NHL defensemen in McBain and Joslin, plus another promising rookie in Murphy, sitting every game, it just does not make sense to me to keep going with what isn’t working.
by hurricane9 on Oct 11, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Which is why i think he should sit and watch—rotate with the more experienced guys, get some big Picture views and coaching, then try it again. Then sit and watch again… If he’s not improving on the big gaffes, then evaluate his play vs Joslin and McBain and detremine who’s best after we get a chance to watch them.
Unfortunately (See CH article) Mo is happy with things the way they are and expects no changes… Not sure why you wouldn’t give Mc Bain or Joslin a shot by rotating Harrison or especially Faulk given his +/—, but that’s Mo.
Also
Be careful with the minus 6 with Faulk…Two of those can be directly attributed by big omistakes by Kaberle which Faulk couldn’t cover and was in the right position… SO not all the -6 is on Faulk himself.
WHAT?????
What 2 mistakes? I’m kidding, I’ll accept just being right and not rubbing your nose in it.
Good one!
But I haven’t changed my mind, just for expediency I wante to point out not all the +/- problem is Faulks own doing. It was still the two forwards behind Kaberle who were at fault…. But ti would have taken too much time to put that in, and based on previous conversations I knew this reference would be most easilt recognized.
-4 in three games with 10 PIMs still ain't so hot.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no problem with Faulk getting the time he is getting, but the inconsistency to me is this.
Obviously Faulk playing the minutes he has been playing have been a detriment to the teams chances of winning NOW, in the interest of getting him more time so he plays better down the road. As long as he improves every game and is learning, that is exactly what we need.
Why not the other youngsters though? Is Faulk that far ahead?
by Iggy Reilly on Oct 11, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not the other youngsters though? Is Faulk that far ahead?
it’s hard to say because we havent’ seen them and in my opinion (boy it was tough to write those 3 words) he’s been as good as Kaberle & Pits. Maybe one of those needs a night off to think about things.
in all seriousness, why did we sign kabs and pits to long-term i.e. untradeable deals THEN play a teenager with them? if we’re signing vets to make a run, fine…THEN LET’S DO IT. this half-a** stuff is killing me…
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone expected Faulk to be this ready. But you can’t punish the kid for being one of the best d-men.
by Cory Lavalette on Oct 11, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Faulk
Faulk has been one of the best young defensemen I’ve seen. He is doing at least as well as Cam Fowler did in the first three games. If the Canes are going to play young players; and I agree they need to do so, there are going to be coaching moments. We can’t ask for young players and expect them to play like veteran players at the same time.
Agree
Reading the foregoing blogs I would have to believe the reason the Canes are losing is entirely due to Faulk. This I don’t believe. It takes everyone playing well each in a role they can fill and in a system that fits the talent for any team to win. I think its the latter two items that are missing. People are not placed in the roles properly (LaRose on top line, etc.) and their is no system that I can discern. The Washington game showed that even when we play our best, we don’t win. The Jersey game showed that when we don’t play up to the Washington game level, we are not good enough to beat a team playing 5 players 22 years old or less. For folks to say all this will change if we pull Faulk off the ice just isn’t realistic or correct in my opinion. For the past two seasons we’ve changed everything around as far as players go and there has been no notable improvement in any of the areas we have been deficient in. In any business when things aren’t going as they should the buck stops at the top. That’s where the direction comes from. We, the fans, are stopping it at the 18 year old rookie level. I just don’t buy that.
by FoxtrotSierra on Oct 11, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That "no system" comment
and no set plays seems to come up a lot in reference to Mo and his offense…
Not sure of the validity, but sure seems to look to be the case when watching games.
Anyone paired with Faulk the last 3 games would look bad statistically. I don’t disagree with his super high potential to be in the nhl. I disagree that it has to be right now. Especially since we have McBain and Joslin who finished last season at a level above Faulk today. Both would have to clear waivers to be sent down to the ahl. Neither would make it through. If Faulk were to made nhl ready in the ahl in the standard fashion, McBain and/or Joslin could be showcased and then traded for a needed asset when Faulk is ready and trade value is high. Again this all may be due to the actual injury status of the two other dmen. Then Faulk is playing because there is no choice and the group think that Faulk is totally ready now is just part of the standard nhl injury cover up. Mono is a 6 month disaster for athletes and shoulder rehab is unpredictable as can be.
Good Morning Folks...
I liked what Cory had to say and he is pretty much on target with his observations but and while for a lesser team our man Fault does need either a half season of continued play in Charlotte and do the call ups that surely will come or a full season of uninterupted efforts under the eyes of Jeff Daniels & company there in Charlotte..as with the Checkers being in the west conf. (for now) will expose and give experience to Faulk as well as the rest of the team can only help them and him be even better…as we fans and team has been spoiled by the Skinner phenominon..and fault while a very ggod player needs to go to Charlotte and when he makes the team next season will be a great player…let’s get Mcbain,Joslin and Dalpe in there…and why is Mo holding up Murphy ? makes this fan wonder what kind of “schedule” Mo have going on in his head…
but I’m a fan..yada,yada,yada..Have a good day folks
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
Schedule
Definitely a tough opening month schedule. 7 of 11 games against last season’s playoff teams. Of the 4 non-playoff teams, 3 of those games are on the road. 6 of the games are part of a back to back. In college football, they usually start the season with a “cupcake.” Where is our “cupcake?”
Nevermind, I figured it out; WE are the other teams “cupcake” game.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
Seven of eleven games against last season’s playoff teams - that’s why I thought yesterday was so important to at least get a point, however, we really needed to win that one. I didn’t play hockey or soccer so I miss the correct positioning you other guys point out, but from a casual fan stand point I can even tell we don’t look good. We are not in sync at all, and I know this falls on MO as the head coach but I am kind of disappointed in the defense because with all this talk about Dave Lewis being a great coach I expected a lot more and I thought this was would take some of the burden off of MO - I mean I think I set high expectations with the defense just based on all of the preseason talk surrounding Lewis.
by hotchipsnsalsa on Oct 11, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
No Announcement from RBC
Was hoping for a Mo stepping down announcement. Oh well. Wish in one hand…
it's too far from Christmas yet.
As soon as the red kettles come out then you can hope to see THAT Announcement…LOL
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
by CaniacSteve on Oct 11, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
really, wins/losses shouldn’t make that decision for him any more so than HOW the team looks on the ice. at times, it’s almost unwatchable…
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
wins/losses shouldn’t make that decision for him any more so than HOW the team looks on the ice.
To a point though right, a rational owner & GM has to make the decision whether we’ve constructed a poor team or a talented team that’s not performing well, I think we’ve got a bit of both.
I agree with you. We do not have enough elite players and teams near the CAP floor shouldn’t be expected to compete with elite teams.
The effort ( or lack thereof) in NJ was also a classic example of how players usually get coaches fired.
But I’m starting to wonder about MO’s thought processes. Does it make sense to take offensive minded players like Dalpe and put them on the 4th line where rule one is don’t get scored on, play them for 5 to 7 minutes and expect them to develop? Does it make sense to put a career 3rd or 4th line guy like LaRose on the 1st line? Does it make sense to pair an offensive minded rookie D-man with veterans with an attack first mentality and who are not known to have their partners’ backs…. especially when there are guys like Harrison available who have a knack for covering for their more offensive minded counterparts.
And when a PP has not worked for over 2 years and there is no real change in approach is that not on the coaches? Up until I have resisted the Mo Must Go rants. But I feel the Dark Side calling to me.
The Force is Strong with This One.
Join me and together we can rule as father and son…..er….whoever is the oldest.
It’s frustrating. And to hear today that nothing will change for the next game…..makes it worse…..
i’ve never been prouder of you, sittler27
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Thank God I have the Center Ice freebie for another couple of weeks on Direct TV….I hope I can get the Buffalo telecasts with (God forbid) the Buffalo announcers. Way to much positivity out of Tripper in yesterdays telecast / debacle!
Desperation from Day One......let's not wait until the end!
by the way
I’ve had the “Desperation from Day One……let’s not wait until the end!” as my postscript since last year……Boy do I get peaved with the lack of Desperation sometimes!
Desperation from Day One......let's not wait until the end!
you see it in the teams demeanor and the way they play, they play as if they feel somewhat constrained, I see flashes of potential, but then it fades back to the passive, let the other team take it to us and maybe we’ll catch a break strategy, which is like watching a boxer who is almost always blocking and rarely throwing punches – it’s tough to watch if you’re cheering for the guy who’s always getting punched.
FWIW, the Carolina PP is middle of the pack right now at 14.3 percent. I know they haven’t scored at crucial moments this season, but the PK (IMO) has been much uglier.
by Cory Lavalette on Oct 11, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
where have they’re goals been given up on the PK, I would guess it’s mostly 5 v 3’s and a 4 v 3’s right.
5 on 4 = 1
5 on 3 = 2
5 on 4 = 1
Plus Parise’s empty-netter the other night, which doesn’t really count, IMO.
by Cory Lavalette on Oct 12, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Welcome Sittler...
When the coach says:
Maurice is hoping that LaRose can bring a defensive balance to an offensive-heavy line.
With a player who went -21 in the same position last year it makes you wonder what the dude is thinking as a coach…
When the poster says...
A player’s statistics from a single year define who he is as a player
with a player who is +14 over 327 career games it makes you wonder what the dude is thinking as a poster.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
When the Player was a 4th liner
for the majority of that, and occasional 3rd liner, it shows where the dude’s skillset lies. When he was given top six time, he failed. What part of that are you missing????
I don’t think MP was referring to LaRose, maybe he was; but LaRose is career -7 in 409 games.
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
Thanks PP17
I can’t figure out what the “quote” part of his post is from. Mines from a N&O article from Mo comments. I figured , as is typical, MP was just mocking me as the poster since his reply was under mine…
But if LaRose is -7 over his career, and even worse on the top line, well, it doesn;t speah mush to the coaches logic or assertion LaRose will defensively balance that line.
No one's criticizing the player
Most everyone on this board thinks he is overslotted and has not performed well at all as a top six forward…
…we all think he’s a great bottom six guy. Thanks for providing the stats to back that up.
You’ve summarized how things have looked to some of us for a couple of years. The difference is that you attribute Mo’s baffling decisions to an analytical bent. The rest of us are just baffled.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 11, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume if the new coach goes 0-2-1 in his first three you'll want him gone, too?
Since you’ve apparently seen enough already.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Has that coach's team paid in the lower tier of the league over that period?
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Tick-Tock
It was a long summer waiting for the season to begin…. and still the same fundamental problems on the ice as last year (so far) and the same discussions on these pages. To say I’m frustrated already is an understatement.. JR…. you need to make a change NOW before the season slips away.
Fortunately or Unfortunately...
…I don’t believe that JR reads CC…to bad given that our collective minds would enable us to win repeated SC’s ;-)
WHAT?!?!?
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 11, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want them to play Murphy or send him back to Kitchener finally. One game to watch NHL speed from the press box is great, two games OK. Three games is starting to get ridiculous, the kid needs to be playing either here or at Kitchener.
Mo Style: the Organizational Effect
Dalpe, Bowman, Boychuk and the rest of the forward prospects have figured out at this point that as long as Mo is coaching the Canes, they’ll never get a shot. They have to be thinking their best career move is to do whatever it takes to get traded or released ASAP. There’s no point in busting a gut to get back to Raleigh with Mo in charge.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 11, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow! have you talked to them?
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting"..........holy cow.......what a ride!"
by Spanky31 on Oct 12, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course.
Most of these folks have been in the locker room game-to-game, too. Haven’t you heard the players don’t believe in the game plans?
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Oct 12, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Offense?
reading the comments there is a healthy discussion about faulk whether he should be playing or not, yada, yada, yada. but it reads as if many are blaming him for the slow start. i could be wrong, but that’s how it is coming across to me.
i think what we should be focusing on is…once again, the lack of production. 6 goals in 3 games? we lost a lot of 1 and 2 goal games last season. hard to win in the NHL night in and out scoring 2 goals per.
Mo needs to balance these lines for maximum scoring potential. we aren’t going to get that from dalpe and stewart seeing 8 min a night. what am i saying, we aren’t going to see it as long as Mo has his “system” in place. he’s a pre lockout coach who has never adapted to the new style league. we may not have the most scoring talent in the league, but trust me, we have enough…it’s just under-utilized.
I was thinking about that last night. Maybe Mo is just to stuck in the old NHL ways. But then again, he can get these guys playing for certain stretches, it’s just usually at the end of the year and we run out of gas. What is he doing differently in Jan/Feb/Mar that he isn’t doing in Oct/Nov? Or is it the players applying the sense of urgency to themselves? If so, then “The Captain” needs to right his ship!
All I want for Christmas is some cohesive line!
I don’t think anybody is blaming Faulk for the slow start. People are blaming Mo.
Everybody sees Faulk’s talent. Some think he and the Canes would be better off if he spent some time in the AHL. Faulk will make it in the NHL soon either way, but he’s learning some lessons the hard way and at times it is hurting the Canes, as you would expect with a 19-year-old defenseman. The Canes don’t have overwhelming offensive talent to cover for Faulk the way the Ducks have Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan and Selanne to cover for Cam Fowler.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 11, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing going right
So I have not had a chance to post anything since watching the game last night (DVR) so I am a little late to the party.
Regarding Dalpe, there was one shift in the 3rd period where he looked like he was skating hurt. If he’s hurt he shouldn’t be playing. I also think Ruutu is not 100%. Since we have 3 defensemen sitting around putting the team at the 23 man roster limit the team can’t scratch one and bring up a worthy reinforcement from Charlotte. Could any organization fubar a roster any more than the Canes have this year?? We have a kid who needs to play SOMEWHERE in Murphy, yet he is watching games from the press box. We have two other defensemen who have proven they can play in the NHL sitting there with him. We have one, possibly two players who may be dinged up playing. We have two players in the top 9 who would be 4th liners most anywhere else. The organization has more depth and NHL ready, or near ready talent than they ever had, and they have abolutely no clue what to do with them. This speaks to Mo, but I hate to say it speaks to Mr Rutherford as well. He has done a good job for the most part assembling some nice young players in the organization but now seems paralyzed over deciding what to do with them – or so it seems. I agree with sitter, it’s not like we have an elite level roster, but it’s not horrible either , and it is far from being maximized to it’s full potential. Maybe there are things going on in the background that we are not privy to that can make some sense of out the overflow of defensemen. But between that situation and the over-slotting of 4th liners, and not being willing or able to get hurt players out of the lineup, this operation is looking pretty imploded right now.
My opinion now
I think we are at a crossroads already. I know it seems early in the season, but here are my thoughts and why or as quickly as possible before cub scouts…
I think that we either make a coaching change now and try to recover from this hole or we’ll be drafting high again. I think that, at best talent level wise, we are a 6-9 seed team. Factor in the losing mess of a system that Mo is weighing down our players with and that slips down to the 9-13 slot. I think if we make the change now, we can right the ship and get things going before too many points slip by and we’re on the outside looking in by Thanksgiving.
Disagree wholeheartedly about Faulk.
His minuses have often been a direct result of his mistakes and poor play, and his untimely penalties have further put us behind the eight-ball.
As for LaRose, I’d really like to see Sutter getting more of the offensive blame. For a guy who was supposed to be the emerging offensive talent as the clear #2 center, he’s done nothing on offense despite seeing nearly 3:00 a game on the PP.
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