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Who's Out There if Mo Does Go?

It's been a long, tough season for Paul Maurice and his Carolina Hurricanes. Will Maurice still be coaching this team at the end of the season or will he have the honor be being fired twice by the same franchise?


There is no nice way to dance around things nowadays if you are a Carolina Hurricanes fan. The team has disappointed so far. Many people, myself included, were very high on the Hurricanes being a competitive team that would be a major player in the playoff hunt come the end of the season. As things have turned out, we were wrong.

With Wednesday's 4-0 loss to the Montreal Canadiens, the Canes have dropped six of their last seven games and sit four games below .500. Their 15 points are good for 14th in the Eastern Conference and 28th in the NHL. Only the New York Islanders and the Columbus Blue Jackets have worse records than Carolina.

So what's the matter? Where have things gone wrong? Eric Staal can't seem to find his scoring touch, lines (for the most part) seem highly unstable, passes have been atrocious at times, defensive positioning has been suspect and the list continues to go on from there. Up to this point in the season, the effort was there but the breaks were not. Bad bounces and untimely goals doomed the Canes toward the beginning of the season. The Hurricanes seemed to be in every game (even in the lopsided losses they had leads or were tied in the third period) until a recent stretch of ugly games.

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Over the past few games, the Canes have sometimes not seemed to have all of the energy and motivation that paid professionals should have. Normally, a team with such an issue usually doesn't have an issue with individual players. It's not like Jeff Skinner is noticeably indifferent each game, or that Tuomo Ruutu or Eric Staal are skating in quicksand night in and night out. It's the whole team.

If it's not the team, it must be the coaching. It's no secret that many Caniacs are certainly opposed to the current Carolina coach, Paul Maurice. Chants of "Mo Must Go" and various outlets (like our very own CanesCountry blog) are being bombarded with outraged fans who demand to see Maurice be fired. Is that what needs to happen to turn the Hurricanes around? The last two times a coach was fired (Maurice before in December 2003 and Peter Laviolette in December 2008) the team had a noticeable turnaround, so maybe that is the answer.

Of course it's easy for fans to suggest which direction a team needs to go in - especially a coaching change. The question would be though, if Paul Maurice was let go by the team, who else is out there that could fill his shoes? What coach could GM Jim Rutherford go after that would be available, have something different to bring to the team, and even want the job in the first place (a struggling small market team with a very displeased fan base isn't exactly a dream job)?

First of all, I have to mention that there is a lot of talent standing behind the Hurricanes bench. Paul Maurice is lightyears away from being an awful coach, but sometimes things go stale and messages become so repetitive that they lose their effectiveness. Beyond him, Dave Lewis and Tom Barrasso are a reliable assistant duo as well. Lewis had two good years with the Red Wings and a trying season with a developing Bruins team, making him a feasible option to take over head coaching duties. However, he is responsible for the defensive side of the team and fans know that is an area that the Canes have struggled with mightily. Barrasso is more of a goaltending consultant for Cam Ward and Brian Boucher, not sure if he would succeed in a head coaching role. 

All of the Hurricanes player alumni in the front office does give fans a warm and fuzzy feeling, but it almost hurts the team in situations like this. The Ron Francis experiment seemed to fizzle out over the past few seasons as he was moved to Director of Hockey Operations. Rod Brind'amour would certainly be an ominous figurehead behind the bench, but he's such a new coach that his legs are still recovering from his playing days. Glen Wesley seems very Paul Maurice-like in his approach to the game - very soft-spoken and diligent. Jeff Daniels has had some success in Albany and Charlotte and would most likely be a serious candidate for a vacant head coaching job despite not having any NHL head coaching experience.

If Rutherford decided to explore the free agent pool of coaches there would certainly be some candidates out there worth considering. 

Davis Payne was most recently employed by the St. Louis Blues before being fired in early November. He led the Blues to a 67-55-15 record over the course of three years. His squad finished fourth in the tough Central Division each of his first two seasons which did not sit well with ownership. Payne guided an underachieving, overhyped group of players to a mediocre .500 record, missing the playoffs in both of his seasons at the helm (sound familiar anyone). Someone with such a lack of flash and overwhelming success would probably not last very long with a fan base that needs a shot of life.

John Stevens would be an interesting name to consider as it would complete the Flyers-Canes coaching swap. Laviolette replaced Stevens behind the Philadelphia bench in December of 2009 (Does everyone get fired in December - Happy Freaking Holidays!). Stevens achieved two straight 40+ win seasons and a trip to the Eastern Conference Finals with the Flyers before his dismissal. He was fired for leading his team to a 13-11-1 record to start the 2009-10 season. The downside on Stevens would be that he already has a job. He signed a three contract to be an assistant coach with the Los Angeles Kings which would run until June 2013 so the Canes and the Kings would have to work something out in order to get him, something Rutherford (and Peter Karmanos) wouldn't be happy doing.

Someone who would be familiar with the Hurricanes organization would be Bob Hartley. Hartley may be remembered by many fans as the former coach of the Winnipeg... err... Atlanta Thrashers. Hartley guided the Thrash to their only playoff appearance and amassed 136 wins with the young franchise. Hartley's coaching resume extends beyond Atlanta as well. He coached the Colorado Avalanche from 1998-2003. During his four complete years in Denver, Hartley won four Northwest Division titles and had three 40+ win seasons and a 52 win season. He guided the Avs to the Conference Finals every year and won the Stanley Cup in 2001. He was fired after 31 games of the 2002-03 season after putting up just 10 wins. Hartley is actively coaching a team in Zurich, Switzerland. His contract with them runs out March 2013, but snagging him away from a European team might be tricky.

Another coach with a Stanley Cup ring would be Marc Crawford. Crawford has been through a lot during his 15 seasons in the NHL. He transitioned a Quebec Nordiques team to Denver, Colorado and led that team to a Stanley Cup title in their first year. He transformed the Vancouver Canucks from Northwest Division doormats to perennial Stanley Cup contenders in his seven seasons there. He's also experienced the lows of coaching a rebuilding team in the LA Kings and the Dallas Stars at the end of his career. Crawford was behind the bench for the Stars loss in the last game of the season that caused them to miss the playoffs (again, sound familiar?). He was fired two days after the end of their season after guiding the Stars to a 42-29-11 season. Crawford is currently unemployed which would immediately make him the most enticing option.

Some "longshot" candidates would be people like John Anderson, who coached the Thrashers for two unproductive seasons, former coach-turned broadcaster Ed Olczyk, or current Brandon Wheat Kings/former Senators coach Cory Clouston. There are also some good hockey minds out there that would make for interesting coaches. Commentators Barry Melrose, Ray Ferraro or Mike Milbury have hockey sense and could probably run a team. That being said, would any of these coaches be a good fit for a team that needs to turn a season around?

"Mo Must Go" seems to be the ringing theme around the RBC Center, but is there really someone else that would be a better choice? Is there really another quality coach that the Hurricanes could realistically talk to and hire that would take the job?

Here are some of their lifetime records, according to Hockey Reference.com.

 

Games Wins Losses T OL %
Paul Maurice 1078 458 454 99 67 0.502
Marc Crawford 1151 549 421 103 78 0.556
Bob Hartley 650 329 226 61 34 0.579
John Stevens 263 120 109 0 34 0.521

 

Only time will tell.  Who would you like to see?

Poll
Who would you like to see as next coach of the Hurricanes?
Keep Paul Maurice
45 votes
Marc Crawford
103 votes
Bob Hartley
48 votes
John Stevens
26 votes
Dave Lewis
23 votes
Jeff Daniels
246 votes
someone else
64 votes

555 votes | Poll has closed

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Thanks for this post Lee. Great research and insight.

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by SouthernHockeyFan on Nov 18, 2011 7:40 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t want any part of Hartley.

by efrancis on Nov 18, 2011 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

I do not like Hartley either. He had the ATL playing a dirty style of hockey.

by drifterscape on Nov 18, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

No one has voted for Paul Maurice? Maybe his wife hasn’t seen this yet??

by rmmeli on Nov 18, 2011 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

Really? Those are our choices? How about shelving the issue? We aren’t going to win 60+% of our remaining games and make the playoffs. How would we judge a new coach? He came in and coached a great spoiler team? I’m sure we’ll have more choices at the end of the season. And, hopefully, our roster will look vastly different as well. How about JR himself for now? He put the roster together, let him live with it. I’ll vote for Paul just because a vote for Mo ices the issue for now.

by coastalcaniac on Nov 18, 2011 8:25 AM EST reply actions  

I'll volunteer to step behind the bench

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

I think that’s a great idea. Would almost guarantee us the 1st pick in this yea’s draft.

by sittler27 on Nov 18, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

see? already i'm bringing benefits

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

ahhh stinky you are soo bad

and humble too !!! LOL

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Go Canes & Checkers !!!

by CaniacSteve on Nov 18, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Editorial note

Paul Maurice was fired by the Hurricanes in December of 2003 (not 04). :)

by NoVa Caniac on Nov 18, 2011 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

noted and fixed – thanks!

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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 18, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Cory mentioned a very interesting one last night. One with ties to our franchise. Bob “the boogey man” Boughner. His star is on the rise in the coaching world. It is only a matter of time before he ends up behind an NHL bench, imo.

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

While we as fans

are uber ticked off at the current management situation and the playing or lack of playing Our team is NOT doing…but Lee does have a good point…we as "fans’ have no vested intrest in the same capacity as a coach,gm or owner has …will we fans see something done ..and soon?? yes this fan thinks so..should you bet the mortage on that…NO..don’t even go there…myt suggstion is for those who have tickets..go and enjoy yourselves as much as you can..after all that is The Only way we can & have at this moment …but then again going to a NHL stle circus is not all that much fun..if the team is working hard trying to be #30…out of 30…after all who wants to be last & a laughing stock of the NHL ?
But i am just a fan…what do i really know ? have a good day and enjoy the sunshine

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by CaniacSteve on Nov 18, 2011 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

We had a reply to this on twitter I’ll toss out there:

Ian Esplen [profile: i live in calgary and am a huge canucks fan, love talking hockey and the draft]

@CanesCountry Michel Therrien would be my top choice for a coach if I was looking now. I prefer to look at year end, more to pick from

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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 18, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

Don Hay/Guy Charron wouldn’t be bad choices if the team wanted to go another direction.

by Go_Shelf on Nov 18, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a Therrien fan. Other than those mentioned by Lee, I’d throw out Scott Gordon and, as Wylde mentioned above, Bob Boughner. But Daniels, IMO, is the frontrunner.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a fan of Scott Gordon, Boughner would be interesting.

by Go_Shelf on Nov 18, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Mainly, I don’t like his background. I’d rather have a guy like Bougner who I think players can relate to because of his NHL experience. I think it’s a litte easier to follow a guy when you know they’ve been there.

by Go_Shelf on Nov 18, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

ditto on Therrien. Daniels has to be the front runner, but I wonder if it isn’t time to go outisde the family. I hate that we waited til this year. I would have loved to have brought Dineen back to the family!!!!!!

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

The future is now

Yes the Coach should go- for ALL the reasons documented on this site.

This season is not over – yes they are several games below .500, but a turn around is not out of the question. Look at NJ last year .

I would like to see management hire a younger Coach with a winning AHL record – possibly Jeff Daniels but others should be considered. Pittsburgh and Tampa have had success with this approach.

by JohnSS on Nov 18, 2011 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure the Devils are a good example They finished 11th with 81 points in 2010-2011. Currently in 11th again.

by surgalt on Nov 18, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Michel Therrien would be an interesting choice. Here is an admittedly wild idea. Swap Mo and Daniels. Then Mo has no choice but to play the young guys !! I am critical of Mo’s coaching at this point, but I also think he is still a very smart guy, maybe just too stubborn. I think his style of coaching is not working, and JR needs to consider a change, but I don’t think he deserves to be run outta town on a rail. He’s not evil and doesn’t deserve to be disrespected.

by Hockeydog on Nov 18, 2011 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

keep mo away from our talented prospects, for the love of GOD….

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

well I am looking for a way for JR to keep costs down and not have to totally fire Mo. I think Coach Daniels has done a tremendous job with the young Checkers. Not my first choice, just looking for something JR might feel good about doing.

by Hockeydog on Nov 18, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Maurice can’t just be “assigned to the Checkers”. He has an NHL Coach contract and if they choose to replace him, he doesn’t (and shouldn’t) have to go anywhere.

by efrancis on Nov 18, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, they could offer to keep him on staff and just pay him through the end of his contract. Hitchcock was serving as an adviser for Columbus before the Blue Jackets gave St. Louis permission to talk to him about their head job.

So while Mo wouldn’t have to go to Charlotte, he could agree to go. And I don’t think that’s inconceivable, tho unlikely.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, Mo did a heck of a job with the Marlies. It’s how he got the Leafs job. Maybe taking all the " vets " away, brings out the best in him?

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Nov 18, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

He’d be a different coach in a different situation. Some people just want to dis him because he’s not the right fit for this team.

by Hockeydog on Nov 18, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly don't know what the front office is waiting for.

Do they honestly think, after what they’ve seen thus far, that Maurice is going to turn this around? I don’t think so.

So assuming that the team is going to end up with a losing record under Maurice at the end of the season, would they keep him around then? I don’t think so.

So what’s the purpose of letting him coach even one more game? There is nothing but upside at this point in bringing in another coach. It’s not like we can get much worse. At best a new face behind the helm inspires the team to play better and perhaps can sure up the defense with a better scheme. At worst, a new coach brings no change and we continue to play like we have been under Mo.

Here is the solution: Fire Maurice ASAP. Promote Jeff Daniels to interim head coach. At the end of the season, evaluate Daniels’ performance with team. If the front office feels he can turn the team into a winner, then keep him on. If not, look for other options in the offseason when there will be more options to choose from. It is a simple, yet sound solution.

by pancanbra on Nov 18, 2011 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

i had joked about it, but i’m seeing other people hypothesizing that the team is holding everything close to its vest because they’re thinking about moving. saw a comment on N&O about it, on a couple of other boards. personally, i don’t think it’s a reality, BUT when you see the team make absolutely no effort to engage the fans through player acquisition or holding coaches responsible for continuing poor play, the mind wanders.

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I just wonder if there isn’t something going on behind the scenes that is being kept under wraps. Obviously the front office won’t come out and say they are looking for a new coach, negotiating with someone, or working on a big trade. Plus, the fact we are selling doesn’t mean people are buying. I do, however, think something is in the works and we may “see where we’re heading” after this weekend. I honestly believe a trade is imminent, and a coaching change as well.

This is what I keep telling myself to keep from completely losing faith.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Nov 18, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course there are things going on behind the scenes….there probably ALWAYS is, but certainly they aren’t ignoring this situation.

JR said that when he considered hiring Laviolette he called him (and PL thought it was a joke or prank) and asked him to watch their next games and then they’d talk more. It was the result of that process (and continued failures of the team/staff) that he became the next coach.

by efrancis on Nov 18, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I think what you’ll see is one move at a time out of the front office. They may make a trade or trades, but they will then see how those pan out before making the coaching change. Or the opposite will happen, they will make a coaching change and then look to the trade market after the new blood comes in. Not only sound in statistics but also in real life….you only change one variable at a time to measure the success of your change.

by NotOpie on Nov 18, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh? You saw a comment in the N&O…like quoted in an article or a ‘fan’ comment to an article or Canes Now blog post?

It make absolutely NO sense that the team is thinking of relocating. They just brought on NC investors. They can’t move to CLT (the arena is NOT NHL standards) and why would they?

They aren’t saying anything because there is nothing more to say yet. JR has already acknowledged that he’s trying to make a player move…he said yesterday he’s looking at all options. What else does he need to do? Fans already know where their record stands.

What are they holding close to the vest?

by efrancis on Nov 18, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

fan comment

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah it makes no sense to bring in 9 out of 10 traingle based investors when you are going to pack up your bags and move to Quebec or Hamilton. Charlotte doesn’t make sense either. Not at this point, anyway. There is always more going on behind the curtain than we can ever know. Don’t view apparent inaction as apathy or no action at all.

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

don't view inaction as no action at all -- WHAT?!?!

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

You cannot force a person to take a job and you can’t force a team to accept a trade.

by efrancis on Nov 18, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

nice paraphrasing, I said apparent inaction. Meaning just cause you can’t see the movement, doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I am going to assume you misread or misunderstand and that you weren’t actively trying to troll me. Because if you were, so help me……..YAWN, I could care less.

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t view apparent inaction as apathy or no action at all.

Efrancis summed up what you meant there very well. I’ll give Stink the benefit of the doubt and say he misread.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Nov 18, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh. maybe so. Like I said, could care less. This is a passion of mine, but I got two healthy kids, a killer wife and a relatively stable job in a weak economy. I can’t be bothered too much by a bum hockey team and a blog commenter who likes to play provocateur.

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

point i was trying to make is that i am prone to judging people by the actions they take otherwise it’s all guessing.

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think that's the case.

I honestly feel that ownership is committed to the Raleigh/Triad area. They have no intentions of moving. But they are also committed to being a small market team. That’s just something fans are going to have to live with. There won’t be big free agent splashes and this team will have to improve via the draft and development whilst trying to find low budget players with high upside via trades. As we’ve seen before, the front office will only get aggressive when they feel they have a Cup contender of a team.

As for holding off on firing Mo, I assume it’s just a case of Mo being Karmanos’ ‘guy’ so to speak. I guess they want to try and give him every chance and benefit of the doubt they can, because once they let him go, I doubt we’ll ever see him in Carolina in that position again. “Fool me once….etc.” As for me though, I think the time for holding out hope in Mo is over.

by pancanbra on Nov 18, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Team is moving and that is why several intelleginet and well healed local investors just bought shares. Do you hear yourself when you speak?

by sittler27 on Nov 18, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

"personally, i don’t think it’s a reality"

do you read before you speak?

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Then why even throw it out there. You know full well what you are doing when you make posts like that.

by sittler27 on Nov 18, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

many thanks for telling me what i know i am doing, i appreciate the insight

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Good to know that those that troll know what they are doing. We can do this all day. You and I know that even on a good day we usually end up agreeing to disagree.
On the Canes moving…. dumb comment. On Mo needing to be replaced and quickly, professionally and without this emerging circus…. I’m in full agreement.

by sittler27 on Nov 18, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Stinky, you really love striking the match and watching things burn; don’t you?

The team isn’t moving in the near future! If so, they weren’t very smart extending the RBC lease through 2024. For as “financial tight” as PK is, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to pay for a building he wouldn’t be using.

It's time for change! "If you want to change the culture, you will have to start by changing the organization." - Mary Douglas

by PackPride17 on Nov 18, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Could not say better. Exactly what needs to be doen

All above is my personal opinion.
Thanks,
Andy_S

by Andy_S on Nov 18, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Daniels not the answer

So should JR just stroll down to “Coaches ’R Us” (which by the way is just across the street from “Big Fast Power Forwardmart”, and a couple of blocks from “The Cheap Shutdown Defenceman Store”) and pick one off the shelf? Rest assured, Mo is gone, but JR is not going to tell the fan base that just because that’s what they want to hear. He do his due dilegence and research the options before just firing him to keep people from chanting.

by 210beer on Nov 18, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

I agree and previously said we can’t make a long term decision now on the future coach. At the same time I think it’s imperative to get rid of Mo, and start a team recovery/rebuild now. Stop the pervasive culture of losing and apathy from setting in. Shock the players into performing. And play the prospects so they can develop or we can cut bait.

So as I’ve said elsewhere, we need an intereim coach, and we need one now. So ditch Mo, bring up Daniels only because he can work with the kids, rebuild their confidence and personal belief in themselves. Let JD give them playing time.

Search and research a coach over the rest of the year and stop focusing on team win loss and focus instead on team players and whom to keep and who to cut.

by Squeaky83 on Nov 18, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Daniels with Brindy as an assistant. I have nothing against Lewis, but if we are gonna make a change, let’s get a new assistant too. Daniels has the connection with the young guys, and some of the veterans players as well from being an assistant under Lavi. Rod has the respect of everyone and could bring back that leadership that seems to be missing.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Nov 18, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

Brind’Amour is obligated this year to the kids team he coaches. Not going to happen, IMO.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

There is more to coaching than just walking behind the bench with a resume that says you were a great player and leader. If that were the case then Gretzky would have made a great coach. I spoke a long time ago to Jean Bealiveau who was arguably the Canadien’s best leader and captain ever. He gave me an hour on why he would not make a good coach.

Rod is not ready. He doesn’t want the job of having to travel with the team at the moment. And when we have talked about it you can tell how really uneasy he is about moving into coaching and recognizes he has lots to learn.

It is painful to see this death watch for Mo. From PK’s tight wallet, to JR’s questionable offseason moves to Paul’s stubbornness ( even still today) in keeping LaRose with Staal when he has other options….. this is like watching a train wreck in slow motion and with more than one person responsible for the carnage.

JD is in my mind ready to be head coach and has paid his dues. Keep Rod in the press box and give the existing assistants a chance to see what they can do under Jeff.

by sittler27 on Nov 18, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree with the sentiment on Gretzky. To be fair, he grew into the job, but even he admitted it was tough to him to coach b/c there simply isn’t anyone out there who could live up to the standards he has. Not that he didn’t think his guys tried, but he sees the game on a diff. level from perhaps anyone ever.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

most of you all know I am a musician, so I tend to relate stuff back to music. Coach Gretz is like most really good musicians being poor teachers. My best musical studies have all come under guys who were ok to good players. The guys who have been awesome, have always been sucky teachers. They do good with the top level talent, but struggle with the more average talent. A good coach or teacher has to understand the struggle of his middle and lower tier talent to get them going. A guy like a Gretzky can’t understand that struggle as easily.

Just my interpretation.

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

A guy like a Gretzky can’t understand that struggle as easily.

exactly

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

a number of the core players in Phoenix right now are guys that Gretz helped get there, so I don’t think he was completely unsuccessful.

by Go_Shelf on Nov 18, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

No argument that there are positives. But the fact remains that in 4 seasons of coaching he had a losing record every year and missed the playoffs. My point remains that even you are a great player on the ice it doesn’t automatically translate that you make a good coach. There was no way a guy of Gretzky’s stature would ever have gone this route, but you wonder if he paid his dues and gone behind the bench as an assistant and/or coached in the minors if he would have had longer term success.
For potential coaching success, I much prefer the path JD has taken both as a player and coach.

by sittler27 on Nov 18, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed, I just wonder if he took another crack at it would he get the same result.

by Go_Shelf on Nov 18, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that’s fair.
This is just my opinion but I have always thought that guys like JD who were fringe players had to study and understand the game that much more just to stick at the big league level. And they had to bring an enormous work ethic every night and every shift and as such earned the respect of their teammates and set an example for the younger players.
All of that translates well into coaching.

by sittler27 on Nov 18, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Daniels

As I recall JD was a marginal player who made himself useful enough to play 4th line and PK because he worked very hard and intelligently at it. Didn’t they call him “The Veteran?” I should think a man with that background has a leg up in being a successful coach. He’s certainly a good example for the guys in Charlotte.

by LewPuls1 on Nov 18, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

There is no doubt Coach D has done a simply terrific job with the AHL teams. Also no doubt he’ll coach the Canes, just a matter of when. Maybe the delay is filling his spot in Charlotte rather than who might coach the Canes?

by Hockeydog on Nov 18, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

now that’s an encouraging thought

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that is a very real possibility as well. Ultimately I would love to think that JD is the guy for our Job and maybe they are trying to get Boughner for Charlotte……

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Boughner wouldn’t leave Windsor for Charlotte. He wants to be an NHL coach. Kinnear would be a good choice in Charlotte, IMO.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Boughner is involved in ownership of the Spitfires. He has already left one NHL asst coach position to go back to Windsor. I think you are bang on that unless there is a dream job out there for him, no way he leaves Windsor.

by sittler27 on Nov 18, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

and this fan

agrees 10,000 %

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by CaniacSteve on Nov 18, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand that great players don’t necessarily make good coaches. We see that played out in every sport. My thinking with Brindy is his unquestionable leadership ability. It’s often mentioned that his ability to take over the locker room is sorely missed on this team. I think they could benefit from having that voice again. However, there is not much we can do if he is neither ready nor interested.

In response to Cory’s comment above, I had completely forgot about the kids team.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Nov 18, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

His voice as a coach HAS to be different than the one he had in the locker room as a player. That right there is part of the problem – a coach can’t be like he was as a player – his role is completely different. I buy that maybe he could be somewhat of the piece that is missing in leadership of this team – but not in the locker room.

by caniacmum on Nov 18, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd leave Lewis and his system in place

Lewis’s system is predicated on forwards actively coming back and covering their “zones” (if I understand it correctly). It was once explained to me as something akin to the “match up” zone defense in basketball where you man up if the opponent is in your zone but you play more of an “area” and are aggressive with gap/lanes.

There were times when this was working well for us this year. It seems to have fallen apart, but my read is that has more to do with the forwards missing or forgetting the system. This, quite frankly, could be directly related to the constant line shuffling where players get used to the tendencies of their linemates and know how far they can “cheat” along with who and where they will receive help from. As our team “mojo” has gone down, the verve for defensive play and associated responsibilities seems to have dwindled too.

Seems to me that if you bring in a new head coach they are going to be somewhat stuck with the staff for a defined period of time. Maybe, part of that move needs to be the coach kicking some a$$ and forcing the players to accept their responsibilities defensively. Just my observation….

by NotOpie on Nov 18, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember way back in October how unorganized the D looked While Lewis was away. Once he returned they were a completely different looking team all around. My question is , which I’m sure is on just about everyone’s list, what happened to that? I’m not saying it’s Lewis’ fault, and I’m not calling for his head either. This could be a situation where his defensive schemes don’t mesh well with Mo’s offensive schemes. It might be different when a new coach comes in. I just feel that it’s gonna take some drastic changes to turn this season around.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Nov 18, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

This could be a situation where his defensive schemes don’t mesh well with Mo’s offensive schemes.

Mo has offensive schemes? I think you might be mistaken there. :)

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by PackPride17 on Nov 18, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

This could be a situation where his defensive schemes don’t mesh well with Mo’s offensive schemes (or lack thereof).

Better?

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Nov 18, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Also worth noting that the team is w/o Pitkanen right now and had an injured Pitkanen before that. Joni was off to a great start.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

The only easy day was yesterday.

by CoastalCane on Nov 18, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Also worth noting that the team is w/o Pitkanen right now and had an injured Pitkanen before that. Joni was off to a great start.

I’m sure that is going to be part of JR’s justification for keeping Mo employed through this disaster.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Nov 18, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Lee, thanks for such a great article. Well-written and very fair, which is a welcome departure from the histrionics I’ve been reading elsewhere. Thank you :)

by Jamie Kellner on Nov 18, 2011 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

It is time for Jeff Daniels to be given a try to see if he is capable just like it is time to see if the young Canes players can be NHL players.

by rmmeli on Nov 18, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

Search your feelings, Luke

article by luke decock today:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/11/18/1652321/fans-file-mo-tion-to-dismiss.html

Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."

by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 18, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

I loved the Mo quote he pulled out from when Maurice was in TO regarding this area not being motivating enough. Luke’s feelings are quite clear on the coaching issues!

by Hockeydog on Nov 18, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Oddly enough he’s criticizing himself and the rest of the media for not being the crushing force that Toronto’s hockey media is. The players aren’t motivated by the fear of bad press or media criticism.

by 210beer on Nov 18, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m glad that Decock isn’t afraid to write his opinion. While he may sound harsh or unprofessional, everything he says is completely true.

by hurricane9 on Nov 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But he makes Cheery McSunshine frown and that’s just mean.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Nov 18, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If anything is being done right now behind the scenes to acquire a new coach, then that implies it is an outsider who must be wooed and become familiar with the team.

As for assistants, unless someone here—Ryan Sittler?—personally knows the dynamics of the coaching staff relationships and is willing to talk about it, we have no idea whether Dave Lewis is toeing a line set by Mo but disagrees with him, or if Dave Lewis is “part of the problem”. And we can say that about any other assistant, of course, but because DL is a former head coach he’s the obvious interim solution.

I, too, would hate to see Mo coaching prospects in Charlotte. Though I could be wronging him, does anyone know how he coached the Marlies in Toronto?

by LewPuls1 on Nov 18, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

He did well enough

Back then even the Toronto fans wanted to give Mo a shot because he seemed to be doing well for the Marlies. Didn’t look it up, butit was why I hoped he’d be better with prospects than he turned out…

by Squeaky83 on Nov 18, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Mo's STAYS!

Mark my words. Mo’s not going anywhere.

What’s with this dream everyone has that it’s Mo’s problem?

by Reward on Nov 18, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

aww gee there you went and messed up

my day by “talkin dirty”…:-) but thiss fan feels to could 9 and i hope it wouldn’t0 be the death nell of the fan base…and no team no matter how deep it’s pockets can stand that…

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by CaniacSteve on Nov 18, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

either jd or new blood

dont reallly want any recycled coach(unless scotty comes out of retirement). mo needs to be unceremoniously run out of town and banished for the havoc his “coaching” has caused to the org, not once but twice.

by brass bonanza on Nov 18, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Jeez, have a little respect for the man. Even if he’s not the right coach for this job, he is a smart guy, and knows more about hockey than any 10 of us put together. If you are going to “unceremoniously run” Mo out of town, then run the two men who hired him twice out of two too. Mo was offered a job and he took it. I am fully confident he is doing the best that he can, and not trying to sabotage the team. He’s a human being and from all accounts a fine man, so show a little respect.

by Hockeydog on Nov 18, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Gonna have to agree with the Dog on this one. While, I dont want him behind the bench I would LOVE to have him in the booth with John. The dude is smart, witty, and by all accounts a fine human being.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Nov 18, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

why?

respect for somebody is earned not given. much like with the current potus, i do respect the position but not necessarily the person in it. perhaps he is a swell guy to be around, i dont know him personally so i cant say. all i know of him is what i have seen of his work which has not impressed. i will give you credit about jr and pk, im not particularly happy with them either, but that situation is unlikely to change.

by brass bonanza on Nov 18, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Great, thanks for letting us all know your political views. How about you religious views too ?

by drifterscape on Nov 18, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

im sorry

if my com[parison offended you. you can substitute potus with mosquitos, speed limits or taxes. things you dont like but need

by brass bonanza on Nov 18, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not offended. This is a place for hockey. We get into enough arguments here as it is without political references.

by drifterscape on Nov 18, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he’s earned respect. He’s a good-natured, honest guy. Just b/c he is struggling at his job doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be respected. I’ve had plenty of co-workers I’ve found to be good people who, simply, can’t do their job. Furthermore, he’s been a stand-up guy about it, IMO … he’s said that it’s on him.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully no one is trying to disrespect him as a person...

As an NHL Coach he simply has not earned much respect…if not for his VERY Close Friendship with JR and PK he would not be a Head Coach on an NHL Team. Honestly on the first time around he would have been fired much sooner by any un-biased GM/Owner who only looked at the on Ice results.

I think the pasion for his release comes from fans who Clearly understand that he only has the the job due to Friendship not on ICE RESULTS. If he was in a Front office job where the teams performance was not so closely tied to him, the nepotism would not be a problem.

by Caniac324 on Nov 19, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No eye in the Hurricanes

ok, I think that Mo is staying…too much loyalty there with the GM. That being said, the team has no “eye” to its Hurricane…forgive the pun. But honestly, I find it interesing that on todays NHL page, two of old, loved canes are featured as the glue on their teams. So yes, some, if not most of the blame has to fall to the Coaching staff for lack of…motivating…coaching and making sure the team is ready to play. But also, there seems to be a lack of men amongst the boys to keep their fellow mates focused…and that’s just after they give up the leading goal….nothing to say after two, or God forbid, three. Just my two cents. Unless the foundation strengthens, this house will continue to shake. For me though…Mo goes, and Karmanos learns to write bigger checks, Like it or not, they built this team planning to keep Cole, that being not the case now, they need to bring in talent that knows how to drive over being down…..and that again starts at the top.
Then again, tonight may be a bellwether for Mo. Wild guess…Buffalo 4 canes 1.

by HurricaneTom on Nov 18, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Jeff Carter

According to a few sources jeff carter has requested a trade. I certainly feel he would be the offensively player we have been looking for if we place staal at wing

by bready86 on Nov 18, 2011 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

no, great contract. For what he does, he’s is underpaid. But all the Carter talk is just rumors at this point. No truth in it (yet)

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I just presume that JR isn’t going to take on a contract that extends another 10 years. Perhaps that’s an incorrect presumption.

by efrancis on Nov 18, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they’re not getting Jeff Carter … I’m just saying that that’s not considered a bad contract.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering what they gave up to get him, its unlikely we could come close to offering them enough to get him here.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Nov 18, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Please do not recycle former NHL coaches

Most of those mentioned in the article have had a few good season but overall I would not call them successful. Lets not hire them just because they have once upon a time coached in this league. Lets not get a mediocre coach with experience, but lets get somebody like Boucher in TB, Bylsma in Pitts or Budreau in Washingtion, i.e. someone who has shown excellence even though he may not have the experience.

by MHodak on Nov 18, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

The examples you gave are interesting. Talent laden rosters that underperform. Are we really that? I don’t know. Would it take someone with NHL experience to work in our situation? I don’t have the answers, nor am I disagreeing with you. Just wondering aloud.

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I don’t think Boudreau has done a good job at all. But that’s me.

by Cory Lavalette on Nov 18, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I agree. If judging Boudreau was like scoring in golf I’d say he was even par at best.

by Hockeydog on Nov 18, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure how Boudreau still has his job.

by hurricane9 on Nov 18, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

jeff daniels HC- Scotty Walker asst. coach,

Mi piace l'hockey su ghiaccio.
l'hockey è buono qui .. sì?

by zippy8 on Nov 18, 2011 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

Are we surprised?

I’m not. This should have been addressed during the summer. I’m firmly in the Mo Must Go camp, but JR should have gone into the season with a Plan B if Mo was on shaky ground.

by super-dave on Nov 18, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

I thought Dave Lewis was plan B, initially. But the lack of movement to this point makes me think I was wrong. Or that they have rethought plan b and are now looking for C!

by wylde4canes on Nov 18, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Lewis was a red herring to make the fans think he had done that. JR did not anticipate this season being an unmitigated disaster, he thought it would be another scrape close to the playoffs year. Year ends, contract extension for he and PK’s child and it can still look like he was ready to fire said child if things had gotten bad. Well, they’ve gotten worse than bad and now his bluff has been called by the national and local media. He is simply not going to fire Mo again.

I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.

by Douchebag St John on Nov 18, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It certainly looks like hiring Lewis was window dressing. It also looks like friendship is more important than putting a competitive product on the ice.

by super-dave on Nov 18, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Friendship seems to be MUCH more important than winning to JR....

I guess we should have known that when he re-hired Mo…wish and hopes aside he did have quite a resume and none of it really pointed to him being a perinial winner

by Caniac324 on Nov 19, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s how I see it, and I’ve said it multiple times all ready:

1) Maurice is fired
2) Jeff Daniels is given the coaching job, Maurice is moved to the front office so he can spend more time with JR
3) Jeff Daniels finishes out the season
4a) If Jeff Daniels performed well/shows promise, he gets to keep the job
4b) If Jeff Daniels did not perform well/shows little promise, the Canes will look outside the organization.

by hurricane9 on Nov 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

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