Bad To The Bone: Canadiens 4, Hurricanes 0
by Bob Wage on Nov 16, 2011 10:07 PM EST
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It seems like the Carolina Hurricanes left their skates in Raleigh as they were embarrassed by the Montreal Canadiens on Wednesday night by a score of 4-0, at the Bell Centre. Carey Price picked up the shutout for the Habs, most likely the easiest of his career.
The home team dominated right from the start and at one point in the second period were outshooting the Hurricanes 20-5.
The visiting team was so pathetic in this game that the TSN crew started making one-liners. "This is the worst defensive performance I have seen all year." "It's not exactly a 5 star offensive effort either." "I see nothing positive to take out of this." "They are an absolute mess."
The Canes were also facing a team with several defensive players out.
The major question now? Does Carolina have the leadership necessary to turn this thing around? The team has now lost six of their last seven games and 10 of their last 13.
They travel back home to face Buffalo on Friday night.
Game Notes:
- Carolina was outshot 16-3 in the first period and 16-8 in the second. The Habs sat back much of the third, after building a 4-0 lead after two. According to our intern, the Habs outchanced the Canes 16-11.
- Eric Staal led the team with seven shots on goal, but added to his league worst (-16) with another minus, giving him (-17) for the season. The TSN crew put up a graphic that he was on pace for -77 for the season.
- Bryan Allen and Jay Harrison had five blocked shots each. Tuomo Ruutu and Allen had a team high four hits.
- The team was 0-6 on the powerplay and had some time with a 5-on-3 and 4-on-3 advantage, but could do little with it.
Postgame interviews now available.
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ice_chip Chip Alexander
Of one-on-one battles, Maurice said, “We didn’t even get to them, much less win ’em.”
Thanks for those. The Staal one is as low as I’ve ever heard him.
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Nov 16, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Last week during the Rangers postgame audio w/Maurice it was set to a background of crashing screeching metal. Tonight it’s like a home smoke detector in the background. You just can’t make this up.
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Nov 16, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
ice_chip Chip Alexander
Staal was more blunt: “We didn’t play really. We didn’t show up, we didn’t play and got what we deserved.”
OK, we saw that....
The real question is why would an entire team play that way? Not just a couple of individuals not giving their all, but the entire team?
It’s either they are done with the coach, or they just don’t care…
I honestly believe they’ve quit on Mo. I didn’t see the game (didn’t need to) but I began speculating that a few games ago.
The only easy day was yesterday.
by CoastalCane on Nov 16, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
You would think as Captain a lot of that is on Staal himself.
by JussiJuice on Nov 17, 2011 9:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Most disheartening loss in a long time...
I would usually pile on the team right now but this game was more depressing than frustrating. It sucks to hear we got sticks flying around the lockerroom and people walking out in between periods. I think it’s safe to say that Mo has lost this team. Depressing but not surprising to hear Ward has probably reached his tipping point with the team in front of him.
They say JR has been working the phone lines but I’m not sure what deals can be made. The people he probably wants to trade are basically untradeable considering the contracts he’s given out to marginal and declining players. I think it’s time to cut ties with Mo, play the young guys 15 or so minutes a night, trade some people at the trade deadline if possible and officially rebuild.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
Caniacmum,
The comment was pure sarcasm. Since the sarcasm was missed let me be blunt. There is so much blame to go around it’s impossible to know where to start. Unless you count sucking in the first period as an improvement over sucking in the third the only thing on a an uptrend are faceoff percentages. Offense anemic, defense porous, morale conspicuously in the crapper. But Mo is only a symptom,not the problem. His moving up, out or over will be only temporary relief, and his replacement might make things worse. Right now the team and leadership are one big undisclosed upper body injury needing a psychiatrist more than sports medicine doctor. We are neither the best team in the league, nor the worst. Ninth or tenth place trending flat is likely our most reasonable expectation for this team. Last trending down is our current status. Losing like tonite embarassingly sucks. Can’t sugar coat it more than that . P.S. I’m a 10 year STH and will go to every game and hope for better.
Bob did mention, but mercifully didn’t detail, just how inexperienced the Habs D-corps was this game. TSN pre-game highlighted it.
Lets just say we got totally shut down for two periods by a bunch of kids.
by drifterscape on Nov 17, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
And this is how it starts and the next thing you know your favorite thing in the whole world has moved to Canada where they can sell the hell out of season tickets.
by coastalcaniac on Nov 17, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Well, in listening to many NHL shows, they seem as puzzled as Mo. Most think we have better talent and should be getting better results.
JR needs to really decide if this is indeed “the best coaching staff in the NHL,” or add a clarification to his statement: “…for maintaining locker assignements in the dressing room.”
You can’t trade the whole tema unless PK wants to seel it, so they need to change the coach. One or two trades will not change the tide at this point.
I Love The Carolina Hurricanes
warts,flaws and all…but foir the wholCam Ward out to dry like that is unexcusable…Several players did play their best and hearts out…but when the TSN guys saw and have said woird for word what many here have said…what should that tell the front office ? Grant you it proves many of us here right…but i know for this fan..that feeling of being right has left a bad taste in my mouth..none of us here want or desire to be “right” but we mere fans can see what one of several things wrong are…and it is confirmed by 3rd party people who could careless personally…it should be a huge wake up call for the front office and the leadership of the team…Staal,Gleason and Sutter do need to talk together as they know many of the players better than the front office does…and if they can’t or won’t lead by example…then they too ought to have the courage to man up and tell the coach they no longer can lead as the team needs to lead..but and again..I don’t think that is the case…but remember friends..I’m just a or one fan…what do I know ?? Maybe..just maybe the game with the sluggs will be better…as the Canes do 7 will turn things around…one way or the other…I love the Carolina Hurricanes warts,faults and all …period..
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
CaniacSteve, I also love the Canes warts, faults and all….period. Leadership starts with the coach. I don’t despise Mo, but he is not leading this team and getting results. The VETERAN leadership amongst the players has either retired, left in free agency or been traded. When Mo fails in his role, then there is no one to rally the team or kind of hold it together. Our team leaders are all young including Staal. They have never experienced what is taking place right now. By not having a couple of veterans to kind of steady things, we have put a tremendous amount of pressure on these inexperienced leaders.
Let’s band together as fans and support these players now. Let’s not throw them all under the rug and be critical. IMO the first step to take is to release Mo and get a fresh leader at the top. Let this person appraise the talent on hand and give the players a fresh start.
Just some thoughts, but my main point is I agree with your thoughts and most of all won’t give up on the players. In particular, I can now see the immense pressure we have placed on Staal. IMO, its up to us fans to rally behind him. He needs our support.
by FoxtrotSierra on Nov 17, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
The last two home games the fans did all they could to encourage and support the team. But there’s no way they’ll stand and cheer efforts like last night. If that wasn’t a demonstrative show of “i just don;t want to play for this coach anymore” I do no know what it was. because there wasn’t even a change in effort after the first intermission. So whatever Mo said or tried after the first didn’t register AT ALL.
So if they can’t even respond after that, there’s no response to this coach left imho…
….there wasn’t even an attempt to salvage some personal or team pride in defeat….
Well I guess there ain’t a pony coming for christmas? Nothing really to say that ain’t been said ad nauseum. Mo has given up, the team has given up and the fans are giving up. How many more games did JR say it ws before he changed his focus?
Pathetic, uinspired don’t care play will cause most GM’s and owners to do something. How long must we endure this non responsive, no action attitude? JR threw out one season, is he really gonna do that again?
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Getting old sucks!
JR is brilliant and we have seen his brilliance play out over the past several years. Thank goodness he is now a part owner so we don’t have to worry about his exit anytime soon.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 17, 2011 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
the best of JR this season was at a season ticket holder’s lunch when he said something like he wasn’t concerned about the slow start, once staal knocks a couple in “away we go”
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 17, 2011 6:25 AM EST up reply actions
i hear wall tatomir had a good game
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 17, 2011 6:24 AM EST reply actions
wally, that is
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 17, 2011 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
The quick fix is to fire Paul Maurice but the person who has to take a lot of the blame is Jim Rutherford for some truly abysmal off-season signings. Ironic that he will be the one doing the firing.
Is it coincidence that the team truly gave up on a game that was not televised by FSC?
I think for most of those players, playing like crap on TSN in MTL is FAR worse than playing like crap in Raleigh on FSC. No doubt in my mind.
How Low Can They Go?
The Canes can’t sink much lower! I can smell the stench all the way to Charlotte!! Don’t get me wrong, the Canes are my NHL team, but they really do suck!! Perhaps it should be noted that one of the best games the Canes played this year was in the pre-season here in Charlotte when they beat Winnipeg 4-0 with a lineup made up mostly of AHL players and three of their 4 goals were scored by players, who at that time were still Checkers! By the way, Rutherford, raiding players from the Checkers won’t turn your season around, either! Although you have some good talent playing here, none of them is ready for a full time role with the Canes. I can only say that any Checkers player called up will play harder than most of the Canes do. Maybe firing Maurice won’t change anything, but the Canes have looked very impressive when they have won. Look at what the coaching change has done in St. Louis. And Eric Staal? Are the Canes seriously going to pay him that big salary all year? He’s either dogging it or he’s washed up. Don’t think so? Look at Jonathan Cheechoo. Led the NHL in scoring in 2006 while also putting 56 goals in the net. That was Staal’s 2nd season, the Cup season, and he WAS a budding star THEN. Cheechoo is now, 5 seasons later, toiling in the AHL with the Peoria Rivermen. C’mon, Rutherford, you can’t justify blind loyalty to a player you’ve given a “franchise player’s” contract to that is THE WORST in the NHL at plus/minus this early in the season. He’s minus 17 already, and on pace to be minus 77 for the season! He’s damn sure not earning that huge salary or bringing anything positive to the team. Time to cut your losses. Thomas Kaberle sucks, too. Why in the world would you sign a player that did next to nothing for Boston last year, who also DIDN’T want him back? There’s a lot that needs to be addressed and fixed, but you’d better hurry before you alienate more fans by putting a crappy product on the ice. You built a strong fan base and one of the loudest and most enthusiastic ones by putting a product on the ice that won and made the playoffs consistently. People aren’t going to pay for things they don’t need in this economy. With the cost of Canes tickets, they certainly aren’t going to pay for a product that sucks. I can’t even get into the RBC Center for what I pay for my seats at the Checkers games and I sit 3 rows from the ice here! My point is, fix this mess before it’s too late.
In defence of
Cheechoo what got him in trouble was he kept hitting like Ruutu and injuries caught up with him and he’d come back too soon too often…thus when when he could mneet expectations..his demotion and subsequent floundering in the AHL…so i don’t think it is or would bew fair to compare Cheechoo to Staal…but we all have the right to our thoughts and words…:-)
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
NEVER will i turn may back on this team
i am GONNA go on and GIVE last nights game a pass. YOU may think last night was a disaster but we need to keep UP beat. i NEVER thought we would have this kind of start to the season but these things are GONNA happen from time to time. LET us not be discouraged. YOU know we always respond when the chips are DOWN. we may be reeling but we are NEVER out of the fight. we are GONNA come back stronger. we can TURN this season AROUND, i know we can. one last thing. i know some of you are ready to give up, AND i dont blame you. don’t DESERT the team just yet. they may surprise YOU.
by wylde4canes on Nov 17, 2011 8:30 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Surprise Me?
Just how are they going to do that? Win a couple of games against better competition once in a while like they have a few times so far? C’mon!! The Canes have the WORST goals against stats in the NHL. They’ve given up 4 or more goals 11 times already this season, which means they SUCK defensively. No matter how good a goaltender may be, he can only do so much when the team in front of him plays “All Star” style defense, meaning virtually non-existant!! Unless action is taken, whether it be a coaching change, personnel moves, or a combination of the two, there won’t be any surprises!
by #1checkersfan on Nov 17, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
there is an important message YOU could benefit from heeding in my post i don’t HAVE time to spell it out for you. it’s BEEN a rough year. but my buddy RICK always told me you have to roll with the punches. i ROLLED with them last night. did you?
rick astley has left the building
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 17, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Ha, that was brilliant wylde!
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Nov 17, 2011 9:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I knew what you were doing as soon as I saw the subject! Well done sir, well done!
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
by Douchebag St John on Nov 17, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
how can you think of music at a time like this...:p
Mi piace l'hockey su ghiaccio.
l'hockey è buono qui .. sì?
Worst Defense
I got to see the game right about the point that the TSN guys said the Canes had the worst defense they’ve seen all year. I think they also made some comment that they’re surprised that Cam doesn’t face 40 shots every night.
So who to blame? Individually our defensemen all seem like capable players (though I’m not to sure about Kaberle). Maurice seems to harp on us being a defensively responsible team, but what does this mean to him. Seems like he wants all 5 players to stay in the defensive zone and block as many shots as possible! They don’t seem to battle for the pucks along the boards or behind the net, they give the opposing team free reign of that area. Meanwhile they don’t threaten to break out quickly allowing the opposing teams D-men to pinch in and keep possesion of the puck.
It’s time for a new coach, new ideas, new motivation.
Where does Dave Lewis play in all of this? I thought he was brought in to improve the defense and other than those first couple of games things don’t look any different than last year. I actually think we look worse than last year. We rae giving up 33 shots per game which not surprisingly ranks as one of the worst in the league. I am disappointed about a lot of things, but I make this point because I really had high expectations for the defense this year.
I mentioned that before—all year last year we were better defensively than we are now. And everyone claimed our defense was an issue. We got better after the trade dealine, to the point where a whole year of the same stats would have had our defense easily comparable to other playoff teams.
This year?? Worse in about every defensive stat. Yet we have seen Timmay look better initially, Allen look better initially, McBain play better after being benched, Pitkanen play better…until the season wore on… The it became apparent the effort was waning. The it became apparent the desire to continue to play the system the coaches wanted changed, or the coaches asked them to play differently, not sure which. either way, they quit on the team and the coaches. We don’t stick to a system. We don’t hit like we did when we started. We don;t show team grit like we did out the gate.
The players looked like they wanted it, even when we were losing. We had some good wins, things were turning around, except for Staal. The we here Mo saying he wants all forwards to play the same. We here Mo say the team is not going to be scoring goals of the rush or off pretty plays or snappy passes. We hear Mo say it will not be fun but we have to play the hard dirt gritty game to score goals. We hear Mo say before each opponent that it’s going to be a grind….
…and the team hasn’t seemed to buy into that and has played exactly the opposite to this…
Seems like they either all got hurt and no one is healthy enough to play like they started, or they got tired of Mo, his system, his lack of creativity, his line shuffling, his ignorance of player’s skills and strengths and just quit.
Logically, I seems like th eonly thing that makes sense to me.
Directly from Wikpedia.
Lewis played 1,000 games in the NHL over 16 seasons. After his playing career ended with the Red Wings in the 1988 season, he stayed with the team as an assistant coach. He helped Detroit win 3 Stanley Cups in the 1997, 1998, and 2002 season playoffs. When Scotty Bowman retired in 2002, Dave Lewis was named head coach of the Red Wings. In two seasons, he guided the Red Wings to two 48-win campaigns, including a Presidents’ Trophy. In the playoffs, however, he had a record of 6–10. After the lockout ended, his contract was allowed to expire on June 30, 2005. He was re-hired by the Red Wings on August 9, 2005, as a scout.
On June 29, 2006, Lewis was named the 27th head coach of the Boston Bruins. His one and only season with the Bruins was not successful, as they finished with a 35–41–6 record, missing the playoffs for the second year in a row, and a last place finish in the Northeast Division. In June 2007, Lewis was fired as coach of the Bruins by General Manager Peter Chiarelli, because of the team’s highly inconsistent play throughout the season.
He subsequently signed on as an assistant coach for the Los Angeles Kings for the 2007–2008 season. On August 4, 2008, it was announced he would not return for the 2008–2009 season.
On November 5, 2010, Lewis, whose grandparents are from Ukraine, was hired as the coach of the Ukrainian national team.
On June 7, 2011, Lewis was hired as the assistant coach of the Carolina Hurricanes.
New Coach suggestion
I’d like to see Rod Brind’mor give it a try. I know, ex-players don’t usually make good coaches, but it would be great to see someone with a little bit of fire behind the bench. Either we’ll excell or go down in flames!
It seems that Rod didn’t want to commit to traveling with the team this year, not to say that couldn’t change in an extreme circumstance/opportunity. I don’t think it’s the “ex player” is an issue (there are tons of them) but rather the fact he has 0 experience in doing so.
At this point, with limited options, I’d be fine with him (or just about anyone) as interim.
I know a lot of people are suggesting Daniels and he might not be a bad choice. BUT, knowing how this organization has worked in the past; I would not be surprised Ron Francis behind the bench the rest of the season and the Canes to look for a new coach in the offseason. I don’t think it would be the best move, but I think it is the most likely.
It's time for change! "If you want to change the culture, you will have to start by changing the organization." - Mary Douglas
what are you basing your assumptions on? when they fired mo the last time they went outside the organiZation immediately
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 17, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
I’m basing my assumption on how the organization does not like to spend money. The way things are going, I feel that PK will look to save as much money as possible due to the team failing again to make the playoffs. That is why I believe Francis (already being paid by the Canes), will be the next coach.
Maybe I’m wrong in this aspect, but when coaching changes normally happen, don’t the head coaches normally bring in “their” guys? When Mo took over for Lavi, all the assistants were from within the organization. Maybe that is just a result of Mo being with this organization for long?
It's time for change! "If you want to change the culture, you will have to start by changing the organization." - Mary Douglas
I don’t see how Daniels isn’t considered “inside the organization” despite not being in Raleigh, he’s as “inside” as you get.
If you are talking about assistant, I think that just depends. Laviolette used Daniels and McCarthy, so he didn’t bring in anyone new.
Daniels is in the organization and is a likely choice. I just don’t THINK the organization will promote him yet. Just a feeling, I could be completely wrong.
It's time for change! "If you want to change the culture, you will have to start by changing the organization." - Mary Douglas
What will happen
Mo will be promoted to Grand Assistant to the GM. Daniels will be called up to be head coach. He will then only be allowed to Coach for 4 minutes a game, after all thats how we use peeps just up from Charlotte, right?
=)
by wylde4canes on Nov 17, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Francis wants to be back there. If they went for an interim coach, I think it would be Lewis. But I think Daniels is the frontrunner.
by Cory Lavalette on Nov 17, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Francis seemed quite pleased to get out from behind the bench and into the front office. He would likely serve though if called. He knows loyalty is all to his bosses.
Brindy would be a shot of adrenaline, and embraced by the fan base. The Gretsky effect in Phoenix makes it look risky.
Daniels knows the kids and has gotten good performances out of them in the AHL. Minor league coaches moving up have been a successful recent trend in the NHL
Lewis is not anywhere on my list. Based on his resume in the last 8 years he should never have been hired. If he is promoted we will know the goal is first pick next draft.
Either way
I hope Mo goes. Now. We can’t afford to languish in his doldrums while also depriving our prospects a chance to see if we can rely on them to contribute going forward.
i would hope JR doesn’t hire anyone new, now, either. We need an interim coach. So I think we let Lewis take over, but tell him it’s interim, no matter what. Or we bring up Daniels and tell him it’s interim, no matter what.
Then we talk to the team.
We tell them we need to acknowledge this isn’t a playoff team, we will rebuild in season. We’ll play the prospects on the top lines for at least ten games with the same or near same lines, and with a mix of our good guys. If they don’t look like they are turning into the players we want. We rotate them to Charlotte and bring up the next trial pairs. We tell the vets to get their games together. If you don’t give a 100% effort, and you don’t look like you’ve earned a spot by seasons end, you’re gone at the trade deadline or over the summer, no matter who you are. i.e. we make decisions as a business, as a hockey org. Not as a good ol’ boys club. We play Cam and Boucher every other game swappint out so Ward is fresh and not ver used since we’re rebuilding. Boucher then earns or doesn’t earn a spot next year. Ward doesn;t have to suffer every game.
Maybe, as a rebuild with guaranteeing prospects this is their time to shine, play learn and earn your spots, they’ll be no other chance, we use JD as interim coach to help the prospects. We truly give them a chance and on the fly development. Sink or Swim.
The, after the season, look at what NHL coaches are available (and not Mo as an option…), look at the work done by the interim. Look at promising AHL coaches, and decide whose system best fit the team of players we commit to. As a hockey decision, a business decision. Not as a loyalty to the org decision.
A Bad Plan Poorly Executed
I gather my view is not universally shared; but I continue to believe the best course is to make some trades and leave Maurice in place the rest of the year. I admit I was shocked that Staal had a temper tantrum last night. Such behavior really calls into question what is happening in the locker room. Here’s my formula for the rest of the season:
1. Trade Kaberle for whatever or whoever you can get;
2. Trade Harrison;
3. Trade LaRose;
4. Trade Ponikarovsky.
I think Kaberle is a disaster. I like Harrison, LaRose, and Ponikarovsky. I think all three are legitimate NHL players. I would trade them to shake things up and these guys are expendable and are also part of the group I see as Moz Boyz – Kaberle, Harrison, Ponikarovsky were brought from Toronto. All three are not fast or superbly quick footed. LaRose is the favorite son of the organization. A trade of LaRose fires a canon shot across the deck without blowing up the team. That’s my unpopular approach.
Good shake-up
I’d trade them all for a bag of pucks (OK, maybe two) and promote some Checkers.
by FuquayCaniac on Nov 17, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Doug, respect your views, but keeping Mo and gettting these types of effort could have alonger term phsycological effects on the team: letting a defeatist culture continue to build, let a cancer continue un-treated. Letting hope die on the vine. Letting confidence the GM wants the team to suceed and win dissolve. Not to mention erosion of the fan base, their belief the GM will do what’s needed to put a competitive product on ice.
Wouldn’t you want your GM to at least act, just to show he cares? That winning and effort are important to the org?? The best way to do that to the whole team is with firing the coach.
Unfortunate but true. Failing for Nail is a recipe for longer term organizational issues we don’t want cropping up.
Kaberle is not playing like a 33 year-old 3 time NHL all-star for sure. He is certainly not playing up to his contract. He was never a gritty hitter, or aggressive shot blocker. Like a lot of players on this team he is a square peg in a round hole. Like every other defenseman here he has not figured out our defensive scheme, if in fact there is one. As a career puck moving defenseman he is a slick passer hitting forwards moving fast into open spaces. On the PP he has been highly effective in good PP schemes. Our offensive schemes, if in fact we have those, are not adapted to his strengths. We are plodding out of our zone, sleep walking on the PP. Kaberle has seen his share of poor play in Toronto, but nothing like this.
Kaberle is not the problem, his play is a symptom of the problem. It took the whole team to give up the most goals in the NHL, 67! That’s 20 more than the Islanders, even 3 more than the pathetic Blue Jackets. Our team has given up 22 more goals than Montreal who is struggling with injuries on their blueline. Our defense was described last night as the worst in the NHL. Kaberle really can’t be much more than 1/7th of the problem,
It took the whole team to give up the most goals in the NHL, 67! That’s 20 more than the Islanders, even 3 more than the pathetic Blue Jackets. Our team has given up 22 more goals than Montreal who is struggling with injuries on their blueline.
This is the thing to me. Are the individual defensive players that bad or is the system we play? I feel it is the system.
It's time for change! "If you want to change the culture, you will have to start by changing the organization." - Mary Douglas
by PackPride17 on Nov 17, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I'm even getting tired of me saying this...
What is in Lewis’ resume that got him the job as our defensive asst coach in the first place?
Harrison, Poni, Boychuk and Larose could potentially be moved, but I think we’re stuck with Kabs. I like your assessment of trading Larose – definitely a wake-up call to the team. I’d like to keep the size-guys Harrison, Poni and Stewart – it was something our team really missed last season.
I’m a 5-year STH and see this season as pretty much tanked. That being said, I would rather watch the young kids get a chance to play and learn the NHL game than watch some of the guys we have now.
Btw, Mo-must-go. May happen before Thanksgiving.
No one seems to have mentioned Tom Barrasso in all this. What exactly does he do standing behind the bench?
I had to smile as the
Canes Fan Confidence poll is just as low as many of our responces here are at this point of the season…we all sound worse than when the canes were down 14 in a row a while back…and you have to admit..we were all feeling pretty flat then huh ? Can things be or get worse ?? On the front office and the hockey gids know for sure…Hang in there gang..better time will surely come after all there is still 60 + games left to get back to .500% ..and cam ward will not win any award this season…but is that the end of our season as fans already ?? Hell No !! We fans have yet begun to fight for Our Canes !! so let’s shake off the mulligrubbs and lets get busy…doing what ?? hell i don’t know..I’ll leave that up to all of you !!
9/11/01 - Never Forget !!
Long Live #63 The Condor
Go Canes & Checkers !!!
C'mon, really?
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 17, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions
I’m shocked that the front office hasn’t announced a press conf yet to announce Mo “stepping down”.
I can’t believe he will still be behind the bench for Buff.
by WStout on Nov 17, 2011 10:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’ve already altered my Staal jersey for Friday & Sunday’s game. I’ve blanked out Staal’s name with blue painters tape and written “Mo Must Go” over the tape.
It's time for change! "If you want to change the culture, you will have to start by changing the organization." - Mary Douglas
by PackPride17 on Nov 17, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Good idea. I’ll do the same.
Maybe even the paper bag over the head bit too.
by WStout on Nov 17, 2011 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Puck Daddy just posted. It’s time for Paul Maurice to exit the Hurricanes
Quotes Brian’s story Monday at length, as well as Chip Alexander’s post from last night and the one from last Monday (the quote I led with in the C&C a couple days ago about change needed and if there’s a long losing stretch he’ll look at coaching changes).
Here’s Chip’s post from last night. Canes facing moment of decision
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Nov 17, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions
I tweeted the Puck Daddy link a few minutes (before I posted here) and it’s already been clicked on 25 times in 12 minutes.
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Nov 17, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I also noticed in TSN’s tweetbox a couple of comments, I think it was Dreger that said something to the effect that Maurice needs to go.
based on some tweets it’s looks like nothing today, I guess we’ll have to wait till next week. WTF’s point of waiting, I don’t get it.
Chip Alexander did just put up the tweets from a conversation w/JR:
Just talked to GM Jim Rutherford, who said there are no coaching changes, or player trades planned for today.
Rutherford said some players likely would be reassigned to Checkers and some recalled. Said Faulk is one of players being discussed.
Rutherford called loss to Habs a “very bad game.” He said, “I have a lot of ideas in my head right now but no conclusions.”
On potential trades, Rutherford said, “There’s not anyone out there right now who’s available. But there might be some who come available.”
Rutherford: “Once we get through the weekend, we should have a better idea of the overall picture, where we’re going.”
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Nov 17, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Laugh or Cry?
Ok. So let’s exchange some Checkers. Let them play 5 minutes. That’ll fix us.
Unbelievable. I give up.
by WStout on Nov 17, 2011 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's like ripping a bandaid off a a hairy leg
you know its going to hurt but just do it already!!
Mi piace l'hockey su ghiaccio.
l'hockey è buono qui .. sì?
Hoping for that two game win streak so he can reset Mo’s clock for another month or two. Just own it and say " We aren’t firing Mo, so stop calling for it ". It takes all of our power to complain away when you own something.
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
by Douchebag St John on Nov 17, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
If JR wants to know where we are going I can draw him a map.
by drifterscape on Nov 17, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Fanpost
My radical solution for the Canes’ problems is too long to post here, so it’s in a FanPost.
Good post. But radical not needed:
1. Fire Mo
2. Play up tempo.
3. Use O Dmen for O.
4. Trap neutral zone.
Bottom line: play like Tampa Bay.
by WStout on Nov 17, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I enjoy following each upcoming hockey draft but I don’t want to think about it in November, but that’s where this season is headed. Unfortunately, there are instances of teams (Columbus comes to mind) not being able to build a good organization through picking early in the draft. My fear is that that is where the Canes are headed. Think Claude Giroux taken by Philly 22nd in 2006, and any number of Red Wings players taken in later rounds or with later picks in the first round. Great teams make the right decisions on and off the ice. I still hold out hope that the Hurricanes will be one of those teams. But right now we are not headed in that direction.
by hockeythoughts on Nov 17, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions
Does Mo have the support of the players
I wonder how much the players on the team actually like playing for Mo. I understand that they won’t say anything to the media and the team has to keep a positive face.
But one indication that I got, was on Rod Brind’mor’s retirement. He thanked everyone in the building, he thanked Laviolette, he thanked the assistant coaches, I think he even thanked the trainers. He never mentioned Mo’s name, the coach he played under for most of his years as a Hurricane. I wonder how Staal and Cam really feel playing for Mo, after starting their careers with a Stanley cup win with a differenct coach.
by CanesFanFromLI on Nov 17, 2011 10:37 AM EST reply actions
GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY!
from icechip:
ice_chip Rutherford: “Once we get through the weekend, we should have a better idea of the overall picture, where we’re going.” 12 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
ice_chip On potential trades, Rutherford said, “There’s not anyone out there right now who’s available. But there might be some who come available.” 14 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
ice_chip Rutherford called loss to Habs a “very bad game.” He said, “I have a lot of ideas in my head right now but no conclusions.” 15 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
ice_chip Rutherford said some players likely would be reassigned to Checkers and some recalled. Said Faulk is one of players being discussed. 16 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
ice_chip Just talked to GM Jim Rutherford, who said there are no coaching changes, or player trades planned for today.
I’m OUTTA HERE!!! HAVE FUN WITH THIS CRAP TEAM!!! I’ll be back when they get real.
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 17, 2011 10:55 AM EST reply actions
I’m with you Stinky!! How long does “Pimp Hand” need to watch this before he moves on it? Sad thing is that it will be easy to rid ourselves of MO but we are stuck with JR and PK and they have more accountability for this mess than MO. They are committed to not losing money and that’s it.
I just don’t believe in this organization or team anymore regardless of what happens.
by Canes Pucknut on Nov 17, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Guy simply won’t admit his buddy is a failure as a coach.
I don’t get it.
by WStout on Nov 17, 2011 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think JR would tip his hand to the media if he were going to make a coaching change. It doesn’t work that way. He’d do it for players -mostly to generate interest form other teams or to get a guy motivated – but never the coach. If there are discussions going on, we won’t know about it until he pulls the trigger and makes the change.
“Once we get through the weekend, we should have a better idea of the overall picture, where we’re going."
You’re going absolutely nowhere Jim, its fairly obvious. I’m sure you’re just waiting for the team to win a game so you can say everything is just fine. I’ve almost checked out on this team until changes are made. Enjoy your half empty arena being filled with more Sabres fans than Canes fans. Oh well, as long as you sell some tickets right?
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Nov 17, 2011 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m sure you’re just waiting for the team to win a game so you can say everything is just fine.
This is 100% what he is doing.
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
by Douchebag St John on Nov 17, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
The decision is made, but the timing is not clear. JR is trying to save as much face possible for Maurice, who very soon will be on the job market. Who on the team is threatened by a return to Charlotte? Trust me the kids can’t wait for the friendly winning atmosphere in the Queen City. At least there they can work on damage control for their NHL futures. Maurice is being given every possible opportunity to find work as a tv analyst which would allow him to resign. Rutherford is discussing minor league jobs with other GM’s trying to pad Mo’s fall. The excruciating wait for the announcement is part of the loyalty JR has for the faithful. He is only helping Maurice pack his parachute
I really hope that you are right on this one......
But I for one will believe it when I see it…..I am starting to believe that the folks who say the only way Mo gets fired is if fans vote with there wallets….sad I know but that is what it looks like to me. Losing games is just not enough for JR….he will have to lose fans before he is willing to face firing his Buddy again!!
Maybe if enough tickest show up for sale on Ticket Exchange…..JR will face the fact that fans have had enough of Mo????
There is going to be a bottom to this team’s performance this season and, to try to put an optimistic spin on last night, maybe that was it. There is still the rest of the season to go – and probably a lot more losses to endure – but lets hope this was the worst its going to get.
Either way, the wife and I will be at every game anyway. We’re going to support them when they suck too.
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