Clicks and Clippings: 3-3-3
by Carolyn Christians on Oct 27, 2011 3:35 PM EDT
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Full house of forwards at practice - Canes Now Coach Paul Maurice said Tim Brent would play tomorrow against the Chicago Blackhawks at the RBC Center. Anthony Stewart, who has been slowed by a lower-body injury, will be a game-time decision. Brett Sutter and Zach Boychuk both were at practice today, so there has been no reassignments to the Checkers -- for now. ★★★
- Canes Want More Effective 5-on-3 - Michael Smith, Tracking the Storm "There’s always somebody working the puck and you’re working plays, but we don’t care what side it comes off of whether it’s Skinner or Jokinen," Paul Maurice said. "We’re looking for two or three things to happen as quickly as possible for the shot. Pretty simple." ★★★
- 'Finns & Skins' line suddenly scoring for Canes - Chip Alexander, NewsObserver.com The subject was goal scoring, and how some players can't seem to find the back of the net, then suddenly can't miss it. ★★★
- Canes Search for Offense, Juggle Lines - Tracking the Storm "There are no easy games for us. The bench never folded. We stayed in the fight," Maurice said. "And that’s a really important trait to develop in your team – that they never quit." ★★★
- Staal to wing? Go ahead...Tell me I'm crazy - Matt Karash, HockeBuzz.com Following on my game blog from last night, I think it would be interesting to move Eric Staal to wing, not necessarily permanently but to see if it can jumpstart things a bit. ★★★
Few more on the hometeam
following that baffling shoot-out loss Tuesday
- Next Day's Notes: Senators-Hurricanes - Kurt Dusterberg, HurricanesBeat.com The Zach Boychuk Question is front and center on the minds of many Hurricanes fans. ★★★
- Boychuk needs his NHL shot - Luke DeCock, NewsObserver.com Zach Boychuk had a pretty good seat for the comeback. As the Carolina Hurricanes fought back from two goals down late in the third period on their way to a 3-2 shootout loss to the Ottawa Senators on Tuesday, Boychuk watched from the bench. ★★★
- Carolina Hurricanes: Game Day - Alec Hardy | Sports Carolina Monthly talks to a Tim Brent, Brian Boucher and Jeff Skinner about their routines (and superstitions) on game day. ★★★
- Carolina Hurricanes vs. Ottawa Senators 10/25/11 Scoring Chances | Shutdown line Carolina couldn't seem to out-power the Senators top-line so Maurice elected to play the smart matchup and put Brandon Sutter 's line against Jason Spezza's which seemed to pay off. I can't stress enough how good Tomas Kaberle and Jay Harrison were last night. Just look at what they did against the Sens top line and the Kuba-Karlsson pairing. ★★★
- This post-gamer from the Ottawa game has several bullet-points worth reading: Cheapseats: Pronger injury triggers painful memories | Toronto Sun The morning after a scary eye injury to Philadelphia Flyers defenceman Chris Pronger prompted yet another discussion on visors — and had reporters asking the two Pauls at the RBC Center about similarly dangerous experiences of their own. ★★★
- Jussi Jokinen with Chuck Kaiton This interview aired Tuesday during the 2nd intermission, recorded prior to the game vs Ottawa that night. ★★★ [ AUDIO - 5 mins]
- Canes vs. Senators 10.25.2011 - Jamie Kellner's set on Flickr
Taking a broader view
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The Player: Can we trust NHL, Shanahan’s judgment on hits? - Puck Daddy Clarity. Transparency. Logic. What a novel idea. ★★★★★
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Mostly because it compared Cam Ward to other elite goaltenders, Perception and reality: A look at what amounts to greatness in a NHL goalie - Chris Johnson, Canadian Press ★★★
But it's virtually impossible to find any consensus when trying to identify who the NHL's best goalie is. A straw poll of nine people with close ties to the league — one current goalie, seven former players (including five goalies) and a former coach — produced six different answers when asked Wednesday to name the goalie that would give a team the best chance to win the Stanley Cup this season. Reigning champion Tim Thomas of the Boston Bruins, Nashville's Pekka Rinne and Buffalo's Ryan Miller received two votes apiece while Henrik Lundqvist of the New York Rangers, Marc-Andre Fleury of the Pittsburgh Penguins and Carolina's Cam Ward got one.
Prospects
- Blades' Justin Shugg named ECHL Player of Week - Naples Daily News ...19-year-old Justin Shugg scored three goals, added three assists and was a plus-1 for Florida during the Everblades' three-game road trip this past weekend.
- Recruited to play football for Iowa, Alt chose Gophers hockey - mndaily.com "I think I’m turning into more of a defensive defenseman," Mark Alt said. "I can be offensive and it’s something I’m working on — patience with the puck at the point, especially. But what I really want to focus on is being a shutdown defenseman in our zone." ★★★
- WHL: Impact imports paying early dividends - Buzzing The Net - Yahoo! Sports
Victor Rask, Calgary Hitmen— Despite there being a lot of uncertainty whether Rask would join the Hitmen or go back to Sweden, the 6-foot-1, 192-pound centre made Calgary his new home after his new boss and Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford expressed a strong interest in him playing in North America this season.
Rask, 18, has gotten off to a fast start, scoring six goals and 11 points in 10 games — including a hat-trick against the Swift Current Broncos last Saturday. The Hitmen will be relying heavily on Rask for points. His play will have to be the difference-maker in order to edge the likes of the Regina Pats and Prince Albert Raiders in the Eastern Conference playoff race.
Picking on the Bruins
Wednesday Wake-Up Call: Dennis Seidenberg | ProHockeyTalk The Boston blueliner was a key piece of last spring's Stanley Cup run. But this fall? Different story.
BHN: What Made Nathan Horton So Angry - Harkening back to when Nathan Horton went after Tim Gleason last week, a slideshow suggesting the unknown backstory. ★★★
From the slideshow: Zdeno Chara, Adam McQuaid, Brad Marchand, Jordan Caron Visit Children’s Hospital in Halloween Costumes - NESN.com ★★★
Courtesy of PHT Morning Skate: Hardcore phony fans of the Bruins (get through the ads - it's worth ★★★★★):
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Wooo Hooo
More good stuff to read and digest !! hell one can never get too much in on or aobut The canes !! Thank you !!
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I’ve considered putting staal at the wing, but my biggest issue was trying to find a center then to go with him. I didn’t want to break up finner/skinner combo, so my best solution was to bump sutter up to the 1st line to play with staal and poni (yes, this means chad larose gets bumped down to the 3rd line).
I realize this messes up the canes ‘checking’ line and most defensively responsible line, but isn’t maurice quoted as saying he was high on chad’s defense, and that was why he was bumped up to play on the top line anyway?
So I’d do something like:
Staal-Sutter-Poni
Tlusty-Jokinen-Skinner
Larose-Ruutu-Dwyer
Stewart-Brent-xx
Is the question the right one
Canes management has fought the question who is the match for Staal on wing for what seems to be eons. Staal is not the prototypical center, arguably not the traditional moldel for NHL center at all. Matt Karash’s blog deals with this thought fully, so I will not rehash it. The match for Staal may not be the prototypical wing. Is that why Dalpe and Boychuk aren’t getting the tryout on his wing they seem to be made for? Is that why Whitney was such a good wing for Staal? Staal is a center with a game more like a wing. Maybe we need a wing that plays like a center. Tlusty gets a full try out tonight. Think like a center Juri.
Jimmy Rutherford Lunch - from other thread
I got to go to a suiteowner lunch today, due to the fortuitous out of town trip of another person, and we had lunch with none other than Jim Rutherford.
He was personable, candid and funny and it was a very interesting hour. A lot of talk about the league and finances, a little push for more suite rentals, and then a question and answer session.
Basically, he’s satisfied but not ecstatic about where the team is. .500, he said, is a good base to go into the rest of the season, and given how certain players are developing and the team is coming together, he says he’s confident we’ll be in the mix for a playoff spot.
As we were, he was very complimentary of Staal’s effort last game, and expects the puck to start going in in the next game or two "and then away we go."
Highly positive on Boychuk. Made some very interesting points about the length of shifts in the minors, where Boychuk and others are averaging over 1.5 minutes a shift. In the NHL, it needs to be more like 40 seconds, and he said young players need to learn to come in and exhaust themselves in 40 seconds and get off the ice, rather than conserving energy and playing longer shifts. I thought it was quite interesting.
Boychuk’s shifts the other night averaged 1 minute 7 seconds. Still too long for Mr. Rutherford. But he likes Boychuk and says Maurice does too.
Extremely positive reports on development of some young guys in the system, particularly Rask. He loves Rask. He said some really funny things about that, but I don’t think it was for attribution, so I won’t quote him. But suffice it to say, he’s very high on the kid.
Also encouraging word on Joslin, who he also showered with praise (can play both sides, plays with an edge, etc.) Was very candid about having a logjam at defenseman, and being open to the right offer to get a forward. Said he thinks Joslin is nearly recovered from mono.
Also there are a couple injuries affecting certain players. He gave specifics they don’t give on the injury report, so I won’t say exactly what he said, but they affect some of the things we complained about the other night, particularly faceoffs.
Very high on Tim Brent. Said when all is clicking, we will be able to roll four lines that can score.
Also, the chicken and green beans were excellent, and the cranberry and macadamia cookies kicked ass.
P.S. – he also loved Pitkanen’s play so far this year and was nearly giggling over what Tim Gleason’s discipline did to the Bruins.
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by DidJussiThat? on Oct 27, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks so much. I really wish I could hear the Rask stories – sounds pretty rich.
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by Carolyn Christians on Oct 27, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Rask and Boychuk (and Dalpe)
I really appreciate the insights. Dalpe, Boychuk, and now Rask are on my hockey radar for some time. Rask I thought was a steal and I was surprised that many teams seemed like they didn’t do a detailed investigation into the rumors of Rask being a hard guy to coach. In short, every time I looked for substance either a shift he had taken off, columns about him giving less that stellar effort, etc. I came up with nothing. I am 100% confident I’ve only touched the surface of the research done by the Hurricanes of course. Rask seems to be a very determined kid and is the kind of person who probably has at least a mental list of 100 things he needs to do to get to the NHL. I wouldn’t be shocked if he had a written list someplace. He’s organized in his approach and plays a very cerebral game. He goes East to West very well, much the way Ruutu can be going full speed straight ahead, then he’s stopped and back at it. Rask is elusive as well.
I’m also really pleased to hear the positive comments about Boychuk. He’s still in the development stage, but I continue to believe he can help the Hurricanes if Maurice will learn to trust him and if he can add more creativity to his offensive skill set. I didn’t see anything about Dalpe, but out of completeness wanted to add that Dalpe is a key to the Hurricanes this year; but needs to get time in the top six. Again, thanks so very much for the insights.
This is great information. Let me add my thanks, DJT.
I have a basic question about length of shifts. I thought coaches ordered changes and players knew what to expect. It would be weird after all this time if Boychuk has been told the Canes want 40-second shifts and he is still pacing himself to skate twice as long. How could that happen?
It is great to hear some positive words about Boychuk.
by curiouscanesfan on Oct 27, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Having never actually played hockey, I dont know exactly how that works
But JR mentioned it several times as something players and coaches in Charlotte need to work on. He said it was a key developmental coaching thing that needs to happen.
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by DidJussiThat? on Oct 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What a Moron
No wonder he likes Mo. He’s as dense as Mo.
0-9 would be a good base too. Nowhere to go but up.
1 minute shift, 2 minute shift, wtf difference does it make when all you do is dump it?
We need to clean house from manager on down in my opinion….
What’s-his-name in Charlotte said this is a marathon not a sprint. Whatever dude. That is where we fail….this is a marathon OF sprints.
Second place is still losing. Find a way. Or move to mukafukawherearewe, canada where 0-82 is acceptable.
thanks for your constructive comments
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by DidJussiThat? on Oct 27, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I am glad you reported on that cranberry & macadamia cookie, I was really wondering about those!
Kidding aside, great insight & awesome that u got to have lunch with him!
RAKASTAN SUOMEN!!
by danicanes on Oct 27, 2011 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also...
based only on my own conclusions from things he said, not any direct statement from Jim Rutherford, if I were Kaberle, I wouldn’t buy a house.
JR loves the way Pitkanen is playing, and thinks part of it is that the organEYEzation showed loyalty to him. He also spoke highly of Joslin and Faulk. He also said he thinks Tim Gleason has really shown him something by playing on his off side very successfully and with great discipline, and he things putting Gleason and Allen out together is a very tough line for other teams to handle. As he said – which of them are you going to choose to hit or fight?
So, that leaves Jay Harrison – who is a value guy, but not trade bait. McBain, who other teams might like to get, but I just can’t see them giving up because of his tremendous upside, and Kaberle who is a known commodity in the league and a very capable all around defenseman who hasn’t hit his stride here yet.
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Kaberle
Your comments about Kaberle or potentially Harrison (but less so with Harrison for the reasons you mentioned as well as Harrison’s continued development and maturation as a steady defenseman) are how I see the situation.
McBain has a lot of value
I’d hate it, but you never know, for the right offer….
I mean, which of our defenseman would you give up for a shot at somebody like Tomas Vanek (I said like) – a big winger who can score and could feast on Staal’s passes?
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by DidJussiThat? on Oct 27, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Vanek is an excellent example of a wing who could really help Staal and the team. Staal is not really a passer as much as he is a scorer, who puts pucks on net and whose rebounds create scoring opportunities. Even so, McBain for Vanek (although I can’t see Buffalo doing that) would be a deal the Hurricanes would have to make, I think.
What I think will happen is that the Hurricanes would take a lesser deal to trade Kaberle in order to keep players like McBain.
Staal is not really a passer as much as he is a scorer, who puts pucks on net and whose rebounds create scoring opportunities.
Which is why I think we need a big body in front of the net a la Holstrom type player. He parks his butt in front of the net and cleans up.
Harrumph
Ponikarovsky in front of the net is that Big Man. Now to find a right wing who can distribute pucks to Staal and who can score himself. If that happens, Staal will have plenty of space to operate.
I know a lot of people are fans of the Skinner Finner line, but this is why I think Jussi would be a nice right wing for Staal. I can’t understand why Mo hasn’t tried Poni/Staal/Jussi. It seems like a really balanced line. Then he can put Skinner/Ruutu/Stewart on the 2nd line or in Mo’s case Skinner/Ruutu/LaRose.
Some managers manage using the carrot, Mo manages by using "The Stick."
by PackPride17 on Oct 27, 2011 10:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Staal’s passes
Made me LOL. Funniest line of the thread. You win!
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
you must be watching another team
because just last game I saw him leave it on the stick of LaRose at least three times (missed all three) and the pass to Harrison off the rush in overtime was a thing of beauty.
Just because he has been forced to play with wingers who can’t finish doesn’t mean he can’t pass.
People who criticize Staal so harshly and with so little evident understanding of what he faces every night are looking a gift horse in the mouth. A market this small is freaking lucky to have a talent like that with loyalty like he has shown. He could be a huge star in another market.
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Oct 28, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Appreciate you sharing information and understand that there are some things that need to stay confidential. One of the things many appreciate about Jim is his candor but he can also shut you out if he knows you are not discrete.
Wondering if he had any thoughts you can share about LaRose and his slotting on the top line.
Ignore Stout and the shift length comment. Comes from someone who has never played. It is an issue on every team at every level and needs constant monitoring. Years ago shifts were longer but the game is faster now and every team aims to keep shifts tight. It is such a reactionary and fast paced game that you have to work at it. In Juniors shifts tend to go longer. Coaches then work on shortening shifts for those that play in the AHL, but because the play is not as intense and fast as the NHL, the shifts tend to go a bit longer. Just needs some tweaking and not because of bad coaching as Stout alluded to. Hell Scotty Bowman used to talk about working on it all the time. The key for players is when you start to look to change…. it is not when you are gassed but rather you need a mental clock to know when to start looking for the opportunity. Takes times for young players to undue years of habit.
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My grandparents lived in Anderson, South Carolina and we lived 40 miles away in Greenville, South Carolina. In ancient times, my parents would load all four kids into the huge station wagon and we’d drive down the so-called State Highways before I-85 existed to Anderson. It was largely pastures.
We would play count the cows or cow poker to keep our parents’ sanity. Horses counted double, mules didn’t count. There were always mules in the fields with the stallions; so either my brother or I asked our father why the farmers always had mules with the stallions. He told us the mules kept the stallions calm.
I can think of no other reason why the coaches would keep a bottom 12 forward in the top six.
by abramsdoug on Oct 28, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pretty accurate. Geldings work the same way.
I understand the analogy, but seriously, you’re calling LaRose an ass? ;-\
Maybe it’s because he’s a right wing and we’re a team loaded w/ lefties? I’ve struggled with it myself. I don’t know Mo’s reasoning, and I’ve quit trying to figure it out. Not sure there is any valid reasoning behind it. if there is, it isn’t readily apparent to me or the majority of fans. It is very frustrating for sure to see Staal floundering with the line assignments to date.
Harrumph
I don’t know Mo’s reasoning,
Well, it’s either LaRose, Dwyer, or an injured Dalpe. Hopefully Dalpe returns from injury and makes it easier for Mo to put him in LaRose’s spot.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
Yes, it is problematic to have the lack of depth. Another reason to give Mo a break (I CANNOT BELIEVE I JUST SAID THAT).
Harrumph
There are still reasons to criticize Mo. I just put this LaRose thing on JR. Hopefully Dalpe comes back and is the player in the NHL he was in the AHL playoffs last year and it dies down.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
i wouldn't be so sure about your first statement.
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by DidJussiThat? on Oct 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There are no reasons to criticize Mo?
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
no, sorry. second statement. duh
“I just put this LaRose thing on JR”
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by DidJussiThat? on Nov 2, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Doug, that is the funniest thing I have ever seen you post. Kudos to you sir.
When my opinions and reality don't coincide I re-evaluate my opinions, not reality.
=) Agree – I rec’d it…
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by Carolyn Christians on Oct 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Vancouver, see where they got beat by that “awful team that beat us in overtime” the other nite? Shutout , I do believe it was. ;-)
That same team and goalie who beat the Flyers as well.
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by Carolyn Christians on Oct 27, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Winnipeg is now beating Philly too.
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by Carolyn Christians on Oct 27, 2011 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
I was wondering if maybe we as fans may have jumped to erroneous conclusions on who the “good” and “bad” teams are – and responded to the recent losses as the ones that should be easy wins.
But Boston is currently #15 in the Conference and we beat them twice. Maybe that was to be expected because right now, they really suck and we read too much into it that the Canes pulled it off.
Beating Winnipeg in WPG is tough (especially with that back-to-back). Ottawa has now won 4 in a row (Tuesday was their 3rd of the 4).
I’m so lost I just can’t say anything. Just another suggestion.
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by Carolyn Christians on Oct 27, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Parity
I’m thinking the teams are all so evenly matched due to parity that no game is a breeze. So many of the games come down to two or three mental errors or superb plays that turn the game around.
That's true for the middle to lower tier teams..IMO
However, when you look at elite teams like Detroit, Washington, …Pittsburgh..Chicago…and a few others…the depth, system, and coaching…make these teams clearly more intimidating and locks for the playoffs every season. Any time we notch a win against these teams, it is an accomplishment. They can dismantle a team so very quickly.
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
Aside from Detroit, the only reason Washington Pittsburgh and Chicago are any good is because they endured many years of suck which led to some generational talent in the draft.
by TylerA7707 on Oct 28, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Often overlooked point
This is why we only have Staal from a top 3 pick. Thats the problem/blessing with being a middle of the road team. We don’t draft top 3, but every once in a while we stumble and are rewarded with a Skinner. Those teams were terrible for years on end and that’s the only reason they’re as good as they are.
Detroit….. intimidating? Did you see their last two games. Lost 7-1 to Washington and 4-1 to Columbus and looked anything but intimidating.
Detroit has more scouts in Europe alone than we have in total. They do a good job of getting players from there that others overlook. But overall their organizational depth and farm system is average. What they have is an owner with deep pockets; sellouts almost every night and lots of money to go get free agents every year. Easier to coach when you have those weapons.
Throw in scheduling differences
Heard this reference on XM radio yesterday.
Heres a snapshot of Washington’s schedule for their first 8 games. Record 7 wins 1 loss. 6 home 3 away. No back to backs. Played 3 teams on second night of back to backs all wins (one in OT vs. Canes). All were wins. 3 OTs or SOs yielded 3 wins. Lost their 1 road game in another time zone (last night).
Now the Canes. Record 3-3-3. 3 home 6 away. Tonite begins our 3rd back to back. Have yet to win in a back to back. Haved played no teams coming off a back to back. 3OTs or SOs yield no wins. 2 loses in one western swing, including Winnipeg the night after St. Louis.
Oops. Third try might be the charm.
Heard this on XM radio yesterday.
Washington 8 game schedule snapshot. 5 home 3 road. 7 wins 1 loss. 3 wins in OT or SO. No back to backs. 3 wins in second night of opponents back to back. Until loss last nite in Edmonton no games out eastern time zone.
Canes in 9 games 3 home 6 road. 3-3-3 record. O wins in OT or SO. 2 back to backs yield 2 losses. No games against opponents on back to backs. One western road trip back to back with St. Louis and Winnipeg both losses. Winnipeg game was 3rd game in 4 nights.
Apparently Stewart is good to go, and Brett Sutter will sit out. That means Boychuk will play. Now will it be Boychuk or Stewart as the 4th line RW? And where will the other play?
Tlusty- Staal – LaRose
Skinner – Jussi – Ruutu
Poni – Sutter 16 – Dwyer
Boychuk – Brent – Stewart?
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by Carolyn Christians on Oct 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
From @ice_chip at practice – I should have said.
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by Carolyn Christians on Oct 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
JR said yesterday
That Tlusty has played his way into the top 9, which changes what he thought the 4th line would be when the season started.
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When Zac Dalpe gets back - we got a logjam
Which is why I think we’ll be packaging a D-man and a Forward with a prospect for a chance at a marquee forward. Just my own thoughts.
What RFA forwards are out there?
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What would we have to trade to get Iginla in the last year of his contract?
I doubt we could pay him, but wouldn’t THAT be fun to see.
How would you like to defend a line of Skins, Staal and Iginla?
[pipe dream mode off]
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i wish somebody would do a comparison of first lines of all the teams
a rankings list- is there one out there…?
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That would be interesting – How would you want them ranked? By points, +/-, TOI, Salary cap – those are all things I’d want to compare. Also Corsi and the other more complex stats. Maybe there’s a fantasy hockey site that does this sort of thing? I’m amazed at the stuff that’s out there.
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by Carolyn Christians on Oct 28, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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