Hurricanes recall Bowman, Skinner out with undisclosed injury
by Carolyn Christians on Dec 11, 2011 12:56 PM EST
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The Carolina Hurricanes have recalled Drayson Bowman from the Charlotte Checkers on an emergency basis to fill in for Jeff Skinner. The Canes are in Toronto where they will play the Maple Leafs on Tuesday. The press release describes Skinner as "out with an undisclosed injury."
Skinner missed Friday's game in Winnipeg and, at the time, there were conflicting reports of whether this was due to "flu-like symptoms" or an upper-body injury. There is nothing in the team's statement as to whether Skinner's injury is connected to a huge open-ice hit delivered by Andy Sutton on Skinner in the final 2 minutes of the Canes game vs the Oilers in Edmonton Wednesday. Link to video of the hit.
This is Bowman's second recall from the AHL this season. He played two games in early November, recording no points in either of those appearances.
The team has also placed back-up goaltender Brian Boucher on the injured reserve (LBI) to make room for Bowman with the 23-man roster limit. Both Joni Pitkanen and Jay Harrison are out with UBI's, but are not on the IR.
The Canes have a 3pm practice this afternoon at the Air Canada Centre.
The full text of the release is after the jump.
‘Canes Recall Drayson Bowman from Charlotte
Recalled on emergency basis for Jeff Skinner; Brian Boucher placed on injured reserve
Sunday, 12.11.2011 / 12:25 PM / News
By Terrell WilliamsRALEIGH, NC - Jim Rutherford, President and General Manager of the National Hockey League's Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that the team has recalled forward Drayson Bowman from the Charlotte Checkers of the American Hockey League (AHL). To make room for Bowman on the 23-man roster, goaltender Brian Boucher has been placed on injured reserve. Bowman is being recalled on an emergency basis for forward Jeff Skinner, who is out with an undisclosed injury.
Bowman, 22, has scored eight goals and earned six assists (14 points) in 23 games with the Checkers this season, and also has skated in two NHL games this year with the Hurricanes. Born in Grand Rapids, MI, but raised in Littleton, CO, Bowman is in his third professional season and has scored 37 goals and earned 39 assists (76 points) in 130 career AHL regular-season games. He made his NHL debut on Jan. 16, 2010, and has scored two goals and earned one assist (3 points) in 34 career NHL games with the Hurricanes. Carolina drafted Bowman in the third round, 72nd overall, in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft.
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Bowman's Big Chance
Bowman has been playing excellent hockey for the Checkers and is on a goal scoring burst. It may be one of the biggest chances he has to impress Muller. Bowman seems to me to fit the mode of the kind of hockey players Muller likes in his style of play. If anything, Bowman tries too hard; and it would be fantastic Muller and MacLean can help Bowman play with confidence and with the willingness to play with the fear of making mistakes. For players like Bowman and Boychuk, even though they are still young, their biological hockey clocks, so to speak, are ticking.
Good grief…….this sounds too much like the Pronger thing……….
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
Another thing, I thought the Sutton hit was clean on Skinner. Just a hard hit similar to what Allen did on Pomminvile in Buffalo earlier this year. I really don’t like Sutton but unlike some of his other hits in the Oiler game, the one on Skinner seemed to be just a good hit.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
A clean hit can still produce a health problem for the one being hit and that was the inference I got from this recent statement. It could be anything but I immediately thought about the head. I don’t know how concussion symptoms evolve but Chris Pronger’s virus has turned into concussion like symptoms. I really hope this is not the case with Skinner. Good kid, he deserves much better……..
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 11, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Concussion issue is what I’ve been thinking as well. Those are tricky and we could be missing Skinner for a while if that’s the problem. Bummer…
Of course, you can still be injured in a clean hit – I’m just saying that this time it didn’t seem to be a case of where Sutton was head-hunting Skinner. I’m kinda surprised this hasn’t happened earlier considering how often Skinner takes the puck right into the traffic.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
I looked at the hit a number of times. To me, Sutton swung his elbow at Skinner prior to making full body contact. That was why Skinner was upset about the hit. I think players tend to know when they get hit with an elbow rather than the body. On the other hand, I know I’ve taken hits and was furious that it was a dirty hit, only to see the video later and realize I just got hammered cleanly.
Concur
I watched in freeeze frame and while overall the hit looked good and clean, the elbow was NEVER tucked in by Sutton. It doesn’t look like he lead with the elbow either, as if he had intent, but he clearly is careless about being clean. But given the height difference and the elbow being up, it looked like Skinner took the elbow to the chin.
My problem with Sutton is that he is a brave man when he gets to go after guys like Skinner and Poni. And he is not a great hitter. Just a very big guy…. often way too much elbow or arm to the head. Two angles on this that I saw it just looked like a hit on a guy with his head down. But I saw one angle that a friend sent me from Canada and we both agreed there was contact to the head with the elbow. But heck, I’ve seen worse that weren’t called.
I don’t think Sutton will learn much from 8 games. It will be the next hit….. and from what I hear from guys that see him play a lot….. there will be a next bad hit…. that will likely get him gone for much longer. Let’s just hope that it doesn’t cause another Savard like situation.
For those of you that think I support pansy assed hockey, nothing could be further from the truth. I was never known to shy away from delivering a hard hit myself. But never an elbow….. have you seen the material that is on outside of the elbow pads that pros wear? Its hard space age plastic. Protects your elbow great…. like getting hit in the head with hammer on the other end.
Elbow to head is how it looked to me on the videos I saw. It wasn’t the worst impact I’ve seen with an elbow; and Skinner bounced up. It’s a punk move by Sutton because he already had Skinner lined up and only weighs Skinner by sixty pounds more or less. It’s time for the NHL to start banning players like Sutton and Cooke. Great hitting is awesome; but the few chumps who use dirty hits, knee to knee hits, and slewfoots need to be banished. After many, many chances, they need to be forced out rather than being given 6 or 8 game penalties.
… but was an unnecessary hit with 2 minutes left in the game – intentionally done to injure the kid.
What is the only letter in the Canadian alphabet, eh? Need a hint, eh?
by jonl355 on Dec 12, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My hope is that the organization errs very much on the side of caution with regard to young Sk8erboi.
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Me too – the last thing we need is him coming back too soon and end up losing him for an extended time and really messing him up – ala Marc Staal.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
I understand your sentiment……..however, I am also sure the paying fans are still close to the top of the Canes, Inc. list. I would think one of the toughest things for a club to do is balance the future with putting on the best product and entertainment on the ice now.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 12, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Bowman
I have liked Bowman’s game every time he has been with the big team. Good positionally; skates very well; likes to hit; hockey smart. The one thing that he hasn’t been able to do at the NHL level is what is becoming an organization wide disease……he can’t find the back of the net. Maybe this time.
Well kudos to Bowman for getting the call-up. I hope he’ll be able to contribute in some way to the team. It’ll be good seeing the younger guys developing at the NHL level with Muller here. They say he’s a good communicator so maybe now at least the guys who get called up will have a bit more direction.
Hope Skinner is alright. The whole flu-thing now “undisclosed injury” (upper body?) is a bit troubling. Here’s hoping he recovers from whatever it is in a timely fashion.. even after one game I’ve missed seeing his dazzling offensive hijinks.
Megaweapon… Megaweapon… Megaweapon…
Really concerned about Skinner. If this turns into concussion-like symptoms, that could be real bad. Skinner is a small player that does his work in the dirty areas. If this is a concussion, we might miss him for a while and it could effect the way he plays games in the future (because he’s more likely to get another concussion after having one).
This also shows that this team needs another top-level player. We are already pretty weak, but if Staal or Skinner go down, then we are basically trotting an NHL reject squad out there.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
by PackPride17 on Dec 11, 2011 3:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Chip Alexander (@ice_chip) tweeted that Staal was not at practice today. He flew back to Raleigh to be with Tanya for the birth of their second child today. He is expected back in TO for Tuesday’s game.
Chip had this on Skinner: Skinner has returned to Raleigh for evaluation of an undisclosed injury. Muller said Skinner does not have any concussion issues.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 11, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions
More from @ice_chip:
- Muller not completely ruling Skinner out of Tuesday’s game but still waiting for medical update. Should know more tomorrow.
- Muller and staff pushed the players pretty hard for an hour. “Good focus, good practice,” he said at end.
- Muller said outdoor practice was cancelled because he thought they could be more focused indoors and get more work done. Which they did.
- Muller said he hoped to have Harrison available at some point on road trip but Harrison’s recovery has taken longer than expected.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 11, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the story from Chip that develops on some of these tweets.
Canes coach Kirk Muller said Skinner had returned to Raleigh for evaluation, but said there were no concussion issues.
“No, he’s good,” Muller said.
As Jamie points out in the link to Dave Droschak’s story at Hurricanes Beat, Rutherford said he was in nearby Markham his parents. Not clear to me when he spoke to JR.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 11, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Chip today confirms (via twitter) that Skinner did NOT return to Raleigh as previously reported, he’s with his parents in Markham.
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 12, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Curious…..sometimes the left hand has no clue as to what the right hand is doing…..
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Easy mistake to make. Someone could have said Skinner was headed “home” and it was interpreted as Raleigh. No need to read more into it than necessary, IMO.
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 12, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Suspicious hit?
When I watched the game, I agreed with the consensus that the hit on Skinner was a good, open-ice hit. Even on watching the replay of it, I thought the same thing. After watching the clip posted in the article and seeing the second replay, the one before they cut to commercial at about :36s in the posted video link, it looks like Sutton gets away with elbowing Skinner in the head.
Some of it probably has to do with a size mismatch, but you can see Sutton leading and following through with the elbow. Granted, this is Internet video, so it’s a bit fuzzy due to lack of HD & high frame count, but I caught an image at ~ the :38s mark of that video where you can see the colors on the underside of Sutton’s arm. The Oiler’s 3rd jerseys have a splotch of orange on the inside of the sleeve, which if his elbow’s tucked in, you likely wouldn’t see.
Trying to resist the urge to homer on too much, but certainly looked like a well disguised elbow to the noodle to me. Hope Skinner isn’t gone for long and hope it’s not a concussion.
That’s a good view of the hit. I can see he did lift the elbow to Skinner’s head after the screen grab you got. Was hard to see that at full speed and the replays I saw still looked good and not overly dirty. Good work, thanks for posting that!
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
Whatever made contact, it definitely doesn’t look like a shoulder hit. I personally think Sutton got him with the part of the upper arm right about the elbow. Maybe by the law, that is not an elbow, but it is definitely equivalent to it. As Sittler said, the elbow pads used today are solid. I wouldn’t even call them elbow pads, but rather arm pads. My first pair of pads had a single piece of small plastic on the actual elbow and then the rest of it was some thin padding. My current pair definitely has more plastic (clamp your hand on your elbow and that’s basically how much I have) and the plastic is much, much harder.
Any possibility the hit could have affected his shoulder? Only reason I ask is because someone on another message forum brought it up as an observation. As long as y’all are studying it, see if that holds any credence…
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 11, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
That would be much easier to see (and hope that’s the case) if they hadn’t said flu-like symptoms at first. I don’t know at all, just trying to read between the lines of the team’s “official” statements.
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 11, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, and “flu-like” symptoms could certainly mimic concussion symptoms, especially with the NHL’s rather loose definition of “flu”.
But at this point, until we hear otherwise, it’s all speculation, whether head or shoulder flu-like or something entirely different.
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 11, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely hard to know when “flu like” was listed as a reason on Friday. They could be evaluating his shoulder (I wondered too) but it seems like you wouldn’t bother to have him as possible for Tuesday if so — why take the risk for any injury/concern that would send him back to Raleigh?
Lots of smoke/mirrors/misdirection on this one, lol.
Tough to say on the shoulder. It certainly appears like Skinner took the brunt of the fall on his left arm/shoulder. It also looks like the left arm sort of “chicken winged” underneath him as he rolled over it. Here’s the screen snaps I could catch that support it.
Initial landing:
Chicken wing views (font, back, & close up):
Roll-over:
He did give a vague appearance of favoring that arm after the hit, but not enough to really call any attention to it. Or, I could just be “looking for it” and reading more into his body language.
Zapruder film
and the head snaps back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left….
by drifterscape on Dec 12, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
nice pic, if Sutton keeps both hands on his stick his elbows stay closer to his body and it’s not an issue. However, most dman don’t keep 2 hands on their stick when skating backward because of the extra reach. It was a big hit, both were moving fast and Skinner was cutting across the blueline in open ice; plus you’ve got a large mis-match in size, Sutton’s doesn’t have to raise his elbows much to get them at head height for Skinner. In real time it looks like the brunt of the hit is given with his hip and he follows with his elbow, this shot suggests otherwise.
David Droschak at Hurricanes Beat spoke to JR today about Skinner, the interview is here. Obviously caution is the operative word. Interesting comments from JR about the lack (or not) of an enforcer on the team. Also, Droschak and Chip contradict each other. Chip says Skinner’s in Raleigh, JR says he’s with his family in Markham.
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Ruutu and Hitting
If the Hurricanes lack enforcers, they have a shortage of open ice hitters. It simply adds to the necessity that Rutherford and Karmanos do whatever it takes to re-sign Ruutu.
Not contradicting because we need forwards who check hard too, but man, Bryan Allen has been delivering a mighty open ice hit seems like once/game. Maybe when Harrison gets back?
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 11, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Allen is a beast
Allen has been a great addition to the team. He hits with every bit of his being. Harrison had been improving before his injury; and had done some very meaningful hitting. Still, the hit by Sutton on Skinner, Ponikarovsky, and Staal is indicative that the Hurricanes can’t overlook the need to have open ice hitters and some grit on the team.
what is Harrison's injury?
he was playing great, then _________
The Condor. #63.
by DidJussiThat? on Dec 11, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
upper body…. shoulder I’m thinking
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 11, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
cut himself shaving his torso?
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
by thebl4ckd0g on Dec 11, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Having an “enforcer” won’t stop fools like Sutton or M.Cooke. They don’t care.
This team has many more pressing concerns than needing to find an enforcer, even if the ’Canes were an organization willing to turn one loose on the opposition.
by drifterscape on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
if we would come out in the first period and actually hit people it might help stave off the other team from headhunting
LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!
by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 6:30 AM EST up reply actions
I think JR tried to add a few hitters when the brought in Stewart and Poni. Stewart should be able to paste people but he hits about as much as Ray Whitney does. Huge gap now that Cole is elsewhere.
Gleason use to connect on alot of his hits but seems slow and misses some now. Kaberle is gone so that in its self made us more physical as a team.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Brett Sutter was playing great in Raleigh, I thought… Picking up Nodl still doesn’t make much sense in that regard.
Nodl as a top nine player
Nodl is projected I think as a top nine player. He has size, speed, good hands, and plays solid defense. Brett Sutter is an excellent, all-around, and solid fourth line player. Muller is working toward players with speed and size who play and up tempo game.
Yes I absolutely think that the Canes project Nodl in the top 9 and they may think of him higher.
Remember last year he saw alot of time on a line with Mike Richards.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Really? What I’m I missing? Is there something in his stats I missed, because they’re not really impressive. Based on what I’ve seen he looks like a dime a dozen marginal 4th line player that Philly was right in waiving.
I agree. He has some skills, but he’s nothing real special. He guy was barely a 1/2 PPG player in the AHL and has never really been a tremendous goal scorer. He has good wheels, but he could easily be replaced by a ton of players.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
by PackPride17 on Dec 13, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of defensemen...
Gleason should be laying people out more. He’s been kinda a pansy this year as far as that goes. Not the same Gleason of years past. :(
on a side note, Skinner issues sounds like concussion to me. They are just playing it down like it’s not.
Additionally, I wish they’d call up Samson sometime this year. He was awesome last year when he got called up…
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
What were Samson’s strong points that you feel he brings?
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 11, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Well let's see here...
He is tied with Jon Matsumoto for goals, 3rd on the Checkers for assists, 2nd on Checkers for points. I dunno I mean he seems to have a lot better stats than Bowman or Boychuk…plus when he was here last year, I thought he played hard and hustled hard.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
by thebl4ckd0g on Dec 11, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Keith Aucoin has awesome AHL numbers too. But can’t translate that to the NHL level. Samson reminds me of Aucoin.
using that logic we should never ever bring anyone up from the AHL who is doing well because they might be another Keith Aucoin? can’t say I agree…just as I would with Bowman, Boychuk, and Nash or Matsumoto I would give Samson a shot here in the second half of the season, see what he can do over a stretch of games with 10+ min of ice time, then if he doesn’t work out, boom, package him in a trade or otherwise figure something out.
LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!
by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
That was not my point. I’m all for bringing up guys that have earned it at the AHL level. Aucoin did and has earned countless chances. But he could never stick. Samson has had several as well. He just doesn’t distinguish himself either. He’s a " tweener". Not strong enough to play a strong checking game… and not skilled enough to be a top 6 guy. Unfortunately for him the AHL is full of guys like him.
Bowman shows flashes of both….. he just has to put it together….. if he can.
if the ‘canes are looking at what speed they have in charlotte to maybe play with staal, then i agree samson does not fit. if they are looking at maybe packaging larose with someone else for a trade, then i could totally see samson getting a shot on the 3rd/4th line to take rosie’s place. he’s bigger and stronger on the puck that’s for sure.
LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!
by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think I will take Muller at his word…..everybody gets a clean slate……including perhaps everyone deserving of a second chance in Charlotte.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 12, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
That’s very valid point. But this is not just Muller’s call. Francis and Rod have been checking out the forwards and getting JD’s evaluation. And JR will provide the business side as to contract status, future asset value, etc.
Kirk will provide his want list and he’s the one that sets the system and knows how he wants his guys to play and who he thinks is best slotted where. But there will be times he just has the do the best he can with the players he’s got.
It still makes me sick to think that we could have had Staal centering Fleischmann and Neal if we had played our cards right. Then the Finns and Skins. Then roll out Sutter with Tlusty and Dwyer and then say Brent between Poni and Stewart. That with a better put together D ( with money saved on Kabs and LaRose, get a quality shut down D-man). I now woulda, coulda, shoulda….. but these were deals that were doable and within budget. Rather than battling for the overall pick we would currently be in the thick of the battle for 4th through 8th in the East and looking at how to slowly phase in Dalpe, Boychuk, Bowman and Rask at forward over the coming years and Murphy, Dumoulin, and the other blue chip D prospects we have. Instead now we will have to blow up the team. And get Staal and Ward’s heads right.
Glad JR took ownership of the Kabs signing ….. but before we give him Yoda status again let’s really look at the body of work this past couple of years….. from a team “engineering” perspective he has to get a failing grade.
Yoda…….got me to smile on that one!
I actually was thinking that the decision on the second chance folks from Charlotte would be a management tag team affair…….
What a top line that would be indeed! I said on another site that it is not how much money you spend but how wisely you spend it. I actually will hold JR to a pretty high standard because he is not a “rookie” anymore, he should know better.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 12, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yoda
Good Grief Sitter27……you got me all up and twisted……here I am staying out of harm’s way and suddenly I am seeing JR and Yoda side by side and wondering if the movie got it wrong………….who’s father is whom?……
You have ruined my day…….can’t stop thinking about that one…..might as well pack it in!
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 12, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
James Neal
I think it didn’t require Fleischmann and Neal to get where the Canes needed to be. I think trading for Neal (with money saved on not having Kaberle and LaRose) was sufficient. Fleischmann would have been great, but not as essential as Neal. I don’t agree that the team needs to be blown up, however. I think it is equally possible to conduct a “redo.” It looks like it will require trading Gleason or Allen; and then trading LaRose. There isn’t an equivalent to Neal on the market, but Turris, Penner, and Brassard are available. If the Hurricanes get a top 3 pick in the 2012 draft, and trade Spacek and LaRose, the money is now back into the budget for 2012-2013 for working out a trade for a first line wing. Additionally, Yakupov, Grigorenko, and Galchenyuk would add an elite forward to the team.
Rutherford has undone the Kaberle experiment. I suspect Spacek can be traded at the trade deadline.
…Spacek might bring a 4th round pick. His trade would free up cap space which we already have and won’t use.
by drifterscape on Dec 12, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well Cap space will start to work against us now. We only have 2.8 million until the basement. No team is allowed to be below that number. Players Cap hit does apply to the number of games played. should be about 25% So it could happen but cant be a clean sweep of our UFAs
Next year we currently have 15 players signed and 33.5mil allocated.
If we were to spend the league mandated minimum we would have to spend 15 million more. So the actual number should be 20-25 million more for 9 roster spots.
If we were a cap team we would have 31mil for the remaining 9 roster spots. Thats 3.33 mil per new player.
Not that we are going to be a Cap team but we are looking like we could do alot with our team!
Keep in mind that there WILL be a new CBA in place before next season starts so I have to imagine that the cap will go down and the floor will go up.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Spacek has a NTC so Not sure he will waive it 2x in a year but maybe… Maybe for a playoff run he would.
I would take Penner Turris or Brassard.
LA might be wanting a change in a lineup. Im sure they would give us Penner for super cheap.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Are Yakupov, Grigorenko, and Galchenyuk going to be elite forwards next season? History would show that they would be good, but not elite players next season. While it would be a talent upgrade over the current bunch, they most likely will not make this team that much better in the immediate future. Skinner was dynamic his first season, did the Canes do that much better last season; we went from 11th to 9th. RNH is playing unbelievable, are the Oilers going to make the playoffs now; most likely not.
We still need to add other pieces. Without adding quality NHL ready talent, we are just wasting another season of Staal’s, Ward’s, and Skinner’s contracts/careers. If this team is just trading players to acquire picks & prospects, we have another 2 or 3 seasons before we are playoff caliber. If that is the case, then trading Staal & Ward should be explored.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Yeah its tough for any rookies to make that much of an impact.
So would you rather Ryan over a top 2-3 pick?
I think Trading Staal would be a mistake. I think we have the room under the Cap system to get a bit more, just hope our management will spend it.
They could just see how the new division Draws next year while being a budget team again. Thats my guess.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I would rather have Ryan. You know what you’re getting and he is someone that can contribute immediately. Don’t get me wrong, a top 3 draft pick would be amazing for the future of this team; but I think this organization needs to have a balance approach to rebuilding. I don’t believe it would be able to stand the financial aspect of sucking for 2 or 3 more seasons to allow all the prospects to develop. Even having 3 years of top 5 picks would not guarantee that we would be a top level team in the Eastern Conference. Organizations still have to spend money to fill the holes. Not all of Pittsburgh’s players were drafted by them.
We need to acquire a few players that allow us to remain competitive, while leaving some spots open for our prospects to develop & take hold of. Our front office has to be better than the rest; because we are a low budget, southern team. We can still take a chance on a player every once in a while, but we cannot have a roster full of chances. We need 4 quality forwards, 2 quality defensemen, and a quality goaltender; then you can fill the rest of the roster with prospects, character guys, and chance guys. When the chance guys and/or prospects have better years than expected, then we become real contenders. When they don’t, then we relie heavily on on quality players to keep us in the playoff picture. I just feel that all to often, we are expecting our chance players to be difference makers and it doesn’t work out.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Yakupov and Grigorenko will almost certainly be impact players in the NHL next year.
Nail Yakupov is the most exciting and hyped prospect out of the CHL since Crosby and Grigorenko is right on his heels as a previously less scouted player who just switched over from the KHL this year.
It wouldn’t surprise me if both came into the league as ppg players (similar to RNH this year) and both should be at or above Bobby Ryan’s talent level.
This would be an amazing year to have a top-2 pick. A core of Skinner, Yakupov, Ward, and Staal would rival any of Pittsburgh, Chicago, Washington, etc.
Are they huge talents, yes; but will they make enough of an impact to make the Canes better? RNH is doing exceptionally, even better than Skinner; but are the Oilers now a playoff team? And the top pick alone doesn’t address our biggest weakness, the defense. We have a good amount of offensive defenseman, but Jay Harrison is the only defensive defenseman that is signed beyond this season.
I would like to retain our top pick, because it should take us to the next level; but I am for trading Ruutu, Jussi, Gleason, etc to acquire another top level forward. We need 4 quality forwards before we can even ask to enter the discussion of Pittsburgh, Chicago, Philadelphia, and other top teams.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Yes I am all about retaining our first Rd pick too!
I agree that we need another top forward.
Would you let Sutter/McBain/2nd Go for Ryan?
I dont know if i could do that one either.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a very good question, one that I have thought about. Which is easier to replace or get; a top line player or a 3rd line/PK center? What 1st line player is available and at what cost; Parise for $7+ million? Or could we insert Dominic Moore in the 3rd line spot next season for $1.5 million? I really like Sutter and would like to have him on this team, but I would also love to have Ryan. I would much rather give up Jussi/McBain/2nd/Boychuk for Ryan.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Yeah and If I were a GM I would trade Jussi/McBain/2nd/Boychuk for Ryan too!
Sign me up on that deal!
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt we need defensive D and the Canes will have to spend money to get one.
Nicklas Grossman is a pending UFA that interests me greatly in that regard. Still young, lots of hits and blocks, very reliable and underrated stay-at-home defender. Could be a very good 2nd pairing fix there.
I believe with the money saved on Kaberle, JR will opt to try and sign/trade for a big-name defensive D or two-way D. Although Ryan Suter is the only real high-end UFA available.
Yeah I have been torn on this one. I think Ryan is a great player and he will be for a while!
That said I think the top few players in the draft are very dynamic and could be house hold names in 2-3 years.
I think having to give up our first Rd pick, a young D (McBain or Faulk,) Prospect (Dalpe) and that still might not be enough… I think we should hold on to our pick over trying to get Ryan.
Haha good thing its not me making that decision
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
This year’s top pick could be as good or better than Skinner. I would not be inclined to trade it at this point.
Well lets just hope its not a flop like ohh say……
2004….
3 Cam Barker, D
4 Al Montoya, G
5 Lauri Tukonen, C
6 Marek Schwarz, G
Or 1999
1 Patrik Stefan
2 Pavel Brendl
1996 Ouch!
1 Chris Phillips
2 Andrei Zyuzin
3 JP Dumont
4 Alex Volchkov
5 Richard Jackman
Trust me it doesnt get better that year.
1995
1 Berard
2 Redden
3 Berg
4 Klinger
1994
3 Bonk
4 Bonsignore
Since then its been pretty decent with a flop here and there. Just playing devils advocate.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I want talent and more exciting players.
So however we get that I am happy.
I would love Ryan on my team but at the cost of so much.. not happy giving away the future for it.
A trade like the one that got Joe Thornton would be nice
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just look at 2007:
1. Kane – true star
2. VanRiemsdyk – good player that is getting better, but hasn’t cracked 50 points in 3 NHL seasons.
3. Turris – solid player
4. Hickey – possible bust
And look at Filatov (the #6 pick in 2008). He had all the talent, but is headed to the KHL. Could the Russian factor could also play a part in the top draftees this season?
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Igor Knayzev. Yeah drafting Russian scare me like strong bull.
by drifterscape on Dec 12, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
1 Sidney Crosby, C
2 Jack Johnson, D
3 Benoit Pouliot, LW BUST!
4 Bobby Ryan, RW
5 Anze Kopitar, C
- is a bust, the rest are gold!
Drafting Russians is scary at best though.
If you told me a 1st, Boychuk and Mcbain for Ryan I could live with it :) Much rather keep that 1st if we could. Its fun to rout for young new guys… how much fun was Skinner last year for us!
I would much prefer to make a deal like Pittsburgh did last season! James Neal and defenseman Matt Niskanen for Alex Goligoski … where were we for that move?
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
how about a "moneyball' approach
to rebuilding the team ?? so far no has suggested that ..
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Think of this;
I am not suggesting we trade our 1st round pick, but consider this; the Canes are generally a second half team. In 09/10, we were the front runners for the #1 pick and ended up finishing 11th in the East. What if Staal starts scoring goals again, what if Cam starts stopping pucks again, what if Jussi plays like he can? If those things happen, could we not move up the standings? I don’t think it would be completely out of the question for teams like Columbus, Anaheim, Colorado, Edmonton, Calgary, NY Islanders, Tampa, Winnipeg, Ottawa to finish below us in the standing if the Canes make their normal 2nd half surge. Then we end up with the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th pick. There are still really good players at those picks, but are they normally the elite? Wouldn’t Bobby Ryan or someone like that look pretty good at that point? He was the #2 pick in 2005 and has 100 goals in his first 3 full NHL seasons, that’s better than Staal’s or Parise’s first 3 seasons.
You just never know what you are going to get in the draft and it is not certain we are going to have a top 3 or even top 5 pick. That is one reason to consider (repeat consider) trading our #1 pick for an elite player like Ryan.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
by PackPride17 on Dec 12, 2011 9:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve had my eye on Samson for a while because of his size. He does a good job of battling in the corners and comes up with his share of pucks, but can’t seem to convert. With the retooling that the Canes organization faces, maybe it’s time to give him 20 games and see if he can be a top 6 winger.
The Canes have this dilemma for a lot of young wingers. When they get into January, assuming they are in the same place in the standings, is it time to test the AHL guys and see if anyone has the skill that will translate to the NHL?
Even though he hasn't put up numbers in the NHL...
…Samson seemed to be able to control the boards better than anyone on the ’Canes. This was pre Muller, however, and they seem to be doing a better job of it now.
well if he was doing a good job of controlling the boards pre-muller
when he was the only one doing it, imagine how effective he could be now if he had another forward down low with him establishing the cycle game, then peeling off to get in front of the net
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by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but I disagree about Samson. I always used to clamor for his recall, but when he finally got his chance(s), he didn’t show that he can play well in the NHL. He’s very good for the Checkers, but he wasn’t able to bring his scoring touch from the American League to the National League. Granted it was with limited ice time, but he didn’t produce. In 23 games, just two assists. Also, in my opinion, he didn’t look very confident AT THE NHL LEVEL. He’s a great AHL player, but it looks like that’s all they’re ever going to get out of him. Unless he’s a late bloomer. Very late bloomer.
I’m not sold on Drayson Bowman, to be honest, but I like what Dalpe brings, so I hope he gets more recalls this season.
How much actual playing time did Samson get last year? I don’t think he played enough to get a really good idea if he’s NHL ready or not.
by CanesFanFromLI on Dec 12, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
30 games in two seasons. He’s passable…. but what the team looks for upside. They saw that in Dwyer. I have never seen it in Samson. In my opinion he will be a career AHLer.
been saying the same thing exactly Samson=Aucoin.
by wylde4canes on Dec 12, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
+4
There is always the late bloomer, but usually a player shows something right off the hop when they get their crack at the NHL. Samson hasn’t shown anything beyond “serviceable”. Just like Aucion or Bayda did. Bowman is about to become serviceable if he doesn’t show something with this call up.
I think Gleason is still trying to hit just seems slower for some reason.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Per twitter:
Levi John Staal. 9 pounds 5 ounces.
O_O
Congratulations to the Staals on the happy news!
twitter @jbk_ltd
that is a big baby.
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
by thebl4ckd0g on Dec 11, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
does he play goalie?
suit him up
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by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 6:29 AM EST up reply actions
yeah yeah, i just worry when the guy gets pulled twice and has a bench meltdown. i guess i just expect more from our franchise player who made the all star roster just last year with pretty much the same defense. has he been hung out to dry? sure. has he stepped-up and made the miraculous save? sure, but not as consistently as he has in previous years, hence my concern.
LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!
by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I think Cam is really frustrated and has lost some confidence.. I think it is time for a couple games off to see the game from a different view.. I am a ex goalie myself and never like sitting for games and made damn sure the next time I was in there I was on my game..
Besides, giving him a lighter workload in a very clearly lost year just means he will have less wear and tear going in to next year.
by wylde4canes on Dec 12, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
i just cannot fathom a professional athlete considering the NHL season “lost” on December 12. out of all the pro sports, hockey has perhaps the greatest respect for the game among players, and i would imagine to a man they want to win every game they play. cam wants to win, and win now. must be frustrating, but i would hope JR would try to get the team together to start winning games asap before cam’s confidence goes any further south.
LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!
by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Who said anything about a player considering the season lost. I am talking about management being smart and not wearing out one of it’s cornerstone players by playing him 70 plus games this year when our hopes of making the playoffs are laughable. I didn’t say anything about Cam not wanting to win. I didn’t say anything about anyone not wanting to win. All I am saying is they may choose to play him less and his backups more. Those backup goalies are supposed to get us wins as well, right?
by wylde4canes on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
We aren't walking in their shoes
While there is disbelief on our part that any player on any professional team would consider a season lost as the middle of the season quickly approached, we have no idea what is going on in the head of the players. This team will not make the playoffs. I’m sorry that is the fact, but none the less it is still a fact. If we know it, they know it. So why would they continue to play hard.
1. Pride for sure.
2. To improve their bargaining power come their next contract.
3. To be be attractive to a playoff team to earn a spot in a deal at the deadline to a Stanlley Cup wannabe.
4. To earn a spot on a winning Canes team next year.
There is no good reason to just go through the motions unless you want to retire or be a lifetime AHLer. But there has to be a difference in motivation when the first tee time can be already planned in early May. Just has to be.
Ones of the biggest reasons to play the best you can……..despite knowing the play-off season is loss is…………playing for each other.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC
by hurricanefever on Dec 12, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
So what if Cam had a temper tantrum? He’s a competitor, nice to see someone on the team fired up about a loss.
I’ve seen multiple Brodeur tantrums in the past, including throwing his stick.
by CanesFanFromLI on Dec 12, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
first one i've ever seen from cam
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by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
so what he is human...big deal...I am glad he showed some emotion
I think it would be really bad if he was not upset in that situation
I loved it! I was applauding him! Cam was looking down the bench when throwing his temper tantrum! That was directed at the whole team. Our team defense is sickening and Im sure that was Cam’s issue.
The team was dreadful in front of him and were not playing for him at all. They should get yelled at.
Good for him.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
One thing that will make Toronto interesting
Now the phone and cable company owns the Leafs – it is no longer the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan (hence the name Pension Plan Puppets). I just have to hope that the Leafs are as efficient when we play the Canes as Time Warner and AT&T!
From Today’s N&O:
Canes’ Ward vows to keep calm, carry on
Regarding his uncharacteristic display of emotion on the bench:
“I think it built up over a period of time,” Ward said Sunday. “I pretty much yelled a bad word as loud as I could a couple of times and that was it.”
- – - – -
“It’s over and done with,” he added. “I take pride in remaining calm. But sometimes it’s an emotional game and gets the best of you.”
twitter @jbk_ltd
That first quote made my day.
Here’s hoping he (and the rest of the guys) finds a way to “have fun” again. And soon.
"What Carolina really has going for them is Brandon Sutter. When that kid first showed up, he looked like a skinny little thing that wouldn’t last two weeks. But he’s turned into a real star."
Thinking of what that “bad” word Cam yelled must’ve been reminds me of when my grandmother once was explaining to me how another driver had cut her off and how she was so “mad” that she gave him the thumb.
Let's go Hartolina WhalerCanes!!!! I am a big fan of the Canes, but I still have some residual Brass Bonanza Blue and Green in me.
honestly
I still don’t blame Cam, not one bit. If I were his friend, I’d give him a big pat on the shoulder. Telling him I know how he feels.
But I am glad to see that like everybody else, he’s human, can admit it – and I bet he will play much better in the coming games b/c of it. :)
Ready for the Canes to win the Cup again! :)
well all i know is
Sutons out for 8 games,,,skinner is out until he can return…and Bowman is getting a shot..and hopefully more mins than he got with mo so he can hopefully get some points..to help bolster him and the team over all…with the new arrivial of a baby in the Staal household..now maybe just Our good Captain can get focused on his “JOB” ..Not that he has been shirking..but now that his family is secure..he can focus on the ice sorry i have been rather lack in keeping up but things are what they are…have a good afternoon eveybody..and thank you Miss Carolyn…
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Go Canes & Checkers !!!
For those not on twitter, a couple opportunities to hear Kirk Muller were announced this morning:
1) This afternoon, on the Jeff Marek/Greg Wyshynski podcast. Go to Puck Daddy’s site for the link this afternoon. I believe you can listen in live or maybe it’s at sportsnet.ca which is Marek’s site. ? I’ll look to link in my next C&C of course.
2) the next Canes Corner with Mike Maniscalco: “#NHL_Canes head coach Kirk Muller will be the guest for Canes Corner at Backyard Bistro on Dec. 20 at 7pm. Tune in to the Fan to hear it”
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by Carolyn Christians on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions
I enjoyed Ryan Murphy’s comments:
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/12/11/fun-for-juniors—until-the-phone-rings
I think he’ll crack it because they seems to have more defensive dman than offensive guys, I guess we’ll know by Wednesday. For intersquad they’ve got him paired with Olesiak.
It seems Muller couldn’t make it today on the Marek/Wysh show.
If you’re in Canada you can watch “Off the Record” with Brandon Sutter, Anthony Stewart, Derek Joslin, & Jamie McBain today.
Kyle Hanlin: Four @nhl_canes (Joslin, McBain, Stewart, Sutter) join TSN’s Off The Record. Airs today at 5pm ET and 6:30 on TSN2. pic.twitter.com/roUqL385
It should go up online at TSN.ca sometime later tonight.
Twitter @HMof2
by Carolyn Christians on Dec 12, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
To all the boobirds, lets hope that Harrison, Pitkanen, and Boucher get healthy and back on the ice very soon…We need them in a pretty bad way right now…Harrison for some D, Pitkanen to help on the powerplay and getting the puck up ice, and, nothing against Cam who I feel has been left hung out to a little dry more than normal here lately, Boucher to help stop some rubber…
Where the Hurricanes are at the Moment
The window of opportunity for Neal or Voracek has closed. They are not the only choices, but they were the best choices for 2011-2012, I thought. So where are the Hurricanes? With Kaberle gone, and Spacek obtained, Jim Rutherford can trade Spacek at the trade deadline and have a pick and his cash back from the Kaberle fiasco.
That leaves the Hurricanes needing a first line wing, which was the problem to begin with once Cole was not re-signed. It’s cash time again for the Hurricanes; and if LaRose is traded, the Hurricanes have $4.25 million from Kaberle’s dead deal and $1.9 million from LaRose’s 2012-2013 contract. $6.24 million can get the attention of quite a few first line wings. Additionally, if when the dust settles the Hurricanes have a top 3 draft pick, they are actually ahead of the game. Don’t over-rule Jim Rutherford being crazy as a fox in making better situations out of disasters. He’s done it before.
he has indeed done it before
just not in the past 2.5 seasons
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by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Going to be difficult to trade Players for picks straight up. We have 2.8mil until we hit the basement. We cant go below that. So moving 1 guy at the deadline for picks is possible but moving 2-3 guys will be impossible without taking salary back in the deal. Florida did it last year when they took Sami from us but we didnt give picks either.
We still have a log jam this season on defense so I would think one of the UFA should be dealt soon.
I think JR has set himself up with freedom next off-season. There will be a new CBA in place before FA season begins. Will that freedom = Spending or just more tight roster massages.
It is obvious that we need to spend a bit more money to compete in our new division. Sad that a lack of spending and bargain shopping keeps putting us in the same situation. I guess it could be worse… could be over spending and desperately trying to get out of a terrible contract… Umm wait :p I think it just happened
Not sure the trade is out there. Yes if we were to spend money on a UFA this summer it would excite the fans.
Bobby Ryan might still be bought from the Ducks… not sure who could afford the costs. Yes they said they were not trading him but the reason for trading him have not changed…the need to make room going forward. His 5.1 will likely be a steal before the contract is up.
Evander Kane requested a trade, again price would be high.
Brassard is likely to get moved sooner than later.
James Neal will be a RFA this summer.
TJ Oshie RFA
Can you honestly say that JR and PK will go buy a player like Parise or Webber? I dont see that but add either or and our team is well improved. Add Parise and a top 3 pick and our team looks decent!
Gotta think that Florida and the Canes will make a deal at some point this year. I could see us sending them a player for a pick
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
How to Afford Parise and Other Related Thoughts
Money saved by trading Kaberle and then trading Spacek = $4.25 million
Money saved by trading LaRose = $1.9 million
Money saved by no re-signing Ponikarovsky = $1.25
Total: $7.4 million
Top 3 pick: Yakupov, Girgorenko, Galchenyuk
Top forward prospects: Dalpe, Rask, Boychuk, Nash, Bowman, Hofmann
Top defense prospects: Faulk, Murphy, McBain, Dumoulin, Alt, Levy, Biega, Lowe
The Hurricanes also have two second round picks in a very strong draft class.
So how many rookies/prospects would you be starting next season?
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
yeah no kidding
at some point folks need to stop daydreaming for October 2012 and realize we have Dec/Jan/Feb/March/April yet to play, around 50 or so games. I cannot — and will not — believe JR, the players, organiZation, etc. is going to willingly sit back and let the season play out as-is, hope for the no. 1 pick, and rely on Dalpe, et. al. from Charlotte to miraculously right the ship. There will be more trades in the near future, harder working shifts, better play and more wins. Period.
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by Capt. Stinky on Dec 12, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Parise would be a godsend. If his production stays low this year he could come at a bargain. Wouldn’t that be a coup – a Devil in a Canes sweater.
What about Brad Boyes? he’s up for UFA as well and having an off year, he may be cheap as well.
Don’t forget Gleason and Allen will need to be resigned…
$2.74 and $2.9 respectively – they may be due a raise
I’m assuming that either Gleason or Allen and potentially both could be traded for picks at the deadline. It’s not that I am wishing it, it’s that I am predicting it will happen.
I predict we loose either Timmy or Brian at a minimum. I wouldn’t be shocked if we lost them both though. We are defiantly not signing both of them next year, you can be certain of that. Spacek is a UFA but has a NTC. He would have to waive it… I suspect he would for a contender.
Ruutu and Poni are both UFA at seasons end. At least one of them are moved before deadline time.
Both Boychuk and Bowman are RFAs so I suspect one or the other is moved in a package.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 12, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
If the Canes could get 4 true top 6 players, then you can pull a JR and take a chance on a player like Boyes. If it doesn’t work out, we move some players/prospects around.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
I don’t know if any other team is going to really try and trade to get LaRose. Also, he is a great locker room guy, one player on this team that I’ve yet had any questions about giving his everything and leaving out all on the ice and he’s great for this team when he is properly slotted.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
If Larose is overachieving (3rd in team pts, hits) then you have to capitalize on his high temporary value. Other folks in the league recognize his heart and soul game, and for some teams, (WASHINGTON) they might be able to use that for a cup run as much as anything else.
That said, I may have to make a little paper bag for my Rosie bobblehead if he went to Washington.
I think I’d puke if I had to watch Rosie play at the RBC in a Caps sweater.
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Dec 12, 2011 5:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha, maybe Backstom and a 3rd rounder!
"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward
by anonymousJ on Dec 12, 2011 5:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Get ready for a big change on the back end. I can see a scenario where Gleason gets resigned, Harrison and an FA are the defensive d-men, and Pits, Faulk, and Murphy are the puck carriers. Muller likes to be aggressive, so an upgrade on offense tilts the ice and Cam backstops any mistakes. I really think this team will feature an uptempo attack in 12-13, and hopefully JR plugs in the pieces in to make it work.
Let Gleason/Allen walk.
We have Pitkanen, Faulk, Murphy, Harrison, and Joslin next year (with Dumoulin building AHL experience and priming to join the NHL).
Sign Nicklas Grossman (UFA)… A young (26), big (6’4", 200+ lbs), underrated stay-at-home D that could likely replace Gleason or Allen with a higher upside and longer shelf-life.
Sign Ryan Suter or make a huge trade for a similar shutdown or two-way D. Someone like Luke Schenn, Brent Seabrook, Shea Weber (unlikely), Braydon Coburn, or Niklas Hjalmarsson.
(Suter/Trade Target) – Faulk
Pitkanen – Grossman
Harrison – Murphy
Joslin
Solid and safe two-way or shutdown D paired with a highly offensive D in every grouping.
I guess you feel about Grossman the same way I feel about Aulie. I think an Aulie/Murphy 3rd pairing next season could be real interesting.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
by PackPride17 on Dec 12, 2011 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Aulie would probably be an interesting, younger option if he wasn’t too expensive trade-wise, Toronto certainly has the depth at D to shop a prospect like him if they liked one of our forwards. Maybe Boychuk for Aulie straight up or a package of Aulie + 2nd Round Pick for Ruutu at the deadline if Toronto was making a Playoff run.
All this "talk" of trades...how about the canes get a few more wins
in the month of december ..or is that expecting too much from we fans ?
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Donald Sutherland at his best. I only speak for myself; but I think Jim Rutherford is sitting on a gold mine. The Hurricanes have a chance to pick up another cornerstone of the franchise player. Staal, Ward, Skinner, and Sutter were all first round picks of the Hurricanes. They are cornerstone players. Boychuk for whatever reason is not a franchise player yet; even in my eyes and I think he is tremendous. Murphy, I believe, will be a cornerstone player. From the second round picks, Faulk and Dalpe will become cornerstone players, I believe. Peters does not seem to be headed down that path. Alt may well become with time a tremendous pick. Rask is rapidly developing and at this moment is playing like the top five first round pick he was projected to be.
For Rask the question will be only if he can continue to improve and not hit a plateau. He has tremendous skills, speed, size, and hockey intelligence. He has developed into an excellent finisher.
Now if Jim Rutherford will hold his cards, his draft picks, and will add some more early round picks via jettisoning players, he can amass talent to compete. More and more I am convinced without talent as the base, an NHL team is always the under-dog. With talent and character, you build championships.
I think you might be over-evaluating some of our prospects. I really like Dalpe & Rask, but I’m not sure they are going to become “cornerstone players.” They are probably projected to be real good, top 6 role players. Dalpe should probably be in the NHL next season, but Rask could still be another year away. Murphy & Faulk appear to be very good defensemen, but will they be stars? Murphy is going to have an uphill battle in the NHL due to his size and while Faulk should be a solid top 4 (maybe even top 2) defenseman, he may never be of All-Star quality.
The thing I think you fail to see is that playing a bunch of prospects & high draft picks will lead to more losing in the short term. Can a franchise like Carolina sustain a couple years of bad losing? We’ve already seen what losing does to attendance; we are about 2,000 people less this season than last. While the die-hard fans will support a team going through a full rebuild, the casual fan will probably not. And there are a lot for casual fans here than die-hard fans. If attendance figures drop to around 11K or 12K for 2 seasons, can PK absorb those losses with the salary cap floor where it is? A full rebuild can occur in a place like Edmonton, where fans will still fill the arena; but that probably won’t work in Raleigh. And if things get real bad, then the franchise moving to “greener pastures” is always a possibility even given the current lease agreement.
And just look at the teams that have had top 3 draft picks since the year we won the Cup. Really only Pittsburgh’s & Chicago’s top 3 draft picks have really helped them achieve great success. And both of those teams just happened to start spending money about the same time. Could Carolina go through the attendance woes that these 2 did in the early 2000’s? Remember that relocation was talked about for Pittsburgh for a while, until Mario came in to save the day.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Pittsburgh was talked about relocation because of the arena situation. The City wouldnt build them a new one and the Igloo was a dump!
I dont think PK would move the team… there has been a commitment to the area and he has worked hard to get the All-Star game, Draft and Local investors. Our 3 playoff runs and the success in the last 10 years has built a nice base. With any non-Canadian market team, when you are one of the worst teams in the league you will not draw great crowds. My concern is not with him moving the team but being content to spend to the floor every year. Being outside the playoffs and having a 6-12 pick.
You are right though… the casual fan wont come out to see a struggling team. You and I will… we watch all the games and spend our time reading and commenting on each others opinion because we follow the Canes so passionately. In fact one could argue that us being so far down in the standing has us buzzing a bit more and has us thinking how to fix our teams problems and has us more engrossed in the team than if we were say 3rd or atop the SE.
Remember that after we won the cup we spent almost to the Cap for a few years. Missing the Playoffs really hurt since JR and PK publicly said unless we were in the 2nd round of the playoffs the teams financials were in the RED! I think he was mad and set a budget and hoped for a bubble spot. It almost happened last year and PK missed out on some nice additional income. The games down the stretch were like playoff games but Im sure an extra few at home would have made a difference.
I think the area and fans could handle a rebuild but do we really want to waste our Core guys Prime years on a rebuild? The turn over in hockey is very fast we have 3 players still on this team from winning the Cup.
If its not a top 2-3 pick this year then I would rather get somebody young and skilled now. I kinda feel that we could make our late season run like always. Yes i bet we get the 5-8 pick.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 13, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Well
Given what we do have, A good normally dependable goal tender who has shown an ability to be clutch when it matters, Staal, Skinner, Sutter we do not need a complete rebuild. But we would need to see Dalpe, Boychuk and Bowman playing serious time this year, which is a rebuild year now—no way a playoff year. If one of these guys shows he’s top six potential, then we’re already ahead and got some time, learning and rookie mistakes out of the way for that player.
We trade or acquire a top six veteran forward (not necessarily older, but proven) we’re not rebuilding any more: Staal, Skinner, Prospect who proved ready, Trade guy, plus drafted talent? We have a formidable front end.
Back end, depends on what Joslin does this year. If given time and he looks like a solid contributer, you’ve got Pitkanen, Faulk as puck movers definite keepers. Probably one of Allen, Gleason, Joslin as one of our defensive guys. Harrison’s a keeper for next year. So we either bring up Murphy or Dumoulin or trade for one more dman—a good enough middle of the road not too expensive defensive guy and we’re a competitor.
We’re not the Oil starting from scratch. No rebuild should take time or even require a losing season next year. We have assets to build or add to, we just need to use the rest of this year and make a determination on our existing forward prospects—something we’ve not done the lasat two years. Might as well now—their mistakes are free at this point for this year…
That’s my point! IMO we cannot do a full rebuild as AD suggest, we cannot play a team full of prospects & draft picks. We have to have a balanced rebuild. We need to acquire a proven top 3 or 6 player, leave some roster spots open for the kids to take & develop in, and maybe even bring in a veteran player that can be a stablizing presence for all of the young players.
We don’t have to get Bobby Ryan (though I would really like to), but we need another proven top-level player. We need to find a good to very good all-around defenseman to anchor our defense. Move must be made and it cannot all be about gaining prospects & picks, because that is just going to continue the losing for more seasons. Skinner is a personality that must be captailized on in this area and continued losing is going to make that task more difficult. Get one more top-level forward and a solid defenseman, then add the prospects & draft picks to the group of Staal, Skinner, Ward, Sutter, top-level forward, solid defenseman; then we might actually have a team that doesn’t depend on “catching lightning in a bottle.”
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
by PackPride17 on Dec 13, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Well
If AD means THIS year is a rebuild year, hard to argue that. And we shold be transitioning and trying the prospects heavy duty to give them their shot now so we know later….
I’m for giving the kids a shot, but we can’t have a roster full of them. That wouldn’t work on the salary cap front and it would also reduce trade value for some of our “veterans”. It’s like LaRose; I know a lot of people say he should be traded at the deadline to get his highest value. But I think his highest value is probably right now. He’s one of the scoring leaders on the team and there a lot of teams right now that have poor bottom 6 scoring. LaRose might look pretty good right now, but knowing that numbers will eventually even out over time; he might not look so good come February.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Yeah I think that will come into play and hurt us this year. Have to be careful.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 13, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it is that hard to manage the salary floor… We trade good/decent players like Ruutu, Gleason, Allen, Larose to contenders for 1st/2nd Round picks (or high-end prospects) + Cap trash players.
Very similar to when we traded Corvo for a 2nd + Pothier. Almost every Cup contender has overpaid pending UFAs that they would be happy to upgrade.
I just don’t want prospects & picks alone. That will just keep us in or below mediocre for the next 2 or 3 seasons. We need a couple of young, proven talents and then fill out the roster with the prospects.
"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'
Really you didnt laugh at all? It was for fun.. it wasn’t suppose to be a serious interview.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 13, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Not really, it kind of felt like he was mocking the guys a little, especially about the icing fact or fiction.
Except for the part where we learn that Gary Busey once threatened to punch Kirk Muller in the sternum. You can’t make up that kind of stuff.
(although looking down at the description of the video, I see I missed the part where they were talking about Rob Brind’Amour)
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 13, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Haha he asked if any of them could beat Brindy in a push-up contest… they all said no!
by RobbinDollar on Dec 13, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Re-read my comment ;)
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by Jamie Kellner on Dec 13, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Again it was for humor… Apparently you have never seen the segment, Off the Record.
Brandon jumped in and defended the Cane’s fans well! Man, the Hurricanes have been here a while, I would think think most have lost the sensitivity.
Well anyway I thought the What family was a better farmer and name the Sutter family were great! Haha, “there is no Bob or Bobby or Robert” lol!
Sorry didnt mean to wast your time. I enjoyed it and wanted to share.
by RobbinDollar on Dec 13, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
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