Let’s Judge The Southeast’s New Coaches Starting Now
November 28, 2011. It was a day of vast change in the NHL, the day of The Great Southeast Shakeup. Two coaches that had embedded themselves in their teams’ fabric — Bruce Boudreau in Washington and Paul Maurice in Carolina — are gone, replaced by first-time NHL coaches who previously made their marks as players.
Boudreau had guided the Capitals out of mediocrity and into Stanley Cup-favorite status during his 329-game reign as Washington's bench boss. But his outspoken, no-apologies attitude rubbed many the wrong way, and eventually his relationship with the Caps’ Alexes — Ovechkin and Semin — seemed to deteriorate and cost him his job.
Maurice was in his second tenure with Carolina, having earned a three-year contract extension after taking over for Peter Laviolette on Dec. 3, 2008, and leading the Hurricanes to the 2009 Eastern Conference Finals. But the luster of that run quickly turned to rust when Maurice failed to lead the Canes back to the postseason the next two years and the team again stumbled in this season’s first two months, leading to his dismissal.
In their place come former All-Stars Dale Hunter and Kirk Muller, two players with vastly different reputations as players and no experience as NHL bench bosses.
In Hunter, many believe the Capitals are getting a hard-nosed disciplinarian that can right the Washington vessel — and more importantly, steer Ovechkin back to super stardom. He may very well be that man. But the idea that Hunter's on-ice truculence from his playing days will instill fear and thus success in the wayward Caps is a simplistic view, at best.The Hockey News' Ken Campbell made the mistake of using Hunter's past to stargaze into Washington's future when he ended this column on Boudreau's firing with this line (and video link).
Can Dale Hunter make all that happen? Not sure, but if the Capitals want to know what it’s like when their new coach is angry, they should ask Pierre Turgeon…and perhaps check out this clip.
As for Muller, the Canes seem to be getting one of the NHL's rising coaching stars. For those concerned with his lack of experience, Muller was oftentimes cited as the brains behind the Montreal bench, the X's and O's man during his five-year run as an assistant there. Which means the big question surrounding Muller is, "Can he lead?" His past as an all-effort NHL captain would point to, "Yes, he can."
There is a skeleton in Muller's closet as well — though nothing as harsh as Hunter's past. He was dealt from Montreal, where he was team captain, to the Islanders — coincidentally for Pierre Turgeon, the player Hunter cheapshotted in the aforementioned infamous play. Disappointed in being traded away from the Canadiens, Muller reported to the Isles and almost immediately engaged in a contract dispute with the team that would lead to his departure after just 27 games on Long Island. He bounced around after the trade out of New York (which sent him to Toronto for a 92-game stint), playing for Florida and Dallas. He never regained the offensive prowess that made him a star in Montreal, but with the Stars he evolved into a defensive stopper. But his time on Long Island is arguably the one black mark on an otherwise spotless playing career.
Both jumped in to coaching after their careers were over: Hunter formed a dominant coach and GM tandem with brother Mark with the OHL's London Knights; Muller started off in Canadian university hockey before landing a job as an assistant in Montreal, followed by the 17-game run as the Milwaukee Admirals’ head coach before accepting the job in Carolina.
Both of their resumes landed them jobs Monday. Hunter has seemingly mellowed as a coach. Yes, he has a couple OHL suspensions and fines under his belt, but nothing that raises questions about his ability to handle himself behind an NHL bench. Muller is considered one of the fast-rising, young coaches in the game — funny, since he nearly a year older than Maurice, the man he replaced — but will have to prove that his reputation as a hard-working, intelligent player translates into successful coaching.
Tonight, two vastly different on-ice players start at square one on Southeast Division benches. Despite their pasts — be it as the NHL's notorious No. 2 all-time penalty man or as the one-time Habs captain who was revered for his work ethic and determination — they should be judged as coaches based on what they do starting tonight. No one in the Washington locker room will be scared of Hunter because of something he did on the ice decades ago, and Muller is not going to earn the respect of a roomful of Hurricanes simply because he once had the "C" stitched on his sweater in Montreal.
Tonight, their combined 3,069 NHL games don't mean anything. They both start at zero.
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Not really a "black mark"
He was traded during the shortened 94-95 season (due to lockout) and that’s when the Isles were in a bit of disarray, “Gordon Fisherman” uniform and management issues included. That Islanders team was bad. Just coming off the labor issues and knowing his own skills were in decline, he wanted to be in a better situation. I can’t fault him for that.
Plus....
The fans wanted to dislike him the minute he got there. He just gave them reason to. :D
by Storminator16 on Nov 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Andreas Nodl
We just picked him up off waivers. Something else must be up now other than just a coaching change. I see the Ducks are shopping Bobby Ryan. We shall dream…
The Third Coming of Chad LaRose?
by jfhammon on Nov 29, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They better be making a trade because this makes no sense otherwise
by hurricane9 on Nov 29, 2011 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just had the same thought. Ryan would probably cost us at least 1 roster player, a prospect, and pick, slump or no slump.
by jfhammon on Nov 29, 2011 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
uhhhh….what?!?! Nodl?
I’m with hurricane9 – gotta be something else up cause I’m scratching my head. How many 4th liners can a team have?
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
Well, he may not be a 4th liner but don’t see what he’s adding.
Bobby Ryan, c’mon down!!! ;)
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
Borderline 3rd player. Think Tlusty.
by hurricane9 on Nov 29, 2011 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, I'm starting to think this makes sense
JR did mention he was looking to add a top 6 and a top 9 forward yesterday. Maybe he tipped his hand all along. Someone would have claimed Nodl.
With that said, if he’s looking for a top 6 forward, you know he’s shopping something big. He wishes Kaberle can get him that. For a Bobby Ryan, I’d kindly give a 1st and Gleason.
by Storminator16 on Nov 29, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Why did we need a top 9 forward, if you even consider Nodl that? We aren’t exactly short on bottom 6 talent. Plus this takes up another spot a prospect can’t have.
Philadelphia used Nodl a lot with Richards.
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by red army line on Nov 30, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I am not understanding this move at all. Nodl has some ability, but he isn’t really going to make any difference for this team. The only thing I could guess is that Stewart is headed out as some part of a trade package and JR would rather the kids get more time in Charlotte than on the 4th line in the NHL; so Nodl will replace Stewart on the 4th line.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Trade with Columbus?
Could be a possible trade with Columbus. They are in dire need of some d-men so speculation is Bryan Allen for Antoine Vermette.
hate to see Allen go, but with the bulk of D and the need for a top 6 forward I think that would be a good deal.
the one concern if we trade Allen is we will miss his toughness.. Canes are not the toughest team out there.
Trading McBain
Is McBain worth anything on the market? What about Bobby Ryan for McBain, Ruutu/Dalpe and a pick.
We would most likely need to shed some salary for a Bobby Ryan so Ruutu or Allen would be more likely than boychuck
by Kyle13 on Nov 29, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how the money shakes out but I would think the salaries would need to be closer. Perhaps Pitkanen and Terry or Boychuk for Ryan? I’m thinking Anaheim is wanting D for the most part. We’d give up Pits but we do have Faulk, McBain and Murphy in the pipeline when it comes to mobile Dmen.
It’s only a pipe dream I’m sure but Ryan would be a huge coup for this team and would finally give Staal a true legit winger.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
I think the only thing that could even get us in the Bobby Ryan discussion is Gleason/Dalpe/1st round pick and I don’t know if JR or Anaheim would do that.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Agreed.
Gleason + McBain + Boychuk + 1st
for
Bobby Ryan + Kurtis Foster
Might be a start. Still worth it to me.
by JussiJuice on Nov 29, 2011 1:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gleason’s value comes at the deadline to a contender, not to a team looking to rebuild.
by Cory Lavalette on Nov 29, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
People keep saying that but I do not think Anaheim has rolled over and died just yet. If they are moving a young Star like Bobby Ryan, I believe it is to bring in pieces to compete this year, not a total rebuild.
Which means they could very well want a top-6 forward (Ruutu is the only one we would likely move), a top-4 D (Gleason, Allen, Kabs), an elite young player/prospect (McBain, Dalpe, Boychuk), and a 1st.
by JussiJuice on Nov 29, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anaheim would want more, trust me. They don’t want two guys (Ruutu and Gleason) that could just walk away at year’s end. Furthermore, they don’t want to take on all that money.
by Cory Lavalette on Nov 29, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I like McBain, but I believe he really is the only player we have that we can get any sort of true value for.
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I really can’t see the Ducks wanting McBain. They have a couple of offensive defensemen (though 1 is currently injured).
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Oh, I concur there. I more meant that as a trading piece with anyone, he is really the only player that makes a whole lot of sense.
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I can see them wanting an Allen type so if we do end up trading him Anaheim could be a good location and/or yield us a good return.
by Kyle13 on Nov 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he starts flipping a coin behind the bench I saw we keep him for life.
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think he sucks. I mean he has won less games than Mo!
by Kyle13 on Nov 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he sucks. I mean he has won less games than Mo!
Great, we are already training for life in a big hockey market.
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Also he has yet to get Staal going. Though I do wonder when joker will show up to mess up the other side of his face..
by Kyle13 on Nov 29, 2011 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tonight’s bench commentary in the 3rd period:
Muller: Staalsy, we’ll need everything you got.
Staal: I’m giving it all I’ve got Captain!
Muller: All you got isn’t good enough!
Muller: Skins, go out, skate through everybody, and score on this next shift.
Skinner: Dammit man! I’m a hockey player, not a magician!
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Old time Kirk right there.
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by Carolyn Christians on Nov 29, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
look alike?
anyone else thinks Muller looks like Aaron Eckhart?
maybe for halloween next season he’ll dress up as two face.
I mentioned in another thread
that we now have a Bond villain and a Batman villain behind Southeast benches
Heel for school, Vol for life!
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 29, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Boucher(sp?) totally looks like a bond villain. I hate that he got that scar, but jesus, I would do EXACTLY what he told me if I were a player.
I believe in strength. I believe in unity. And if that strength, that unity of purpose, demands a uniformity of thought, word and deed then so be it.
by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Texts
A lot of texts floating around the past couple of hours from across the country asking if anyone has any info. Strong rumors that Semin has been behind closed doors and is in play. Bobby Ryan has been talked about for days so nothing new. But volume of chatter that now has Canes in play has picked up considerably. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything concrete but something may come down….. bringing in Nodl when you have to keep on NHL roster or give him back seems to lend credence that Canes are in play on something involving current guys on roster.
Dwyer or LaRose in play? They seem to be players that Muller probably would see as 3rd/4th line players unless I am missing something. Semin to Carolina would be great. I suspect Muller might be able to get Semin to show up consistently. Semin is an enigma. He has as much talent as any player other than Crosby; but he seems not to love playing hockey.
Semin is extremely talented, but he would go against the Canes character guys. I cannot see that happening.
And if anything, Nodl probably spells goodbye to Stewart. JR just got rid of his son Mo, he sure as hell will not be getting rid of his grandchild Rosie.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
No he isn’t. That’s why this move doesn’t make sense to me. But he is a 4th line player, so who else would he be replacing? It seems to me either Stewart or Brett Sutter and I can’t understand why they would be replacing Sutter42.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Semins on a one year deal, and in my opinion has too many work ethic/character questions for the kind of money hes gonna want.
I wouldn’t touch Semin. Sure, he’s extremely talented. But he just doesn’t fit in this organization at all. And he doesn’t satisfy Muller’s values of accountability and work ethic.
On the contrary, Dwyer and LaRose are probably players that Muller will love. He will probably accept them as 3rd/4th liners, but those are the type of players that he wants playing in those spots.
I love it
But volume of chatter that now has Canes in play has picked up considerably.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad new but Eklund is saying Carolina is getting involved in the Ryan talk as well. Definitely not happening now ;)
Seriously, I’d love to have Ryan but I don’t want Semin on this team.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
My guess is that Semin would not be Hunter kind of guy. But this may be more that the Cap’s success the past few years has started to deplete their deep prospect list. As well they seem to be running into some chronic injury issues on the back end with Green. If it is the Canes it would need to be a rich package of prospects and/or draft picks and a roster player. Canes usually don’t go elephant hunting so it will be interesting if the Canes are truly in play for one of the big guns being talked about.
Semin, as a UFA, doesn’t sound too attractive to the struggling Canes but if he were able to be had on the cheap (as we have the ability to take on Cap) then it might be worth it.
Bobby Ryan, Vermette, Brassard, Carter, Borque, Iginla, Okposo, etc. Would probably be better targets long-term.
by JussiJuice on Nov 29, 2011 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=603766&navid=DL|CAR|home
Ugh. Starting to think that its just another JR cheap pick up.
Doesn’t really make sense to add to the current roster without subtracting.
Maybe it will be a small deal moving out Stewart or Rosie as some have suggested. Maybe it is a bigger deal involving Ruutu, Gleason, McBain, Allen, Kaberle, etc.
I would be surprised if nothing happened as a result of this.
by JussiJuice on Nov 29, 2011 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So if it is a deal to move a Rosie, Stewart, etc, my question is if this was something JR was looking at or if Muller has given JR a list of players he doesn’t think will fit? I know Philly might be looking for a blue liners with Pronger out, but if the Canes were involved it wouldn’t seem to be via a waiver pick-up unless I am missing a subtle possible move here. Maybe the start of a multi team deal?
"This is a young player that skates really well," said Rutherford. "He has a skill level that gives us a little more depth among our top 12 forwards."
This interested me. The quote is kinda…apathetic if that is the right word. Usually when he brings players in, he tries to sell them and talk about how well he will fit in the team. This quote seems like “Yeah, he’s decent. He will help out.” Perhaps he is part of a trade brewing and he was grabbed as a bargaining chip?
This is certainly a strange acquisition. There has to be something else in the works. Sounds certainly like multiple players on there way out.
and all we as fans can do is sit & wait for the next "plop" to sound huh ?
and for those going tonight…have fun & be safe
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I wish!
That would be fun to be one the players being mentioned in the trade talks…… oh and the pay isn’t bad!
by RobbinDollar on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Thats a lot to give up for a guy who is past his prime.
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, he made Conroy look really good…twice.
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, in my mind, they are a match made in heaven
One is an elite wing who has never had an elite center, and one is an elite center who has arguably never had an elite wing.
I would rather see Ryan for the package Shelf proposed, however, if it was Iggy, I really would not be to upset.
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
And my Be A Pro team has 4 people out of action for months with " Post Concussion Syndrome ".
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
In Be a GM mode, if you sim more than a week you always lose a good player for weeks on end. Kind of annoying.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
Its so bad that my winger, who went 1st overall, is playing Third Pairing D right now because of the injuries. They may want to do an update and tone down the frequency. Yes, I know this got way off topic.
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I lost McBain for 8 weeks just before the playoffs. Then I lost Dalpe and Allen in the first round for the rest of the playoffs.
by jbcanesfan26 on Nov 29, 2011 3:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They also insist on having Staal as a " Playmaker " type player as well.
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by Douchebag St John on Nov 29, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
I recall Iginla playing with Staal in the Olympics. Along with Crosby, they were Canada’s best line. How much of that was Sid’s doing is debatable, but no doubt Staal worked well with Iginla.
by drifterscape on Nov 29, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Deal.
Only roadblock is the $7 million Iginla makes while we are only shipping out $2 million. Doubt the Canes are willing to take on $5 million.
by JussiJuice on Nov 29, 2011 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I will be the guy in blue!
Yeah I think a 2 for 1 deal is coming soon!
Defenseman and a Forward for a Forward.
I will be the guy in blue = Holding my breath!

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