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Maple Leafs 2, Hurricanes 1 OT

The Carolina Hurricanes were outshot in every period but were able to salvage a point against the Toronto Maple Leafs on Tuesday night as they lost, 2-1 in overtime.

Cam Ward put in a sterling performance up until the game winner -- 44 seconds into overtime -- as he made 36 saves on 38 shots. James Reimer had a much more quiet night at the other end of the rink as he made 18 saves on just 19 Carolina shots.

The Canes were outplayed for much of this one as the Leafs outshot the visitors, 13-5 in the first, 13-7 in the second, 9 -7 in the third, and 3-0 in OT.

The game was scoreless until Tim Connolly tipped in a shot with just four minutes and change left in the game. But the Hurricanes tied things up during a powerplay chance late when Eric Staal found Alexei Ponikarovsky in front of the net with just 1:54 left.

The overtime period was all Toronto as the game winner was also knocked in by Connolly when Ward allowed a puck to squirt behind him. Justin Faulk made a valiant effort as he dove in the crease to knock the puck away, but it bounced back into play, right to the former Sabre who was in perfect position to bang it home.

The Canes fly back to Raleigh and will take on the Vancouver Canucks at the RBC on Thursday.

Star-divide

Game Notes:

  • The team officially finished 1-3 on the powerplay and did not allow a goal against while killing.
  • They only won 36% of their faceoffs. (Staal 43%, Sutter 27%, Jokinen 33%, Brent 50%)
  • Chad LaRose, Jiri Tlusty, and Faulk each had a team high three shots each.
  • The Canes had 17 blocked shots led by Poni with four.
  • LaRose and Poni led the way with six hits each. The Canes had a total of 33 for the game.
  • Scoring chances were 18-12 Leafs.
  • Jamie McBain had a team high 24:09 of ice time

Check out post game quotes at Canes PR.com

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3 positives:

- Cam Ward
- Penalty Killing
- Brandon Sutter blocking shots

Otherwise, pretty tough to watch.

by tarheelicane9 on Dec 13, 2011 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

I read a lot of comments on CC about people wanting Staal moved to wing and a true center brought in for him. But where on the comments about moving Sutter to wing and a true center that can win faceoffs brought in for him. As the shutdown center, Sutter REALLY needs to improve his faceoffs to limit the scoring opportunities against.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

What is Sutter’s FO % for the season? I am pretty sure he leads the team and is over 50%

"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr

by Caniac233 on Dec 14, 2011 5:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Jokinen – 53.3%
Sutter – 50.3%
Staal – 50.2%
Brent – 46.1%

by Kahz on Dec 14, 2011 6:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That surprises me a little. It just seems to me that every time there is an important faceoff, Sutter loses it.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Shared Mess

I bet PK has a lot to do with the “mess”, too!

by #1checkersfan on Dec 14, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it is clear to pretty much everyone at this point that without Jeff Skinner in the lineup, we are a stone cold lock for a top-3 Draft pick. He is the only player on this team with the skill to put the puck in the net when it counts, game after game.

by JussiJuice on Dec 13, 2011 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

Which includes our $7.75+ million (soon to be $9+ million) man Staal.

by JussiJuice on Dec 13, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

For the life of me I cannot understand how this continual over slotting of talent is occurring. We need to call the kettle black because it is.

First line talent in Staal and Skinner. In all seriousness Jussi and Ruutu are solid second liners. Sutter is a shut-down, albeit still a work in progress, 3rd line center. The rest of our team is comprised of players that are 4th liners with a maximum of 3rd line talent.

Poni can be a solid 3rd, maybe 2nd line winger when he’s firing on all cylinders and really playing his game. Stewart, i still don’t think, has been given a proper chance to play on a more offensively focused line, but then again he does take some shifts off and who knows what his attitude in the locker room and with the coach are.

At this point, as much as people continue to question the line organization, its Muller working with what he has. I would argue that he knows and probably believes that neither Tlusty and Dwyer are not first liners, but what better can we do? Might as well give two players that have played pretty hard and usually work hard, on the top line.

Overall I think what is going to fix our team is by actually drafting well. When you really look at our drafting we have not produced much talent. Yes we have a lot of promising prospects, but guess what, thus far aside from Skinner, Staal and I suppose you could argue Ladd, can anyone name a forward we drafted and has held their own for more than a season or two and truly helped the franchises progress?

The UFA market is bare this summer and unless JR can trade for a solid 1st and 2nd liner, or a RFA this is going to be a longer process. We need to be intelligent about signings and moves, so I don’t think signing anyone to an offer sheet is worth it nor do I think that is JR’s nature.

I can see us improving from this season, but surely not leaps and bounds. If you look at the teams that are very successful recently a la Bruins, Penguins, Blackhawks, Detroit, and a few others, the majority of them have tons of home grown talent, not solely free agent signees.

by Caniac Kid on Dec 13, 2011 11:52 PM EST reply actions  

It would be kind to classify Staal as a 1B Center judging by his play this year. He would be a decent 2nd line Center on most Cup contenders.

by JussiJuice on Dec 14, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think he is a number #1 center. I don’t think there is a single player that can carry this team with the surrounding talent. Yes he’s slumping but under Muller his effort and points have increased. Ovechkin isn’t playing up to expectations and has far more surrounding talent…does that make him only a solid second line player. Staal has never had linemates with the talent the majority of NHL’s top point producers.

by Caniac Kid on Dec 14, 2011 9:01 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Just look at Erik Cole. He was a bonafide top line player with the Canes. He signs with Montreal and has seen the majority of time on the 2nd line, with a little on the 3rd. But if he came back to Carolina, he would go right back to the 1st line.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep, and in 31 games Cole has 21 points with Montreal, which would rank him 2nd on Carolina. Not that he could score 21 points with Carolina but the potential was there.

by drifterscape on Dec 14, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I also think we lost allot of leadership when he went to Montreal…

by dbaerry34 on Dec 14, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Two years ago most of the posters on this blog were saying Cole was washed up, amazing how quickly that turns around after he has a good season.

by CanesFanFromLI on Dec 14, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

As you point out, apart from three forwards taken very high, the Canes have nothing to show at forward for years of drafting. The Canes tried to avoid rebuilding and succeeded in limiting the exposure of their top prospects in the NHL while results got worse and worse. It’s now clear that the Canes’ aversion to their own forward prospects was not just about Paul Maurice. It’s an organizational failing. Whether the Canes can’t draft or can’t develop forward prospects doesn’t matter. They’ve gutted their own talent either way.

You would think, now that all is clearly lost, the Canes would at least see what Dalpe, Boychuk and Bowman can do with substantial NHL playing time, if only out of morbid curiosity.. There is literally nothing to lose and yet here we are 32 games into a disastrous season, with 0.4% chance of making the playoffs, with a desperate need for more scoring talent, and the Canes are unwillingly to take a chance by giving big playing time to high picks drafted for offensive talent who now have years of professional experience. They were unwilling to play the prospects last year and the year before and look what that got us.

Apparently the Canes don’t want to create a roster spot by trading any of the current forwards for negligible return. Some of the roster forwards will bring negligible return whether traded now or at the trade deadline. Getting a 5th round pick instead of 4th rounder makes no difference. Hoarding mediocrity is not going to build excellence.

Since the forward prospects are past due for cracking the NHL, they have less trade value by the minute. Either play them or dump them. Let’s at least see if they can do better than the guys who have played the Canes into last place in the Eastern Conference.

by curiouscanesfan on Dec 14, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Here’s a question. Would you consider us being the ones that developed Andrew Ladd or do you think Chicago did that?

Ladd’s NHL number

Carolina – 137 games, 26 goals, 24 assists, +9, 0.40 PPG
Chicago – 184 games, 37 goals, 62 assists, +32, 0.54 PPG
Winnipeg – 111 games, 38 goals, 35 assists, -13, 0.66 PPG

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Andrew Ladd developed Andrew Ladd. JR gave up on him too soon, but he had to have learned something going thru a Cup run with the likes of Brindy and Whitney. Same in Chicago, was around some good players. I think becoming Captain was a really influential event for Laddy. It has really matured him, and he wears it well.

by Hockeydog on Dec 14, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I definitely agree we didnt do much developing but I personally think the slow and steady play on the 3rd line and the success of playing in the playoffs surely allowed for an under the radar rookie season where he didn’t feel a ton of pressure while also gaining the confidence of being good enough to play in the Cup finals.
Holy run on but typing on the iPhone is not good enough for me to edit.

I agree we didn’t do much developing but at the same time we did identify a player that was clearly talented to enough to be a solid NHL player. We didn’t flop like we did with Heerem, Tselios, and Igor K (not attempting his name by memory).

by Caniac Kid on Dec 14, 2011 2:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Pretty Funny

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=35&id=142121

Ref laying out Timonen and he totally led with the elbow (not to mention clearly left his feet)… Shanaban time!

by JussiJuice on Dec 14, 2011 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

Bowman?

What was the opinion on Bowman? And are we ready to start playing more kids? If so, who do we move (assuming we can get value for them)? Maybe Montreal would want Monsieur LaRose to go with Cole and Kabs…

by jbwhite99 on Dec 14, 2011 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

The team had only five even strength scoring chances…hard to win with that even with how well Ward played.

They had a lot of good shifts but just couldn’t create any offense with them. The one that sticks out to me the most is when the fourth line had the puck in the Leafs’ zone for around a minute. Nodl won a battle in the corner, gave the puck to Stewart who tried to set up a play at the net and it resulted in a turnover. Think that sums up this game pretty well.

Spacek looked very solid again, though. It’s only two games but I’ve been pleased with him so far. The penalty killing was also great and I thought the third line looked pretty solid. Bowman, especially.

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by MyFriendCorey on Dec 14, 2011 4:07 AM EST reply actions  

When your line up looks like ours, you can expect grinding nights. Strangely, I did not find this game as brutal to watch. When Cam is on his game, he is amazing. He must feel like a one man army under constant barrage. Believe it or not, I thought that elements of the D-Corps played well. Namely McBain and Spacek

"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr

by Caniac233 on Dec 14, 2011 6:04 AM EST reply actions  

The fight is there. The desire is there. Sadly, the talent is not. Another season and I find myself saying the same things I have said the last two years…. Bring the young talent up and stop filling the roster with 4th line talent. It must be real frustrating for the kids in Charlotte. Serioulsy…. the team would not be any worse off and in fact probably better! It would have been far better to sign one legitimate top liner and fill the roster with youth than to bring in 4 or 5 low tier free agents or re-signings. Ugh, Not thinking very highly of JR these days.

by Franklnc on Dec 14, 2011 6:36 AM EST reply actions  

See, I disagree with that.

This team realy isn’t playing to 100%. The effort isn’t at the same level as our opponents. Our will to win isn’t as strong. I’m not saying they are dogging it or giving up, but honestly, they all know there’s no playoff chance for this team. They also know we’re short on talent. So they are all playing and trying, but they are not competing at the same level as these other teams who believ they can win and who believe their results can get them a playoff berth.

We had a fast competive team last year, for most of the year we were top ten in goals. Cole left, and yes he was fast, but our whole team is slower because the effort isn’t up to our normal competitive standards, and no one is fighting to get tothe prime scoring areas, forwards are not playing through the checks. They are not fighting for their shots or battling hard along the boards each and every shift. Watch their skating, it’s not hard stopping and starting, changing direction hockey. It’s loops and circles—easier stuff.

Face off wins take hard effort—we’re getting more lax there too. It comes and goes if we feel good and get off to better starts and look like we may win, but otherwise that’s inconsistent. Hits are hard work, we’re off on those—when your big hitters are Dwyer and LaRose there’s not much bang for the buck.

We’re getting less PP oportunities—because we’re nto working as hard—Skinner draws them because he does fight through checks, because he does try ad fight to get to the dirty areas and he fights to get off his shots. His fight is missing with him right now.

SO there are all kinds of signs showing our effort isn’t up to NHL standards. With our talent, the only way we can win is with superior effort—we’ve done that some times this year—but not right now.

We’re a beaten team before we start.

by Squeaky83 on Dec 14, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Regarding penalties drawn; Skinner, Ruutu, and Staal would rank in the top 15 Penalties Drawn per 60 of all “regular” players in the NHL. And by regular players, I mean guys that average over 15 minutes a night.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

my 2 cents

I think they are trying, but I think we overestimate the overall team speed of the Canes. Staal can get down the ice, as can Sutter and Dwyer, and Nodl looks pretty swift. Nobody else is all that fast, or is not accustomed to Mullers demanding pace. I don’t see any apathy on the ice. I think they just don’t have more to give.

by Hockeydog on Dec 14, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Good morning folks

I missed the entire 3rd period and came into the room when the game went to OT ..On the plus side what parts (periods 1&2) both teams did play well but seemed hesitant to screw up type of play.But those canes who bust their chops did so as and despite a few give aways..the Canes picked a few pockets with the same ease as the leafs did. the Canes just didn’t gather around the leafs net as the leafs did to the Canes net..what got me pumped up was how Ward broke his stick on the goal after losing a tough game..hats off to faulk for a “kid” has stepped up and done all he has been asked ..yes still rough around the edges..but his play has beewn better all defencesivly that McBain..and Spacek is aking his presence known & felt.he is doing a good job and hasn’t been afraid to get in there when needed…who knows maybe the canes have picked up another “manny” in the rough …for an “old guy” he is working as hard and harder than Kabs did …too bad we couldn’t have gotten him sooner..??? Rosie like Sutter did all they could do …and despite the loss,for a work in progress I am more pleased with the Canes as a team as i was the Kabs/Mo pre-trade/termination era…have a good day gang..Merry Christmas everyone ( no PC crapola from this fan !!)

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by CaniacSteve on Dec 14, 2011 7:41 AM EST reply actions  

It's Been Time to Call in the Kids

It has been at least a month overdue in jettisoning some players and bringing up the kids, or at least Dalpe and Boychuk. Jim Rutherford’s interview with Fan590 in Toronto made is clear he understands that the Hurricanes are two forwards shy of being competitive. The Hurricanes had the chance at the end of the season to test the kids; but instead elected to try to squeeze the last gas out of the tank with Stillman. It was close, very close, but no cigars.

Jim Rutherford has made the point that this team does not have players who want to win at all costs. I assume he means the Scott Walkers who would run through fire to win. I think that statement by Jim Rutherford is not entirely accurate. It’s true that the Hurricanes lack the ability as a team to rise to the moment. Last night is a prime example. Ward stood on his head. They had very little offense, Staal’s legs were lead, but he battled through it. Jokinen, Staal, Ponikarovsky made a great play to score to tie the game in regulation.

It was then a crossroads, could the Hurricanes find a hero to seal the game. With Skinner out with an undisclosed injury, the likelihood of a win in overtime dropped. This year’s Hurricanes, unlike some past years, as a team couldn’t find a way to win. It’s not one thing this season, well with the exception of the happily departed Kaberle it’s not one thing. I find this year’s team exquisitely frustrating to watch because they have moments of pure hockey radiance; and then viola, it vanishes into the Keystone Cops on skates.

Accordingly, to me, it’s time to rebuild now. One of the issues is surely the lack of elite talent at forward. The Hurricanes don’t finish well, and especially so without the prodigy Skinner who to my mind is the team’s single best player. Playing the kids is a way to salvage the season and to prepare for next season. They will add excitement. They will also add creativity and unpredictability.

The best news of all to me is that the Hurricanes are poised to load up with even more talent in the 2012 draft. I’d happily watch the Hurricanes try hard, tie games, and lose in overtime the rest of the season to hear the name Yakupov, Girgorenko, Galchenyuk, or Forsberg called by Ron Francise at draft time. As much as watching the Hurricanes find new and exciting ways to lose makes a part of me want to throw breakable things against concrete walls, it’s all part of a necessary process for the team. No pain, no gain. That’s what my coaches told me. It must be true. Right?

by abramsdoug on Dec 14, 2011 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with you but have a question for the peanut gallery...

I have said many of the same things, albeit not as eloquently, on numerous posts. I too want to see our prospects get NHL top line time and be primed to perform next year and beyond, or to allow us to have value added trade chips as we build a winner. However, ….QUESTION…., how do we do this now considering the cap floor requirements?

"Forget about style; worry about results."
Bobby Orr

by Caniac233 on Dec 14, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Salary swap.

Maybe two guys (LaRose and Jokinen for example) for one overpaid expiring contract (Olli Jokinen or Alex Semin) to match the money but open a slot. Not saying it would happen, but it’s what would have to be done.

by The Gottfather on Dec 14, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they’d have to take on a big contract that someone else wants out of, a reverse of what JR did with Kabs. If JR did do that, we’d likely have another underachiever and only room for one young gun to come up.

by Hockeydog on Dec 14, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

We can open up a spot without dropping below the salary cap floor. LaRose or Poni or Stewart or Brent could be traded for a mid-round draft pick and a prospect brought up to replace them and we would still be above the cap floor. For example; if LaRose (who has the largest contract of those 4) were traded for a pick and Dalpe was brought up to replace him, the salary cap difference would be around $825K and would leave us above the cap floor.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a plan to me!

by Hockeydog on Dec 14, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I really think it is time for either Larose or Dwyer to go…I think Larose makes more and does not have the skill of Dwyer so I would suggest him first. They are similar players and even though Dwyer is current on first line is not a skilled foreword but more of a D and effort guy like Larose.

by dbaerry34 on Dec 14, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I would disagree. LaRose works his butt off and I think he can be a solid 3rd liner with Sutter. The guy works hard and is capable of being a pest on the ice.

by Franklnc on Dec 14, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I like LaRose on the 3rd or 4th line, but not in the top 6. He is really a 4th liner that could fill in due to injury, but the Canes are always going to overslot players, so he would be a 3rd liner on our team. But if I were trading either him or Dwyer, I would trade Chad; save that extra $1 million+ next season and with other money, put it toward a player that could really help increase the talent level around here.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

yep I agree.. I too like Chads fight and work, but for the $ other players can do it for less and that money going too a top 6 player.

by dbaerry34 on Dec 14, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The LaRose Dilemma

There are two almost opposite ways to look at LaRose: (1) highly motivated, great guy in lockerroom, overachiever, pesky guy, all heart or (2) offensively challenged as a passer or sniper, takes poor penalties, puck chasing, out of position, positionally poor defensively, over-paid fourth line, small forward. LaRose is on for a career year of nearly 20 goals.

I don’t see any justification for putting LaRose in the top six. I also have no doubt that in terms of skills, the Hurricanes have better choices available in terms of bigger, faster, more skilled forwards. How do the intangibles and loyalty factor in? That is where Hockey as an art and not a science takes over.

by abramsdoug on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That's easy
QUESTION…., how do we do this now considering the cap floor requirements?

Press box. Rotate who sits….

…we gotta pay em to maintain minimum salary anyways. Who says they have to play? Make them earn it. Give the prospects a shot, rotate who sits.

by Squeaky83 on Dec 14, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember the roster has a max of 23 players. So you can only call up & sit so many.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Too many stick checks throughout, not enough body checks

…and I’d like to see more bodies in the crease; early in the first, sutter dug a puck out of the corner and threw a gorgeous backhand pass right in front of the net. unfortunately, the only one there was a Leaf, our guys were peeled-off up high or somewhere else. oh well.

Cam bounced back in a big way, he was fun to watch. Staal is doing nothing to impress lately, as talented as he is I would not be opposed to sending him packing for a total rebuild.

Noticed Bowman looking a bit lost in his own end, only time I noticed him.

Great timeout by Captain Kirk just prior to 3rd period powerplay which then clicked. Nice.

Overtime, if we had just challenged the shooter as he entered the zone he wouldn’t have gotten off that cannon blast. No idea why defense keeps backpeddling 1-on-1 so often.

LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!

by Capt. Stinky on Dec 14, 2011 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, I hate that our defensemen are so quick to back peddle when it seems like that can clearly win the puck.

Another thing I’ve noticed. When Toronto would take a hard shot and miss, there always seemed to be a defenseman at the opposite point ready to keep the rebound in. When we take a hard shot and miss our defensemen are no where around to keep the puck in, creating a break out for the other team.

by CanesFanFromLI on Dec 14, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree STinky—it’s what I commented on above—we’re not realy giving true NHL effort. We’re playing, but not at 100%.

by Squeaky83 on Dec 14, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Revived McBain

McBain has looked good the last few games, seems more confident, maybe the coaching change is working for him. Sure he still makes mistakes, but he’s still young, don’t they say it takes longer for a good defensman to develop. I would not trade Jamie.

On the other hand Gleason seems to have peaked, he’s not as good as he was a couple of years ago. I would trade him if we can get some value back.

by CanesFanFromLI on Dec 14, 2011 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

How can an NHL defenseman like McBain get this far without being able to body check. I can’t remember one occasion when he used his body rather than his stick.

by rmmeli on Dec 14, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Tripp was saying that McBain was one of our better players last night and it seems that some of you agree. I am just not seeing it. Over the past couple of games he has made some very good offensive plays, but he has been bad in his own zone. When someone is skating toward him, he fumbles the puck like a rookie in his first game. He is still young, but I’m just not seeing the progression from him that I would like. Maybe I’m wrong, but he seems like a 3rd pairing & PP guy and that is about it.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I am not seeing it either. Agree with your assessment of him. He doesn’t need to be a hitter, just put a body on someone.

by Hockeydog on Dec 14, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

McBain McSucks

plays waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too wimpy in his own end

LET'S GO CANES -- THE SEASON AIN'T OVER YET!!!

by Capt. Stinky on Dec 14, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Frankly, I think he sucks and should be in the AHL.

by hurricane9 on Dec 14, 2011 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Funny, I thought Jokinen was a healthy scratch for the past two months until he got an assist on the powerplay last night.

I know this team is void of talent for the most part but it’d br be nice if someone like Jokinen could step up and make something happen 5 on 5, he has been MIA all season.

"I'm not going to waste my time with Tuukka Rask" - Cam Ward

by anonymousJ on Dec 14, 2011 9:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Jussi was playing well earlier in the year before he was injured. When he came back he wasn’t playing with Skinner, but he does need to step it up.

by CanesFanFromLI on Dec 14, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Comparing to other NHL teams

The roster we sent out there last night was completely overmatched by Toronto. Two injuries have really shown just how talent-poor this roster is. Here is my take on where these guys would be on an average NHL team and where they were on our last night – in parentheses.

Staal – 1st (1st) He has not played like a 1st liner this season, but I still think he is one.
Tlusty – 4th (1st) I like Tlusty on on 3rd, but he would be a 4th on most teams.
Dwyer – 4th (1st) He’s a great utility guy, but really shouldn’t touch the top 6.
Jussi – 2nd (2nd) Some might consider less than a 2nd liner.
Poni – 3rd (2nd) Poni is probably a 3rd that when on could play on the 2nd.
Ruutu – 2nd (2nd) Solid 2nd line player that JR hopes is a 1st liner.
Sutter – 3rd (3rd) Solid 3rd line & PK center. He may become a 2nd with more offense.
Bowman – 4th (3rd) He should become a 3rd liner, but he isn’t at this point.
LaRose – 4th (3rd) He could probably play 3rd, but 4th is where he really excels.
Brent – 4th (4th) He is what he is, but I was expecting a better FO guy.
Nodl – 4th (4th) He played well and has speed, maybe he could eventually be more.
Stewart – 4th (4th) The hope was more than what he actually brings every game.
Spacek – #5 (#2) A 5 D-Man on most teams, we have him playing in our top pairing.
Faulk – #5 (#1) He will be more, but he’s mostly overmatched this early in his career.
Gleason – #4 (#3) Gleason would still probably be in most teams top 4.
McBain – #6 (#4) McBain is an offensive specialist, he is not a top 4 defenseman.
Allen – #5 (#5) Allen is a physical player, but that’s about it.
Joslin #7 (#6) It’s questionable if Joslin would even play on most NHL teams.

So we have 1-1st liner, 2-2nd liners, 3-3rd liners, 7-4th liners, 1-2nd pairing defenseman, and 5-3rd pairing defensemen. It’s amazing we actually even got a point on of last night’s game.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

I mostly agree except of Jussi and Ru.. I am just saying this years performance would be more like 3rd line

by dbaerry34 on Dec 14, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Peters

Anyone ever get an understanding as to why we put Peters through waivers? With Murphy already with the team, I just didn’t understand why they’d risk exposing Peters to the waiver wire.

by Caniac1026 on Dec 14, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

They want Murphy to play every night, Peters had to clear waivers in order to be called up as Cam’s back up.

by Hockeydog on Dec 14, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand this move either. Sounds very risky. I believe they are going to lose him.

by Franklnc on Dec 14, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

right, but is that worth potentially losing Peters?
I wonder if Boucher’s injury is worse than they’re letting on – it’s the only thing I can figure.

by Caniac1026 on Dec 14, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, A little surprised they cut Murphy from the Canadian WJ Team.

by Go_Shelf on Dec 14, 2011 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Last night in 60 seconds

Better than the last game.

Puck support much better that I have seen recently.

McBain was uncomfortable with the puck in the early stage of the game and also a bit in the 3rd period but had a good game in the middle part of the game.

Jussi played better that in the last 3 or 4 games. Great improvement but not himself yet.

Spacek is a keeper for the rest of the year. Ideal guy for young D-men to learn from.

Staal was a beast on the puck then would disappear, then come back, then disappear……..sort of a split personality last night. Great past to Poni!

Dwyer has my vote for most improved and I see improvement every game, although he has lapses like everyone else his is trending up! Love his speed.

Sutter gets my vote for most valuable player on the teams along with Skinner so far. He leaves it on the ice every game and plays beyond his ability (the old 110% effort).

Faulk plays much beyond his years and I am glad we have him.

Conditioning is still an issue……run the stairs boys! Funny, this has not been an issue with Cane teams in the past.

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC

by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Conditioning is still an issue……run the stairs boys! Funny, this has not been an issue with Cane teams in the past.

Because in the past, we played a slow type of game. The only player that would get gased is Staal, because he would play 24 minutes a night. :)

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

No not exactly………with Lavi, the Cane team back then could run most of the other teams ragged in the 3rd period. The Canes owned 3rd periods back then. That was an up-tempo game for sure. Conditioning was clearly one reason why that happened. This team seems a couple of notches lower in their overall conditioning……but maybe I am just seeing things.

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC

by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I was poking fun at Maurice’s style of play.

"We've got to risk implosion. We may explode into the biggest fireball this part of the galaxy has seen, but we've got to take that one in a million chance."
-- Captain Kirk in Star Trek 'The Naked Time'

by PackPride17 on Dec 14, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry……I was “slow” on the up-take on that one………good one!

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tzu circa 4th Century BC

by hurricanefever on Dec 14, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

That was years ago though. Conditioning changes easily. And remember, the coaching staff works with the trainers to organize the teams fitness program to fit their system. Maurice likely put more emphasis on strength than conditioning.

by hurricane9 on Dec 14, 2011 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

canes dont bop anybody.. play more like girls just wanna have fun.

by dbaerry34 on Dec 14, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

I guess they have shown their true colors

by Hockeydog on Dec 14, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

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