Senators Hold Off Hurricanes, 4-3
by Bob Wage on Nov 27, 2011 9:45 PM EST
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PrintTwo of the worst defenses in the NHL met on Sunday night and the home team came out on top as the Ottawa Senators jumped out to a lead against the Carolina Hurricanes and held on to win, 4-3. The Canes have now lost three games in a row and 10 of their last 13 contests.
Jason Spezza broke out of his scoring slump in a big way and scored two goals in this game, while Eric Staal notched an even strength goal, a rarity this season for him.
Ottawa jumped ahead 1-0 just 55 seconds into the opening period, when Spezza split the Carolina defense and went right down the middle of the ice for an easy score. Chad LaRose and Tim Gleason both seemed slow to react to the play.
But Patrick Dwyer tied things up on a nice shot at an angle while on a rush at 15:03. Spezza would score again in the period though, making the score 2-1 with a powerplay tally.
After what looked like would be a scoreless second period, Ottawa would notch another with just 14 clicks left in the second, making the score 3-1. But Carolina did not give up on the game and Staal made it 3-2 at 6:32 into the third with a nice put back of a Joni Pitkanen rebound.
Ottawa would score again later in the period to make it 4-2, but once again, the Canes did not quit. Alexei Ponikarovsky scored a powerplay tally, the first on eight tries for the team, to keep hope alive.
But the Hurricanes could not get the goal they needed to tie things up near the end of regulation and had to settle for another loss.
Carolina will start a three game homestand against Florida on Tuesday night.
Game Notes:
- Tomas Kaberle was healthy scratched in this one. Credit should be given because it is easier said than done to scratch one of the highest paid players on the team. We will see if the move motivates him.
- Ottawa and Winnipeg are two teams not chosen by many to make the playoffs this season. To lose to them in consecutive games is not a good sign for Carolina.
- After a lackluster performance on Friday night, the team did put many more shots on goal than their opposition in this one. The Canes had 37 shots to just 25 for the Sens and according to our intern, out-chanced the team 19-13.
- The Canes had plenty of opportunities on the powerplay, but ended up going 1-8. That success ratio is pretty much right on their second to last in the league, 12% average.
- Brandon Sutter and Staal did well in the faceoff circle, but the team finished at 45%. (Staal 58%, Sutter 63%, Jokinen 22%, Brent 22%)
- Derek Joslin dropped the gloves with Colin Greening and fought well. According to Hockey Fights.com, it was the first fight in nine games for the Hurricanes and only the second in 19 games. The team has five fighting majors for the season, the second fewest in the league.
- The team was credited with 14 hits, led by Patrick Dwyer and Tuomo Ruutu with three each.
- Joni Pitkanen returned for his first game after missing eight. He had one assist but finished at -1, to go with his team high 27:16 of ice time. Jamie McBain was next with 24:12. Gleason had 17:40, but Bryan Allen only had 12:32 of ice time.
- Brett Sutter seemed to be having a good game and earned an assist early, but saw only 6:29 of ice time. Anthony Stewart was next lowest with 6:50.
- Check out post game interviews and more info at Canes PR.com
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It was another ugly game by the Hurricanes. Ruutu and Skinner tried to take the game onto their shoulders. I look as this year as one for the core team to learn how to win without Staal; and as a great opportunity to rebuild the team via the draft. It was the right decision to healthy scratch Kaberle.
I was not thrilled to hear about “defense first.” It seems like a great way for the Hurricanes to lose about 70% of the time. With the power play 1 fo 8, the Hurricanes continue to flounder badly. Stewart and Ponikarovsky both played very hard and are making their presence felt. Dwyer has incredible speed and did a fine job of finishing.
All in all, it was another game of mismanaged forward lines, a power play that fires blanks, a couple of defensive breakdowns, including the obligatory Staal being late to the party on defense, and some ill-timed penalties. It’s going to be another season of early golfing and trying to find a team to cheer for in the playoffs.
I hope Dalpe and Boychuk both get called up. Maybe the Hurricanes can salvage this season by at least giving the kids key roles and by playing Stewart in the top nine. This team needs some plastic surgery.
Amen. That’s to respond to Abrams and Paladin and also as a final epitaph hopefully for Mo’s departure.
by FoxtrotSierra on Nov 28, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
The Necessary Surgery
1. Gleason (love to get 1st round pick; but even 2nd round pick and prospect)
2. Kaberle (or waive and send to AHL if necessary)
3. LaRose (3rd or 4th round pick or prospect)
That approach opens two roster spots for defense and one for offense. The basic team is fine. The team is playing very poorly; but with the exception of a scoring wing on the first line, and a rough and tough elite defenseman, the overall team is fine.
Add Yakupov or Grigorenko to this team, and things look up. Ponikarovsky is starting to be a bull around the net. Stewart is catching his stride. Dalpe and Boychuk are getting closer. Rask is going to be a beast; and Hofmann is a sleeper.
Defense: Pitkanen, Faulk, Murphy, McBain, Allen, Harrison, Joslin
Forwards: Staal, Skinner, Ruutu, Jokinen, Sutter, Tlusty, Dwyer, Brent, Dalpe, Ponikarovsky, Stewart, Yakupov/Grigorenko, Boychuk, Rask
Goalies: Ward, Boucher
The problem is less the actual talent at forward than the fact that Staal is having a horrendous season and Maurice is mismanaging the lines.
you know, looking at this dispassionately, it totally makes sense. that said, it won’t happen…
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 28, 2011 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt Gleason would fetch a 2nd AND a prospect. Probably be best case would either/or.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Nov 28, 2011 8:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Supposed to read that the best case would be either a prospect or 2nd rd pick.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Nov 28, 2011 8:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bob’s game notes are almost an epitaph. I don’t need to opine. I would think during the Geat Depression any soul that could read the headlines read the same shit….
Still pathetic, few glimmers of hope. Nobody has the answer…..
I reckon we carve a couple heads out of Mt. Rushmore and we get something….‘course I’m more of the putting a few heads on pikes…
Sarcasm and history aside. Someof the lesser souls had good supporting effort. Ruutu had a game I’d like to see again with the lens on just him, i erased it but my impression was he was on a mission. Skinner the most talented player on the team showed his youth and frustration on that slash. I still ain’t sre if Staal is trying and failing or just ain’t got the chops anymore. He made some sweet move and plays and yet seemed not interested at other times.
I think my mind is made up and Poni is trying and just may be a good fit on this team. On the other hand…Kaberle who?
I love both Sutters. Brett has that evil mean DNA the more hated of the clan had and Brandon just is the little train that can. I would almost drw a parralel between Brandons skill and Nicky Lidstroms. Absolute knowledge, belief and skill only the great players have. Ron Francis was a guy that benifited from playing with greats and had the same knack. Brandon may be a guy that racks up astounding stats at a deafening whisper. Well were he surrounded by competant souls like ron was.
Anyway, we watched another….I reckon MRI view of the disease that afflicts this tem and I believe the malignancy is also taking Ward down. I truly believe he is a top shelf twine nazi. He just needs something worth more than Mite hockey in front of him.
Said it before, gonna again. This team has to be able to throw 3 goals a game up o compete. Then maybe theycan fight for a win. Maybe Ward can steal one. At this rate and pace, it is lose, lose, lose.
Meanwhile some great prospects are being squandered and emotionly crushed. I simply just don’t know why we are subjected to this incompetent lack luster travesty.
Uh oh, A Dog posted, gotta read that….I’l whine more later…
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Getting old sucks!
Agree Brett Sutter is in this to stay. And Joslin welcomed the opportunity to drop them and show what he brings that Kaberle doesn’t.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 27, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
+100
There is no reason Joslin should not be playing every night. Looked good on the PP and brings a physical element. Sutter42 also looking pretty darn good.
I don’t really have a strong opinion either way – the defense has been awful top to bottom imo, but curious about this statement. Let’s pretend Kaberle is not in the mix, with a healthy Harrison, who are you sitting to make room for Joslin?
What’s to say? – but I do think they played better with these 6 D and I didn’t miss Kaberle one bit.
Maurice spends almost the whole 2 mins of audio answering questions about scratching him.
Not liking the 12-53 combination anymore. They’re both feeling so much pressure and not working together.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 27, 2011 10:58 PM EST reply actions
Jokinen is lost with Poni and LaRose. Jokinen needs to play with skilled players who see the ice well. I like Poni and think he will come into form (on pace for a 20 goal season right now) but he isn’t going to make many skilled plays with Jokinen. LaRose…just no.
Excellent point. Though I thought Jussi looked a little weak throughout – like he’s still hurting, avoiding contact and slow on his feet. Lacks the jam he usually has. Showed when he was on the PP w/53 and 12.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 27, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
i think several of our veterans are lacking jam. what does that tell you? that they are washed up? or that they are not trying for a coach who is on his way out the door?
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 28, 2011 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
again, agree with you CC
Skins and Fins MUST be re-united. Maurice not doing so should be grounds for his termination.
Finished typing this and holy crap, nobody is going to read it, but oh well, I had fun with it.
I’m a numbers guy, so I’m going to invent a stat right now. I call it Power Play Above Average (PPAA). The purpose of the stat would be to attempt to normalize PP%s across teams that “have good offenses” or “just score a lot in general”. It would really show how much better a team’s offense becomes when they are on the PP compared to when they are not on the PP.
First I find what the chance is that a team scores a non-PPG (I will call it ES, even though it includes shorthanded situations) by taking the number of non-PPGs scored and dividing it by non-PP time played in minutes/2. It is divided by 2 for easier comparison to the PP% statistic.
The canes have played 25 games or 1514 minutes (14 extra thanks to OTs). The Canes have scored 60 goals this year, with 14 of those coming on the PP. According to the nhl.com stat page, they have had 115 PP opportunities and spent 182 minutes on the PP (average PP is ~1.6 minutes. We will use this length of time to come up with what is essentially a “non-PP%” by breaking the rest of the TOI up into 1.6 minute segments, and seeing how many goals the team scores.
so we take 1514-182 to give us 1332 minutes of non-PP time. 1332/1.6 breaks the rest of the games up into 832 segments of non-PP time. They have scored 46 non-PP goals. 46/832 is 0.055 or 5.5%
The difference between the PP% and the PPAA should show how much the threat of a team scoring improves when they get a PP. the canes PP is at 12.2%. 12.2-5.5 = 6.7% increase.
For comparison to other teams, I will calculate this stat the same way with Columbus, Philadelphia, and Edmonton.
Carolina ES% = 5.5%, PP% = 12.2% PPAA 6.7%
Columbus ES% = 5.4%, PP% = 13.5% PPAA 8.1%
Philadelphia ES% = 8.1% PP% = 17.7% PPAA 9.6%
Edmonton ES% = 5.4% PP% = 21.5% PPAA 16.1%
Obviously the canes have the smallest increase in goal scoring potency when on the PP. What could account for this? The stat is adjusted for each team, that is, the skill level does not change between the hurricanes’ ES% statistic and their PP% statistic, so it shouldn’t have anything to do with saying “edmonton and philly have more skill, so they score more on the pp”. Each team’s own statistics are taken are taken into account, and it is all relative to their nonPP production.
My answer is the system. So many times the canes dump and attempt to chase on the PP, and the other team instantly gains possession and wipes the puck all the way back, killing 20 seconds or so easily. The team is encouraged not to carry the puck over the blue line alone by individual effort. Other teams seem to encourage that, and in my opinion, when one player enters the zone like that, it draws defenderS to that player, creating space for others. Once there is a little room, he can easily pass it off to one of his teammates for control and easy entry into the zone.
tl;dr: We all knew the canes had a bad PP this year, but this proves that the reason for the canes bad PP is more than just the team struggling to score in all situations. Statistically, their chance to score when on the PP does not increase as much as other teams (good and bad) in the league.
Interesting analysis. When you consider that players sent out for the power play are presumably more skilled, that should (in theory) make the jump in power play production more substantial.
I’d be curious to know what the numbers are like for the teams in 6th to 13th in the Eastern Conference, as well as how close the correlation is between a better record and a greater increase in scoring on the power play.
On the minimal TOI for Sutter/Stewart, until those 2 start playing special teams, with this many penalties, they especially won’t see much ice time. All things considered. Jokinen only got 8:40 Even strength time. Not making excuses, but when the 4th line is approaching 7 minutes, in a tight game, we’re at least moving in the right direction.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 27, 2011 11:05 PM EST reply actions
As poor as the Hurricanes power play is, teams would be pretty wise to take tons of penalties. 1 for 8 on the power play; and it takes the Hurricanes out of their normal substitution patterns and makes the entire team nervous. It’s been a strange season for the Hurricanes thus far; and is likely only to get curiouser and curiouser.
Bruce Boudreau has been fired per twitter. (@RealKuyper)
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 27, 2011 11:11 PM EST reply actions
thats a fake twitter account btw, but the rumors are flying that he could be out in 24-48 hours
by ECUCanesFan on Nov 27, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah – i was too quick on the trigger – I’d delete the comment, but it’s good for others to see it’s fake in case they are as susceptible as I was (It was RT’d by someone I know and trust and they’ve since deleted the RT as well).
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 27, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i jumped on it and texted a friend before realizing and having to retract my statement
by ECUCanesFan on Nov 27, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I’d see the PHT Joe Yerdon story headline right then too, so I was primed perfectly. It looks like 51 people RT’d it. That fake account knows how to work it.
And I’d also just seen a similar rumor (noted below) about Kirk Muller for Maurice, and since I spent a couple hours this afternoon watching Muller in one eye behind the Admirals bench and Rutherford in the other up above (Both sitting opposite me in Charlotte) that was a bit jolting and made me wonder.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 27, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Now it’s real. Dale Hunter is the new coach for the Caps.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 28, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Rutherford was at the Checkers games this weekend, both games, with Brind`Amour and Wesley. Checkers won both over the Milwaukee Admirals, farm club for the Preds. Totally dominated today, up 5-zip w/a minute left before giving up a goal to break Peters shutout. (I got to go and felt like I got a good feel on the players there and how they’re playing now)
Just saw a tweeted highly dubious rumor that Kirk Muller, the Milwaukee Admirals coach, will replace Paul Maurice. There’s a thousand reasons why that would be really strange (like getting permission mid-season to talk to another clubs coaching staff has got to be pretty rare), but it was an interesting connection anyway.
:shrug:
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 27, 2011 11:30 PM EST reply actions
Either way....
Even the false hirings and firings got me more excited than I’ve been for a game in a while. Crossing fingers and hoping for almost anything now.
by xlwino on Nov 27, 2011 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve always thought it was a given that Daniels would be the next coach of the Hurricanes. I remember hearing Rutherford over the offseason in an interview and he was asked about Daniels. Rutherford said something about how high he was on him and he didn’t really even know if he would give any other club permission to even to talk to him. I remember after that interview that it was only a matter of when Daniels was going to be the Canes coach, not a matter of if.
I’m almost a 100% sure that Daniels is the next guy and it probably won’t be an interim deal either unless he fails horrifically or loses the lockerroom in half a season.
Having said that, I’ve not really watched any Checkers games other than one or two playoff games from last year. What style of hockey does Daniels’ team play? Is it very similar to Mo’s? I’ve always thought our team was the best when it forechecked and used it’s speed. Sort of the opposite of the defense-first, grinding style we try play now.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
They’ve made a habit of giving up leads in the 3rd period this season. They play a very similar system as the Canes.
I think anyone who thinks Daniels is the answer needs to be paying much more attention to the Checkers. Otherwise you’re just making assumptions that he is the next Bylsma.
He is very caring for his players and makes a great nurturing, teaching type. I have my doubts if he would command the authority/respect of some of the vets to instill the confidence that they’re missing (meaning players >25) with his style. I often sense the players consider Kinnear is as much an influence as Daniels.
But others may have a totally different perception. I just don’t think he’s what the Canes need now.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 28, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think Daniels is the leading “Anybody-But-Mo” choice
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 28, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
He may not be the answer, just got the impression that he was probably going be the next guy. I’d prefer it be someone totally outside the organization who could come in with a new system and fresh eyes.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Nov 28, 2011 8:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I need to head down to Charlotte and see the Checkers
it has to be better than seeing the Canes play.
The Checkers are great fun to watch. They are well-coached and cohesive. With Dalpe and Boychuk added back to the mix, the forwards are fast and confident. Justin Shugg is a sleeper kind of forward prospect. He has been in the shadows of some high profile picks; but he has a knack for scoring. Chris Terry also is fun to watch. It’s worth the price of admission to watch Mike Murphy in goal. The kid has some amazing reflexes and athleticism. The defense is pretty young, but they play some hardnosed defense. Bellemore is having an excellent year and his skating continues to improve. He’s a mountain of a man. Bowman and Samson are also a blast to watch. It’s a team that rolls four lines and when they get cranked up are very hard to stop.
Anaheim is absolutely sucking out loud as well. Their defense is deplorable (probably worse than ours) and have highly-skilled forwards that are really struggling. What are the odds we could a swing a deal for Ryan or Getzlaf and send them some D help – as long as it isn’t Faulk?!?!
I’m sure they’d demand too much for either of those guys (though I’d give up a lot to get Ryan) and I’m just grasping at straws at this point but that’s certainly a team I could see us trying to work a deal out with.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
No practice tomorrow per Chip
The optimist side of me thinks a change is happening, the realist side reminds me that this should’ve happened during the skid weeks ago.
by xlwino on Nov 27, 2011 11:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The week of change has arrived....
Bold predictions….or wishes (Pick one), but I think we will have player movement and a coaching change by the time Pittsburgh rolls into town. JR puts a lot of stock in the month on November.
can we also please get an N&O reporter to cover the ’Canes who is willing to ask difficult questions instead of just “how did it go?” and not following-up answers with further questions? Chip is borderline ’Canes employee at this point…
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 28, 2011 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
Will be looking for an early afternoon presser...
Not counting on it though…
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
My top 3 dream predictions for today
1) Mo is gone, Daniels in
2) Trade of Kabs, Ruutu, Gleason, LaRose, Brent for a top-6 scoring winger TBD
3) New lines announced:
Staal – Poni – Stewart/new winger TBD
Jokinen – Skinner – Dalpe
Sutter – Sutter47 – Dwyer
Nash – Tlusty – Boychuk (w/10+ min TOI/game)
…and for an extra, we get rid of the male storm squad dude with the vuvuzella
Of Maurice, Karmanos said: "I’m happy Paul is back but he’s going to be judged the same way as any other coach. We need to win more consistently."
by Sergeant Stinky on Nov 28, 2011 6:59 AM EST reply actions
I don’t follow St Louis, but I understand they have a fine record since changing coaches. Did they make a trade? I think the personnel aren’t bad (Kabs excepted), we just need a coach who will play a lot of young guys (swap who is scratched each game, scratch everyone at one time or another for rest) and who emphasizes skill and creativity, not robotic defense.
They brought in a coach who preaches defense first.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 28, 2011 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
Clarification:
They brought in a coaching legend who preaches defense first and turnovers lead to offensive opportunities.
Harrumph
Bruce Boudreau has been fired for real now. Hired Dale Hunter.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 28, 2011 8:39 AM EST reply actions
I would take Bruce here in a heartbeat.
"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr
by Caniac233 on Nov 28, 2011 8:59 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Boudreau
I am not a fan either, but I’ll give him credit for not being afraid to bench his star player.
Well Mo
Maurice told the Canes they would seek to create more offense through better overall team defense. The forecheck would not be as aggressive, but that would leave forwards in better position to get back defensively, reducing the odd-man rushes that were hurting the Hurricanes
How’s that working for you?? We given up close to 4 goals per game, lost all of them (ok credit for one tie before losing with your shoot out selections…).
This after the Canes came out winnning with a more up tempo, more offensive pressure offense. Well, until period three of the Philly game when we went back to a high forward and only one forechecker. Obviously that third period of keeping Philly off the board (our own team as well btw) really made Mo excited so he wanted to run with that going forward…
Ok, if that isn’t just the dumbest move ever—a Mo standard—“let’s go away from what works and see what happens approach.” At the other end, he keeps running again and agin with what doesn’t work: Larose on the Top lines— I kow he’s scoring, but he’s really not contributing as a line mate, and didn’t last year either. Skins and Finns—has worked every time he puts them together, yet he breaks them apart. He’s put Skinns with Staal early in the season—a bust. He’s gone back to it and it’ still a bust. Skinners only goal since being put with Staal came from his own personal skin—o—rama move to make it happen. Yet we’re still seeing Skinner up with Staal. It should be Skins and Finns as first line—i.e. reward what and who’s getting it done. Staal becomes second line. The 4th line works but Mo still doesn’t use it? Why not?? Like the top two lines ar wworking?? Seems like it’s the 3rd and 4th getting it done more often.
I honestly don’t know what to say about his deicisions anymore. I honestly have no idea how JR can let this continue. Other teams in better and worse positions have taken action. We’ve seen positive effects from coaching changes. We’ve seen us wiin against the best, and lose against the worst, we see a team with no identity, no consistent style of play, no consistent lines, no consistent effort. Most of that is coaching, and the next is the players’ response and buy in to the coaching. After those two you get to lack of top skilled players. but it’s hard to argue that Staal (despite his shrump), Skinner, Ruutu, Jokinen, Sutter, Pitkanen with Ward don’t respresent a better talent pool than the results we’re getting from them. We’ve seen how they can play when matched to line mates properly and allowed to create offense with good pressure…
JR step up to the plate and make a move Buddy…You are not looking like a decisive GM who seeing an on ice product turning to crap and alienating or disheartening a fan base you have to have…
Boom goes the dynamite! Mo has gone!
by ECUCanesFan on Nov 28, 2011 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Now what are the Haters going to complain about?
Ohh wait, they still have Kaberle to boo!
At this point I would hate to finish 9th… get yet another middle pick.
by RobbinDollar on Nov 28, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Odd
Am I a Hater because I was in the Mo must go side of the fence? Seems like a rather hasty generalization there.
Oh, and last I checked, many that I guess you’d label as Haters make very positive contributions and posts -even crediting Mo-when it has been warranted…
Your post is more cynical, skeptical, and as equally in the hate category as many you seem to want to lambast…
Well apparently you labeled yourself as a hater since I was making a joke! No need to take offense to my post it was all in humor and intended to be funny.
Sorry you took offense! Never my intention. I will try to make my humor more obviouse next time :)
by RobbinDollar on Nov 28, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
MULLER!
YEAH!! Captain Kirk is the new coach!!!
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