Apology

by PackPride17 on Oct 19, 2011 12:09 PM EDT

On last night’s game thread, I made the comment that “Staal is pretty worthless right now.” That was obviously a negative exaggeration on my part and for that I apologize. I have just been very frustrated in the way my favorite player has performed so far this year. I don’t believe Eric has played up to Eric Staal’s level and I voiced my frustration. I knew I would receive some comments that didn’t agree with me and that is fine, but one really got to me. The person said they are tired of the negative comments and implied I was trolling. I was not trying to stir things up, I was expressing an observation that I felt was true. I’m sorry, but I generally just call it how I see it. There are a lot of crazy comments, some completely off-topic, that are posted and I believe everyone has the right to post them as long as they are not taking personal shots at another poster. I thought this was a place to discuss Carolina Hurricanes hockey; both the positives and negatives. I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing with me; me and C-Leaguer go back and forth all the time and I enjoy it. I just don’t understand why you can’t say anything negative about the team. I know some would respond to that by saying; it’s the reiterating of negative things that drives them crazy. But if people perceive something that is wrong and not corrected, are you just suppose to accept it? I just feel this is a forum to discuss the team’s strengths, weaknesses, and what we would like to see; maybe I’m wrong. Maybe this is a place to just show support for the team; but even the Canes Country Editors post debatable topics.

Sorry, maybe I am completely off-base here. I will try to limit the negative comments I make, but I will still try to call things as they appear to me. Be that both positive and negative. If this doesn’t work for the majority of my fellow poster, just let me know. I will gladly stop making comments.

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Personally, I think a lot of the negative backlash is about tone. There’s a pretty big difference between, “Man, I’m frustrated that Staal hasn’t played as well as he should have so far,” and “Staal is pretty worthless right now.”

No one wants to drown out legitimate opinions, but personally, it’s relentless repetition, or derogatory wording that generally frustrates me the most, not (necessarily/usually) the content.

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by Raccoon Fink on Oct 19, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions

(To be clear, I missed the GDT yesterday so I have no clue of the context. I’m not really singling out your comments specifically, rather using your stated comment as an example in the more general “negative vs. positive” context.)

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by Raccoon Fink on Oct 19, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Just to let you know Raccoon Fink, this was my exact post:

“Sorry to be negative here, but Staal is pretty worthless right now. The man has 1 game were he has a point, 1 game!”

So there was definitely a more aggressive tone to my comment, but I was frustrated.

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by PackPride17 on Oct 19, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I have yet to see Staal play a complete game thus far. When he’s on, he’s a beast. that said, he disappears for stretches, which is frustrating. The team needs to figure something out to get him going 5-on-5, once he gets into a groove he should take off. He’s been making a living on the PP, which is great and all, but I’d like to see him and Poni light ‘em up. I see they both had like 3 shots last night, which is good. Goals would be better, of course. Not sure why Ruutu is on that line? Poni’s pretty big and can bang, give a sharpshooter like bowman-boychuk-dalpe at least a shot on that line for 2-3 games, as long as they aren’t making horrifying mistakes defensively what can it hurt?

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 19, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions

I got a mention!!!

Can’t speak for this specific instance, but I always enjoy a good back and forth with you,a and many of the others on this board. You give as good as you get and keep things above board. There’s been plenty of times between just the two of us where things could have gotten personal and it’s never happened.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 19, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions

thank you.

Some managers manage using the carrot, Mo manages by using "The Stick."

by PackPride17 on Oct 19, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

No worries, and I won’t tell anyone about the e-mail you sent saying you’d turn on Dalpe if I support you. That secret is safe with me. ;-)

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 19, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey-hope you found my mention in the game thread to you as well...

by Squeaky83 on Oct 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Me or PP17? I don’t generally visit the game day threads.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 20, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Fully agreed, don’t let it deter you. I responded to your comment, but didn’t think you were trolling at all.

by Iggy Reilly on Oct 19, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

I had no problem with you reply. I thought you had a good rebuttal.

Some managers manage using the carrot, Mo manages by using "The Stick."

by PackPride17 on Oct 19, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Don’t let things get to you. I hear plenty of negative on Stahl from my wife and I’m not leaving her. I believe most people get frustrated with Stahl, not because he isn’t a good player, but they expect him to reproduce his stats from his big year and because sometimes he appears to be pouting or dogging it (probably neither being the case).

Hang in there.

by FoxtrotSierra on Oct 19, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions

Hey, we're all humans....

And we all make our fare share of mistakes. I don’t comment much on CC but I do read many of the posts. PackPride, you always give great insight and I appreciate it. Like Foxtrot said, don’t let things get to you!

by Caneshockey1712 on Oct 19, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions

Don’t worry about it, as it happens to all of us passionate fans. Not on this site but on my beloved Angels I was flamed earlier in the year for expressing some frustration in a game thread. As long as you don’t go below the belt in expressing your frustrations I don’t think anybody will mind.

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by Henderson-Sports 06 on Oct 19, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions

agree with what has been said by others. No need for apologies. We all get worked up during games sometimes and we all occasionally post some things we later regret, including yours truly.

A good time to offer my apologies to C Leaguer for the “re-hashing” comment from a few threads earlier. If we can’t re-hash things here, we might as well shut things down.

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by Bob Wage on Oct 19, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions

I don’t generally post or follow GDT. However, if I did, then you’d pretty much see some of the same statements from me….which is pretty much what I say to the TV. I think the GDT is susceptible to knee-jerk, emotional statements at times.

Harrumph

by ivyleager on Oct 20, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions

Agreed.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

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by MichaelProcton on Oct 20, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I have come to accept that Staal is a great hockey player, but he is not an amazing hockey player. I think everybody wants 40g/100p out of him every year, and we are probably asking for too much. I for one, will be happy if he keeps going at a 30/75 pace and it will be icing when he goes over that mark. In the end, I can’t complain (well maybe the salary) about a near point a game player who has only once shown that he was more than that (i.e 2006).

by daxem2k on Oct 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions

I always gauge how I feel about a player in terms of how I feel when I see them on the ice; when I see Staal on the ice I never think, “man, he is worthless.” I actually like it when I see Staal on the ice; when I see Brandon Sutter on the ice I think the same thing because I am comfortable with his defense and overall game. Right now when I see Staal take a faceoff I don’t feel comfortable with him at all. But most other times I feel comfortable with his play. I can’t measure his performance in terms of points. I don’t feel entirely comfortable watching Skinner in his own zone, but when he breaks down the ice into the offensive zone with the puck I feel entirely comfortable. Just wanted to share how “I feel” about players. It varies with certain situations and combinations on the ice.

by hockeythoughts on Oct 20, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions

Everyone is too darn sensitive. Come on – we are talking sports. Mix it up a little.
I don’t participate in the game day threads because they distract me from the game too much. I will read them periodically during intermission and since they are real time emotional responses to what is going on in the game, one would expect negative comments made in a direct manner – online version of yelling at the television or heated conversations with your friend watching the game with you. If we can’t have open dialogue and be allowed to show our personalities with our online Canes friends, than what’s the point of the board? If you don’t agree with someone’s viewpoints, ignore it. And frankly, can we all stop acting like children?

by sunshine12 on Oct 21, 2011 8:13 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs

Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say "X player is awful " at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.

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by Douchebag St John on Oct 21, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Thank you Roger

I don’t want to waste anymore of your time, but uh, I don;t suppose you could tell us where we might find a..
…
…find a…
Scoring Winger?

by Squeaky83 on Oct 21, 2011 11:02 PM EDT reply actions

Never apologize for your opinions

Year in and year out, I begin the season saying, this is the year I will be a Staal backer..and as every year, he comes out of the gate slow making it virtually impossible. Staal has not changed and neither has my opinion of him.. he is very worthless right now, overpaid slacker. FYI, I don’t give a rats behind what anyone says or thinks about my opinion.. it’s mine.

by max creek on Oct 22, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions

Is there really a whole thread for someone to apologize for slagging on a player? Is this really that much of a homer board now where you can’t do that? As long as you arent wishing death or injury on anyone, say what you want.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Oct 22, 2011 8:26 PM EDT reply actions

apparently there are rules to how and when you can respond to comments. i just got schooled on that. pretty soon only positive comments about the team, regardless of how they are playing, will be allowed.

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 24, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions

So this is the official team message board now? I guess congrats are in order(/sarcasm)

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by Douchebag St John on Oct 24, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions

If this was the team’s official message board, both of your comments would have been erased by now, and plenty more before that.

Stinky, feel free to leave whatever negative comments you want to, just like you always have done. (within reason and within guidelines). You have never been banned or even warned. Just because some folk want to debate with you and ask for some logical reasoning behind your posts, (which you chose to ignore), doesn’t mean that your comments are not allowed.

Not sure why some have to look at things in the extreme around here.

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by Bob Wage on Oct 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions

thanks bob. i actually have been warned once before, if i’m not mistaken, about too many posts on a subject during a back-and-forth (and I have tried to cut down, honestly). i think what the general consensus is here from many on the board is that it is, without a doubt, THE BEST fan board for Canes information. That said, there are a certain number of “homers” who react very negatively to criticism of the team, and several folks are getting tired of being attacked. One dude actually left the board because of this, which is a bummer. Those with a thick skin who want to refute certain thoughts or support others will thrive here, those who get easily irritated will resort to name-calling, profanity, and even personal threats. Hopefully, we can all try to get along and tolerate one another, if not wholly accept one another’s ideas as gospel.

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Oct 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions

personal threats

Look if this about the time I told C-Leaguer that I was going to put chocolate " pudding " in his freezer, he totally had that coming.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Oct 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m reading this for the first time….you really are a handful.

Harrumph

by ivyleager on Oct 27, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

It was about a basketfull actually

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Oct 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I really feel like this is a no-win for me. I get complaints that the place is too negative and I get complaints that homerism rules. People have supposedly left for both reasons.

If there was an easy solution, I wish someone would share it.

The good news for the blog is that new people must have replaced all the people who left because our overall traffic is up.

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by Bob Wage on Oct 24, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

I think you are doing as well as can be expected on the internet Bubba. Informationally, there is NO SITE, that compares. Period.

I personally believe the whole " relentless negativity " thing , while probably well intended, is simply a way for homers to flag anytime someone says anything remotely non-rah rah. Its a nice Sword of Damocles for admins to hang over people. You personally have never exercised it that I can see, but the threat is real and is there that any saying " Mo Must g…. " can get you whacked before the last " o " comes out. Frankly, I admire folks like Stinky and Squeeky who are willing to waive that flag @ their own peril.

I can’t claim this thought as my own, this goes to the above mentioned Mr Leaguer ( How’s your freezer smell BTW? ), that perhaps this is the issue with a college-centric market. Folks simply don’t get/understand/want/whatever the concept of booing the home team. That translates here to Al Gore’s interweb too.

Either way Bubba, I believe you are doing a fantastic job writing. Thank you for your articles and insight.

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by Douchebag St John on Oct 24, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't boo the team!!!

by Squeaky83 on Oct 24, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Didn’t say you " Boo " specifically, Squeaks, just that you are not afraid to say things that the sunshiners call " negative ". My bad if thats how you read that.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Oct 24, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I know

I just felt like clarifying… I cheer the team. I think I’ve shown I believe we’ve better potential than I feel our head coach can bring out and either bring together or raise anyone’s game.

Well, for our forwards. I’ll say he has had better luck with our younger defensemen, but then again, there’s no 4th line for them , and no way to only give them 5 minutes a night so defensmen get their chances….

by Squeaky83 on Oct 24, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions