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Stat Check After Nine

It's still very early, but here is your YTD stat check.

The Carolina Hurricanes have nine games in the books and they couldn't have put together a more mediocre record so far if they tried, (3-3-3).   The good news is that they have only played three games at home, (1-1-1) and six, (2-2-2) away.  The bad news is, if they don't start playing better at home, the road record won't matter. 

Looking at their division, the Caps have yet to lose, Florida is playing better than expected, and Tampa should continue be tough if their goaltending holds up.  A loss to last place Winnipeg last week didn't help Carolina's standing as they currently sit in fourth place.


Southeast Standings

GP W L OTL PT
Washington 7 7 0 0 14
Florida 8 5 3 0 10
Tampa Bay 9 4 3 2 10
Carolina 9 3 3 3 9
Winnipeg 8 2 5 1 5

(updated 10.27.2011 at 9:19 AM EDT)



Star-divide

They currently are tied for eighth in the Conference, although some teams behind them have games in hand.  


Eastern Standings

GP W-L-OT Pts
Pittsburgh Penguins 11 7-2-2 16
Washington Capitals 7 7-0-0 14
Toronto Maple Leafs 8 5-2-1 11
Philadelphia Flyers 9 5-3-1 11
Buffalo Sabres 8 5-3-0 10
Florida Panthers 8 5-3-0 10
Tampa Bay Lightning 9 4-3-2 10
New Jersey Devils 7 4-2-1 9
Carolina Hurricanes 9 3-3-3 9
New York Rangers 7 3-2-2 8
Ottawa Senators 9 4-5-0 8
New York Islanders 7 3-4-0 6
Boston Bruins 8 3-5-0 6
Montreal Canadiens 9 2-5-2 6
Winnipeg Jets 8 2-5-1 5


The Canes have allowed more goals, (30) than they have scored, (24).  They sit at 27th in the league by allowing 3.22 goals per game.  They score 2.67 goals per game, good for 14th in the league.

Powerplay percentage is clicking at 15.2%, 18th in the league.  They have killed 76.9% of their penalties, rated at 23rd best in the league. 

They average taking 29.8 shots per game, good for 16th in the league.  They allow an average of 32.8 shots, 26th in the league, which is an improvement. 

Faceoff percentage average is 46.5%, rated at 29th in the league.  The Canes have been called for a total of 41 minor penalties so far, 24th most in the league. 

They have a total of 161 hits, good for 23rd in the league and putting them on pace for about 1500 for the year.  Last season they racked up 2128 hits, good for 5th highest in the league. 

The team has a 0-3 record once reaching overtime which is last in the league, (two losses in OT, one in SO.)

 

Regarding individual stats, Jeff Skinner is leading the way in scoring with 10 points.

  Player Team Pos GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW OT S S% TOI/G Sft/G FO%
1-21 of 21 results.
1
1 Jeff Skinner CAR C 9 4 6 10 -5 6 2 0 1 0 30 13.3 17:41 23.4 0.0
2 Jussi Jokinen CAR L 9 2 4 6 +2 10 0 0 0 0 18 11.1 17:50 24.1 46.5
3 Joni Pitkanen CAR D 9 2 4 6 -5 4 1 0 1 0 21 9.5 25:05 29.7 0.0
4 Eric Staal CAR C 9 3 2 5 -9 4 3 0 0 0 30 10.0 20:19 28.7 43.2
5 Tuomo Ruutu CAR C 9 3 2 5 -4 6 1 0 0 0 13 23.1 15:43 23.9 29.2
6 Brandon Sutter CAR C 9 2 2 4 +1 2 0 1 0 0 13 15.4 18:14 26.1 54.9
7 Chad LaRose CAR R 9 1 3 4 -2 8 0 0 0 0 22 4.5 15:46 23.3 46.7
8 Jiri Tlusty CAR C 9 1 2 3 +4 4 0 0 1 0 16 6.3 12:51 19.1 0.0
9 Jay Harrison CAR D 9 1 2 3 -1 11 0 0 0 0 16 6.3 17:07 25.0 0.0
10 Tim Brent CAR C 9 1 2 3 +2 0 0 1 0 0 4 25.0 9:28 14.4 41.1
11 Tim Gleason CAR D 9 0 3 3 +6 7 0 0 0 0 4 0.0 21:20 26.8 0.0
12 Jamie McBain CAR D 6 0 3 3 +0 0 0 0 0 0 12 0.0 20:56 27.0 0.0
13 Anthony Stewart CAR R 8 2 0 2 +0 2 0 0 0 0 6 33.3 7:19 12.4 100.0
14 Alexei Ponikarovsky CAR L 9 2 0 2 +1 8 0 0 0 0 19 10.5 16:21 23.9 33.3
15 Patrick Dwyer CAR R 9 0 2 2 +4 0 0 0 0 0 15 0.0 16:52 23.7 33.3
16 Tomas Kaberle CAR D 9 0 2 2 -4 0 0 0 0 0 16 0.0 18:53 23.3 0.0
17 Bryan Allen CAR D 9 0 2 2 +4 8 0 0 0 0 4 0.0 19:35 25.6 0.0
18 Brett Sutter CAR L 4 0 1 1 -1 9 0 0 0 0 1 0.0 6:36 10.5 100.0
19 Zach Boychuk CAR L 1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0 6:39 7.0 0.0
20 Zac Dalpe CAR C 5 0 0 0 +1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0.0 6:51 10.6 0.0
21 Justin Faulk CAR D 3 0 0 0 -6 10 0 0 0 0 3 0.0 18:59 26.0 0.0



The team is about evenly split with plus/minus, with Tim Gleason at the top and Eric Staal at the bottom. 

Brandon Sutter still leads the team in faceoff percentage at 54.9%.

After a miniscule amount last season, Chad LaRose has worked his way up to getting 1:52 of powerplay time per game, sixth highest on the team for forwards.  Joni Pitkanen leads the way with the most overall time per game, (25:05) and powerplay time per game, (5:37). 

Tim Gleason and Bryan Allen top things off with the most PK time, while Patrick Dwyer and Brandon Sutter lead the forwards. 

Bryan Allen still leads the way with the most blocked shots, (24) and has also thrown in 13 hits.  The blocked shot total is 5th best in the league. 

LaRose and Gleason are tied for the team lead with 19 hits each.  Last year's team leader Tuomo Ruutu has 16, putting him on pace for about 150.  Last season he finished second in the league with 309. 

Skinner and Staal are tied with 30 shots on goal each.  LaRose is next with 22 and Pitkanen is fourth with 21. 

Ruutu leads the team in shooting percentage at 23.1%, (3 goals on 13 shots).  Sutter is next at 15.4%, (2 goals on 13 shots).  Shoot more boys.

We'll have more stat updates after the next nine or ten games.

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How long can we go without a negative or pessimistic comment about the team stats thus far? Do not count this posting.

by surgalt on Oct 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Not long – since the one immediately after yours qualifies… So what else is new.

by caniacmum on Oct 27, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm, while close to pessimism, is not the same. Sarcasm does not qualify.

by surgalt on Oct 27, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stepford Response

Yay!!! Everything is super duper great.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Oct 27, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Geez Montreal, really?!?! I had you pegged as my possible sleeper to win the Eastern Conference. Think Canes fans are upset – you should check out the situation up there.

Also, Kaberle with only two assists and a -2 rating. That’s not what JR was thinking when he signed him for that money.

On the positive side of things, Pitkanen is earning his money and has been fantastic for this team so far. McBain also with 3 points in 6 games with some fine defensive play, an even rating and has yet to take a penalty.

"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward

by anonymousJ on Oct 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

based on what I saw last night Montreal looks to be finding their groove, it’s a long season.

by Go_Shelf on Oct 27, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, I watched that game last night as well. They were looking pretty good and that new guy, what’s his name, Erik Cole, has some speed. Where did they get him from? :)

by rmmeli on Oct 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cole vs. LaRose statwise

both have 9 games
Cole has: 1 goal, 2 assists, -3 plus/minus 14:33 TOI. Cap hit over $4mil
LaRose has: 1 goal, 3 assists -2 plus/minus 15:46 TOI Cap hit under $2mil

by surgalt on Oct 27, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

Can’t wait to hear people’s thoughts on this. And please don’t give me the “everything doesn’t show up on a score sheet” b/c that’s a bunch of crap. Stats are observations without opinion. Can’t think of any way to interpret the above that skews things in Cole’s favor (through 9 games).

Don’t get me wrong—I say this will correct itself over the course of the season, but for now—this is very interesting. There’s no way LaRose is a better player than Cole—but you can’t argue with those numbers through 9 games. Wow.

by chrisbrasfield on Oct 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

I don’t want to hear “LaRose plays on the 1st line and Cole doesn’t” b/c that argument would imply Staal has been playing well which he hasn’t.

by chrisbrasfield on Oct 27, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe Cole has played on the PP until the last 2 games.

by efrancis on Oct 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

correcting myself – looks like avg PP TOI is about the same, so whoever told me that (a Habs fan) gave me bad info

by efrancis on Oct 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting...

Those stats just really shocked me. i’m sure I’m not alone.

by chrisbrasfield on Oct 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the same thing as well.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't know the answer to this but..

How many of LaRose’s points are on the PP? Again, not saying that LaRose is better than Cole—but moreso agreeing with C-Leaguer’s points that Rosey hasn’t been that bad this year. Not good, but not as awful as people are making it out to be.

by chrisbrasfield on Oct 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

none of them

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per NHL.com it’s 1.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

so...

Certainly not enough to justify that the comparison is off due to PP time. However, it now appears they have about the same PP TOI anyway.

by chrisbrasfield on Oct 27, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah

I was on Behind the Net (which is much more comprehensive but doesn’t include 5 on 3—don’t remember if we’ve had a 5 on 3 goal). Either they’re behind a game or just off.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That can happen. I usually use NHL.com for up to date stats like that in season. They have a ton of ways to parse things out.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's try to be clear here

No one ever say LaRose is awful. Most everyone agrees he is overslotted and adds nothing to the first line and doen’t have a great ability to put the puck in the net as he fails most times in prime real estate. We also all comment on how we love his work ethic.

That said, some point to his 2 as showing he’s doing well on the top lines. Well, let’s also recall that most of Staal and Skinner’s - ratings occurred when they played together—before LaRose was moved up. Mo said he put Rosie up there for his defense. So his -2 has occurred since he moved up to the top six…

by Squeaky83 on Oct 27, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

When was LaRose not in the top 6 this season? I thought that happened right before or after the last pre-season game and had been that way since.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaRose has risen to the level of a disastrous start for Cole.

Both teams should be unhappy with those stats from players in their roles.

by curiouscanesfan on Oct 27, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't quite understand the Kaberle signing

after he lit the world afire in Boston

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of a long season...

for our beloved Carolina Hurricanes..they have 73 more games to go to prove that they do not follow the teachings of the great greek phiosopher Medicorates…so please dear & fellow fans..don’t lose heart…there are still 73 Games to go !! Surely you haven’t lost heart or are discouraged…already are you ? steve waves bye..as he heads off to get his lunch…Chinese buffet but did order veggie Lo Mein !! yum !!

9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!

by CaniacSteve on Oct 27, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

The next snapshot will probably tell the tale

The most important stat by far is 3 – 3 – 3. The Canes haven’t soared to the top, but they haven’t dug themselves a deep hole either. They’ve turned up a couple of spades of earth.

Few of the other stats above give us an objective basis for optimism. Most of the numbers put the Canes somewhere in the 20s out of 30 teams. It’s hard to believe that the win-loss record will improve if many of those stats don’t.

by curiouscanesfan on Oct 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

if the 'Canes turn in another 3-3-3 in the next nine, I might not complain that much

The vast majority (7) of those games are against playoff teams from last year. Although most are at home, so perhaps 3-3-3 would yield some complaint.

But if you can take a point per game off the cream of the crop and take two from the dregs of the league, that’ll get you to the playoffs. It’s losses to teams like the Jets and Senators that just give away valuable position.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The challenge keeps getting stiffer

What you say makes sense as far as the quality of the opponents goes. However, if the Canes only have 20 points in the first 20 games, they’ll have to get at least 70 and more likely 72 in the next 62 games. They’ll have to start making more like 1.16 points per game. If they stay on the point-a-game pace for 30 games, they’ll have to get 1.2 points per game. If they have 40 points after 40 games, they’ll need closer to 1.25 standings points per game. That means something like alternating 10 game stretches where they are 5-3-2 or 6-3-1. That would be quite a turnaround. Better to get started now.

by curiouscanesfan on Oct 27, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct,

the tie point makes it incredibly difficult to make up ground. Given our propensity for ties, we’ll likely win some OT and SO games against opponents we’ll need to catch later which doesn’t help much.

The other thing to look at is the consistent Mo coached team start—against the players and coaches pre-season desires to come out stronger, win sooner, and not have to play chase the playoffs for the rest of the year.

This song is getting old.

by Squeaky83 on Oct 27, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more things change ....

the more they stay the same. The 4th line ( Dalpe, Stewart, Brett Sutter, etc) still get 6 minutes a game. Pits still gets way too much time on the PP and continues to be ineffective in that role. He still telegraphs his psses and is reluctant to shoot . For my money McBain is much better with the advantage.

The young guys with hands and a shot (Dalpe and Boychuk) are still buried. We have a great group of guys but this year looks and smells like last season. I have not gone to a game yet and don’t think I will until MO is gone. He may be a great guy, the players may all love him, but his track record speaks for itself.

by JohnSS on Oct 27, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

You may have to wait a long time if that is your criteria for going to a game.

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting"..........holy cow.......what a ride!"

by Spanky31 on Oct 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean

how they went with a young team last year and then promptly left town?

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean

The way the fans stayed away until they were a winner. Both times. Atlanta fans staying away in droves turned that city in the best thing ever for Canadien hockey team expansion. Aren’t Canadien teams 6 and 7 ex-Atlanta franchises? Do we want the Crapitals trying to market that team to us like the Canes and Preds are doing in Atlanta now? I’d rather John SS show up occasionally, get drunk and rowdy and cheer for the Slugs than never buy a ticket. (With sincere apologies to John SS!) He can even booo loudly whenever the coach is introduced at the game.

by surgalt on Oct 27, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Atlanta never built a winner, but they also never tried to build a winner. That ownership group was suing itself about a year after The Spirit bought the Thrash and Hawks from Ted Turner.

Comparing a team that never won a playoff game and only went once to the Canes is a bit of a stretch.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

while that's fair

you know Southern markets are going to be under the gun as soon as the teams start struggling and/or fans stop showing up.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ve already been through that. It was 2002-03 and 2004-04, and before that any year before the first cup run and before that any year in Greensboro. The attendance numbers here are no where near as bad as they used to be. They could be better, I won’t deny that. I’d like to see the arena at 95% capacity for the season if not higher. But attendance is still on the upswing.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think every Southeastern market has been through that

and will again if people stop showing up. This isn’t to say that we should be panicked, but it is enough to give pause before employing a “don’t go to games until Mo is gone” strategy.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That strategy actually doesn’t bother me that much. The NHL has never moved a team that has won the cup. And, two, the attendance spiked quite a bit after Mo was fired the first time.

Honestly I think the org and the media focus too much on the attendance and if this market can stay. They received a ton of positive press after the all-star game last year and there were plenty of people at the season ticket holders party last night. If some portion of folks want to not go to get their point across I think that’s fine. It might have a short term impact on revenue but I think it will for the most part even out.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the risk of nitpicking. I did not mean to compare teams, management or on the ice results. I was trying to highlight the self destructive nature of staying away for any reason to teach ownership a lesson. Atlanta had horrible ownership problems, consistently inept marketing, and serial personnel mistakes (see Barry Melrose). Atlanta made even the Coyotes look like the Red Wings. I apologize for the appearance I was using the Canes to benchmark the Thrashers.

by surgalt on Oct 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification. I see what you were trying to get at.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barry Melrose?

I seem to remember him being an OK Hockey mistake. Now excuse me while I weep softly into the wrong end of a saxophone.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we confusing Tampa and Atlanta? I remember Barry in Tampa at the start of Stamkos’ rookie year, but not in Atlanta.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I am confused but not quite senile yet. The mullet must have distracted me to the point I forgot to look at the jerseys.

by surgalt on Oct 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That will happen.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Always turn a negative situation into a positive situation." Michael Jordan

The season is just starting, we need to give it time, yes we do have our fair share of problems and there are many areas that need improving. That being said I believe in my heart that we have a bright future ahead of us…. the Canes nation. What I see when i watch a game is young guys playing their butts off to make a negative situation into a positive………dont lose faith Canes fatihful…….as my daddy use to say “the sun dont shine on one dogs butt all his life” ……….we will have our time in the sun

Roll Canes Roll

by littlepig on Oct 27, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Does it seem odd

that the areas that need improving are EXACTLY the same ones as last year?? And very similar to those the year before? And then similar again to those back before the lock out??

by Squeaky83 on Oct 27, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching all of the games and looking at these stats the one glaring weakness for me is finding someone to play with Staal. If we had some scoring on that first line the dynamics of this team would change drastically.

by hotchipsnsalsa on Oct 27, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Question

Does anyone remember how many points we had after the horrible October schedule from last year? Would be an interesting data point to compare.

by chrisbrasfield on Oct 27, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

10 points in 10 games

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

I discover this website, and it’s amazing

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is an awesome site. Thanks for that link. Already bookmarked.

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by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. Thanks.

Twitter @HMof2

by Carolyn Christians on Oct 27, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I remember being very happy at the end of October with where they were. Honestly, I know people don’t want a repeat of last year (which I don’t either), but, if they can be in the hunt all year I’ll certainly take it.

Meaning—following the same course all year doesn’t mean we are a horrible team, just means we are on the bubble. We can just hope for a couple extra wins (literally, just a couple) and we’re in. Baby steps.

by chrisbrasfield on Oct 27, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

just spot-checking standings as of various dates throughout October and November

the ’Canes were never more than +1 or -1 off an 82 point pace (1 PPG) in either month. 3-3-0 through six, 4-3-0 through seven, 5-5-0 through ten, 8-7-0 through fifteen, 9-9-2 through twenty, 10-10-2 through twenty-two.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 27, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um

That’s the standard measure for long term disaster… Let’s say we miss by one again… Darn… What changes do we make?? No lottery draft picks… Darn, so probaly no impact high draft pick player making the roster. Well, we have all that talent from Charlotte.. oh wait, Mo doesn’t play them…we will not know again if Dalpe et al can play…. No money from no playoffs means PK/JR don’t get anyon from free agency…

Oh joy. Here’s to mediocrity again!!

by Squeaky83 on Oct 27, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does a team miss the playoff and not have a lottery pick? Not following that one. Are you saying only the top 5 are part of the lottery since only those have a shot at the #1 pick?

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I think he means. I actually consider it the same way. I know we could move up some, but generally the top 5 are the best players and the rest are still crapshoots. There are a lot of good players, but for the most part the top 3 or 5 are considered the impact/star quality.

Some managers manage using the carrot, Mo manages by using "The Stick."

by PackPride17 on Oct 27, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can understand that frustration. I’m still miffed that the team didn’t go through with the full rebuild we were promised before last season. Joni is playing some of the best hockey of his career and Skinner is even more Skinneriffic this year than last, so that eases some of the concerns. So does the play of Faulk and the drafting of Murphy.

But still, the sellers were huge winners at the deadline last year, and trading Cole and or Joni could have brought a lot back. And, while Joni is playing great hockey, that would open up a spot for a guy like Faulk and address some of the log jam on the blue line. Trading Cole would just be gravy knowing what we know now, although given he signed on July 1 and wasn’t in contact with JR a lot prior to that, I think things would probably have played out much the same way had Cole been traded at the deadline. Not sure losing a few more games would have netted a draft better than Murphy and Rask in the first two rounds. But who knows, perhaps losing a few more games puts the team at a higher draft number and they are able to package that (call it #8) plus some items to get up to #2 and take Landeskog. He’s already 4-2-6 and +2 on Colorado. Imagine if he was paired with Skinner or riding shotgun with Staal.

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by C-Leaguer on Oct 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest stat

Eric Staal 3 2 5 and -9. Dude has 1 even strength point, and is -9, and the team is .500. Honestly, if we were told that Staal would be -9 with 1 even strength point and 5 points total after 9 games before the season started we’d be excited to have .500 record.

There’s a lot right about this team. The D looks pretty solid. Cam is at .919 and 2.66 and that’s with giving up 5 goals on 34 shots in the first game against Tampa. The third line looks very good. The face off numbers are up. Even with the inconsistency the team has bought is more deeply and earlier to the system than they did last year (which is kind of a back handed compliment). Skinner is over a point per game pace. The team is much more physical than in years past.

If Staal can get going, a lot of what ails this team will get fixed. Even if he as the Captain can fully buy in and play hard for a full 60 minutes, that should help the overall level of play and help the team turn more of those early goals in to W’s. An upgrade at RW in the top 6 would be nice too, but with Staal going they should be able to put themselves in a position to be buyers at the deadline and address that need then.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

I’ve agreed with every single one of your posts for like 3 months now. You’re on a roll.

by chrisbrasfield on Oct 27, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, that’s all the opinions I felt when I wrote the post above — you just mentioned everything more elegantly.

by hotchipsnsalsa on Oct 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re spot on! The key to this team is Staal. If he’s playing well, they have a good to great shot at winning. The question is what is wrong with Staal?

Has he just not found chemistry with his linemates?
Does he miss Cole?
Is he putting too much pressure on himself?
Is he just not giving it his all?
Does he need additional help?

What is going on and what can be done to fix it?

Some managers manage using the carrot, Mo manages by using "The Stick."

by PackPride17 on Oct 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say he looked pretty good in the first period Tuesday. I’d like to see that same level of effort for a few games before a personnel change (although if there is no change in a few games there may need to be a personnel change to shake things up). I say that because as a center and captain it’s his job to get himself and the rest of the team going.

Although, one thing I can’t shake is how similar Staal’s season so far is to O’Neill’s season in 2003-04. Nothing was working. Things that should work weren’t. Staal isn’t as snake bit, but the seasons seem awful similar so far.

When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.

by C-Leaguer on Oct 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-3-3 is not horrible with 6 road games. Hopefully they can tread water so that their scorching hot January/February will be meaningful this year.

by uspsuperman on Oct 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Is That You Mo?

Sheesh. Coming from an organization that says all UNC, Duke, and NCSU fans are Canes fans.

No…they like a winner.

by WStout on Oct 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

I didn’t think it was possible to disagree that 3-3-3 was “not horrible”. What would you say is “not horrible”?

I certainly can understand disappointment—but I don’t get thinking that our record is horrible.

by chrisbrasfield on Oct 27, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Power of Positive Thinking

Consider: Being forced to make only positive points about current Canes…1) What sophomore jinx? 2)The ‘dream Joni’ is HERE! 3)Defense is Tougher and Grittier! 4)Defense has ‘cannon’ in Charlotte when needed(Faulk) 5)Is it POSSIBLE for Sutter to get even BETTER! 6) CAM is still ‘Cam Like’ 7) They aggressively coompete regardless of score……….Sounds GOOD to me!

by gump61 on Oct 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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